| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? 12:55 - Nov 20 with 4861 views | runningman75 |
Heard on the news today, that last Friday there was a record number of users on the London underground. I travel regularly around London and notice more often that English is a more uncommon language. My great grandparents were immigrants to the UK but their children all spoke English.
I used to take the liberal viewpoint of diversity being beneficial but when I see people selling the big issue and others not contributing to society think we need to have an Australian type points system and visa system rather then openly letting everyone into the country. I could not support UKIP as they have poor policies in terms of the NHS and other policies but feel the country is reaching breaking point and many more people will be looking towards UKIP. Immigration is not just the natural place for the far right any more.
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| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 23:01 - Nov 20 with 1065 views | TheBlob |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 22:37 - Nov 20 by derbyhoop |
Immigration will be one factor but it should be way behind the economy, the NHS and education. UKIP have managed to make it high profile but they don't seem to have anything else to talk about.
All the parties now want to control immigration but it may be an issue that has only become high profile due to recession and falling living standards.
I suspect we'll end with another coalition but I cant see anybody wanting to link with Farage's loonies. |
I think you're in for a nasty shock.Political party remit is survival,they'll get into bed with anyone to ensure the cosy little cartel perpetuates. |  |
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| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 10:58 - Nov 21 with 943 views | doogi55 |
ukip has bought around the demise of the bnp and nf why because farage has managed to legitimize racism.
The minute you start tackling them on any other policy they start to fall apart and return the conversation to immigration and Europe.
deep down most people know that they are racist policies even the idiot they just voted in wants to repatriate immigrant's then say I didn't mean it like that I was tired.
but you know what they say when people get drunk or tired the truth and what they stand for comes to the top. | | | |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 11:04 - Nov 21 with 938 views | loftboy |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 15:07 - Nov 20 by stumbleandfall |
I say let anyone in. Let's go all Darwin and survival of the fittest. Create a new breed of elite Brits. |
That's already happenned |  |
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| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 11:17 - Nov 21 with 917 views | Discodroids |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 10:58 - Nov 21 by doogi55 |
ukip has bought around the demise of the bnp and nf why because farage has managed to legitimize racism.
The minute you start tackling them on any other policy they start to fall apart and return the conversation to immigration and Europe.
deep down most people know that they are racist policies even the idiot they just voted in wants to repatriate immigrant's then say I didn't mean it like that I was tired.
but you know what they say when people get drunk or tired the truth and what they stand for comes to the top. |
"deep down most people know that they are racist policies".
do most people of clacton know that ?
do most people of rochester know that ?
do the 11,000 people of heywood who failed by 600 votes to overturn a 17,000 labour majority over UKIP from the last election know that ?
do the people who voted UKIP into first place on the euro election last may know that ? ( the first time the red colored party and the tories have been beaten in an election for 104 years)
i must say it does seem a bit pious , disingenuous, and a sweeping all encompassing statement , to imply they are voting for racist policies, thus making them racist.
i'll get emily thornbury to tweet me a picture of people eating in a harvester in lonsdale leisure wear on a bank holiday monday , so i know what one looks like.
surely the tens, if not hundreds of thousands who have voted for them in the last 18 months, must have a GCSE woodwork or domestic science qualification between them.
#keepempeeled [Post edited 21 Nov 2014 11:22]
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| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 14:16 - Nov 21 with 853 views | AlbRanger |
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| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 14:24 - Nov 21 with 826 views | QPRDave |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 10:58 - Nov 21 by doogi55 |
ukip has bought around the demise of the bnp and nf why because farage has managed to legitimize racism.
The minute you start tackling them on any other policy they start to fall apart and return the conversation to immigration and Europe.
deep down most people know that they are racist policies even the idiot they just voted in wants to repatriate immigrant's then say I didn't mean it like that I was tired.
but you know what they say when people get drunk or tired the truth and what they stand for comes to the top. |
I have never heard any journo ask any UKIP rep anything other than immigration.
The fella was talking about repatriation of new immigrants i think |  | | |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 14:31 - Nov 21 with 808 views | Discodroids |
i put it to you ladies and gentleman of the jury we are confronted with a clear case of tomfoolery most foul.a compelling case indeed..........
that report produced by the geezer of academia in tweed who said EU immigration is a massive net benefit to the country OF 2O Billion, then buried in the report saying that non eu immigration has cost the uk a mere 118 billion, since 1992
the very same brainiac who predicted that 13,000 would come here from poland.
i wouldnt employ him putting up shelves for bog roll in my shithouse.
the prosecution rests m'lud, take this man away , and may lord have mercy upon his soul...(queue Crown Court theme tune...) [Post edited 21 Nov 2014 14:33]
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| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 15:29 - Nov 21 with 754 views | hopphoops |
I'd vote for anyone who'd get rid of the international break. |  |
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| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 15:41 - Nov 21 with 741 views | SpiritofGregory |
It will be the number 1 issue at the next election - it creates knock on effects on housing, employment, education, the health service and culture/heritage. |  | | |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 15:47 - Nov 21 with 735 views | easthertsr |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 14:16 - Nov 21 by AlbRanger |
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If you deleted Liberals from that poster and put Right-wingers I would say it is correct, of course we believe we are right and we push our own agenda, so does everyone, it's called political debate ! Those of the Right on here (see Disco!) constantly mock me and call me names but I'm a big boy I can take it. It's the cut and thrust of an argument, it occurs on BOTH sides. Everyone is trying to PERSUADE you that their POV is the right one. That poster has been written/made by an awfully precious right-winger! | | | |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 18:15 - Nov 21 with 673 views | barabajagal |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 15:47 - Nov 21 by easthertsr |
If you deleted Liberals from that poster and put Right-wingers I would say it is correct, of course we believe we are right and we push our own agenda, so does everyone, it's called political debate ! Those of the Right on here (see Disco!) constantly mock me and call me names but I'm a big boy I can take it. It's the cut and thrust of an argument, it occurs on BOTH sides. Everyone is trying to PERSUADE you that their POV is the right one. That poster has been written/made by an awfully precious right-winger! |
Well observed. |  | | |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 18:20 - Nov 21 with 666 views | barabajagal |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 14:16 - Nov 21 by AlbRanger |
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Liberal? Try to keep it friendly old boy, I prefer to think of my comrades and I as socialists. | | | |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 18:28 - Nov 21 with 655 views | Clive_Anderson |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 15:47 - Nov 21 by easthertsr |
If you deleted Liberals from that poster and put Right-wingers I would say it is correct, of course we believe we are right and we push our own agenda, so does everyone, it's called political debate ! Those of the Right on here (see Disco!) constantly mock me and call me names but I'm a big boy I can take it. It's the cut and thrust of an argument, it occurs on BOTH sides. Everyone is trying to PERSUADE you that their POV is the right one. That poster has been written/made by an awfully precious right-winger! |
The left have been screaming racist at anyone that dare say anything that isn't pro-immigration or pro-EU for the last 30 years. Now people are finally questioning if the ones doing the shouting are the real bigots we get "Aha you're doing it as well now!". Yeah probably because any reasonable argument has been shouted down every time.
You need to try to actually make some coherent arguments for your case. That's if there actually are any and not just abuse for those that disagree with your point of view.
Have a think about whether writing off millions of people as scum just because "you've seen what their type is like down the pub" is bigoted or not. If someone applied the same logic to a racial group then what would you call that person? [Post edited 21 Nov 2014 18:30]
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| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 18:38 - Nov 21 with 641 views | TheBlob |
There's only so much detritus you can sweep under the carpet before everyone notices the bulge and immigration fits that criterion.It has to be addressed sensibly without all this infantile mud slinging that only succeeds in hardening opinions and arteries. | |
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| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 19:00 - Nov 21 with 628 views | barabajagal |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 18:28 - Nov 21 by Clive_Anderson |
The left have been screaming racist at anyone that dare say anything that isn't pro-immigration or pro-EU for the last 30 years. Now people are finally questioning if the ones doing the shouting are the real bigots we get "Aha you're doing it as well now!". Yeah probably because any reasonable argument has been shouted down every time.
You need to try to actually make some coherent arguments for your case. That's if there actually are any and not just abuse for those that disagree with your point of view.
Have a think about whether writing off millions of people as scum just because "you've seen what their type is like down the pub" is bigoted or not. If someone applied the same logic to a racial group then what would you call that person? [Post edited 21 Nov 2014 18:30]
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A passionate post, but what exactly are you not allowed to say? Unless you are inciting racial hatred, which is against the law, I believe you are free to voice most opinions and would fight for your right to do so, and I'm way to the left. Allow me to paraphrase a quote. 'I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it to say it with my life.' | | | |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 19:05 - Nov 21 with 625 views | barabajagal |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 19:00 - Nov 21 by barabajagal |
A passionate post, but what exactly are you not allowed to say? Unless you are inciting racial hatred, which is against the law, I believe you are free to voice most opinions and would fight for your right to do so, and I'm way to the left. Allow me to paraphrase a quote. 'I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it to say it with my life.' |
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
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| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 19:11 - Nov 21 with 619 views | Discodroids |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 19:05 - Nov 21 by barabajagal |
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
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"chicken pie dorothy ??"
jim @eastenders. [Post edited 21 Nov 2014 19:17]
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| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 19:20 - Nov 21 with 613 views | Clive_Anderson |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 19:00 - Nov 21 by barabajagal |
A passionate post, but what exactly are you not allowed to say? Unless you are inciting racial hatred, which is against the law, I believe you are free to voice most opinions and would fight for your right to do so, and I'm way to the left. Allow me to paraphrase a quote. 'I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it to say it with my life.' |
I never mentioned anything being against the law, I said that the entire debate has been poisoned for the last 30 years by people shouting racist. Which it has.
Although you can try and pretend this hasn't happened by making straw man arguments about what is or isn't against the law which entirely misses the point. | | | |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 19:50 - Nov 21 with 600 views | barabajagal |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 19:20 - Nov 21 by Clive_Anderson |
I never mentioned anything being against the law, I said that the entire debate has been poisoned for the last 30 years by people shouting racist. Which it has.
Although you can try and pretend this hasn't happened by making straw man arguments about what is or isn't against the law which entirely misses the point. |
Ok, fair enough. | | | |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 19:58 - Nov 21 with 597 views | QPR_Jim |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 14:31 - Nov 21 by Discodroids |
i put it to you ladies and gentleman of the jury we are confronted with a clear case of tomfoolery most foul.a compelling case indeed..........
that report produced by the geezer of academia in tweed who said EU immigration is a massive net benefit to the country OF 2O Billion, then buried in the report saying that non eu immigration has cost the uk a mere 118 billion, since 1992
the very same brainiac who predicted that 13,000 would come here from poland.
i wouldnt employ him putting up shelves for bog roll in my shithouse.
the prosecution rests m'lud, take this man away , and may lord have mercy upon his soul...(queue Crown Court theme tune...) [Post edited 21 Nov 2014 14:33]
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Well seeing as UKIP's main policy is to get out of the EU due to the immigration caused by the of freedom of movement I think the net benefit of EU immigration is far more relative than the net loss of non EU immigration. We won't have to leave the EU to remedy that situation.
Immigration isn't a massive issue in Rochester and Strood, I think the Medway Hospital is a far bigger problem. Transport and the Medway tunnel is another local issue that needs addressing. It seems fear mongering about immigration is enough to get Mark Reckless re-elected despite the fact this is what he did last time the good people of Rochester and Strood elected him... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10590725
Truth is the biggest problem facing the residence of Rochester and Strood is that non of the candidates were worth electing. |  | | |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 21:22 - Nov 21 with 559 views | ShotKneesHoop |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 19:05 - Nov 21 by barabajagal |
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
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You might think that SWP is a trifle unfortunate, however, I think he's a useless, mercenary, talentless, can't be arsed Shyte hawk.
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| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 23:10 - Nov 21 with 501 views | easthertsr |
| Will immigration be the determining factor in the general election? on 18:28 - Nov 21 by Clive_Anderson |
The left have been screaming racist at anyone that dare say anything that isn't pro-immigration or pro-EU for the last 30 years. Now people are finally questioning if the ones doing the shouting are the real bigots we get "Aha you're doing it as well now!". Yeah probably because any reasonable argument has been shouted down every time.
You need to try to actually make some coherent arguments for your case. That's if there actually are any and not just abuse for those that disagree with your point of view.
Have a think about whether writing off millions of people as scum just because "you've seen what their type is like down the pub" is bigoted or not. If someone applied the same logic to a racial group then what would you call that person? [Post edited 21 Nov 2014 18:30]
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When did I call anyone scum? Abuse? On another thread on here, people with my point of view are described as leftie cnts. how's that for abuse? I didn't actually say anywhere that all people who want to limit immigration are racist. What I said was, that there is UNDENIABLY a large number of racists in our society, all of whom would like to 'send the blacks back', if you think that is not the real state of affairs then you are seriously deluded! They are a blot on our society that should not exist in the year 2014. Have I written anywhere that I 'wrote millions of people off, because I've seen what there type is like down the pub'? NO! The Wealthy and the Powerful laugh at those who do their work for them, just keep worrying about immigration, the EU etc. etc. they will just keep maintaining their privilege over us while you do so! | | | |
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