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So Benny the Super Yoof coach has deigned that the club will religiously play 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-3 Clearly this system can work if your full backs are quality and the midfield 3 work like Trojans plus have pace and physique.
Now sometimes you'll come up against spirited well drilled sides who may play 3-5-2 and work their nads off. A team like maybe Carlisle.
So if your midfielders and front three include: A lazy fooker like JET The total plank who is WC rotating with the aforementioned JET and running into players like a bluebottle on a double glazed window An immobile poor player like Oscar Goeburn A raw and rash player like Doughty A right footed striker Reece-Cox playing left of the 2 / 3
....then I'm sorry but you're going to be in trouble I don't blame the players except JET, all the rest did actually try (although Doughty allowed their player to completely lose him for the second). It's embarrassing that our players, no matter age or experience, could not make Benny the Super Yoof Coach's system work but like I say I don't blame them, the man in the straight jacket set them up and they're not suited to it. He doggedly refused to acknowledge that Polter was being eaten up by Carlisles three and when he did win aimless punts he was isolated. On re-starts Carlisles 3 simply stretched our front 3 out, sucked Polter in by a player dropping into each full back position and then our midfielders got caught betwixt and between leaving Carlisles 5 man midfield to dominate and move play up or choose to use the flanks where our fullbacks had no protection at all.
Benny only unfolded his arms to replace line for like subs and I could not believe he left John Thomas on -- Furlong looked awful as he had nothing in front of him helping (Note - I acknowledge John got the goal via a keeper error and did actually run at Carlisle 4 of 5 times but the man is a liability defensively and is deceptively slow). I'd of matched Carlisle up (embarrassing but needed) and maybe actually taken the game to them a bit more. The players don't look like they believe in Benny or his ideas, that or they are confused. I do also wonder if the word I heard tonight that Benny has developed a very aloof manner since appointed has any weight -- it would explain a lot about the man.
Okay we lost again to a lower league team in the cup. I'm somewhat used to that. I'm more concerned at yet another brace conceded and how Benny's stubborn inflexible approach and, to coin his phrase "game management" will play out to December. Once Austin and Phillips go we have a big issue. If I was Bungle and is just banked c£23mill for those two I'd need convincing that targets to replace them are more Chery than JET. Not sure I'd let our novices loose with anymore change in their pockets, but what to do?!?!?
Three year contracts are a wonderful thing aren't they?
I hear all the usual guff about time needed, that fcukin "gel" word and all that; but I've seen nothing from Benny to convince me he's the man to steady this peddlo or find still waters. He has shown me ineptitude, stubbornness, a bit of an old boys favour approach and also is so negative in persona it's unreal
Buckle up you bitches, this could get bumpy
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 07:54 - Aug 26 with 2121 views
The owners will not pour more money in. We have already played 2 games in 10 days. We need to give fringe players game time and we need to find out how / if these fringe players are good enough.
Disappointing to lose and not sure I agree with Ramsey that that would be a Championship team but I think he is right in saying they should have been good enough to win. We created lots of chances but failed to take them.
It happens. Doesn't make him the best or worst. Just a manager with a very very difficult job.
We are 6th in the table and with the new approach the owners are taking I can see Phillips and Austin going. Fer would have gone already if he had passed his medical.
In the circumstances we are doing ok.
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 07:56 - Aug 26 with 2117 views
Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 06:16 - Aug 26 by Lblock
Okay. So let me get this right. Benny is doing a fantastic job because in its early stages we're 6th in the league
So everybody's happy with:- Benny's fizzle out end to our Premiership tenure and the football we played The terrible pre-season we've had yet again The capitulation against Charlton 2nd half Throwing away a lucky two goal lead against the Taffs Almost doing exactly the same against the mighty Rotherham Last nights embarrassing display to Keith the Tactician Curle's world beating Carlisle
A common theme throughout the above has been Benny's inability to react to situations and inflexibility of team set ups. He doggedly persists with the shape he wants to play despite what's unfolding in front of him. The players look unfit, lethargic or simply demotivated in large spells of games -- not at all times, which is odd. His substitutions, or lack of them at times, make little or no sense and never seem to change the game in our favour.
The backstop to this is he's clearly a part of Bungle & Co.'s new ethos of football on the cheap. I never agreed with the millions being lavished and thought it scandalous that a club like ours should be spending £12mill on Samba and that's all come home to roost. If you're going down a consolidation and buy stop gaps / ones for the future route then backing the cheap option for 1st team manager was the wrong choice. Ramsey has a proven track record of being a man in the background developing players and pushing their cause for the 1st team squad. He has no match day experience and it shows up large. This means we've a double problem as we clearly need a man with his expertise at the club but we'll lose him when the inevitable axe swings. Typical QPR proactive planning
So you may think I'm talking shite or over reacting off the back of yet another pathetic cup exit (I'm not by the way -- only got ticket last night as cheap and may need loyalty points for away games); that's fine. Just show me where I'm wrong and I should be confident Benny is the man for the next 2 years and 7 months? Please don't use victories against Yeovil and mighty Rotherham as the foundation of your reason though!!
But, LBlock, take a step back and look at things objectively. At this stage, Ramsey is NOT doing the best job in the world, but then again, it's quite a long way from the worst.
The club is changing it's ethos because the owners have run out of money. Something needs to change on a shoestring. Some of the players bought in will have to be first choice when our first choice players leave; some that will be first choice in a couple of weeks aren't even here yet thanks to Skysports Transfer Window. But Ramsey has to try to keep the precious babies happy, not an easy task.
You choose to include last season against him; I say we were condemned when Saggy Chops was still with us in June last year; I don't think ANYONE could have saved us from that mess. This season, so far, the performances have been inconsistent to say the least, but we're not top or bottom.
The knee jerks on this site are getting worse. It has to be one extreme or the other when the reality should be somewhere in between.
What should be possible is to prepare for the first cup game and say 'this is the squad and team for the cup game and for future games we'll pretty much retain the same squad and style of play'. Then the cup team can devote some training time to develop as a team for the cup. I don't think that we ever do this. I'm sure that Wenger must have done especially when Arsenal were playing big chunks of a youth side in the League Cup. Surely it is possible to plan a team separately for the cup and treat it as an entity in itself?
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 08:26 - Aug 26 with 2031 views
Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 08:19 - Aug 26 by ElHoop
What should be possible is to prepare for the first cup game and say 'this is the squad and team for the cup game and for future games we'll pretty much retain the same squad and style of play'. Then the cup team can devote some training time to develop as a team for the cup. I don't think that we ever do this. I'm sure that Wenger must have done especially when Arsenal were playing big chunks of a youth side in the League Cup. Surely it is possible to plan a team separately for the cup and treat it as an entity in itself?
Seems like a lot of finite training time going towards something not particularly useful when a lot of those players are likely to play plenty of league games.
Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 07:06 - Aug 26 by Lblock
A well reasoned, thought out and succinct reply which fills me with warmth and knowledge
He's right though. People can start moaning in a couple of months if things are going to sh!t, but not from day one. Just wait a bit and see what happens. We might win our next 10 games (although i doubt it). It's just so lame to start whinging after a couple of games.
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 08:39 - Aug 26 with 1986 views
Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 06:16 - Aug 26 by Lblock
Okay. So let me get this right. Benny is doing a fantastic job because in its early stages we're 6th in the league
So everybody's happy with:- Benny's fizzle out end to our Premiership tenure and the football we played The terrible pre-season we've had yet again The capitulation against Charlton 2nd half Throwing away a lucky two goal lead against the Taffs Almost doing exactly the same against the mighty Rotherham Last nights embarrassing display to Keith the Tactician Curle's world beating Carlisle
A common theme throughout the above has been Benny's inability to react to situations and inflexibility of team set ups. He doggedly persists with the shape he wants to play despite what's unfolding in front of him. The players look unfit, lethargic or simply demotivated in large spells of games -- not at all times, which is odd. His substitutions, or lack of them at times, make little or no sense and never seem to change the game in our favour.
The backstop to this is he's clearly a part of Bungle & Co.'s new ethos of football on the cheap. I never agreed with the millions being lavished and thought it scandalous that a club like ours should be spending £12mill on Samba and that's all come home to roost. If you're going down a consolidation and buy stop gaps / ones for the future route then backing the cheap option for 1st team manager was the wrong choice. Ramsey has a proven track record of being a man in the background developing players and pushing their cause for the 1st team squad. He has no match day experience and it shows up large. This means we've a double problem as we clearly need a man with his expertise at the club but we'll lose him when the inevitable axe swings. Typical QPR proactive planning
So you may think I'm talking shite or over reacting off the back of yet another pathetic cup exit (I'm not by the way -- only got ticket last night as cheap and may need loyalty points for away games); that's fine. Just show me where I'm wrong and I should be confident Benny is the man for the next 2 years and 7 months? Please don't use victories against Yeovil and mighty Rotherham as the foundation of your reason though!!
Wolves , away Playoff favourites if not fancied Auto promotion .2-0 down , won 3-2 . I think that shows belief , team spirit and hope for the season . Why do you call Chris Ramsey "Benny" ?
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 08:45 - Aug 26 with 1969 views
Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 07:44 - Aug 26 by paulparker
I can't believe that some fans are happy to get beat by a 2nd division team at home It's a shocking result that shouldn't be swept under the carpet so easily as some are Ramsey takes the blame here, that team was of non league standard last night How about we build momentum after our recent run Some even turning there noses up at a trip to Liverpool And as for our defending, again is that not down to Ramsey to sort?? Wasn't he a defender himself in his playing days ?? You can't keep winning games by conceding 2 goals a game , For a brilliant coach it's strange that we are so badly organised at the back
I await the usual Chelsea fan insults
I think Ramsey would agree with you about the defence: we can't lose two goals per game and expect to do well in any competition. But there are two things he might say in reply: one, people have to stick to the game plan - he clearly thought they didn't, as he said in his interview. Secondly, defending isn't just the four people at the back: if you keep giving the ball away in dangerous positions, you'll put the defence under unbearable pressure. Personally I thought the defence did ok for most of the match. Hall did hundreds of headers out, Hill cleared off the line and seemed solid, kpekewa did a couple of cracking tackles that stopped them getting in on goal. More worrying was us giving up possession so easily up front and in midfield. Hoilett just walking into defenders who were just standing there was the most annoying but others were guilty too of not valuing the ball. Our possession stats bear this out. I'm pretty sure that's why he was angry, not with the defence.
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 08:45 - Aug 26 with 1969 views
Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 08:29 - Aug 26 by timcocking
He's right though. People can start moaning in a couple of months if things are going to sh!t, but not from day one. Just wait a bit and see what happens. We might win our next 10 games (although i doubt it). It's just so lame to start whinging after a couple of games.
We might win 5 .then we will be almost halfway to safety in this division with a third of the games gone .
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 08:46 - Aug 26 with 1965 views
Any time spent planning for a game as a unit is valuable. It doesn't have to be hours and hours. I don't even know how our teams are organised - is the youth team/under 21 side on the same site as the first team? I don't want a full first team to play in these cup games, but I want to see a side that can work together as a unit. I used to love going to cup games, home or away, but I simply don't bother at all now, because it's a complete and utter waste of time.
It's the same story every season, it's the Groundhog Cup, same approach, same interest, same result. It's about as pathetic as it gets.
[Post edited 26 Aug 2015 8:47]
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 09:00 - Aug 26 with 1926 views
But then people moan about how we can only realistically have a chance of winning something through a cup competition and dismiss it when we're joyfully out?Make your minds up. As soon as that lineup was announced a large bet was placed on Carlisle at 6/1.
Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 00:47 - Aug 26 by ScubaHoop
Sorry LBlock but that's an absolute load of shite. He played youth players in their best positions and gave a chance to those on the periphery of the squad. 1000% exactly what he should be doing. That team could just have easily won that game. Please save the 'FFS Benny out threads' for when it's deserved.
I started the season kind of on the fence with Ramsey but seeing the way he sets out the teams, playing players in position, urgency, attacking mentality, the little bit of swagger Luongo and Faulin have put into the midfield, Christ we've scored from a corner the other day! It feels like the proper QPR is coming back. I don't follow QPR to see them win every week, I follow them because they're the coolest team in the whole fukcing world. This season we're actually beginning to play like it. I for one am totally behind Chris Ramsey.
Bang on scuba.
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 00:40 - Aug 26 by Juzzie
Blmey, didnt take long! Yes, i know people are entitled to their opininons but here's an interesting bit of info to ponder.....
I had a quick look at last seasons Championship table and the lowest highest (I hope that makes sense!) placed team that won more games than it didn't win was 4th place. Fourth! That means every team placed 5th or below didnt win more games than it won yet two of those still got in the play offs. Charlton, who finished exactly mid table won 14 games and didnt win 32. I hear a lot that mid table is a reasonable expectation this season so that means we will probably only win about 1/3 of our games. If we are going to chastise the manager every time we dont win a game (and could still be in the play offs) its going to be a long season....
I'm aware tonight was a cup game, where we played a lot of the kids - just as people have said we should, but the point is only the top few teams win more games than they dont so dont get so wound up when we dont win games.
Peace.
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Juzzie.....we didn't get chance to talk Saturday. We managed to beat a poor Rotherham team 4-2 . Opinions. We put out a team last night that was our " second string" which in my opinion should be able to beat a League two team, which is sitting in 20th place without a win this season. Got told, what sort of fan am I on the way out of ground on Saturday, because I wasn't coming to last nights game. To be fair, if they had paid me, I would not have gone.
Going to be an interesting week with the transfer market ending...thing we have some good signings in Chery Luongo and even Hall at the back looks good. Think we will struggle this year to finish half way if we lose Charlie and Matty....maybe Fer and Sandro could help out.
Finally on last night....if you are going play fringe players/ youth....why bring on first teamers with 5-8 mins to go ? Makes no sense.
Am I allowed to say I have no real faith in CR's management/tactics( at the moment) ? God forbid anyone should have opinions, if they don't agree with the mass . See you at the next home game.
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 09:43 - Aug 26 with 1661 views
Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 06:16 - Aug 26 by Lblock
Okay. So let me get this right. Benny is doing a fantastic job because in its early stages we're 6th in the league
So everybody's happy with:- Benny's fizzle out end to our Premiership tenure and the football we played The terrible pre-season we've had yet again The capitulation against Charlton 2nd half Throwing away a lucky two goal lead against the Taffs Almost doing exactly the same against the mighty Rotherham Last nights embarrassing display to Keith the Tactician Curle's world beating Carlisle
A common theme throughout the above has been Benny's inability to react to situations and inflexibility of team set ups. He doggedly persists with the shape he wants to play despite what's unfolding in front of him. The players look unfit, lethargic or simply demotivated in large spells of games -- not at all times, which is odd. His substitutions, or lack of them at times, make little or no sense and never seem to change the game in our favour.
The backstop to this is he's clearly a part of Bungle & Co.'s new ethos of football on the cheap. I never agreed with the millions being lavished and thought it scandalous that a club like ours should be spending £12mill on Samba and that's all come home to roost. If you're going down a consolidation and buy stop gaps / ones for the future route then backing the cheap option for 1st team manager was the wrong choice. Ramsey has a proven track record of being a man in the background developing players and pushing their cause for the 1st team squad. He has no match day experience and it shows up large. This means we've a double problem as we clearly need a man with his expertise at the club but we'll lose him when the inevitable axe swings. Typical QPR proactive planning
So you may think I'm talking shite or over reacting off the back of yet another pathetic cup exit (I'm not by the way -- only got ticket last night as cheap and may need loyalty points for away games); that's fine. Just show me where I'm wrong and I should be confident Benny is the man for the next 2 years and 7 months? Please don't use victories against Yeovil and mighty Rotherham as the foundation of your reason though!!
So, just out of curiosity, which of the 2 goals against Cardiff do you blame Ramsey for? Hill getting caught out at a corner or the lack of someone closing down a player quickly enough to stop a long-range shot?
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 09:47 - Aug 26 with 1641 views
I can understand people criticizing Ramsey, but he obviously knows best and things ain't always gonna go our way. especially with our financial situation and hence him having to play inexperienced players.
He could have of played our first team last night, but chose not to, for obvious reasons.
Our number one priority must be to have a healthy position in the Championship and I believe that's what's Ramsey and Co are trying to achieve
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 09:53 - Aug 26 with 1617 views
Has any one developed, or indeed debunked , the right wing fascist theory and its Intrinsic relation to Chris ramseys detractors, put forward by Ramsey supporters, that i witnessed In sporadic fashion on a thread a couple of weeks ago in my self imposed exile ?? .
It certainly holds as much water as old vi's colostomy bag, as does that scientific axiom that you have to be a labour voter to support QPR thesis, that I have also encountered on this portal.
Chris Ramseys Power rankings are based on a hi-tech proprietary algorithm that remains the intellectual property of Discodroid Power Rankings Inc.
Any effort to simplify its inner workings for the layman by labeling us holocaust deniers if we voice our displeasure at Ramsey for continuing to DepLoy the anomloy Karl henry, and signs such utter sacks of fackn shit as oscar gobern, would be doing MY "Techspert Team" a great injustice (BTW if you have a PHD i, n Computational Science or Predictive Analytics please do drop me a PM, Im always looking for new staff).
Thank you.
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 09:56 - Aug 26 with 1610 views
Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 09:49 - Aug 26 by THEBUSH
I can understand people criticizing Ramsey, but he obviously knows best and things ain't always gonna go our way. especially with our financial situation and hence him having to play inexperienced players.
He could have of played our first team last night, but chose not to, for obvious reasons.
Our number one priority must be to have a healthy position in the Championship and I believe that's what's Ramsey and Co are trying to achieve
If that was the case shame he didn't announce his intentions before the game and save the poor boobs who shelled out hard earned money from going to that charade.
..and the good news, we'll get to rehash the same old shite after exiting the FA Cup third round, probably against high-flying Harrow Borough.
I fully expect we'll be doing the same twice next season and the season after that, as we have been every year bar two, since that wally Adam took a bite from the apple.
Frankly, I am somewhat immune to the whole 'cup thing'.
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 09:56 - Aug 26 by TheBlob
If that was the case shame he didn't announce his intentions before the game and save the poor boobs who shelled out hard earned money from going to that charade.
Precisely. It's like buying tickets for say the Arctic Monkeys, and an unrehearsed tribute band shows up singing Abba songs. They should make these games 'free if we lose' and even then it's a waste of time
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Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 10:10 - Aug 26 with 1556 views
Chris Ramsey - Clueless? Stubborn? Or both? on 09:56 - Aug 26 by TheBlob
If that was the case shame he didn't announce his intentions before the game and save the poor boobs who shelled out hard earned money from going to that charade.
Wasn't there last night, but i have been one of those 'poor boobs' who've seen us lose on a cold winters night, nobody ever told me prior to the game, what the team was ?
Ain't trying to defend our club, but ticket prices were reduced for last nights game, perhaps that was clue to whom might be playing ?
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