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not apologising for starting another music thread, especially as it concerns a true legend.
today, 9 october, marks what would have been john lennon's 75th birthday.
can't post the video link thingy, but here are some poignant words the man wrote:
As soon as you're born they make you feel small By giving you no time instead of it all 'Til the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool 'Til you're so fukking crazy you can't follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be
When they've tortured and scared you for 20 odd years Then they expect you to pick a career When you can't really function, you're so full of fear
A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be
Keep you doped with religion, and sex, and T.V. And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still fukking peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be
There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be
If you want to be a hero well just follow me If you want to be a hero well just follow me
any other offerings to remember a great man, singer, songwriter?
(stands back and waits for the john lennon haters to wake up, register and comment)
[Post edited 9 Oct 2015 9:50]
It's not what you've got; it's where you stick it.
Was looking at the Beatles and footie but not much going on there.
Looks as if Lennon and McCartney both went to the 1966 FA Cup Final between Everton and Sheff Wed - Macca seemingly an Everton fan although Lennon was probably Liverpool if he was anything. Ringo might have been a gooner for a while, but seems to have ended up Liverpool as his sons have or did have season tickets.
Someone put up No 9 Dream - Lennon had a thing about no. 9 and it's in quite a few songs. Also, this painting he did as a child ended up on the sleeve of Walls and Bridges, but is reckoned to be of the 1952 Cup Final of a month earlier, in which case the 9 is Jackie Milburn of Newcastle v Arsenal.
Was looking at the Beatles and footie but not much going on there.
Looks as if Lennon and McCartney both went to the 1966 FA Cup Final between Everton and Sheff Wed - Macca seemingly an Everton fan although Lennon was probably Liverpool if he was anything. Ringo might have been a gooner for a while, but seems to have ended up Liverpool as his sons have or did have season tickets.
Someone put up No 9 Dream - Lennon had a thing about no. 9 and it's in quite a few songs. Also, this painting he did as a child ended up on the sleeve of Walls and Bridges, but is reckoned to be of the 1952 Cup Final of a month earlier, in which case the 9 is Jackie Milburn of Newcastle v Arsenal.
On my copy of this, the rosette has Liverpool FC - by which I mean you can see it, unlike here - on it.
Was looking at the Beatles and footie but not much going on there.
Looks as if Lennon and McCartney both went to the 1966 FA Cup Final between Everton and Sheff Wed - Macca seemingly an Everton fan although Lennon was probably Liverpool if he was anything. Ringo might have been a gooner for a while, but seems to have ended up Liverpool as his sons have or did have season tickets.
Someone put up No 9 Dream - Lennon had a thing about no. 9 and it's in quite a few songs. Also, this painting he did as a child ended up on the sleeve of Walls and Bridges, but is reckoned to be of the 1952 Cup Final of a month earlier, in which case the 9 is Jackie Milburn of Newcastle v Arsenal.
It wasn't just someone who put up No 9 Dream - it was me - Shot Knees Hoop!!!
Yes, Shot Knees Hoop ........ The Ultimate Hater of SWP, Redknobb, Hughes, Chelscum, Ian Wright (in that order) lager, keg bitter, Old Etonians, certain Test Cricketers of a specific country who bowl no-balls, wides, overthrows to get a payout on a bet, Tony Bliar, his mIssus with a gob like a letter box, and George Wa*ker Bush who has the brain of one.
Tears Of A Clown also did a painting at the same age, which was marginally better than Lennon's.
'Ah! böwakawa poussé, poussé, Ah! böwakawa poussé, poussé, Ah! böwakawa poussé, poussé,Ah! böwakawa poussé, poussé, Ah! böwakawa poussé, poussé, Ah! böwakawa poussé, poussé, Ah! böwakawa poussé, poussé, Ah! böwakawa poussé, poussé,Ah! böwakawa poussé, poussé, Ah! böwakawa poussé, poussé" and he never said a truer word. " and he never said a truer word.
and here's another good one -
Why does it feel like R'SWiPe is still on the books? Yer Couldn't Make It Up.Well Done Me!
As can quite clearly be seen on the Sgt Pepper album cover, on the shoulder of Marlene Dietrich is a grinning Albert Stubbins, the red-haired Liverpool centre forward whose inclusion on said cover was almost certainly at the insistence of Lennon himself.
Also due to Lennons upbringing as a CofE choirboy and his family connections with the Orange movement in Liverpool I think it's fair to suggest he was a Red.
It depends on your reading of "has to be"..."is bound to be" or "will have to be proven to be". I read it as the former, not the latter. I apologise to TR if I got the wrong interpretation, but it was ambiguous, and it was unclear if the quote was Wilde's or TR's. Has a skim read through the Wilde piece and didn't find it; it would have been interesting if Wilde had had a chance to reappraise it after a few years if he had lived longer.
[Post edited 9 Oct 2015 17:16]
I wasn't quite sure how you managed to get from my post to a pile of skulls.
All I was saying was that Lennon seemed to have disdain for the desire of the workers to have a higher standard of living (exemplified by 'tellies'). Instead it seems that for him liberation would come through some kind of internal change in consciousness. This got a bit lost in the Ali/Blackburn interview because they were trying push him in a particular direction.
I was not saying 'anything is better than capitalism', but the complete opposite - that I would only expect people to be interested in a social system that is superior to capitalism. There is a huge amount of confusion on this point because people have got used to the idea that capitalism is efficient but unfair and that socialism while less efficient would (perhaps) make things 'more fair'.
On to the Khmer Rouge. Despite the Western 'gooks go mad in the jungle' narrative, it is quite well known that the rise to power of the Khmer Rouge was facilited by the massive bombing and destruction of Cambodia carried out by the West. This was pointed out in William Shawcross's 'Sideshow: Kissinger, Nixon and the Destruction of Cambodia' (1979)'. Years after the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge were revealed Thatcher continued to support them, even sending SAS men to support them.
Just by chance I recently read Yi Kwang-su's 1933 Korean masterpiece 'The Soil', which was written when Korea was under Japanese occupation. Yi Kwang-su was a conservative, and his analysis of Korea is that the urban elite has betrayed Korea, lives off the peasantry and should go back to the countryside to improve things for the peasantry. The point being that moving back to the countryside was a profoundly conservative and nationalistic idea (although I wouldn't lay the blame for subsequent events at Yi Kwang-su's door).
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