| Posting responses to threads. 14:14 - Nov 26 with 13176 views | pomanjou |
Its getting more like the old East Germany. In addition to not being able to discuss many current affairs on this board the guvnor is now locking threads on the basis of them being pathetic.
At the same time foul and abusive language flourishes despite it being offensive to many
and extreme adjectivial excess is on the up.
Whatever is the world coming to?
I'm just off to 'the imitation game' (Enigma) for a bit of enlightenment. |  |
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| Posting responses to threads. on 13:03 - Nov 27 with 1748 views | Clive_Anderson |
"I've had two e-mails this week from people saying they're no longer going to use the site because of the racial undertones to it, and when there was a thread on qpr.org about this site a couple of weeks ago the general perception of it was that it was a great site but the message board was compared to a BNP pub."
So basically the usual lefty bleating trying to close down all conversation on topics they don't like. And it still works it seems.
Plus c'est change. |  | | |
| Posting responses to threads. on 14:13 - Nov 27 with 1666 views | Northernr |
| Posting responses to threads. on 13:03 - Nov 27 by Clive_Anderson |
"I've had two e-mails this week from people saying they're no longer going to use the site because of the racial undertones to it, and when there was a thread on qpr.org about this site a couple of weeks ago the general perception of it was that it was a great site but the message board was compared to a BNP pub."
So basically the usual lefty bleating trying to close down all conversation on topics they don't like. And it still works it seems.
Plus c'est change. |
And usual rightie bleating about the usual lefties.
This is why I delete them. Repetitive, juvenile and boring. |  | | |
| Posting responses to threads. on 14:23 - Nov 27 with 1632 views | Clive_Anderson |
| Posting responses to threads. on 14:13 - Nov 27 by Northernr |
And usual rightie bleating about the usual lefties.
This is why I delete them. Repetitive, juvenile and boring. |
So nothing to do with racial undertones and BNP comparisons at all then. | | | |
| Posting responses to threads. on 14:27 - Nov 27 with 1619 views | Northernr |
| Posting responses to threads. on 14:23 - Nov 27 by Clive_Anderson |
So nothing to do with racial undertones and BNP comparisons at all then. |
Nah that as well. I'm not having it. Do not want to run a site that is associated with that sort of stuff. Plenty of other places it can be discussed, not happening on here.
It's very clear that the tone of the board has changed, and the people posting on here have changed. Some very valued posters who used to contribute some great stuff have simply given up on the place. I used to read this forum and be quite proud that it was more in depth and well through through, dare I say more intelligent, than most other football forums. It's gone off in a different direction dragging its knuckles and shedding posters as it's gone and I'm not having it any more.
This should not, under any circumstances, be a place where anybody feels initimidated or uncomfortable as a visitor or poster. We all have a responsibility to ensure that is the case, even if that means your political view - which is clearly so terribly important it simply must be aired on a football message board at every possible opportunity and anybody obstructing that right is a vile censor complicit in creeping Sharia law - doesn't happen on here any more.
Posters leaving = fewer advertisers. Fewer advertisers = less revenue. Less revenue = eventually no site.
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| Posting responses to threads. on 14:39 - Nov 27 with 1582 views | Clive_Anderson |
| Posting responses to threads. on 14:27 - Nov 27 by Northernr |
Nah that as well. I'm not having it. Do not want to run a site that is associated with that sort of stuff. Plenty of other places it can be discussed, not happening on here.
It's very clear that the tone of the board has changed, and the people posting on here have changed. Some very valued posters who used to contribute some great stuff have simply given up on the place. I used to read this forum and be quite proud that it was more in depth and well through through, dare I say more intelligent, than most other football forums. It's gone off in a different direction dragging its knuckles and shedding posters as it's gone and I'm not having it any more.
This should not, under any circumstances, be a place where anybody feels initimidated or uncomfortable as a visitor or poster. We all have a responsibility to ensure that is the case, even if that means your political view - which is clearly so terribly important it simply must be aired on a football message board at every possible opportunity and anybody obstructing that right is a vile censor complicit in creeping Sharia law - doesn't happen on here any more.
Posters leaving = fewer advertisers. Fewer advertisers = less revenue. Less revenue = eventually no site.
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It seems to be easy to delete a thread and then claim the people were "disgusting knuckle dragging BNP scum" as you've just deleted the evidence that it was nothing like that at all.
I remember a particular thread a while ago that got deleted and 3 people on the other side of the argument PM'd me saying it was a shame as it was a decent and reasonable debate. Meanwhile you posted that half the people on there were basically racist c@nts and should fark off.
No one could ask what exactly you objected to because you'd deleted the whole thing for being so "disgusting".
Edit. In reply to your edit "This should not, under any circumstances, be a place where anybody feels initimidated or uncomfortable as a visitor or poster."
Calling people BNP for no reason is pretty much this definition right here.
"even if that means your political view - which is clearly so terribly important it simply must be aired on a football message board at every possible opportunity"
If you don't want political views aired then fair enough let people know, add it to the rules of the site and clarify things. But it seems to be completely ok unless it clashes with your particular views on the matter when it seems fine to just delete them and then chuck some abuse and inneundo on some posters as a group without backing it up with names and examples to allow a right or reply . [Post edited 27 Nov 2014 14:45]
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| Posting responses to threads. on 14:45 - Nov 27 with 1563 views | Northernr |
"basically racist c@nts and should fark off."
I said that did I? Must sack that ghost writer.
It's a football board at the end of the day. I'm much more relaxed about discussions of other topics than some other sites, where threads get moved into other 'rooms' or have to be labelled NON QPR and so on, but I've made a decision that threads on immigration, racial tension and topics along similar lines are almost always going to be deleted because...
1 - they have garnered the site a reputation that I don't want it to have.
2 - they have driven a lot of posters a way, and put off new ones
3 - they always involve the same dozen or so, split equally on both sides, making the same points they've always made, over and over and over again.
Now if you like, we can keep having this chat. Threads can appear, I can delete them, another thread can appear calling me this and that, and we can repeat.
Or we could be grown up about it. Accept that this is the decision that has been made and either use another message board if you don't like it, or continue to use this one within the rules it's run by.
Oh and as for "clashes with your particular views on the matter" - you haven't got the first fcking clue about my views on this issue because I've never expressed them here.
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| Posting responses to threads. on 14:46 - Nov 27 with 1553 views | simmo |
'This should not, under any circumstances, be a place where anybody feels initimidated or uncomfortable as a visitor or poster'
I think this is the most important thing to remember, if I were in charge I would happily delete anything I felt contradicted this. As it happens I think this site has gone from a very very lightly moderated board to a little more frequently moderated board. Considering the constant in that has been the moderator I would suggest that's more down to the posters than the admin.
We all jump straight on board with the fact it's a community club, it should be the same on this board. I am guilty of being a bit too personal or emotional myself, so I often go back and modify things once I have calmed and wouldn't have a problem with Clive deleting or moderating on my behalf. We have all read the reports, previews, etc. So I think we can generally agree that he's not an unreasonable ego maniac. |  |
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| Posting responses to threads. on 14:51 - Nov 27 with 1534 views | Clive_Anderson |
| Posting responses to threads. on 14:45 - Nov 27 by Northernr |
"basically racist c@nts and should fark off."
I said that did I? Must sack that ghost writer.
It's a football board at the end of the day. I'm much more relaxed about discussions of other topics than some other sites, where threads get moved into other 'rooms' or have to be labelled NON QPR and so on, but I've made a decision that threads on immigration, racial tension and topics along similar lines are almost always going to be deleted because...
1 - they have garnered the site a reputation that I don't want it to have.
2 - they have driven a lot of posters a way, and put off new ones
3 - they always involve the same dozen or so, split equally on both sides, making the same points they've always made, over and over and over again.
Now if you like, we can keep having this chat. Threads can appear, I can delete them, another thread can appear calling me this and that, and we can repeat.
Or we could be grown up about it. Accept that this is the decision that has been made and either use another message board if you don't like it, or continue to use this one within the rules it's run by.
Oh and as for "clashes with your particular views on the matter" - you haven't got the first fcking clue about my views on this issue because I've never expressed them here.
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Yes comparing people to the BNP and calling them racists which encourages a load of posters hiding behind your skirt saying "I wish they would all f@ck off" (these messages never seem to get deleted for some reason) is essentially saying that.
If it is a rule then fair enough, it's your site etc. But a couple of points
1) I had no idea this was a rule, where is this mentioned?
2) If you're trying to be grown up then calling a load of people racist without anything whatsoever to back it up is probably not helping very much.
"Oh and as for "clashes with your particular views on the matter" - you haven't got the first fcking clue about my views on this issue because I've never expressed them here."
I would say that deleting a thread and then criticising one side of an argument is indeed showing a view on a matter. [Post edited 27 Nov 2014 14:56]
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| Posting responses to threads. on 14:55 - Nov 27 with 1521 views | Northernr |
| Posting responses to threads. on 14:51 - Nov 27 by Clive_Anderson |
Yes comparing people to the BNP and calling them racists which encourages a load of posters hiding behind your skirt saying "I wish they would all f@ck off" (these messages never seem to get deleted for some reason) is essentially saying that.
If it is a rule then fair enough, it's your site etc. But a couple of points
1) I had no idea this was a rule, where is this mentioned?
2) If you're trying to be grown up then calling a load of people racist without anything whatsoever to back it up is probably not helping very much.
"Oh and as for "clashes with your particular views on the matter" - you haven't got the first fcking clue about my views on this issue because I've never expressed them here."
I would say that deleting a thread and then criticising one side of an argument is indeed showing a view on a matter. [Post edited 27 Nov 2014 14:56]
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Right well there it is, it's been mentioned now. I would have thought every thread on those subjects being very deliberately deleted might have been signal enough but apparently not.
The BNP comparison was from another site talking about this one. | | | |
| Posting responses to threads. on 15:00 - Nov 27 with 1501 views | Rangersw12 |
| Posting responses to threads. on 14:55 - Nov 27 by Northernr |
Right well there it is, it's been mentioned now. I would have thought every thread on those subjects being very deliberately deleted might have been signal enough but apparently not.
The BNP comparison was from another site talking about this one. |
To be fair it was only one person who said about the BNP
From what I have seen the majority of other sites just think this site is stuck up it's own arse | | | |
| Posting responses to threads. on 15:02 - Nov 27 with 1492 views | Clive_Anderson |
| Posting responses to threads. on 14:55 - Nov 27 by Northernr |
Right well there it is, it's been mentioned now. I would have thought every thread on those subjects being very deliberately deleted might have been signal enough but apparently not.
The BNP comparison was from another site talking about this one. |
Ok fair enough so immigration and Sue Perkins are on the banned list.
"The BNP comparison was from another site talking about this one.", if you didn't have any sympathy with that view then you wouldn't have mentioned it on here. And you've said plenty of things along those lines before. | | | |
| Posting responses to threads. on 15:04 - Nov 27 with 1482 views | Northernr |
| Posting responses to threads. on 15:00 - Nov 27 by Rangersw12 |
To be fair it was only one person who said about the BNP
From what I have seen the majority of other sites just think this site is stuck up it's own arse |
That's fine, I can deal with that. | | | |
| Posting responses to threads. on 15:08 - Nov 27 with 1461 views | pomanjou |
Clive and Clive having a nice ding dong, definitely not pathetic. I do hope there are no banning orders, evictions, lock downs, removals etc in the offing. | |
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| Posting responses to threads. on 15:15 - Nov 27 with 1432 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| Posting responses to threads. on 15:02 - Nov 27 by Clive_Anderson |
Ok fair enough so immigration and Sue Perkins are on the banned list.
"The BNP comparison was from another site talking about this one.", if you didn't have any sympathy with that view then you wouldn't have mentioned it on here. And you've said plenty of things along those lines before. |
I don't involve myself as much politically on here as I used to on dot.org (not .org, 2 different sites, splitters!), but on when where I did some people ended up saying that Internment should be brought in for Muslims!
In view of Clive's (northernr not Anderson obvs) admirable desire for people to feel comfortable posting on here I'd suggest that he sees things like that as something that could make a Muslim r feel very uncomfortable. I know if I was a Muslim I'd find it very threatening and unpleasant.
I know a Muslim's feelings may not be top of everyone's agenda but you know ...ultimately we're all one consciousness experiencng itself in a false reality of individual separation and that. Let love rule. |  | | |
| Posting responses to threads. on 15:29 - Nov 27 with 1354 views | YorkRanger |
I think the easy answer here is that if people do not like the way Clive moderates this board then they should cease to use it and go elsewhere. As has been said the fact that this has moved from a lightly moderated board to one which needs much closer control and supervision tells its own story.
In addition (and to be clear I don't know Clive from Adam) it can hardly be much fun when he is away and cant get on to the board, to be worrying about what nonsense is being said that may need deleting.
LFW does seem a less grown up place these days. That can't be for the better |  | | |
| Posting responses to threads. on 15:46 - Nov 27 with 1303 views | EastR |
I’m glad this subject has been brought up for discussion, for a while I thought it was just me.
There was a time (not that long ago) when almost without exception every thread on this forum was of interest. Or at the very least, worth a look.
Increasingly in the last few months I’ve found myself a less frequent visitor, and at least half of the threads wouldn’t don’t bother going anywhere near now because of the prevalence and pattern of opinions expressed that have become more prominent in that time.
In the past it was much easier to ignore some of the less savoury views expressed, but lately the overall profile makes that increasingly difficult to do.
If there is a place on the internet for the assortment of ill conceived, prejudiced, paranoid, jingoistic and fatuous views of some that are expressed here, then most certainly a football forum is not it. | |
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| Posting responses to threads. on 15:58 - Nov 27 with 1270 views | WokingR |
"LFW does seem a less grown up place these days. That can't be for the better "
It all started to go wrong when they banned tits on a Friday  |  | | |
| Posting responses to threads. on 16:00 - Nov 27 with 1259 views | QPunkR |
| Posting responses to threads. on 15:58 - Nov 27 by WokingR |
"LFW does seem a less grown up place these days. That can't be for the better "
It all started to go wrong when they banned tits on a Friday |
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| Posting responses to threads. on 16:06 - Nov 27 with 1238 views | simmo |
| Posting responses to threads. on 15:58 - Nov 27 by WokingR |
"LFW does seem a less grown up place these days. That can't be for the better "
It all started to go wrong when they banned tits on a Friday |
Apparently a lot of those tits were banned everyday, so they've gone back to Fantasy Island | |
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| Posting responses to threads. on 16:10 - Nov 27 with 1212 views | Discodroids |
fk me Clive , its the annual 'Purge'.
can someone put Ertha kitts LFW chiwawa back in its box, or at the very least release it into the wild and let nature run its course.
where it can yelp progressive threads of highbrow enlightenment such as 'whats your favourite kfc krushem' thus imparting left leaning particles of insight to small woodland animals, roadkill and rabbits riddled with myxomatosis. [Post edited 27 Nov 2014 16:47]
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| Posting responses to threads. on 16:14 - Nov 27 with 1204 views | Jamie |
So in summary, people are upset they can't argue over politics. On a football forum. | | | |
| Posting responses to threads. on 16:28 - Nov 27 with 1165 views | loftboy |
Clive's been running this site since he was about 20, that's one hell of a commitment, before he took over the board went into unmoderated meltdown, since then it's been the only message board I use all the time, I've made a lot of good friends off here and sadly as Clive says a good few no longer post, Bazwot being the most notable ( over 10000 posts to his name).
Maybe I'm getting older but there's a few newbies on here who need to learn some manners imho who's should find out a little bit about the posters who they are abusing! |  |
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| Posting responses to threads. on 16:38 - Nov 27 with 1130 views | EalingRanger |
| Posting responses to threads. on 14:13 - Nov 27 by Northernr |
And usual rightie bleating about the usual lefties.
This is why I delete them. Repetitive, juvenile and boring. |
Agreed, I always thought we were here to discuss football... |  | | |
| Posting responses to threads. on 16:39 - Nov 27 with 1128 views | TheBlob |
I think Adel is fab.
And Niko has wondeful thighs.
There you go. |  |
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| Posting responses to threads. on 16:39 - Nov 27 with 1128 views | paulparker |
| Posting responses to threads. on 16:28 - Nov 27 by loftboy |
Clive's been running this site since he was about 20, that's one hell of a commitment, before he took over the board went into unmoderated meltdown, since then it's been the only message board I use all the time, I've made a lot of good friends off here and sadly as Clive says a good few no longer post, Bazwot being the most notable ( over 10000 posts to his name).
Maybe I'm getting older but there's a few newbies on here who need to learn some manners imho who's should find out a little bit about the posters who they are abusing! |
no doubt clive does a great job on here, fair play to him
I actually have to disagree with you Loftboy there is a lot of snobbery towards new members from some of the old guard ( Btw im not pointing the finger at you , as I mainly agree with a lot of what you contribute) York and EastR have pretty much confirmed that with their posts
maybe if there were less teenage girl strops and toys out the pram throwing then we could maybe have the other debates, sometimes some people on here lose all sense of their humour
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