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...in east london/essex i can think of at least 25 pubs that have closed down since 2000.
i think its sad, for me a pub , run correctly with a good landlord/landlady is as vital as a community center and some peoples only social contact for an hour a week.
ive just heard from a mate that the cauliflower pub in seven kings/ilford has closed... a huge victorian gin palace/pub that was famed for live music in east london and essex.
we've just lost another 2 in nearby epping.
the old man has seen 6 go in the past two years in east ham.
why???, the smoking ban, too expensive, cultural changes in areas...probably all play their part.
will there be any non chain pubs in ten years or any at all in 20..??
be a shame if we all end up drinking in front of the x factor and 'the one show...'
a dying trade.i cant see me taking my future grandson(many moons from now!) to a pub on a sunday lunchtime with the roast potatoes on the bar and the pogues on the jukey.
i certainly wont be taken him to IKEA @lakeside shopping center on a sunday.
a rite of passage lost.
is it the same in your areas?..more flats, dixy fried chickens, offices ,car parks and the old boozer torn down to make way?
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"...The monkey is never dead, Dealer. The monkey never dies. When you kick him off, he just hides in a corner, waiting his turn."
all those reasons for closing Disco, down here in deepest Dorset we have the same problem, price of a pint and what the locals earn being top reason. So many pubs I used to drink in West London, long since gone
A couple of months back when in the NW10 area, I noticed on the Harrrow Road that between Craven Park and Wembley Triangle, the only place to get a pint is the Stonebridge Park Hotel, and that has been changed into a B+B with only a small side bar.
I have noticed that once pubs have closed, it is not long before new owners convert them into anything from flats, christian churches, mosques (yes really), Tescos Expresses, offices, shops, KFC's, Mcdonalds or simply just flattened. Meaning once they have shut, they will never re-open again and are gone forever.
However, the amount of shops selling alcohol, some cheaper than the supermarket, has multiplied somewhat. Which I think we are not drinking any less, just drinking more at home now.
I was born about 300 yards from The Cauliflower. It had a great reputation as a music venue in the 70s apparently (before my time drinking-wise, honest.)
Drank in there on the pub crawl after we had after we finished our A levels.
It gives me heart to see my mates bringing their young lads to the battle before games and bars to watch games etc. Fairly soon they will be old enough to buy themselves a beer but what does you proud is they keep saying "we'll be able to buy you a beer this time next year" etc Nice
But then you talk to them and many of their mates hardly ever set foot in the pub and have no great hankering to. Just where does the younger generation go to for the craic and to meet? Well the internet apparently!!
My local shut down start of the summer. It's a quite famous old boozer in the area and many years ago run by one of my distant relations, it went gastro a good few years back and was very successful but then the two gay lads who had it got a bit above themselves, prices stupid and custom dropped I don't understand how it can't make money. There's little boxes being put up all around it in Ealing and they're selling mad. So where do these people go to release, to socialise or to have a laugh? Apparently East Europeans don't go out?!?!!! Cans from the sklep only!!!
I gave serious thought to investing in this boozer but the charges from the brewery are astronomical and I reckon they want to sell it off to a box developer for a nice cash injection
So sad
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
Maybe they've just their priced regular punters out of it. Drinking in pubs is a f*cking expensive habit these days. £4 for a pint of piss water Fosters? F*ck doing that too often...there lies the problem. The cheeky pint on the way home from work, the popping out for an hour when your bored...just cant be doing with it at those prices when the shop on the corner are selling 6 cans for a fiver.
my mums got a guest house in frinton on sea since 2001 ish (inside the gates). theres one shepherd neame boozer called the lock and barrel i think, on the high street.
only been there for about 7 years, they wouldnt even have a fish and chip shop and it made the national press.
its like britain in the 1950's, white middle class and very affluent, fk knows why mother is there, shes from canning town.
nearby walton on the naze has a fair few boozers.
clacton on sea is an absolute shit hole.nearby jaywick is hell on earth..has the cheapest property anywhere in the uk!
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"...The monkey is never dead, Dealer. The monkey never dies. When you kick him off, he just hides in a corner, waiting his turn."
It gives me heart to see my mates bringing their young lads to the battle before games and bars to watch games etc. Fairly soon they will be old enough to buy themselves a beer but what does you proud is they keep saying "we'll be able to buy you a beer this time next year" etc Nice
But then you talk to them and many of their mates hardly ever set foot in the pub and have no great hankering to. Just where does the younger generation go to for the craic and to meet? Well the internet apparently!!
My local shut down start of the summer. It's a quite famous old boozer in the area and many years ago run by one of my distant relations, it went gastro a good few years back and was very successful but then the two gay lads who had it got a bit above themselves, prices stupid and custom dropped I don't understand how it can't make money. There's little boxes being put up all around it in Ealing and they're selling mad. So where do these people go to release, to socialise or to have a laugh? Apparently East Europeans don't go out?!?!!! Cans from the sklep only!!!
I gave serious thought to investing in this boozer but the charges from the brewery are astronomical and I reckon they want to sell it off to a box developer for a nice cash injection
So sad
tell you what ive noticed l block, young lads seem to be really into their football betting theses days, betting on games from portugal to costa rica to iceland.
seing ray winstones head in a circle bouncing around a screen seem to really have caught there imagination, same with those lock stock and barrell guy ritchie type ads for ladbrookes.
most of it from their smart phones as well.
totally different level from the my day..
"...The monkey is never dead, Dealer. The monkey never dies. When you kick him off, he just hides in a corner, waiting his turn."
my mums got a guest house in frinton on sea since 2001 ish (inside the gates). theres one shepherd neame boozer called the lock and barrel i think, on the high street.
only been there for about 7 years, they wouldnt even have a fish and chip shop and it made the national press.
its like britain in the 1950's, white middle class and very affluent, fk knows why mother is there, shes from canning town.
nearby walton on the naze has a fair few boozers.
clacton on sea is an absolute shit hole.nearby jaywick is hell on earth..has the cheapest property anywhere in the uk!
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Answer is Tilbury Town (not East or West) Used to have The Ship which was voted the hardest pub in Britain according to The Sun in the late 80s. Guaranteed a fight a night due to the sailors from the dicks opposite mixing with travellers & the Tilbury Trojans ( skinhead mob). Then there was the Anchor ( renamed) The Flying Bottle for obvious reasons! Now? Nothing. Landlords can't stand the aggro even Wetherspoons had a go with security on doors & they give up.
Im with Lblock here, its a crying shame that most of the pubs around London have gone to be replaced by Tesco express, Flats, Mosques etc I watch old re runs of minder just to see these old pubs it seems when ever I come back to London to visit relatives a new block of flats has gone up somewhere , Living in Northampton im lucky that we have loads of boozers still going, and that my local which is 15 minutes walk, is an old school pub, no jukeboxes, TV's , fruitmachines it does a massive selection of beers & malts and even has roast potatoes on the bar & old boys playing dominoes on a sunday, when friends and family come to stay they love the pub culture here as most pubs are rammed on Fridays & Saturdays still , no trouble either and decent prices http://maltshoveltavern.com/ BTW Disco I loved you talking about the working mans club the other day with the old boy at the door, it reminded me of drinking with my dad & granddad at the British Legion in Greenford , get signed in , £1.20 for a pint of skol or fosters , a quick sing song round the old Joanna , then all upstanding for the national anthem at chucking out time magic days on a side note I agree about kids and betting, ever been to a casino lately ?? they are full of kids all in tracksuits, spunking their money in the slot machines I remember the days when you had to wear a shirt & tie and the woman wore cocktail dresses and had to be a member to get in one, now you just bowl in wearing a vest & flip flops we are heading for hell in a handcart !!!
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
Still going strong in Gloucestershire, in fact a few are re-opening. One pub, The Old Spot in Dursley is a fantastic place which is owned by one of the local small breweries. It's an ale drinkers pub & they only serve food at lunchtime to ensure it stays that way.
It's a national trend which is often bizarrely laid at the door of Muslims not drinking, which I find bizarre as they're less than 5% of the UK's population.
The causes are:
- Apparently the smoking ban. I don't get that one myself, all the smokers I know love going to the pub and their little journey outside. I've also gone to the pub much more since I don't come home smelling like I had a 20 a day habit
- The combination of pub profit margins and supermarkets using booze as a loss leader. It's become so difficult for pubs to make profit their prices have had to go up and up, and all the craft beer stuff has given them an excuse to ramp prices up further. Having for a decade now supermarkets have been selling booze at a massive loss. As a the recession hit (though this was a trend prior) this has exacerbated this further. This makes the problem far more pronounced in more economically deprived areas such as East London where people will just stay in rather than go to the pub.
- The younger generation (and not just muslims) are increasingly not drinking. Due to baby boomers ruining everything for everyone they find it incredibly hard to find a job at all, and if they do it's badly paid. Further more, drinking used to have a certain allure, but after years of shows like Booze Britain, youngsters think it's kinda dumb
- Housing. Under the 6 years of Boris, London has changed dramatically. 57% of all new housing built in the capital has been sold to foreign investors, and the amount of affordable accommodation built is negligible. As such zones 1-3 are being flooded with either super rich foreigners or properties that are way out of the price range of anyone earning less than 150k a year, and those kinds of people don't go to pubs
Im with Lblock here, its a crying shame that most of the pubs around London have gone to be replaced by Tesco express, Flats, Mosques etc I watch old re runs of minder just to see these old pubs it seems when ever I come back to London to visit relatives a new block of flats has gone up somewhere , Living in Northampton im lucky that we have loads of boozers still going, and that my local which is 15 minutes walk, is an old school pub, no jukeboxes, TV's , fruitmachines it does a massive selection of beers & malts and even has roast potatoes on the bar & old boys playing dominoes on a sunday, when friends and family come to stay they love the pub culture here as most pubs are rammed on Fridays & Saturdays still , no trouble either and decent prices http://maltshoveltavern.com/ BTW Disco I loved you talking about the working mans club the other day with the old boy at the door, it reminded me of drinking with my dad & granddad at the British Legion in Greenford , get signed in , £1.20 for a pint of skol or fosters , a quick sing song round the old Joanna , then all upstanding for the national anthem at chucking out time magic days on a side note I agree about kids and betting, ever been to a casino lately ?? they are full of kids all in tracksuits, spunking their money in the slot machines I remember the days when you had to wear a shirt & tie and the woman wore cocktail dresses and had to be a member to get in one, now you just bowl in wearing a vest & flip flops we are heading for hell in a handcart !!!
brilliant mate..im sure were related!!, if we meet for a pint or two , i feel sure we wont let the side down and end up in jakarta a week later with exotic fruits on our heads , married to the local FGM doctor..
"...The monkey is never dead, Dealer. The monkey never dies. When you kick him off, he just hides in a corner, waiting his turn."
It's a national trend which is often bizarrely laid at the door of Muslims not drinking, which I find bizarre as they're less than 5% of the UK's population.
The causes are:
- Apparently the smoking ban. I don't get that one myself, all the smokers I know love going to the pub and their little journey outside. I've also gone to the pub much more since I don't come home smelling like I had a 20 a day habit
- The combination of pub profit margins and supermarkets using booze as a loss leader. It's become so difficult for pubs to make profit their prices have had to go up and up, and all the craft beer stuff has given them an excuse to ramp prices up further. Having for a decade now supermarkets have been selling booze at a massive loss. As a the recession hit (though this was a trend prior) this has exacerbated this further. This makes the problem far more pronounced in more economically deprived areas such as East London where people will just stay in rather than go to the pub.
- The younger generation (and not just muslims) are increasingly not drinking. Due to baby boomers ruining everything for everyone they find it incredibly hard to find a job at all, and if they do it's badly paid. Further more, drinking used to have a certain allure, but after years of shows like Booze Britain, youngsters think it's kinda dumb
- Housing. Under the 6 years of Boris, London has changed dramatically. 57% of all new housing built in the capital has been sold to foreign investors, and the amount of affordable accommodation built is negligible. As such zones 1-3 are being flooded with either super rich foreigners or properties that are way out of the price range of anyone earning less than 150k a year, and those kinds of people don't go to pubs
i mentioned cultural changes in my OP.
i agree with all your point s, other than the muslim population in east london . . it may be a tad higher than 5%, one would venture!!!.
the duke of edinboro in green street near upton park tube , closed 6 weeks ago.
it was only the football season that kept it going and the few hardy souls/ locals who frequent it on a sunday lunchtime and 2/3 nights per week.
i know for a fact that young lads from certain ethnic groups would come in the pub to watch skt tv ..at kick off..man utd, arsenal, liverpool etc etc and sit and watch the game,,,the landlord gave up asking them to buy even a coke as they would make it last the 90 mins, then leaving the pub on the first note of the final whistle.
as for the rich moving into upton park , east ham zones 3 ...a blow job from kirsty or even phil wouldnt get anyone to move there other than 'foriegn investors' that live on housing benefit.
i do agree with all your other well made points tho robith.
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"...The monkey is never dead, Dealer. The monkey never dies. When you kick him off, he just hides in a corner, waiting his turn."
I read about this place a couple of years back. No pub and the only seaside town with no fish & chip shop and by all accounts according to the author, people there don't laugh a lot. Must be the last bastion of Cromwellian Puritanicalism if there is such a word.
i agree with all your point s, other than the muslim population in east london . . it may be a tad higher than 5%, one would venture!!!.
the duke of edinboro in green street near upton park tube , closed 6 weeks ago.
it was only the football season that kept it going and the few hardy souls/ locals who frequent it on a sunday lunchtime and 2/3 nights per week.
i know for a fact that young lads from certain ethnic groups would come in the pub to watch skt tv ..at kick off..man utd, arsenal, liverpool etc etc and sit and watch the game,,,the landlord gave up asking them to buy even a coke as they would make it last the 90 mins, then leaving the pub on the first note of the final whistle.
as for the rich moving into upton park , east ham zones 3 ...a blow job from kirsty or even phil wouldnt get anyone to move there other than 'foriegn investors' that live on housing benefit.
i do agree with all your other well made points tho robith.
[Post edited 2 Oct 2014 10:11]
we've got a massive sports bar out of town which has 20 screens and a snooker club stopped going in their to watch the football a few years ago as when the big games are on a lot of the ethnic groups that disco speaks of would all come in and just crowd round tables watching the football not even buying a drink and then leaving when the game is finished, I think the government are pricing landlords & breweries out by the tax on beer etc most pubs now make more on their food than they do selling drinks which is why nearly every pub is the same now, ( I don't blame the pubs either ) I cant be the only one who gets the hump seeing kids running around while mum & dad have a full English at 4pm in the afternoon, pubs used to be the place where adults got away from the kids or the missus even now you cant have a quiet pint without 20 people descending for a burger & chips for a fiver BTW Disco look forward to that drink someday ,
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
my mums got a guest house in frinton on sea since 2001 ish (inside the gates). theres one shepherd neame boozer called the lock and barrel i think, on the high street.
only been there for about 7 years, they wouldnt even have a fish and chip shop and it made the national press.
its like britain in the 1950's, white middle class and very affluent, fk knows why mother is there, shes from canning town.
nearby walton on the naze has a fair few boozers.
clacton on sea is an absolute shit hole.nearby jaywick is hell on earth..has the cheapest property anywhere in the uk!
[Post edited 2 Oct 2014 8:23]
Clacton, the town that irony forgot, scrubbing out their 'racist and offensive' new Banksy...
A magnificent football club, the love of our lives, finding a way to finally have its day in the sun.
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