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Having been beaten to a pulp by public opinion, the press and the House of Lords, Osborn has dropped the Tax credits cuts. Like it was his idea the greasy toad. Slippery as a bar of soap in a jar of olive oil.
[Post edited 25 Nov 2015 16:59]
Strong and stable my arse.
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Tax credits cave in on 18:06 - Nov 25 with 1557 views
Tax credits only exist because our wage levels aren't actually enough to live on. I'd quite happily hand the burden over to the private sector, but we don't want to upset them and eat into their tax free profits too much
Well exactly, it's a bailout of big business by the taxpayer. As well as the easiest thing to scam ever for the "self employed".
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Tax credits cave in on 18:09 - Nov 25 with 1550 views
I think the Tories realised they were heading for another poll tax riot and bottled it
It's somewhat strange than after insisting very strongly they HAD to cut tax credits they are now trying to sweep it under the carpet as there was no need after all, and it's their idea ffs!
Some if not all credit must be given to Corbyn for continuously campaigning against it , the last lot wanted to let Osborne have his way.
John McDonnell is absolutely right in that Osborne has failed his promise 5 years ago of deficit reduction targets, not only failed but they have gone up massively.
Tax credits cave in on 17:59 - Nov 25 by essextaxiboy
Policies for the real world , that the electorate that has a vote can understand and get behind and vote for .Not idealistic musings that remain just that .
We (the West) have been voting for easy to understand economic policies that feel right but make no economic sense for 30 years now. In that time absolute wages have decreased by 40%. Maybe it's time we tried something high minded that, y'know, works.
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Tax credits cave in on 18:22 - Nov 25 with 1519 views
Is being, not has been. Bit early to praise a policy that hasn't been finished yet. Piketty is an economic historian, not sure he's ever been involved in policy-making before.
He's been economic advisor to a couple of French presidential candidates.
And fair point - though Corbyn's economic ideas are clearly very heavily indebted to Stiglitz's work
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Tax credits cave in on 18:26 - Nov 25 with 1512 views
Tax credits cave in on 17:12 - Nov 25 by Discodroids
Estimates suggest Chairman Mao's "Great Leap Forward" killed 45 million people. Not really the bloke to quote is he? MaoDonnell has obviously never had to give such an important speech in his life so he googled the interweb for tips.
And some website said 'Throw in a quote, it'll make you sound well-read and clever.'
And this, being McDonnell, didn't realise that they generally mean a quote from Shakespeare or Voltaire or Churchill. Naaaah. He figured any old quote from any old book he had lying around the place would do.
We could have ended up with a lasagna recipe.
[Post edited 25 Nov 2015 17:25]
you missed me off your list. i once ran over a hedgehog, and killed my kids school goldfish with bleach (honestly, it was an accident) but i reckon its the botulism and arsenic i put into the foods that will put me away.
It's not what you've got; it's where you stick it.
I think the Tories realised they were heading for another poll tax riot and bottled it
It's somewhat strange than after insisting very strongly they HAD to cut tax credits they are now trying to sweep it under the carpet as there was no need after all, and it's their idea ffs!
Some if not all credit must be given to Corbyn for continuously campaigning against it , the last lot wanted to let Osborne have his way.
John McDonnell is absolutely right in that Osborne has failed his promise 5 years ago of deficit reduction targets, not only failed but they have gone up massively.
Smoke and mirrors
[Post edited 25 Nov 2015 18:15]
The trouble is that those complaining the loudest that the deficit hasn't gone down fast enough are the same ones that want the government to keeping spending more and more money. That's why no one listens to them.
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Tax credits cave in on 18:29 - Nov 25 with 1508 views
Tax credits cave in on 17:39 - Nov 25 by essextaxiboy
They are not an opposition , just a cranky protest group . They are in open mutiny , without any credible policies . They didnt even try as hard as you are to claim a win over the tax credits . Instead they quoted a dictator who killed millions .I hope Osborne picked that book up , Labour will see it again hopefully every budget day . And the laugh is that they have only two credible leaders , Jarvis and Milliband D and neither want to trash their career and take it on ..
You have more to say about Labour than your Tory mates I believe the lady (taxi person) protesteth too much.
[Post edited 25 Nov 2015 18:33]
Strong and stable my arse.
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Tax credits cave in on 18:31 - Nov 25 with 1504 views
I think the Tories realised they were heading for another poll tax riot and bottled it
It's somewhat strange than after insisting very strongly they HAD to cut tax credits they are now trying to sweep it under the carpet as there was no need after all, and it's their idea ffs!
Some if not all credit must be given to Corbyn for continuously campaigning against it , the last lot wanted to let Osborne have his way.
John McDonnell is absolutely right in that Osborne has failed his promise 5 years ago of deficit reduction targets, not only failed but they have gone up massively.
Smoke and mirrors
[Post edited 25 Nov 2015 18:15]
Indeed, in fact I find it weird with chat of the media forcing it; the current govt has the most pliable media since Blair's heyday. It's less a gentle ride than an inflatable slide.
And the British economy is in really severe danger. Essential services have been cut to near basic functions and next to no money has been spent on generating growth, yet spending has continued to increase above income, meaning national debt has doubled. The underlying problems of the economy that caused the crash - our over-dependence on a financialised economy and overinflated house prices haven't been solved, they've been exacerbated.
When the Chinese smoke machine finally short circuits and they're no longer able to keep devaling the Yuan to pump up cheap credit and we find half of London is owned by bankrupt Chinese state corporations, it's gonna be real real bad news
Tax credits cave in on 17:12 - Nov 25 by Discodroids
Estimates suggest Chairman Mao's "Great Leap Forward" killed 45 million people. Not really the bloke to quote is he? MaoDonnell has obviously never had to give such an important speech in his life so he googled the interweb for tips.
And some website said 'Throw in a quote, it'll make you sound well-read and clever.'
And this, being McDonnell, didn't realise that they generally mean a quote from Shakespeare or Voltaire or Churchill. Naaaah. He figured any old quote from any old book he had lying around the place would do.
We could have ended up with a lasagna recipe.
[Post edited 25 Nov 2015 17:25]
Disco, King of irony, might have missed the irony intended
Strong and stable my arse.
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Tax credits cave in on 18:43 - Nov 25 with 1487 views
Indeed, in fact I find it weird with chat of the media forcing it; the current govt has the most pliable media since Blair's heyday. It's less a gentle ride than an inflatable slide.
And the British economy is in really severe danger. Essential services have been cut to near basic functions and next to no money has been spent on generating growth, yet spending has continued to increase above income, meaning national debt has doubled. The underlying problems of the economy that caused the crash - our over-dependence on a financialised economy and overinflated house prices haven't been solved, they've been exacerbated.
When the Chinese smoke machine finally short circuits and they're no longer able to keep devaling the Yuan to pump up cheap credit and we find half of London is owned by bankrupt Chinese state corporations, it's gonna be real real bad news
China bankrupt?It'll be America that goes belly up first.China holds trilions of dollars of US bonds for starters - not to mention an estimated 40,000 metric tons of gold-yes they're actively draining the London vaults..They're into land worldwide,buying it up like it was going out of fashion,nuclear power plants.....buying up sea ports in Canada(Vancouver jokingly renamed Hongcouver)the US,Australia....Get ready to spell Renmimbi correctly*.Will be the new SDR currency backed by gold.
Tax credits are completely unaffordable, paying someone to sit at home "writing a book" for 16 hours a week FFS. Osborne should not have given in so easily despite all the ludicrous bleating.
Suddenly the left are trying to claim blocking the government with their unelected Lords every week is democracy in action. The Lib Dems have even started introducing new aspects to bills in the Lords against all convention the hypocritical c@nts.
You haven't clue fella
I work full time and my partner works part time as we have 2 children at school and another one who is 3 weeks old
If the tax credit cut would of gone ahead we would of been screwed over by at least 2k a year and would of struggled to pay our rent.
He should be targeting the companies not paying their full tax rather than people who actually rely on tax credits to live
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Tax credits cave in on 19:27 - Nov 25 with 1409 views
Tax credits cave in on 19:09 - Nov 25 by Rangersw12
You haven't clue fella
I work full time and my partner works part time as we have 2 children at school and another one who is 3 weeks old
If the tax credit cut would of gone ahead we would of been screwed over by at least 2k a year and would of struggled to pay our rent.
He should be targeting the companies not paying their full tax rather than people who actually rely on tax credits to live
Maybe you should have considered whether you could afford to bring up three children before having them rather than expecting the state (ie the rest of society) to help you to pay for them? What most people don't appear to have appreciated is that the current Tax Credits are being phased out in a couple of years to be replaced by Universal Credits which will be severely cut back and which will not be blocked by the Lords. So it's only really a delay in bringing those cuts in as opposed to a "U Turn".
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Tax credits cave in on 19:33 - Nov 25 with 1401 views
"he was forced into it, HE DIDNT DO IT OF HIS OWN ACCORD, now he's trying to make it that he's listened to people, fortunately were not all mug enough to fall for it. "
If he did not do it of his own accord and he did not listen to other people how did it happen and who forced him into it.
If I've got to explain it, then your obviously one of the mugs.
It's being so happy that keeps me going.
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Tax credits cave in on 19:42 - Nov 25 with 1384 views
Maybe you should have considered whether you could afford to bring up three children before having them rather than expecting the state (ie the rest of society) to help you to pay for them? What most people don't appear to have appreciated is that the current Tax Credits are being phased out in a couple of years to be replaced by Universal Credits which will be severely cut back and which will not be blocked by the Lords. So it's only really a delay in bringing those cuts in as opposed to a "U Turn".
You what ! relying on society to pay for my kids !? Christ sake get down from your ivory tower you idiot
This is about people having to rely on tax credits to live and to keep a roof over their heads and as per usual the tories are targeting the poor and most vulnerable !!
But hey keep believing the Tory bullshit that everyone on benefits are living the high life eh
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Tax credits cave in on 19:47 - Nov 25 with 1386 views
Tax credits were introduced by Brown and Balls and they openly admitted later that it was a way in which they could make more people reliant on the state and therefore more inclined to vote for the party in power, i.e. Labour. It was all about controlling the populace and getting to know their place as subservient to the government. They covered it with the smokescreen of the minimum wage which as we all know is laughable. The current government is now replacing that minimum wage with a much higher 'living wage' which will be fully in place by 2020 and as the living wage is phased in thus giving the lowest paid inflation busting pay rises tax credits will automatically be reduced and eventually will disappear thus putting the cost of a better wage where it belongs with business. This was typical socialism in practice.
On the point of having children I am sure most of us have gone through that time as young parents whereby we have financially struggled to make ends meet when the kids were young. It happened with us and although I would have dearly loved to have had a son when we were younger we ended up with two girls. We couldn't afford to have another child at the time and we took the view that the girls would benefit more by shutting up shop, so to speak. And so it proved, we were able to provide better for them, we both worked full time and paid for the child care costs, no help, no free hours, no child care vouchers that are tax deductible, no tax credits just child allowance payments. And ironically my boy finally came along in my early 40's, unplanned and at a time when we were financially secure. My point is that people should take more responsibility for their own actions and not rely on continually being bailed out, that way taxes can be used for those who really deserve state help, the elderly, the infirm and those who are disabled through physicality or mental health.
Indeed, in fact I find it weird with chat of the media forcing it; the current govt has the most pliable media since Blair's heyday. It's less a gentle ride than an inflatable slide.
And the British economy is in really severe danger. Essential services have been cut to near basic functions and next to no money has been spent on generating growth, yet spending has continued to increase above income, meaning national debt has doubled. The underlying problems of the economy that caused the crash - our over-dependence on a financialised economy and overinflated house prices haven't been solved, they've been exacerbated.
When the Chinese smoke machine finally short circuits and they're no longer able to keep devaling the Yuan to pump up cheap credit and we find half of London is owned by bankrupt Chinese state corporations, it's gonna be real real bad news
Absolutely.
Our services are being destroyed across the board. Council's budgets are being decimated and we really are yet to see the true extent of the consequences of that (combined with the constant selling off of our infrastructure to foreign hedge funds) in our society. But it won't be pretty.
Watching the likes of Essex and Disco revelling in all this is very depressing to me.
As for the use of the word 'credible' - hilarious. Sun reader's 'quote a word that sounds like I know what I'm talking about' special. There is nothing credible about using the illusionary nature of the economy to take even more from the poorest and give to the wealthiest.
If anyone is really interested, the information is available.
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Tax credits cave in on 20:45 - Nov 25 with 1302 views
the likes of me would like to take a further pivotal role in this debate, but ive got the end of' Predator' to watch and Arnies clicking up a few gears , stomping the rasta aliens head all over the jungle.
Dont know what essex taxi is up to, probably watching 'only fools and horses' and del falling through the bar hatch.
were like that, the likes of us. the likes of me and essex.
Once again news outlets smear Corbyn and McDonnell by using film of them saying things and showing it on the news.
[Post edited 25 Nov 2015 20:48]
"...The monkey is never dead, Dealer. The monkey never dies. When you kick him off, he just hides in a corner, waiting his turn."
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Tax credits cave in on 20:45 - Nov 25 with 1301 views
Tax credits were introduced by Brown and Balls and they openly admitted later that it was a way in which they could make more people reliant on the state and therefore more inclined to vote for the party in power, i.e. Labour. It was all about controlling the populace and getting to know their place as subservient to the government. They covered it with the smokescreen of the minimum wage which as we all know is laughable. The current government is now replacing that minimum wage with a much higher 'living wage' which will be fully in place by 2020 and as the living wage is phased in thus giving the lowest paid inflation busting pay rises tax credits will automatically be reduced and eventually will disappear thus putting the cost of a better wage where it belongs with business. This was typical socialism in practice.
On the point of having children I am sure most of us have gone through that time as young parents whereby we have financially struggled to make ends meet when the kids were young. It happened with us and although I would have dearly loved to have had a son when we were younger we ended up with two girls. We couldn't afford to have another child at the time and we took the view that the girls would benefit more by shutting up shop, so to speak. And so it proved, we were able to provide better for them, we both worked full time and paid for the child care costs, no help, no free hours, no child care vouchers that are tax deductible, no tax credits just child allowance payments. And ironically my boy finally came along in my early 40's, unplanned and at a time when we were financially secure. My point is that people should take more responsibility for their own actions and not rely on continually being bailed out, that way taxes can be used for those who really deserve state help, the elderly, the infirm and those who are disabled through physicality or mental health.
My parents were the same to a certain extent but they also had affordable housing and wasn't paying about 70% of their wages on rent
Cost of living is astronomical compared to what it was even 15 years ago that's the reason why a lot of working families rely on tax credits
Seem so be a lot of I'm alright Jack in today's society
[Post edited 25 Nov 2015 20:46]
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Tax credits cave in on 20:45 - Nov 25 with 1299 views
Tax credits cave in on 20:33 - Nov 25 by 1BobbyHazell
Absolutely.
Our services are being destroyed across the board. Council's budgets are being decimated and we really are yet to see the true extent of the consequences of that (combined with the constant selling off of our infrastructure to foreign hedge funds) in our society. But it won't be pretty.
Watching the likes of Essex and Disco revelling in all this is very depressing to me.
As for the use of the word 'credible' - hilarious. Sun reader's 'quote a word that sounds like I know what I'm talking about' special. There is nothing credible about using the illusionary nature of the economy to take even more from the poorest and give to the wealthiest.
If anyone is really interested, the information is available.
What word would you use to describe something that you can respect and take seriously?
We can use your word to describe them . Makes no odds .
Incidentally The Sun takes more credit than Labour for the reversal of tax credit cuts .
Not sure what I am revelling in except middle aged men who have spent their political lives throwing pelters from the back row (often at their own party) thrust into the position of actually having to do something and making a complete arse of it from minute one .
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Tax credits cave in on 20:49 - Nov 25 with 1291 views
Tax credits cave in on 20:28 - Nov 25 by essextaxiboy
I take a keen interest to bait family members . They would vote for a milk bottle with a red rosette on it .
Always employed in the public sector , never had to turn a dollar .
The more top class treatment they get on the NHS under this government (the nasty party) the better I like it ..
Like shooting fish in a barrel
Still banging on about Labour. How about coming up with something positive about Osborn ? Not easy is it ? Let's all dismiss Corbyn because he's got a beard. Ha Fcking ha. Let's steer away from the poorest in our society who would have been hit. Corbyn's got a funny beard Ha Fcking ha.
Strong and stable my arse.
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Tax credits cave in on 20:59 - Nov 25 with 1268 views
Tax credits only exist because our wage levels aren't actually enough to live on. I'd quite happily hand the burden over to the private sector, but we don't want to upset them and eat into their tax free profits too much
I have a massive problem with the principle of tax credits. If the wages are not enough to live on, the employers are getting away with something nasty. And the government is, effectively, subsidising them to do it.
In principle, working people should earn at least a Living Wage and then there is no need to make up for the underpayment with benefits. It would help if there was stronger reinforcement of the Minimum Wage as a start (living Wage is better) and the elimination of zero hours contracts.
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