| EU referendum 11:27 - May 26 with 5422 views | burnsieespana |
Don't want to know your views but only, is it your plan to vote on the 23rd of June? |  | | |  |
| EU referendum on 14:34 - Jun 24 with 997 views | burnsieespana |
I voted to remain and feel incredibly shocked, dismayed and depressed about the result to leave the EU, something I have, for 50 years believed to be the right place for us to be.
As said above democracy has not spoken because if we carry the logic through Scotland has the "right" for another referendum because the so called democracy has not served them or N I.
Somehow I doubt many who voted for out understand what is ahead of them and suspect in two years they will regret casting a vote in the way they did.
My big fear is the racialist inclination of so many attached to the leave group and these people now have the field. Going forward this will become an increasing problem in our society. | | | |
| EU referendum on 14:38 - Jun 24 with 994 views | thrillseeker |
The one thing that has really annoyed today is hearing the 27 remaining EU countries in view of the result are going to reform the EU. Why reform now? If they had reformed earlier then there would have been no need for the referendum
The above really is moving the goal posts to ensure the EU remains happy.
Now the result is known WE all (regardless of who you voted for) must pull together to ensure we do not suffer
I am concerned but now the decision has been made I will work at making it a success.
I am worried for my children (8 & 5 years old) as they have long lives ahead [Post edited 24 Jun 2016 14:40]
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| EU referendum on 14:52 - Jun 24 with 984 views | Moor_Pinot |
Think you're probably right Burnsie - lots of voters voted on one issue and have no idea of the width of the outcome.
Here in deepest France have already been subjected to the 'when are you going back you're not wanted here' response. Oh well.
Britain has made a momentous decision - of that there's absolutely no doubt. |  |
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| EU referendum on 16:40 - Jun 24 with 969 views | jonestones |
| EU referendum on 14:34 - Jun 24 by burnsieespana |
I voted to remain and feel incredibly shocked, dismayed and depressed about the result to leave the EU, something I have, for 50 years believed to be the right place for us to be.
As said above democracy has not spoken because if we carry the logic through Scotland has the "right" for another referendum because the so called democracy has not served them or N I.
Somehow I doubt many who voted for out understand what is ahead of them and suspect in two years they will regret casting a vote in the way they did.
My big fear is the racialist inclination of so many attached to the leave group and these people now have the field. Going forward this will become an increasing problem in our society. |
"Somehow I doubt many who voted for out understand what is ahead of them and suspect in two years they will regret casting a vote in the way they did.
My big fear is the racialist inclination of so many attached to the leave group and these people now have the field."
I agree with Burnsie.
I am very proud to be English. But today I feel... well ...slightly embarrassed. Not because of my nationality, but because of the decision we have just taken. I hope I am wrong, but I also think we will live to regret this.
I was brought up to believe that we are a multicultural, inclusive country. Now I'm not so sure. |  | | |
| EU referendum on 17:25 - Jun 24 with 953 views | pwrightsknees |
I'll keep to my word and not engage in political debate on this forum. But in view of comments, may I say that those who know me, and are aware of my 43 years of campaigning against our membership of EU in its several forms, will confirm that I am not a "Little Englander", "wrapped in the flag", a racist (definitely not), a dinosaur, or a bigot. | | | |
| EU referendum on 17:54 - Jun 24 with 945 views | TheOldOakTree |
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| EU referendum on 18:01 - Jun 24 with 934 views | pwrightsknees |
| EU referendum on 17:54 - Jun 24 by TheOldOakTree |
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Everyone is entitled to cast their one vote. By the way, I was only 25, myself, when I started my campaign. [Post edited 24 Jun 2016 18:08]
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| EU referendum on 18:14 - Jun 24 with 924 views | durham_exile |
| EU referendum on 14:34 - Jun 24 by burnsieespana |
I voted to remain and feel incredibly shocked, dismayed and depressed about the result to leave the EU, something I have, for 50 years believed to be the right place for us to be.
As said above democracy has not spoken because if we carry the logic through Scotland has the "right" for another referendum because the so called democracy has not served them or N I.
Somehow I doubt many who voted for out understand what is ahead of them and suspect in two years they will regret casting a vote in the way they did.
My big fear is the racialist inclination of so many attached to the leave group and these people now have the field. Going forward this will become an increasing problem in our society. |
Here in the darkest North, my families Remain vote was outnumbered by the BREXIT hoards.
I share other contributors' views that many people will regret their voting direction in the cold light of day.
I am also concerned that with 27 nations the EU now has twice as many countries as our beloved COL U has players; Edwards the latest to defect.
Up the isolationists and the dwindling U's |  |
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| EU referendum on 18:25 - Jun 24 with 918 views | Leadbelly |
| EU referendum on 17:25 - Jun 24 by pwrightsknees |
I'll keep to my word and not engage in political debate on this forum. But in view of comments, may I say that those who know me, and are aware of my 43 years of campaigning against our membership of EU in its several forms, will confirm that I am not a "Little Englander", "wrapped in the flag", a racist (definitely not), a dinosaur, or a bigot. |
PWK,
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I have no doubt you are not a Little Englander or a racist. Unfortunately, many of those voting to leave are and their support for Brexit has absolutely nothing to do with democracy.
Farage and Trump now joined by Putin in congratulating the UK in voting to leave. An odious trio of right wing figures whose opinions have little to do with democracy either. | |
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| EU referendum on 18:38 - Jun 24 with 914 views | jonestones |
| EU referendum on 17:54 - Jun 24 by TheOldOakTree |
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Well put, I whole heartedly agree.
This was a point I tried to explain to someone at work today. Their response was to talk about 'bloody immigrants...' and 'we've got our country back'.
I think they then went off to go and get the grand wizard white pointy hat.
The world has gone mad. | | | |
| EU referendum on 18:39 - Jun 24 with 913 views | jonestones |
I'm obviously joking about the pointy hat bit. | | | |
| EU referendum on 19:08 - Jun 24 with 902 views | pwrightsknees |
| EU referendum on 18:25 - Jun 24 by Leadbelly |
PWK,
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I have no doubt you are not a Little Englander or a racist. Unfortunately, many of those voting to leave are and their support for Brexit has absolutely nothing to do with democracy.
Farage and Trump now joined by Putin in congratulating the UK in voting to leave. An odious trio of right wing figures whose opinions have little to do with democracy either. |
LB. You make good points.
I'll start with a confession. I've never been a member of any political party, but about 12 years ago and in exasperation of the main political parties who were all kow-towing to their European masters, I volunteered to deliver leaflets on behalf of a fledgling UKIP party. That was before the present unpleasant regime took over. I will have nothing to do with UKIP today, I promise.
But this is the problem. My stance, and those with my kindred spirits, who want us to run our own affairs (NATO and the UN are excused from that comment) without the interference of unelected bureaucrats, has been hi-jacked by nasty racists, xenophobes et al.
But I will not give in. I have my own convictions, and I will not be tarnished by, or associated with, the nasty lot because of my beliefs. | | | |
| EU referendum on 19:11 - Jun 24 with 902 views | TheOldOakTree |
| EU referendum on 18:38 - Jun 24 by jonestones |
Well put, I whole heartedly agree.
This was a point I tried to explain to someone at work today. Their response was to talk about 'bloody immigrants...' and 'we've got our country back'.
I think they then went off to go and get the grand wizard white pointy hat.
The world has gone mad. |
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| EU referendum on 19:49 - Jun 24 with 887 views | Leadbelly |
| EU referendum on 19:08 - Jun 24 by pwrightsknees |
LB. You make good points.
I'll start with a confession. I've never been a member of any political party, but about 12 years ago and in exasperation of the main political parties who were all kow-towing to their European masters, I volunteered to deliver leaflets on behalf of a fledgling UKIP party. That was before the present unpleasant regime took over. I will have nothing to do with UKIP today, I promise.
But this is the problem. My stance, and those with my kindred spirits, who want us to run our own affairs (NATO and the UN are excused from that comment) without the interference of unelected bureaucrats, has been hi-jacked by nasty racists, xenophobes et al.
But I will not give in. I have my own convictions, and I will not be tarnished by, or associated with, the nasty lot because of my beliefs. |
And nor should you be. It is such a pity that the entire campaign , on both sides, was so focused on the negatives rather than the positives and appealing to the lowest common denominator much of the time. This is a better way of doing things and I really hope future campaigns focus on an intelligent debate of the facts rather than the lies and aggression we have seen of late. | |
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| EU referendum on 17:41 - Jun 25 with 837 views | noah4x4 |
I fear that the folly of the leave vote is that I can't see any future possibility of the UK participating in any European Union wide opportunities if we don't/won't subscribe to the free movement of labour required for such initiatives. If we intend to be a parochial village, why should they let US in if we choose to legislate to keep THEM out?
Continental Europe employs many skilled British people earning revenue and taxes for OUR economy. I had a consultancy contract in Poland as long ago as 1993 and another in Eire faciitated because of a common desire to harmonise tricky cross-border regulations that then prevented certain trade agreements between our countries. The EU resolved these issues. But why should they offer our people such opportunities in future? It's a miracle we achieved anything in the past whilst driving on the wrong side of the road.
Yes, we can obviously do some deals with individual countries, but I fear on the big issues like steel, energy, aerospace, food production, financial services, transport, law, climate change, waste disposal, we will fast become isolated. Then when overseas banks relocate from London and investors turn their backs on us will the Yanks bail us out this time? Give it three weeks when petrol rises 4p a litre and one's shopping basket increases by 10% then half the leave vote will want to change their minds. Then when forecasts of higher inflation result in interest rate changes, higher mortgage costs that will wipe off even more smiles. Thankfully I no longer have debt, but I have seen my pension fund crash by 4%. I have never felt this despondent even after three consecutive relegation battles. [Post edited 25 Jun 2016 17:43]
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| EU referendum on 21:40 - Jun 25 with 674 views | durham_exile |
| EU referendum on 17:41 - Jun 25 by noah4x4 |
I fear that the folly of the leave vote is that I can't see any future possibility of the UK participating in any European Union wide opportunities if we don't/won't subscribe to the free movement of labour required for such initiatives. If we intend to be a parochial village, why should they let US in if we choose to legislate to keep THEM out?
Continental Europe employs many skilled British people earning revenue and taxes for OUR economy. I had a consultancy contract in Poland as long ago as 1993 and another in Eire faciitated because of a common desire to harmonise tricky cross-border regulations that then prevented certain trade agreements between our countries. The EU resolved these issues. But why should they offer our people such opportunities in future? It's a miracle we achieved anything in the past whilst driving on the wrong side of the road.
Yes, we can obviously do some deals with individual countries, but I fear on the big issues like steel, energy, aerospace, food production, financial services, transport, law, climate change, waste disposal, we will fast become isolated. Then when overseas banks relocate from London and investors turn their backs on us will the Yanks bail us out this time? Give it three weeks when petrol rises 4p a litre and one's shopping basket increases by 10% then half the leave vote will want to change their minds. Then when forecasts of higher inflation result in interest rate changes, higher mortgage costs that will wipe off even more smiles. Thankfully I no longer have debt, but I have seen my pension fund crash by 4%. I have never felt this despondent even after three consecutive relegation battles. [Post edited 25 Jun 2016 17:43]
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Noah, four consecutive relegation battles and sadly we lost the last one!
It is interesting to note that a petition with 1.5 million signatures has been asking for a second referendum. What then happens if we vote remain. Do we then have a best of three referendum contest. What a farce this is and what a laughing stock we will fast become. Grim times indeed.
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| EU referendum on 22:40 - Jun 25 with 662 views | pwrightsknees |
| EU referendum on 21:40 - Jun 25 by durham_exile |
Noah, four consecutive relegation battles and sadly we lost the last one!
It is interesting to note that a petition with 1.5 million signatures has been asking for a second referendum. What then happens if we vote remain. Do we then have a best of three referendum contest. What a farce this is and what a laughing stock we will fast become. Grim times indeed.
Up the U's |
If I understand it correctly, the referendum is not legally binding, and is advisory only. I believe that it has to be ratified by Parliament, and we know that the SNP MPs will vote against. | | | |
| EU referendum on 09:35 - Jun 26 with 645 views | bwildered |
You are correct PWK, only quarter of all cross party MP's wanted to Brexit . However those who do not ratify the views of their constituency will be no doubt unelected soon rather than later .
We were never Europeans, with the words veto and opt out regular words in debates for years to protect our interests, and with even more countries joining in future our views are / were less likely to be in the majority of the rest .
The older generation remember those who sacrificed lives for democracy and gave us the gift be governed by ourselves . |  |
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| EU referendum on 11:24 - Jun 26 with 631 views | TheOldOakTree |
| EU referendum on 09:35 - Jun 26 by bwildered |
You are correct PWK, only quarter of all cross party MP's wanted to Brexit . However those who do not ratify the views of their constituency will be no doubt unelected soon rather than later .
We were never Europeans, with the words veto and opt out regular words in debates for years to protect our interests, and with even more countries joining in future our views are / were less likely to be in the majority of the rest .
The older generation remember those who sacrificed lives for democracy and gave us the gift be governed by ourselves . |
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| EU referendum on 13:57 - Jun 26 with 610 views | bwildered |
People who have dementia, hypocrite, live in cuckoo land, parasite, racist and stupid ? Did you miss anyone else except ..... | |
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| EU referendum on 15:16 - Jun 26 with 605 views | TheOldOakTree |
| EU referendum on 13:57 - Jun 26 by bwildered |
People who have dementia, hypocrite, live in cuckoo land, parasite, racist and stupid ? Did you miss anyone else except ..... |
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| EU referendum on 17:09 - Jun 26 with 587 views | TheOldOakTree |
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| EU referendum on 18:36 - Jun 26 with 570 views | jonestones |
| EU referendum on 17:59 - Jun 26 by gerry_us |
A well considered response Sir.  |
It's hard to always be well considered Gerry, when your whole livelihood and job security seems to be at threat. I may not be suggesting that you wave a flag, but I do have alot of sympathy for TOOT's point of view.
It is a worrying time. HSBC has already said it is likely to move 1,000 jobs to Paris and I have friends in accounting that have claimed that if we lose EU passporting then financial services in this country will become redunant, which would result in the loss of 10s of thousands of job loses.
It just seems to me that we have taken a massive risk with our countries future economic prosperity and our younger generations opportunities and security, without really thinking it through. Boris and Gove seem to have gone very quiet. What is the plan? where are the leaders that we desperately need? We don't even seem to have a plan A let alone a plan B.
Worring times indeed. | | | |
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