| Fracking Hell 18:56 - Jul 28 with 1994 views | kysersosaqpr |
Just saw on bbc news that the Tories (spending fracking nothing on energy conservation measures) is going to let loads of "licenses" to allow people to frack all over the country. You can see the Bedlington Club boys on the phone to their bankers... "Forget the dough we earnt on selling off the last bank shares to each other....peanuts..."
Just put up 20 nuclear plants (I know, we'll get sanctions and UN inspectors to check we're not really building bombs - oops too late) and turn the country all electric. Branson can dump the waste in space via the virgin space shuttle. Energy crisis and dependence on Russia & Middle East for energy.... Sorted!! |  |
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| Fracking Hell on 13:55 - Jul 29 with 515 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Fracking Hell on 13:42 - Jul 29 by R_from_afar |
Unfortunately, renewables have become politicised. If you are a Conservative, you will cop a shedload of flack if you support green energy because it is now inextricably linked with the left. This is a disaster!
I am reading that onshore wind is now competitive with gas. Bear in mind that fossil fuel based power plants will only become costlier. Renewables will get cheaper due to not needing fuel and economies of scale.
We are approaching a fossil fuel resource crunch. The easy to get at (cheap) stuff has gone. Since 2000, the oil industry's investments have risen by 180% - a threefold increase - but this has translated into a global oil supply increase of just 14%.
I've banged on about fracking earlier in this thread. There are so many issues with it even if you leave its contribution to climate change to one side.
Nuclear plants have a role to play but they are costly and very slow to build. Their cost just goes up and up but don't take my word for it: "Costs are going up and they've always gone up through the entire 50 or 60 yrs of nuclear history" - Prof S Thomas, Greenwich University. Think about the clean-up costs: they are £70bn for Sellafield alone and the government cannot find anywhere to put the waste!
Hinckley C will, according to some industry experts, provide the most expensive energy of any power plant, anywhere, ever.
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Very informative (that is genuine not flippant by the way)
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| Fracking Hell on 14:32 - Jul 29 with 491 views | Lewes_r |
| Fracking Hell on 13:55 - Jul 29 by CroydonCaptJack |
Very informative (that is genuine not flippant by the way)
So what is the answer? |
start by getting rid of the tories |  |
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| Fracking Hell on 14:59 - Jul 29 with 480 views | Cornish_oooRRRR |
| Fracking Hell on 14:32 - Jul 29 by Lewes_r |
start by getting rid of the tories |
What are you talking about?! Vote blue - go green |  |
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| Fracking Hell on 15:09 - Jul 29 with 476 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Fracking Hell on 14:32 - Jul 29 by Lewes_r |
start by getting rid of the tories |
Yes, the last lot did so well. | | | |
| Fracking Hell on 15:24 - Jul 29 with 470 views | ingeminate |
| Fracking Hell on 11:47 - Jul 29 by Lewes_r |
this got my eyeballs out on sticks....
"Worst case there will be a flurry of little earthquakes/tremors - sounds bad, but unlikely to do any real damage"
ok so thats no problem then.. no such thing as possible unforeseen chain reactions leading to ecological disasters..
the whole thing hasnt been thought through and researched enough in the mad dash for money IMHO (and "inconclusive" dont cut it) [Post edited 29 Jul 2014 11:48]
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well there has been a lot of fracking elsewhere and there has been a lot of digging in to potential issues in the UK - so I don't completely buy the no research argument. Companies like i-gas/egdon cuadrilla have had the bulk of their operations on hold for a good while - i think you'd meet with a wry smile if you accused them of having had legislation rushed through - far from it!
I don't know tonnes about it, but I work in oil and gas recruitment and have spoken to geologists/geophysicists for and against it and am repeating the common consensus.
It isn't a major solution but worth looking at and the risks to environment seem relatively small based on the majority of research out there.
Beyond that I've watched a couple of documentaries on it and then read up a bit on it as well. Still definitely no expert, to Lewes R's popping out eyeballs so far as I understand when coal mining was in its pomp that also caused small tremors but without there being much in the way of damage.
i won't claim there is no chance of "possible unforseen chain reactions" then again I suppose the beauty of the unforseen is that it is difficult to predict.
One more point re licenses - there may be corruption involved, however no more or less than any other contracts the government gives out - oil companies in the UK are not having a great time of it at the moment despite common perception with companies laying off significant numbers of staff - TAQA/BG/Statoil and others effected as well. [Post edited 29 Jul 2014 15:27]
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| Fracking Hell on 17:54 - Jul 29 with 433 views | R_from_afar |
| Fracking Hell on 13:55 - Jul 29 by CroydonCaptJack |
Very informative (that is genuine not flippant by the way)
So what is the answer? |
Thanks for that.
David Mackay, once Chief Scientific Advisor to the Department of Energy and Climate Change, has written a free to download book with a series of plans designed to get us off fossil fuels and onto sustainable energy:
http://www.withouthotair.com/about.html
It's a great read, simple but informative and backed up by "the sums" rather than just being pages and pages of text.
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| Fracking Hell on 18:38 - Jul 29 with 424 views | loftboy |
| Fracking Hell on 17:54 - Jul 29 by R_from_afar |
Thanks for that.
David Mackay, once Chief Scientific Advisor to the Department of Energy and Climate Change, has written a free to download book with a series of plans designed to get us off fossil fuels and onto sustainable energy:
http://www.withouthotair.com/about.html
It's a great read, simple but informative and backed up by "the sums" rather than just being pages and pages of text.
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I bet there's someone out there being kept quiet by the oil companies who has worked out a way to heat the world and run a car using sea water! |  |
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| Fracking Hell on 12:37 - Jul 30 with 385 views | R_from_afar |
| Fracking Hell on 18:38 - Jul 29 by loftboy |
I bet there's someone out there being kept quiet by the oil companies who has worked out a way to heat the world and run a car using sea water! |
Funny you should say that because when GM was first developing electric cars, they loaned a load of them out to members of the public, to let them test them and to learn from their experiences. When the test ended, many of the testers were desperate to keep their cars but were not allowed to, under any circumstances, no matter how much they offered to pay for them. The cars vanished but were eventually tracked down to an isolated storage facility. Even once found, GM refused to let anyone have them.
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| Fracking Hell on 12:54 - Jul 30 with 379 views | Jigsore |
| Fracking Hell on 07:32 - Jul 29 by CroydonCaptJack |
Do you really think any Government is going to ignore the chance to secure our own power supply into the future? All within our own control? |
funny meaning of the word 'secure' you've got there |  |
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| Fracking Hell on 13:14 - Jul 30 with 372 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Fracking Hell on 12:54 - Jul 30 by Jigsore |
funny meaning of the word 'secure' you've got there |
Not really. Why? | | | |
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