| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. 10:09 - Mar 28 with 23789 views | Discodroids |
apologies i couldnt sort out the colours on this. i just thought i should put the 3 main parties first. i know ive missed respect among other s, just couldnt fit them in so no bias intended.
glenn
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 12:21 - Mar 30 with 1516 views | Discodroids |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 12:07 - Mar 30 by Jamie |
Through your drug/alcohol induced haze you've actually -nperhaps unwittingly - agreed with what I said. |
your getting personal jamie. dont do it.
drug/alcohol haze??
im a probation officer mate , 47, with 3 children and support cf charity, extensively and ive never insulted you.
if you want to get personal that can be arranged, at your convenience and off the menu.
like so many, you think we support ukip because we like to stick it to the man.
wrong .we use our frontal lobes and brain stems the same way as you do and come to a different conclusion thats all.
bringing my past drug use into it highlights MY point , as you say,' unwittingly.' [Post edited 30 Mar 2015 12:26]
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 12:44 - Mar 30 with 1461 views | runningman75 |
Voted Lib Dems last time. Clegg deceived everyone and they will be decimated in the vote. Likely to hold my nose and vote Labour . Though like to see more done on immigration not just systems such as Australia have with proper work visas but clobbering rich oligarchs who seem to be buying London at present. |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 12:46 - Mar 30 with 1457 views | Jamie |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 12:21 - Mar 30 by Discodroids |
your getting personal jamie. dont do it.
drug/alcohol haze??
im a probation officer mate , 47, with 3 children and support cf charity, extensively and ive never insulted you.
if you want to get personal that can be arranged, at your convenience and off the menu.
like so many, you think we support ukip because we like to stick it to the man.
wrong .we use our frontal lobes and brain stems the same way as you do and come to a different conclusion thats all.
bringing my past drug use into it highlights MY point , as you say,' unwittingly.' [Post edited 30 Mar 2015 12:26]
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Don't think I was being particularly personal, and I had/have no knowledge of your past or current life.
Was merely pointing out that you had spectacularly failed to notice that you were agreeing with my point.
Should you wish a genuine discussion about UKIP that is possible.
My first question would have to be though, other than their nonsensical 'policy' of leaving the EU but demanding to retain all of the privileges of EU trade, what policies of theirs do you support? | | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 12:50 - Mar 30 with 1450 views | daveB |
I find the rise in UKIP quite scary. Farage has done a great job and seeing him this morning on GMTV as the hosts tried to ridicule him he came out of it very well.
When you look at their policies no way would I vote for them but the Channel 4 doc and the media push to call anyone who votes for them a racist is going to work the other way and make people vote for them.
No idea who I'll vote for though, of the two main parties neither of them look any good |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 12:55 - Mar 30 with 1439 views | Discodroids |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 12:46 - Mar 30 by Jamie |
Don't think I was being particularly personal, and I had/have no knowledge of your past or current life.
Was merely pointing out that you had spectacularly failed to notice that you were agreeing with my point.
Should you wish a genuine discussion about UKIP that is possible.
My first question would have to be though, other than their nonsensical 'policy' of leaving the EU but demanding to retain all of the privileges of EU trade, what policies of theirs do you support? |
WELL.... you played a drug and alcohol card upon my table, thus branding me a druggie and alkie. was it a guess??. ive never used any insulting careless words in your direction
btw, this isnt a dicodroid thread my dear boy its a poll.
im not your stepping stone or your muse or your wonder wall. i have made myself abundantly clear many times over as to why i will be polishing nigels hand stitched brouges in may as well as gathering labours cut off nuts in a kilner jar.
i certainly wont be questioned by someone who accuses me of being in a drug haze at 12 olcock on a monday lunchtime.
ive realised ,jamie, in my extensive rich and varied life in the harsh dodo of life, that people blame everyone but themselves when they fimd themselves in circumstances thier not happy with.
i know i did for 2o years as a reinsurance broker in lloyds of london addicted to cocaine.
i stopped taking drugs and i stopped blaming everyone else, AND, if my ship has sailed i wont be blaming it on a lighthearted straw poll on a football message board.
good day to you sir. [Post edited 30 Mar 2015 13:08]
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:01 - Mar 30 with 1431 views | robith |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 19:49 - Mar 28 by TheBlob |
So 1 in 3 of the electorate are lunatics and racists?Everything seemed quite normal when I went down to Morrisons this afternoon,certainly no foam or Klansmen in evidence. |
Racism is far more insidious that ostentatious outward displays |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:04 - Mar 30 with 1415 views | derbyhoop |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 09:47 - Mar 30 by AgedR |
People are more likely to vote for UKIP if they are repeatedly told that they would be stupid and ignorant to do so.
In my opinion the left's patronising approach to UKIP has been totally wrong. Respect them, scrutinise policies not personalities or prejudices and let people make there own minds up. |
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They said that withdrawing from the EU and slashing foreign aid would save 15-18billion, which they would spend raising personal allowances to £15,000.
They said that they would introduce a points system for immigrants.
They promised to spend 2% of GDP on defence, including replacements for Trident.
I'm sure they backtracked on Farage's wish to see people fund healthcare via insurance - like the Americans do, but 20% of them cannot afford.
I'm not aware of any policies regarding law and order, education, social security, pensions, employment.
I'd be interested to see if they have run any of their financial policies through any one of the economic models. Withdrawing from the EU is likely to hit the jobs of 3-4m people whose companies are dependent on EU exports. That includes Nissan, Toyota, and Honda, who, within a couple of years could withdraw from the UK and set up elsewhere. Have they budgeted for a decrease in exports, an increase in unemployment and reduction in economic growth. Where our companies do sell into the EU, they will be subject to EU regulations over which we will have no influence. And UK nationals will find it a lot harder to get work in other EU countries - as I did for 18 months.
Reducing foreign aid will hit the UKs influence in the world and much of it comes back as inward investment or purchase of British goods and services.
Immigration - closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. 25% of last years immigrants came from outside the EU, including Chinese students, American financiers and businessmen, Indian doctors, Asian nurses, etc. |  |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:07 - Mar 30 with 1401 views | TheBlob |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:01 - Mar 30 by robith |
Racism is far more insidious that ostentatious outward displays |
Yeah,know what you mean.The constant waving of the race card is getting a bit insidious. |  |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:11 - Mar 30 with 1380 views | DWQPR |
Have a gut feeling that this election will start to pan out the way the '92 election did. If anybody remembers the polls had Labour under Kinnock slightly ahead all the way up until polling day. The Tories got back in with a 21 majority. Not saying that the Tories will get a majority this time, but reckon that they will end up as the biggest party with a 5-6% point lead over Labour based on three things.
1. People generally aren't doing too badly after the financial crisis, in comparison where they felt they might have been.
2. People still do not trust Miliband and trust him far less than they trust Cameron.
3. Tories do tend not to express their true feelings to pollsters as much as Labour voters.
I also suspect that when push comes to shove, those who have voted for UKIP previously will realise that a protest vote in this election will not warrant much and effect very little as it does for all of us in the Euro elections when quite frankly, not many of the general public gives a hoot about as the EU Parliament doesn't generally effect people's day to day lives as much as the UK government, or it seems it doesn't.
By the way I was spot on with my predictions for the Scottish Vote, and thought that the 'No' vote would win by 10%, despite polls suggesting a close run thing. People just don't like the unknown and the 'No' vote, just like my reasoning with Tories disclosing their views were much less vocal than the 'Yes' voters. | |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:13 - Mar 30 with 1372 views | Hoop_Du_Jour |
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people
"— UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas.
— UKIP opposes ‘plain paper packaging’ for tobacco products and minimum pricing of alcohol."
A fag and pint after work.... I'm in! |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:19 - Mar 30 with 1358 views | robith |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:07 - Mar 30 by TheBlob |
Yeah,know what you mean.The constant waving of the race card is getting a bit insidious. |
Thanks for providing a great example! "Race card" the idea that racism is a nonsense used by minorities for some ulterior motive and perceived societal benefit instead of a systemic brutal condition that limits the freedom and equality of all | | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:26 - Mar 30 with 1338 views | R_from_afar |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 20:10 - Mar 28 by BasingstokeR |
That Voteforpolicies site is interesting; just on policies and nationally its...
Labour - 27%
Green - 22%
Lib Dem - 21%
UKIP - 14%
Conservative - 13%
Other - 3% |
Policies? 
Aren't we legally required to vote for the one who has looked the least stupid in interviews? The one we would most like to play darts with down the juicer? The one who is best at sarcastically ridiculing his rivals?
Whatever next? Policies....
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:31 - Mar 30 with 1327 views | TheBlob |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:19 - Mar 30 by robith |
Thanks for providing a great example! "Race card" the idea that racism is a nonsense used by minorities for some ulterior motive and perceived societal benefit instead of a systemic brutal condition that limits the freedom and equality of all |
Here to help. | |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:33 - Mar 30 with 1317 views | Jamie |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 12:55 - Mar 30 by Discodroids |
WELL.... you played a drug and alcohol card upon my table, thus branding me a druggie and alkie. was it a guess??. ive never used any insulting careless words in your direction
btw, this isnt a dicodroid thread my dear boy its a poll.
im not your stepping stone or your muse or your wonder wall. i have made myself abundantly clear many times over as to why i will be polishing nigels hand stitched brouges in may as well as gathering labours cut off nuts in a kilner jar.
i certainly wont be questioned by someone who accuses me of being in a drug haze at 12 olcock on a monday lunchtime.
ive realised ,jamie, in my extensive rich and varied life in the harsh dodo of life, that people blame everyone but themselves when they fimd themselves in circumstances thier not happy with.
i know i did for 2o years as a reinsurance broker in lloyds of london addicted to cocaine.
i stopped taking drugs and i stopped blaming everyone else, AND, if my ship has sailed i wont be blaming it on a lighthearted straw poll on a football message board.
good day to you sir. [Post edited 30 Mar 2015 13:08]
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So in summary, you definitely aren't just voting UKIP to be different, but you won't (or can't) say why you actually are voting for them..
Seems legit.
As for your claims of repeated previous justification for voting UKIP, they will have passed me by as I usually ignore your posts as I'm sure many do mine. I merely asked as you have repeatedly stated in this thread a UKIP support and I wondered if you had any reasonable basis for it and/or knowledge of their policies. But your refusal to engage in discussion answers that pretty neatly. [Post edited 30 Mar 2015 13:36]
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:37 - Mar 30 with 1305 views | R_from_afar |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 21:13 - Mar 28 by stowmarketrange |
Maybe 1 in 3 people have had enough of the raw deal we seem to get from the EU?
Or maybe they've had enough of their towns and cities being turned into eastern European ghettos?
Neither of the previous governments did anything about stopping immigration because their hands were tied by Europe.
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"Maybe 1 in 3 people have had enough of the raw deal we seem to get from the EU?"
That may be many people's perception but research indicates that the EU actually benefits each UK household by up to £3,000 a year. The research is quoted not by a vegan socialist collective but the CBI....
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:39 - Mar 30 with 1301 views | Hunterhoop |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 09:47 - Mar 30 by AgedR |
People are more likely to vote for UKIP if they are repeatedly told that they would be stupid and ignorant to do so.
In my opinion the left's patronising approach to UKIP has been totally wrong. Respect them, scrutinise policies not personalities or prejudices and let people make there own minds up. |
An excellent point, AgedR.
I hate the way potential UKIP voters are labelled "evil" or "stupid" because they may end up supporting UKIP.
HOWEVER, I do not see how you can possibly consider voting UKIP when the vast majority of people who may vote UKIP don't know what their collective policies/ideology on welfare, education, health, environment, transport, the armed forces, etc, really is.
Even they, themselves, don't know as is evident by the wildly differing voices within their party and Farage even admitting their last manifesto was half baked and didn't cover all policy areas.
If someone reads their manifesto this time (and apologies if it's already out and some have!) and then goes "yep, that's for me", then that is entirely reasonable. It's what democracy is all about.
At least with Labour, Tories, and the Lib Dems, most of their policies in most of the policy areas are "generally" understood at a high level. I really don't know what Farage's plan is for anything but immigration - which I, personally, think he is completely wrong on - and social integration - where I think he's on the right lines. That stance is entirely reasonable, IMO. Immigration and social integration are two separate things.
This leads me on to a wider point that several have made. So few people actually understand their own beliefs and how they tie into the policies of the political parties. I know that may sound condescending, and perhaps it is, but I am adamant if you got people to complete any of these political ideology/policy surveys about their own beliefs, which then compare them to parties' policies, many would be shocked.
Equally I hate the misuse of the words "liberal" and "left". Most of us in the UK are "liberals". Take this simplistic definition (cheers Wikipedia):
"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. The former principle is stressed in classical liberalism while the latter is more evident in social liberalism.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programs such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, and international cooperation."
Anyone think that doesn't apply to them in the main??
Yet, everyone on the right and left complains about the "bloody liberals". My only qualification to definition above is I believe religion should be a private, not public affair, and therefore something you have freedom to in private, but you shouldn't have the right to publically pester or advertise others to join in with. Apart from that, I would say I'm a liberal.
And note liberals believe in general in "free markets". Economically, that is absolutely not a left wing stance. Yet, people confuse "left" and "liberals" all the bloody time.
The point is, everyone is entitled to believe in whatever political ideology they want to, in my opinion. A democracy gives them a vote to reflect that. The problem is far too few understand their own beliefs and how they match to the parties they're voting on.
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:45 - Mar 30 with 1288 views | R_from_afar |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:04 - Mar 30 by derbyhoop |
OK
They said that withdrawing from the EU and slashing foreign aid would save 15-18billion, which they would spend raising personal allowances to £15,000.
They said that they would introduce a points system for immigrants.
They promised to spend 2% of GDP on defence, including replacements for Trident.
I'm sure they backtracked on Farage's wish to see people fund healthcare via insurance - like the Americans do, but 20% of them cannot afford.
I'm not aware of any policies regarding law and order, education, social security, pensions, employment.
I'd be interested to see if they have run any of their financial policies through any one of the economic models. Withdrawing from the EU is likely to hit the jobs of 3-4m people whose companies are dependent on EU exports. That includes Nissan, Toyota, and Honda, who, within a couple of years could withdraw from the UK and set up elsewhere. Have they budgeted for a decrease in exports, an increase in unemployment and reduction in economic growth. Where our companies do sell into the EU, they will be subject to EU regulations over which we will have no influence. And UK nationals will find it a lot harder to get work in other EU countries - as I did for 18 months.
Reducing foreign aid will hit the UKs influence in the world and much of it comes back as inward investment or purchase of British goods and services.
Immigration - closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. 25% of last years immigrants came from outside the EU, including Chinese students, American financiers and businessmen, Indian doctors, Asian nurses, etc. |
Totally spot on re. withdrawing from the EU, thank you for saving me a lot of typing sir!
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. (n/t) on 14:00 - Mar 30 with 1270 views | Discodroids |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:33 - Mar 30 by Jamie |
So in summary, you definitely aren't just voting UKIP to be different, but you won't (or can't) say why you actually are voting for them..
Seems legit.
As for your claims of repeated previous justification for voting UKIP, they will have passed me by as I usually ignore your posts as I'm sure many do mine. I merely asked as you have repeatedly stated in this thread a UKIP support and I wondered if you had any reasonable basis for it and/or knowledge of their policies. But your refusal to engage in discussion answers that pretty neatly. [Post edited 30 Mar 2015 13:36]
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im ashamed to admit ive not noticed your existence until today.
congratulations .
discodroid is pleased . [Post edited 30 Mar 2015 14:27]
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:00 - Mar 30 with 1270 views | Discodroids |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:33 - Mar 30 by Jamie |
So in summary, you definitely aren't just voting UKIP to be different, but you won't (or can't) say why you actually are voting for them..
Seems legit.
As for your claims of repeated previous justification for voting UKIP, they will have passed me by as I usually ignore your posts as I'm sure many do mine. I merely asked as you have repeatedly stated in this thread a UKIP support and I wondered if you had any reasonable basis for it and/or knowledge of their policies. But your refusal to engage in discussion answers that pretty neatly. [Post edited 30 Mar 2015 13:36]
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dear oh dear, how tedious. The ten commandments of great LFW undergraduate..
1. discodroid posts a pisstake out of the labour party or responds to UKIP charges of 'racism', 'homophobia','misogyny' or 'gingerisim' by other posters
2.discodroid gets personal comment from poster usually 'racist', 'homophobic','misogyny' or 'gingerisim', druggie or alcoholic.
3.discodroid responds in kind
4. the poster requests discodroid ban from clive, somehow ignoring thier irony detector about to explode and is incredulous that their personal comment served like sue barker in a tu tu is returned at 140 mph roscoe tanner style.
5.poster places discodroid on ignore, then takes him off, then places him on, then off, then on.. or as many times as david lammy and dianne abott interview private school head teachers for their kids while telling you to dump yours in a class of 47 latvians and child soldiers from the congo
6. poster raises the bar and demands satisfaction from discodroid like a pistols at dawn micheal foot in buckskin , by delving into his loaded gun dirt chamber (or 6th form misty buff folder of revolutionary theories with cocteau twins /the fall stickers on it ) usually found in their public school tuck box.
7.discodroid informs the poster to retun to his judas priest poster on wall .subect matter female subjugation in leather) to expunge his thin, slightly acidic harry monk into a discarded fray bentos steak and ale pie tin(next to the garden peas and frozen mash)
8. im going to lunch
9. be back later
10. i'll say hello to the romanian beggar with no nose outside stratford primark for you.
ive said many times over jamie on these hallowed pages while i'll be voting for nigel luther farage . the funny thing is ive only seen metallica step up to the plate and admit it on here, but i can see the pie chart tells a different story.
now you still havent apologised for your druggie of alcoholic slur upon my good character.
our business, such as it is, is done sir.
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:06 - Mar 30 with 1251 views | batmanhoop |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:04 - Mar 30 by derbyhoop |
OK
They said that withdrawing from the EU and slashing foreign aid would save 15-18billion, which they would spend raising personal allowances to £15,000.
They said that they would introduce a points system for immigrants.
They promised to spend 2% of GDP on defence, including replacements for Trident.
I'm sure they backtracked on Farage's wish to see people fund healthcare via insurance - like the Americans do, but 20% of them cannot afford.
I'm not aware of any policies regarding law and order, education, social security, pensions, employment.
I'd be interested to see if they have run any of their financial policies through any one of the economic models. Withdrawing from the EU is likely to hit the jobs of 3-4m people whose companies are dependent on EU exports. That includes Nissan, Toyota, and Honda, who, within a couple of years could withdraw from the UK and set up elsewhere. Have they budgeted for a decrease in exports, an increase in unemployment and reduction in economic growth. Where our companies do sell into the EU, they will be subject to EU regulations over which we will have no influence. And UK nationals will find it a lot harder to get work in other EU countries - as I did for 18 months.
Reducing foreign aid will hit the UKs influence in the world and much of it comes back as inward investment or purchase of British goods and services.
Immigration - closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. 25% of last years immigrants came from outside the EU, including Chinese students, American financiers and businessmen, Indian doctors, Asian nurses, etc. |
closing the stable door after the horse is bolted, O I wish. Being in the EU we have absolutely no control on who we let in. As a 'lunatic and racist' as you so kindly call anyone with the temerity to vote UKIP, I''ll take great pleasure putting my X next to the Peoples Army candidate come May  | | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:21 - Mar 30 with 1206 views | Clive_Anderson |
"HOWEVER, I do not see how you can possibly consider voting UKIP when the vast majority of people who may vote UKIP don't know what their collective policies/ideology on welfare, education, health, environment, transport, the armed forces, etc, really is. "
You could say that about any party really. Let's take the Labour party. They mention introducing more immigraton controls and then call anyone else that says similar stuff as racist. They criticise every attempt the coalition made to cut spending whilst making no explanation of how they'd make the books balance themselves. Are they for the free market? Personal freedoms or more state interference? They talk up one set of policies and end up doing the opposite whilst admitting that "manifesto pledges are not subject to legitimate expectation".
The Tories are no better really, going on about the free market and then propping up house prices and banks at every opportunity.
Why everyone gets agitated when UKIP don't spell everything out perfectly when the parties who are actually going to make up the new government don't in the slightest either baffles me. Just seems another way to demonise them as the other methods haven't worked so far. | | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:21 - Mar 30 with 1204 views | essextaxiboy |
Do most people vote selfishly ? i.e what is best for them and their familys or vote for more social policy even if they will be worse off personally .
A straw poll of my passengers suggests that most vote for themselves ? |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:23 - Mar 30 with 1200 views | Hunterhoop |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 13:04 - Mar 30 by derbyhoop |
OK
They said that withdrawing from the EU and slashing foreign aid would save 15-18billion, which they would spend raising personal allowances to £15,000.
They said that they would introduce a points system for immigrants.
They promised to spend 2% of GDP on defence, including replacements for Trident.
I'm sure they backtracked on Farage's wish to see people fund healthcare via insurance - like the Americans do, but 20% of them cannot afford.
I'm not aware of any policies regarding law and order, education, social security, pensions, employment.
I'd be interested to see if they have run any of their financial policies through any one of the economic models. Withdrawing from the EU is likely to hit the jobs of 3-4m people whose companies are dependent on EU exports. That includes Nissan, Toyota, and Honda, who, within a couple of years could withdraw from the UK and set up elsewhere. Have they budgeted for a decrease in exports, an increase in unemployment and reduction in economic growth. Where our companies do sell into the EU, they will be subject to EU regulations over which we will have no influence. And UK nationals will find it a lot harder to get work in other EU countries - as I did for 18 months.
Reducing foreign aid will hit the UKs influence in the world and much of it comes back as inward investment or purchase of British goods and services.
Immigration - closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. 25% of last years immigrants came from outside the EU, including Chinese students, American financiers and businessmen, Indian doctors, Asian nurses, etc. |
And this links to my point.
Economically, almost all the evidence points towards immigrants helping the economy and Average Joe on the street rather than hindering him.
Voting to reduce immigration, which we can only do from Europe if we leave the EU, can only be justified from a social and not economical perspective. Well, you can argue it from an economical angle but, as I said, almost all evidence suggests reducing immigration will harm our economy and we should be encouraging it.
The real issue isn't "immigration" and Johnny Foreigner coming over here. The real issue is two fold: social integration (and how badly it's been handled over the last 20 years) and investment (or lack of) in infrastructure.
To grow we need both unskilled and skilled migrants. But to ensure we have enough hospitals, roads, railway lines, house, etc, we have to invest. This investment needs to be long term not short term. The govt hasn't done enough to encourage private firms or spend money itself to improve the infrastructure so we can better handle the native and migrant population, both of which are required to grow our economy. Part if that is down to the deficit and national debt and part is down to the short term mindset of govt. Labour really f*cked up not fixing the roof whilst the sun was shining, instead just going down the "consumer economy" approach of job creation in the public sector for the sake of job creation and consumer spending. That worked in the very short term but was an ultimate disaster. Any govt had to cut public sector expenditure and no one could do it on a 100% fair way. But we desperately needs to cut state costs so we can reinvest in infrastructure (which will indirectly create lots of jobs too). However, one area of the state will always lose out. It's tough and it's absolutely not straightforward. | | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:26 - Mar 30 with 1187 views | Clive_Anderson |
"Economically, almost all the evidence points towards immigrants helping the economy and Average Joe on the street rather than hindering him. "
No it doesn't. The latest report from the most immigration friendly academic they could get (the same one that claimed only 10,000 Poles were going to come to the UK) estimated that the EU immigration adds £4bn to the economy whilst non-EU immigration has costs £120bn.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-out
Also that report didn't take into account the fact that most immigrants are of working age that will eventually need looking after in old age. Nor the social implications such as increased house prices, strain on infrastructure and problems with integration. | | | |
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