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I have nothing to offer you but excuses, lame excuses, no blood, no sweat, no tears and no points. We will fight them at the Bush we will be surrender monkeys away from home.
I know which leader I would like to take me into battle.....
You will never see a PM with a send off like that in our lifetime again
a Great man indeed and an inspiration to millions through this country's darkest hours
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 16:22 - Jan 30 with 1539 views
My Grandad worked in the war rooms with him, when the declaration of the end of the war was done it was given to my Grandad to make photocopies for the Amercians and Russians. My Grandad spotted the date had been altered in ink from 7th May to 8th May 1945, and, with asked Winston Churchill if he would prefer the crossing out on the page photographically removed. Churchill replied “The Americans wanted the war to end on one date and the Russians wanted it to end on another, but I got my way, May 8th!” And thus the correction duly remained upon the historic document.
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I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 16:32 - Jan 30 with 1524 views
I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 16:22 - Jan 30 by daveB
My Grandad worked in the war rooms with him, when the declaration of the end of the war was done it was given to my Grandad to make photocopies for the Amercians and Russians. My Grandad spotted the date had been altered in ink from 7th May to 8th May 1945, and, with asked Winston Churchill if he would prefer the crossing out on the page photographically removed. Churchill replied “The Americans wanted the war to end on one date and the Russians wanted it to end on another, but I got my way, May 8th!” And thus the correction duly remained upon the historic document.
Good story that Dave, I bet your Granddad had a few tales considering the bloke had depression and managed to drink like a fish he was some leader , still puzzling how he lost the general election in 1945
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 16:36 - Jan 30 with 1519 views
I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 16:32 - Jan 30 by paulparker
Good story that Dave, I bet your Granddad had a few tales considering the bloke had depression and managed to drink like a fish he was some leader , still puzzling how he lost the general election in 1945
He does, article on my grandad here, apologies for the shameless link
I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 16:42 - Jan 30 by Discodroids
cheers dave
thank fu ck for that, i thought when i put this thread up 4 hours ago it was going to get less posts than deirdre barlow turning up her toes.
for those interested there was a very good drama /documentry on itv a few days ago @churchill 1oo days that saved britain' still on catch up.
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There was a great one last year Disco think on BBC 3 on how Churchill didn't want to invade France so early on in the war but instead go through Africa, Libya, Italy , malta and try to defeat the Germans that way it was only under intense pressure from the yanks that made him commit to D Day worth a look as it might be on BBC player
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 17:05 - Jan 30 with 1466 views
I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 16:32 - Jan 30 by paulparker
Good story that Dave, I bet your Granddad had a few tales considering the bloke had depression and managed to drink like a fish he was some leader , still puzzling how he lost the general election in 1945
It isn't really that puzzling. He thought he was going to walk it so barely tried. People wanted victory to mean something - vast swathes of the country lived in abject poverty. Attlee offered people something they wanted. Also, the Tories had been mired in muck throughout the 20s and 30s, they had a very poor image.
Finally, people found Churchill's comments about Labour bringing in their own gestapo in tremendously bad taste and soured his public image right before the election
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I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 19:21 - Jan 30 with 1403 views
I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 17:18 - Jan 30 by robith
It isn't really that puzzling. He thought he was going to walk it so barely tried. People wanted victory to mean something - vast swathes of the country lived in abject poverty. Attlee offered people something they wanted. Also, the Tories had been mired in muck throughout the 20s and 30s, they had a very poor image.
Finally, people found Churchill's comments about Labour bringing in their own gestapo in tremendously bad taste and soured his public image right before the election
says even more that he won it back off labour in 1951 aged 77
Of all the stories I've been told, Churchill was genuinely awe inspiring, Ian Holloway like for a nation
Dave that was cracking reading -- thanks for that.
You Sir, should be as proud as a peacock for that. Stirs my heart so it does that this broken country was once so great and filled with great men like your Grandad.
I still think you are a fool for supporting Saga Chops but I'd buy you a large glass of Haig Club (no ice) and a cigar any day to listen to stories handed down.
Salutes.
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
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I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 23:38 - Jan 30 with 1335 views
I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 16:42 - Jan 30 by Discodroids
cheers dave
thank fu ck for that, i thought when i put this thread up 4 hours ago it was going to get less posts than deirdre barlow turning up her toes.
for those interested there was a very good drama /documentry on itv a few days ago @churchill 1oo days that saved britain' still on catch up.
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If you prefer radio there's a good edition of "Great Lives" on him, recently repeated on R4Extra, probably still on Listen Again.
When he came back from failing to persuade the French to stay in the war, his ADC said not to get down as we could still win: Churchill told him that within a year they would both be dead. Note, there was no question of surrendering, he fully expected to literally go down fighting. A week or so later he gave his "Finest Hour" speech.
I always thought he gave that speech after the Battle of Britain, because it sounds appropriate, but he gave it beforehand - it wasn't congratulatory, it was saying "This is what we are going to have to do." Coming from a guy who thought it would probably involve his own death.
"Fight them on the beaches" is remembered as a great speech, but if you read it carefully it's actually a clear and factual statement of how the battle could be fought and won - it's not just a rallying cry, it's a plan. [And most analysts reckon it would have worked too, if Hitler had ever invaded.]
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I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 00:11 - Jan 31 with 1316 views
I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 00:11 - Jan 31 by Jigsore
that the economic upturn came a few months too late for Labour to be credited for it?
economic upturn Labour
in the same sentence!!!!!!!
all before my time
Churchill right man to lead nation during war but not the peace afterwards read somewhere Churchill dealt with all the war affairsof govenment and left his deputy attlee to run the home affairs front so when war ended people choosed attlee as he was more in touch with their needs and rightly so
amazing life made loads of mistakes but spotted the evil of hitler and the Nazis long before most and saw though stalin and his iron curtain
my favourite touch was his wreath for king George At the King's funeral, attached to the Government's wreath was a card on which Churchill had written - 'For Valour'. George was never meant to be king least of all during its darkest hour the stress of it all aged him and killed him before his time
I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 20:04 - Jan 30 by Lblock
Dave that was cracking reading -- thanks for that.
You Sir, should be as proud as a peacock for that. Stirs my heart so it does that this broken country was once so great and filled with great men like your Grandad.
I still think you are a fool for supporting Saga Chops but I'd buy you a large glass of Haig Club (no ice) and a cigar any day to listen to stories handed down.
Salutes.
in my defence I don't really support Redknapp, if what the club are saying about developing players etc is true then it's time to change it now and get in a manager who will do that, sadly what they say and do is very different so whilst they continue to act like lunatics with one more signing the answer to everything then Redknapp is perfect for that kind of club
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I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 08:54 - Jan 31 with 1230 views
I have nothing to offer you but blood, toil, tears..... on 23:38 - Jan 30 by CiderwithRsie
If you prefer radio there's a good edition of "Great Lives" on him, recently repeated on R4Extra, probably still on Listen Again.
When he came back from failing to persuade the French to stay in the war, his ADC said not to get down as we could still win: Churchill told him that within a year they would both be dead. Note, there was no question of surrendering, he fully expected to literally go down fighting. A week or so later he gave his "Finest Hour" speech.
I always thought he gave that speech after the Battle of Britain, because it sounds appropriate, but he gave it beforehand - it wasn't congratulatory, it was saying "This is what we are going to have to do." Coming from a guy who thought it would probably involve his own death.
"Fight them on the beaches" is remembered as a great speech, but if you read it carefully it's actually a clear and factual statement of how the battle could be fought and won - it's not just a rallying cry, it's a plan. [And most analysts reckon it would have worked too, if Hitler had ever invaded.]
cheers cider, will catch up with that.
the more i learn about this great , great man , the more i am in awe of him.
there was also a drama documentry with the magnificent brendan gleeson playing churchill, ' into the storm', which is also very good, as is the BBC 'Dunkirk' dramatisation.
the german grenade scene at 38 mins followed by churchill addressing his cabinet should be noted.
im currently reading loads of material on the occupation of the channel islands, which fascinates me. so close to home.
it brings me great joy to see people make petty, snide political comments about him, for thats the very reason so many gave their lives , freedom of speech and from tyranny .
quite, quite wonderful.
gives me a glow that not even fkn nick clegg on ready breck directing operations in the battle of britain war room could muster.
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"...The monkey is never dead, Dealer. The monkey never dies. When you kick him off, he just hides in a corner, waiting his turn."