| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE 13:32 - Jul 25 with 1910 views | gh_mcfc |
Hi Guys - Please see attached - your clicks of support via the webpage/facebook will help. please share. ( a QPR fan has put there name to the case as well as a City Fan)
https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforfans
Http://fairplayfc.org
Press release: Football fans launch legal challenge to Financial Fair Play
25/07/2014 – Football fans — from France, Belgium and England — have filed a complaint with the European Commission arguing that the “requirement for break even” imposed by UEFA in its Financial Fair Play regulations contravenes European Union (EU) fundamental freedoms, including the right to free competition.
At the same time, the supporters have also joined the proceedings initiated by the player agent Daniel STRIANI before the Court of First Instance in Brussels which make the same case before the court of violations of EU law. In this process, the Belgian judge is being asked to refer the case to the European Court of Justice, thereby enabling the EU’s supreme court to rule on the legality of the UEFA regulation.
The fans are acting primarily in their capacity as consumers of products offered by football clubs and argue that:
- The UEFA rule creates a “oligopoleague” comprising a few clubs which are better established and, therefore, in practice, condemning — forever — all other clubs to “supporting roles”; and
- Since the contributions of owners are now restricted, the economic pressure on supporters is inevitably expected to increase.
It should be recalled that the ultimate function of EU competition law is consumer protection.
Among the complainants is Louis SMAL, a former Belgian senator and former president of the Standard Liege football club supporters’ association.
Commenting on the UEFA rule, Mr SMAL said “it is a double punishment for major clubs in small countries who have been first penalized by the small size of their domestic market (which is the area of economic life imposed on them by the statutes of UEFA), and now see themselves deprived of a possible source of investment (i.e. the equity of their owners) and therefore potential sporting growth, thereby discouraging any prospective buyer from undertaking any ambitious plans”.
Complainants’ supporters insist that the UEFA regulation not only harms the supporters from the few clubs recently sanctioned by UEFA but fans of all clubs, with the exception of a few top European clubs which form the current elite .
The position of the fans is supported by many economic and legal commentators who have forcefully argued that UEFA’s rule and its adverse effects contravene EU law. These commentators have also clearly established that several alternatives to the existing Uefa rule are available, such alternatives being both more efficient and more respectful of EU Law (for more details, see Note to Editors).
Moreover, the French and Belgian complainants’ supporters have turned to social media to set out their opposition to Financial Fair Play. On a dedicated Facebook page, they make the case that “under the friendly name of ‘Financial Fair Play’, the UEFA rule is nothing other than a ban on investment which encourages the path from an open to a closed league system”. For more information on the supporters Facebook page, please go to: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Supporters-against-the-financial-fair-play/735451
For their part, the complainants’ English fans have created a website setting out their opposition, arguing that “UEFA Financial Fair Play Fair is the single most ridiculous initiative in sport of all time”. For more information, please go to
http://Fairplayfc.org
The complainants are represented by Jean-Louis Dupont (Barcelona Bar, Spain) and by Martin Hissel (Eupen Bar, Belgium).
On behalf of the complainants,
JL DUPONT
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 13:53 - Jul 25 with 1838 views | Tonto |
how sad.
I would hope that most fans would support FFP, not launch legal action against it. |  |
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 13:55 - Jul 25 with 1835 views | MoonshineSteve |
I don't see this. |  |
| I am still Steve but no longer in Dagenham. |
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 14:10 - Jul 25 with 1804 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 13:53 - Jul 25 by Tonto |
how sad.
I would hope that most fans would support FFP, not launch legal action against it. |
Why support FFP when it protects the elite clubs of Europe. Also makes the governing bodies millions in the process. Funny how the punishment for clubs in debt is to push them into further debt. Couldn't they have imposed a points deduction. Oh sorry I forgot, there's no money to be made in points deductions. |  | | |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 14:25 - Jul 25 with 1768 views | Juzzie |
It's a real double-edged sword.
Something has got to be done to curb the massive overspending with clubs operating on things like 115%+ (or probably 200-300% in the likes of City and maybe Chelsea) of income with the difference being offset by the owners meaning clubs with sugar daddies (QPR included) can just outspend everyone else.
This though is not breaking any rules or laws and nor is it confined to just the PL. Lower league clubs like Crawley and I think Fleetwod Town were being subsidised by allowing the owners to out-spend their divisonal rivals. Same with us, Leicester etc in the Championship.
However, all FFP does is make the already strong clubs even stronger. Especially those with 40,000+ fans every home game who can draw in more income than anyone with less than 25k grounds.
Man Utd with 70k+ home gates and massive global income will always be able to out-compete every other club if everyone spends within their income.
Other bigs clubs like Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea will be very close behind.
This just creates, what I think we already have, a Premier League that is a divison of 4 sub-divisions;
The top 4
Those pushing for a Europa League place
Mid-lower table mediocrity
Those fighting against relegation
Either way, the existing big clubs win.
We finished 5th in 1992, the first season of the Premiership. Spending 'normally' and able to compete against the so-called big clubs. Those days are gone. It would take spending of a massive amount to get a club like QPR to finish 5th again.
Other clubs like Oldham, Luton, Oxford, Wimbledon etc also held their own for a while. Can't see that ever happening again.
English football is fked, has been for 20 years.
Thanks Sky, Thanks FA.
Cnts.
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 14:51 - Jul 25 with 1698 views | EastR |
Ask yourself this question: where in the eyes of the regulatory mechanisms FA, UEFA, UK or EU legislation are the rights granted to supporters as stakeholders in football clubs?
Beyond the few membership models of ownership that exist, the answer is: nowhere. Fans have no rights.
But the fans are the ones with the most vested interest in the sustainability of their clubs. FPP on it’s own is not the solution to that.
There is a minority, but powerful, club elite that want to see FPP as a protection to the status quo.
Who should be fighting it? - Everyone outside of that cartel.
And the argument against FPP is a relatively easy one to make in terms of it’s potential illegality, mostly on the basis that it is contrary to the principle of an open market. | |
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 14:58 - Jul 25 with 1675 views | R_from_afar |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 14:25 - Jul 25 by Juzzie |
It's a real double-edged sword.
Something has got to be done to curb the massive overspending with clubs operating on things like 115%+ (or probably 200-300% in the likes of City and maybe Chelsea) of income with the difference being offset by the owners meaning clubs with sugar daddies (QPR included) can just outspend everyone else.
This though is not breaking any rules or laws and nor is it confined to just the PL. Lower league clubs like Crawley and I think Fleetwod Town were being subsidised by allowing the owners to out-spend their divisonal rivals. Same with us, Leicester etc in the Championship.
However, all FFP does is make the already strong clubs even stronger. Especially those with 40,000+ fans every home game who can draw in more income than anyone with less than 25k grounds.
Man Utd with 70k+ home gates and massive global income will always be able to out-compete every other club if everyone spends within their income.
Other bigs clubs like Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea will be very close behind.
This just creates, what I think we already have, a Premier League that is a divison of 4 sub-divisions;
The top 4
Those pushing for a Europa League place
Mid-lower table mediocrity
Those fighting against relegation
Either way, the existing big clubs win.
We finished 5th in 1992, the first season of the Premiership. Spending 'normally' and able to compete against the so-called big clubs. Those days are gone. It would take spending of a massive amount to get a club like QPR to finish 5th again.
Other clubs like Oldham, Luton, Oxford, Wimbledon etc also held their own for a while. Can't see that ever happening again.
English football is fked, has been for 20 years.
Thanks Sky, Thanks FA.
Cnts.
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"However, all FFP does is make the already strong clubs even stronger. Especially those with 40,000+ fans every home game who can draw in more income than anyone with less than 25k grounds".
This is such an important point. The current rules pander to those clubs which are already sitting pretty in large stadia and there are many clubs who are disadvantaged by it far more than us. If you are Bournemouth or Yeovil, you have something like one quarter of the matchday income of many, many clubs.
I am in favour of a salary cap instead.
RFA |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 15:13 - Jul 25 with 1640 views | blacky200 |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 14:58 - Jul 25 by R_from_afar |
"However, all FFP does is make the already strong clubs even stronger. Especially those with 40,000+ fans every home game who can draw in more income than anyone with less than 25k grounds".
This is such an important point. The current rules pander to those clubs which are already sitting pretty in large stadia and there are many clubs who are disadvantaged by it far more than us. If you are Bournemouth or Yeovil, you have something like one quarter of the matchday income of many, many clubs.
I am in favour of a salary cap instead.
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A salary cap will only work if it is capped at a figure not a percentage and is worldwide. Personally I think it should be allowed that owners can spend what they like but debt can not be added to the club. So if an owner wants to spend £100 million on players and wages they have to pay for it and can not load that onto the club. |  | | |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 16:21 - Jul 25 with 1526 views | Antti_Heinola |
Easiest way on earth to level the playing field, restrict the stockpiling of players etc. stop this ludicrous rule of 7 matchday subs. It only benefits the biggest clubs. 3 on the bench, all can be used. Sorted. |  |
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 16:47 - Jul 25 with 1492 views | pomanjou |
Stop all loans. You sign em, they are yours to play for you, no one else.
Allow four subs only, all may play. |  |
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 17:02 - Jul 25 with 1473 views | DWQPR |
Also stop the restriction of squad numbers. We will never be able to have the same number of available players that are of a certain quality as the bigger clubs who steal good talent and rack and stack them. Raheem Sterling is the perfect example as due to his age he does not form part of the Liverpool 25 for the forthcoming season. The only way FFP could ever work is for the equal distribution of wealth created by each club in the Prem. And that is never going to happen. | |
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 20:03 - Jul 25 with 1348 views | davman |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 14:25 - Jul 25 by Juzzie |
It's a real double-edged sword.
Something has got to be done to curb the massive overspending with clubs operating on things like 115%+ (or probably 200-300% in the likes of City and maybe Chelsea) of income with the difference being offset by the owners meaning clubs with sugar daddies (QPR included) can just outspend everyone else.
This though is not breaking any rules or laws and nor is it confined to just the PL. Lower league clubs like Crawley and I think Fleetwod Town were being subsidised by allowing the owners to out-spend their divisonal rivals. Same with us, Leicester etc in the Championship.
However, all FFP does is make the already strong clubs even stronger. Especially those with 40,000+ fans every home game who can draw in more income than anyone with less than 25k grounds.
Man Utd with 70k+ home gates and massive global income will always be able to out-compete every other club if everyone spends within their income.
Other bigs clubs like Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea will be very close behind.
This just creates, what I think we already have, a Premier League that is a divison of 4 sub-divisions;
The top 4
Those pushing for a Europa League place
Mid-lower table mediocrity
Those fighting against relegation
Either way, the existing big clubs win.
We finished 5th in 1992, the first season of the Premiership. Spending 'normally' and able to compete against the so-called big clubs. Those days are gone. It would take spending of a massive amount to get a club like QPR to finish 5th again.
Other clubs like Oldham, Luton, Oxford, Wimbledon etc also held their own for a while. Can't see that ever happening again.
English football is fked, has been for 20 years.
Thanks Sky, Thanks FA.
Cnts.
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Exactly this.
Also, why not insist that owners / sugar daddies *invest* instead of loan money? If they want to give money over, fine, but just don't ask for it back anytime soon...
It is loaning the money that kills clubs like us. If money was actually invested / given then I couldn't see a problem... |  |
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 20:33 - Jul 25 with 1316 views | QPR_John |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 13:53 - Jul 25 by Tonto |
how sad.
I would hope that most fans would support FFP, not launch legal action against it. |
None of us really know the consequences of FFP and your view is as good as mine. If FFP is legal then we will without doubt return to the level when I started supporting this great club but without the dream. The third tier is the best we could hope for. There are a myriad of clubs currently below us, Wolves, Leeds, Forest, both Sheffield clubs for example who will slowly but surely overtake us simply based on size of ground and thus income. Where will 18000 maximum get us and while the cost of a new stadium I believe is allowed who would take the gamble. FFP is just the next step on the road that allowed teams to keep all home receipts, allowed teams to steal young players from teams like us, the introduction of the Premier League and so on. Many clubs are now bigger than the association they play under not to mention EUFA and FIFA, FFP has been introduced to keep those clubs happy so they will not break away. It is difficult to compete now,
under FFP for clubs like ours it will be the case will the last person to leave switch the lights out [Post edited 25 Jul 2014 20:50]
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 07:34 - Jul 26 with 1168 views | wood_hoop |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 20:03 - Jul 25 by davman |
Exactly this.
Also, why not insist that owners / sugar daddies *invest* instead of loan money? If they want to give money over, fine, but just don't ask for it back anytime soon...
It is loaning the money that kills clubs like us. If money was actually invested / given then I couldn't see a problem... |
This will never happen, the sport is corrupt financially and moraly from top to bottom, the FFP does nothing but pay a lip service to the few who really decry what has happened to the game, it is nothing but plain out and out criminality what has happened to the sport in the last couple of decades.
The FA in England the so called guardians of the sport are longer run by a bunch of 'cricket lovers' but a motely crew who haven't the faintest idea of how to improve the leagues, the national team or the standards at the grass roots of the game.
The Premeir League has one interest only, to make pots of money, they don't on the whole have any interest in the smaller clubs, they are there to make up the numbers, if they could get away with a twleve team league al la the Scottish top league they would install it in a flash, memebership based on size of stadium, fan base and how much more they could fleece out of the supporter.
QPR v Burnley has about as much attraction as a dose of the clap to them, Man Utd v Man City four times a season , oh so much better for selling the game to all and sundry around the world, there in lies the reason why the game in this country has gone to the dogs, global coverage has all but killed the 'local' interest for many clubs, our game was built on this, a Londoner supporting some Northern club that has a 'big' team in the city, unheard of a few decades back, Man Utd being the only exception, that does not include those that have connections via family etc, how the fcu* can some one from West London support Liverpool ?
The fans of the game have absolutely no input whatsoever in the game any more, the chairman may glad hand a few fans, even buy a round at the local ale house, PR stunts and nothing else, interest is making as much money as is possible and if that consists of the audience mainly being from everywhere but its origins so much easier to make a few bob. |  | | |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 11:20 - Jul 26 with 1091 views | hoopstilidie |
Make any debts liable to the owners and not the club, same as profits are.
If somebody wants to go into a club and throw his personal fortune at it let him. |  |
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 11:27 - Jul 26 with 1088 views | Hunterhoop |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 16:21 - Jul 25 by Antti_Heinola |
Easiest way on earth to level the playing field, restrict the stockpiling of players etc. stop this ludicrous rule of 7 matchday subs. It only benefits the biggest clubs. 3 on the bench, all can be used. Sorted. |
That is a fantastic, simple, easy to implement solution, Antii. Genius.
You're completely right. If you can only name 3 subs, players won't leave small to medium sized clubs for the top 4 to do nothing most weeks and multi million pound owners won't be as inclined recklessly when they will need to use far fewer players each year.
It also put's more emphasis on a manager's tactical nouse as he can't just replace like for like when injuries, etc occur and it'll make the game more open.
Great idea. No repercussions. Can be implemented next season. |  | | |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 11:32 - Jul 26 with 1081 views | Hunterhoop |
AND, it'll encourage the development and use of home grown players.
Because you only have 14 in a matchday squad, you'll have smaller squads. If you then have an injury crisis teams, all of then, will be forced into using youngsters.
It'll will also improve the standard in the football league as the "wealth" of playing ability in the Prem as is will end up filtering down as players look for regular football and Prem chairman stop stockpiling players due to complete waste if paying someone £40k per week to do nothing.
As the leagues below get stronger so football across Eng will become more competitive. I'd also suggest it will be the true rebirth of the FA Cup.
The one problem, it'll lower the standard in the Prem (no bad thing) whilst improving the Champ. The Top 4 will lose out as everyone will get closer to each other. As such, the powerful top 4 will never back it.
GREAT GREAT idea though. | | | |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 16:33 - Jul 26 with 1008 views | wood_hoop |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 11:32 - Jul 26 by Hunterhoop |
AND, it'll encourage the development and use of home grown players.
Because you only have 14 in a matchday squad, you'll have smaller squads. If you then have an injury crisis teams, all of then, will be forced into using youngsters.
It'll will also improve the standard in the football league as the "wealth" of playing ability in the Prem as is will end up filtering down as players look for regular football and Prem chairman stop stockpiling players due to complete waste if paying someone £40k per week to do nothing.
As the leagues below get stronger so football across Eng will become more competitive. I'd also suggest it will be the true rebirth of the FA Cup.
The one problem, it'll lower the standard in the Prem (no bad thing) whilst improving the Champ. The Top 4 will lose out as everyone will get closer to each other. As such, the powerful top 4 will never back it.
GREAT GREAT idea though. |
A few flaws in this idea, won't stop the big boys still stock piling players, maybe a smaller squad on match day but nothing to stop them having three top international players on the sidelines waiting for an injury to happen, and another shed load waiting in the wings, it might have the reverse effect, the places in the playing day squad become even more competitive amongst the recognised players, making it even harder for younger players to be blooded with a few trips as a bench player as is the case now.
The Prem clubs especially will concentrate even more on buying foreign ready made players, the standard of UK players is poor enough when judged against many of the imports, even less chance of home players getting a look in if clubs are not prepared to risk a promising youngster with so few subs allowed.
As for wasting £40k a week on players, since when has that bothered chairmen, not as though little ol QPR could do such a thing.........oh sh*t | | | |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 16:45 - Jul 26 with 997 views | HollowayRanger |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 14:25 - Jul 25 by Juzzie |
It's a real double-edged sword.
Something has got to be done to curb the massive overspending with clubs operating on things like 115%+ (or probably 200-300% in the likes of City and maybe Chelsea) of income with the difference being offset by the owners meaning clubs with sugar daddies (QPR included) can just outspend everyone else.
This though is not breaking any rules or laws and nor is it confined to just the PL. Lower league clubs like Crawley and I think Fleetwod Town were being subsidised by allowing the owners to out-spend their divisonal rivals. Same with us, Leicester etc in the Championship.
However, all FFP does is make the already strong clubs even stronger. Especially those with 40,000+ fans every home game who can draw in more income than anyone with less than 25k grounds.
Man Utd with 70k+ home gates and massive global income will always be able to out-compete every other club if everyone spends within their income.
Other bigs clubs like Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea will be very close behind.
This just creates, what I think we already have, a Premier League that is a divison of 4 sub-divisions;
The top 4
Those pushing for a Europa League place
Mid-lower table mediocrity
Those fighting against relegation
Either way, the existing big clubs win.
We finished 5th in 1992, the first season of the Premiership. Spending 'normally' and able to compete against the so-called big clubs. Those days are gone. It would take spending of a massive amount to get a club like QPR to finish 5th again.
Other clubs like Oldham, Luton, Oxford, Wimbledon etc also held their own for a while. Can't see that ever happening again.
English football is fked, has been for 20 years.
Thanks Sky, Thanks FA.
Cnts.
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exactly sky have all but destroyed fairness in football
look at the old days
leeds derby Watford villa Liverpool everton man utd arsenal spurs Norwich qpr Blackburn and a few others all up there
now its a closed shop chelski Manchester city ,man utd Liverpool arsenal
you wont find another little club rocking the boat
someone might say Southampton almost did
but look whats happened to them their team has been torn apart by the big boys |  |
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 17:37 - Jul 26 with 961 views | QPR_John |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 16:33 - Jul 26 by wood_hoop |
A few flaws in this idea, won't stop the big boys still stock piling players, maybe a smaller squad on match day but nothing to stop them having three top international players on the sidelines waiting for an injury to happen, and another shed load waiting in the wings, it might have the reverse effect, the places in the playing day squad become even more competitive amongst the recognised players, making it even harder for younger players to be blooded with a few trips as a bench player as is the case now.
The Prem clubs especially will concentrate even more on buying foreign ready made players, the standard of UK players is poor enough when judged against many of the imports, even less chance of home players getting a look in if clubs are not prepared to risk a promising youngster with so few subs allowed.
As for wasting £40k a week on players, since when has that bothered chairmen, not as though little ol QPR could do such a thing.........oh sh*t |
"A few flaws in this idea, won't stop the big boys still stock piling players, maybe a smaller squad on match day but nothing to stop them having three top international players on the sidelines waiting for an injury to happen"
I don't think they would remain top international players very long. | | | |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 00:38 - Jul 27 with 906 views | Hunterhoop |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 17:37 - Jul 26 by QPR_John |
"A few flaws in this idea, won't stop the big boys still stock piling players, maybe a smaller squad on match day but nothing to stop them having three top international players on the sidelines waiting for an injury to happen"
I don't think they would remain top international players very long. |
Exactly.
Footballers ma be tw*ts and Chairmen may be stupid, but I am absolutely adamant 3 subs max would mean fewer players would move to the top 4 (given risk of no football) and fewer chairmen would sanction singings if they weren't going to be playing regular football.
Ergo, it would have the impact I explained earlier.
Woody, it's you that doesn't get it. | | | |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 01:24 - Jul 27 with 895 views | HollowayRanger |
anyone know how many players chelski had out on loan last season?
frigging 27!!!!!
Here’s a full list of Chelsea’s loanees.
· Ryan Bertrand — Aston Villa
· Thibaut Courtois — Atletico Madrid
· Todd Kane — Blackburn Rovers
· George Saville — Brentford
· Ulises Davila — Cordoba
· Romelu Lukaku — Everton
· Matej Delac — FK Sarejevo
· Wallace — Inter Milan
· Jhon Pirez — Leganes
· Victor Moses —Liverpool
· Kenneth Omeruo — Middlesbrough
· Nathaniel Chalobah — Middlesbrough
· Stipe Perica — NAC Breda
· Billy Clifford — Royal Antwerp
· Marko Marin — Sevilla
· Kurt Zouma— St. Etienne
· Oriol Romeu — Valencia
· Patrick Van Aabholt — Vitesse Arnhem
· Gael Kakuta — Vitesse Arnhem
· Lucas Piazon — Vitesse Arnhem
· Cristian Cuevas — Vitesse Arnhem
· Christian Atsu — Vitesse Arnhem
· Bertrand Traore — Vitesse Arnhem
· Milan Lalkovic — Walsall
· Josh McEachran — Wigan Athletic
· Thorgan Hazard — Zulte Waregem
its crazy!!! | |
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| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 18:20 - Jul 27 with 824 views | wood_hoop |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 00:38 - Jul 27 by Hunterhoop |
Exactly.
Footballers ma be tw*ts and Chairmen may be stupid, but I am absolutely adamant 3 subs max would mean fewer players would move to the top 4 (given risk of no football) and fewer chairmen would sanction singings if they weren't going to be playing regular football.
Ergo, it would have the impact I explained earlier.
Woody, it's you that doesn't get it. |
Hunter, I must admit that sometimes I am not the brighest bulb on the tree but seem to be missing the key points completely on this one, plenty of players will go to a club knowing they will not be first choice, not just the supposed sh** ones either, £2-3 million pound a year is some compensation package for not being flavour of the month and plenty will still be biting the hands of clubs that will pay top dollar.
I take it the squad size will still be 25, so no decline in the number of registered first team players, even the best will sometimes get injured and the big boys would like at least an almost comparable player, especially in key positions, not a bad idea at all to see if it does have some affect but majority of footballers play for the money, trophies and International caps just give them more negoiating powers when it comes to the next mega pay deal. | | | |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 18:53 - Jul 27 with 802 views | jamois |
| Fans Launch Legal Challange to FFP - PRESS RELEASE on 01:24 - Jul 27 by HollowayRanger |
anyone know how many players chelski had out on loan last season?
frigging 27!!!!!
Here’s a full list of Chelsea’s loanees.
· Ryan Bertrand — Aston Villa
· Thibaut Courtois — Atletico Madrid
· Todd Kane — Blackburn Rovers
· George Saville — Brentford
· Ulises Davila — Cordoba
· Romelu Lukaku — Everton
· Matej Delac — FK Sarejevo
· Wallace — Inter Milan
· Jhon Pirez — Leganes
· Victor Moses —Liverpool
· Kenneth Omeruo — Middlesbrough
· Nathaniel Chalobah — Middlesbrough
· Stipe Perica — NAC Breda
· Billy Clifford — Royal Antwerp
· Marko Marin — Sevilla
· Kurt Zouma— St. Etienne
· Oriol Romeu — Valencia
· Patrick Van Aabholt — Vitesse Arnhem
· Gael Kakuta — Vitesse Arnhem
· Lucas Piazon — Vitesse Arnhem
· Cristian Cuevas — Vitesse Arnhem
· Christian Atsu — Vitesse Arnhem
· Bertrand Traore — Vitesse Arnhem
· Milan Lalkovic — Walsall
· Josh McEachran — Wigan Athletic
· Thorgan Hazard — Zulte Waregem
its crazy!!! |
Wow, just wow.
I'm in favour of FFP being scrapped and I hope these guys pull it off. We do need alternatives though. Salary cap good. Subs limits also good. Limit number of players you can loan out - that would work too no? |  |
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