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Brexit Argument Over 15:25 - May 15 with 17737 viewsDorse

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36295208

What. A. Tool.

Just handed the oppo everything they could ever have asked for.

'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'

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Brexit Argument Over on 14:35 - May 19 with 1729 viewsessextaxiboy

Brexit Argument Over on 13:35 - May 19 by Discodroids

when you get a sec Essex..from todays edition of the' daily politics show'.

Andrew neil going to town on a HR giger Xenomorph , Frances O grady from the TUC.

2Mins To 12 MINS.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07ch8jj/daily-politics-19052016

2.2 million EU Citizens now working in the uk according to brillo pad, On ONS figures released today. Double what it was 5 years ago. Does not depress wages according to Alice the geek , the aforementioned Frances o'grady .

They truly walk among us.


No mention of those ONS Figures Released today on EU immigration to the UK and the impact on low paid unskilled employment to UK Citizens, on either the BBC NEWS Chanel or radio 5 live news. Just something about some woman cricketer who managed to break the world record for throwing a cricket ball 12. 23 meters(wind assisted). Unbelievable.



The BBC, As useful as Del Trotters blow up sex doll at an Elton John and David Furnish Chem Sex party (allegedly).
[Post edited 19 May 2016 13:46]


They just dont get it , If there were a million blokes who could play Premier League football they wouldnt all be on 100k a week .

If you have lots of something in a market the price goes down .

These people are working for less than the minimum wage , either being ripped off for accomodation or the rent of a mobile phone or being asked to give their employer a free day every week . How do you police that ?

The when our kids are asked to compete with that , we rightly tell them to "turn the offer down its illegal " then they get accused of being work shy .

Anyone who votes to remain condones exploitation by rogue employers and the implications of TTIP ...fact
[Post edited 19 May 2016 14:35]
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Brexit Argument Over on 14:37 - May 19 with 1721 viewsdaveB

Brexit Argument Over on 14:13 - May 19 by essextaxiboy

He hasnt done any deals , He cant . The EU speaks for us at the WTO . This was the response when he said he wanted a deal with China .


"We believe that it is premature at this stage to discuss a free trade agreement with China," Alexandre Polack, a spokesman for the EU executive, told reporters..

Lets keep China on the back burner then eh? Its not as if its a big market .

Quit the EU and we immediatly return to the WTO, then we talk to who we want ,


and they can tell us they'd rather speak to the Eu and we're then fcked
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Brexit Argument Over on 14:47 - May 19 with 1702 viewsCliff

Brexit Argument Over on 14:35 - May 19 by essextaxiboy

They just dont get it , If there were a million blokes who could play Premier League football they wouldnt all be on 100k a week .

If you have lots of something in a market the price goes down .

These people are working for less than the minimum wage , either being ripped off for accomodation or the rent of a mobile phone or being asked to give their employer a free day every week . How do you police that ?

The when our kids are asked to compete with that , we rightly tell them to "turn the offer down its illegal " then they get accused of being work shy .

Anyone who votes to remain condones exploitation by rogue employers and the implications of TTIP ...fact
[Post edited 19 May 2016 14:35]


and of course:

David Cameron warns Isil will be 'happy' from:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/17/eu-referendum-boris-johnson-loch-ness

which by your logic will mean that anyone who votes to leave condones Isil .... fact.

Or maybe they are both just opinion with little or no basis in fact

PS and before you quote articles about rogue employers that back up your claims, I would like to point out that I agree with you that it happens, I just don't think that it is the only issue involved in the EU debate, and therefore don't believe a remain vote necessarily condones the situation.
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Brexit Argument Over on 15:00 - May 19 with 1687 viewsessextaxiboy

Brexit Argument Over on 14:47 - May 19 by Cliff

and of course:

David Cameron warns Isil will be 'happy' from:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/17/eu-referendum-boris-johnson-loch-ness

which by your logic will mean that anyone who votes to leave condones Isil .... fact.

Or maybe they are both just opinion with little or no basis in fact

PS and before you quote articles about rogue employers that back up your claims, I would like to point out that I agree with you that it happens, I just don't think that it is the only issue involved in the EU debate, and therefore don't believe a remain vote necessarily condones the situation.


I would think oversupply means a drop in price is in every economics text book .

Doesnt mean its fact of course but you would fail; your Economics A Level if you disagreed .

I would think ISIL would want us to remain , to send someone here from Paris or Brussels is very convenient on Ryanair or Easyjet
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Brexit Argument Over on 15:18 - May 19 with 1653 viewsjohncharles

Brexit Argument Over on 14:13 - May 19 by essextaxiboy

He hasnt done any deals , He cant . The EU speaks for us at the WTO . This was the response when he said he wanted a deal with China .


"We believe that it is premature at this stage to discuss a free trade agreement with China," Alexandre Polack, a spokesman for the EU executive, told reporters..

Lets keep China on the back burner then eh? Its not as if its a big market .

Quit the EU and we immediatly return to the WTO, then we talk to who we want ,


Yes we can talk to who we want but will they want to talk to us ?

Strong and stable my arse.

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Brexit Argument Over on 15:33 - May 19 with 1637 viewsCliff

Brexit Argument Over on 15:00 - May 19 by essextaxiboy

I would think oversupply means a drop in price is in every economics text book .

Doesnt mean its fact of course but you would fail; your Economics A Level if you disagreed .

I would think ISIL would want us to remain , to send someone here from Paris or Brussels is very convenient on Ryanair or Easyjet


I don't disagree with your argument on wages, in fact I have always argued that the reasons no one ever seems to do anything about immigration is that the Tories are ideologically opposed to immigration but gain the most as they represent the employers who get the benefit of the cheap labour. Labour on the other hand are ideologically for the free movement of workers, but lose the most in that there supporters being the ones who are more likely to be undercut on wages by the immigrants. The result everybody barks on about it but does nothing.

I also have no idea and don't give a toss about what Isil think, I was merely trying to point out that just because you have a strong belief doesn't make it a fact.

PS also the fact we are talking about is the supposed "fact" that a remain vote condones rogue employers
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Brexit Argument Over on 15:36 - May 19 with 1631 viewsTheBlob

Brexit Argument Over on 14:47 - May 19 by Cliff

and of course:

David Cameron warns Isil will be 'happy' from:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/17/eu-referendum-boris-johnson-loch-ness

which by your logic will mean that anyone who votes to leave condones Isil .... fact.

Or maybe they are both just opinion with little or no basis in fact

PS and before you quote articles about rogue employers that back up your claims, I would like to point out that I agree with you that it happens, I just don't think that it is the only issue involved in the EU debate, and therefore don't believe a remain vote necessarily condones the situation.


Good grief,is "ISIL" being brought into the equation?How desperate can you get?I suppose the only trade affected there would be Toyota trucks with a 30 year old Russian machine gun bolted to the back.

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Brexit Argument Over on 15:42 - May 19 with 1624 viewsCliff

Brexit Argument Over on 15:36 - May 19 by TheBlob

Good grief,is "ISIL" being brought into the equation?How desperate can you get?I suppose the only trade affected there would be Toyota trucks with a 30 year old Russian machine gun bolted to the back.


Good grief actually read the post and the post it refers to before replying
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Brexit Argument Over on 15:47 - May 19 with 1616 viewsTheBlob

Brexit Argument Over on 15:42 - May 19 by Cliff

Good grief actually read the post and the post it refers to before replying


I have.And your point is?

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Brexit Argument Over on 16:01 - May 19 with 1600 viewsCliff

Brexit Argument Over on 15:47 - May 19 by TheBlob

I have.And your point is?


Having read your post again I can now see two interpretations:

1. You were having a go at me bringing Isil into the thread, to which my defence is, I only brought it in as a quote from the remain argument to illustrate the ridiculous "facts" being put out by both sides, and to compare it with the "fact" in the post I was replying to, and thus disputing they were facts.

and,
2. You were having a go at Cameron and / or the remain lobby for bringing it up, in which case oops, sorry perhaps I should read things more carefully before replying!

Either way should we really be surprised given what the OP was referring to?
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Brexit Argument Over on 17:03 - May 19 with 1557 viewsTheBlob

Brexit Argument Over on 16:01 - May 19 by Cliff

Having read your post again I can now see two interpretations:

1. You were having a go at me bringing Isil into the thread, to which my defence is, I only brought it in as a quote from the remain argument to illustrate the ridiculous "facts" being put out by both sides, and to compare it with the "fact" in the post I was replying to, and thus disputing they were facts.

and,
2. You were having a go at Cameron and / or the remain lobby for bringing it up, in which case oops, sorry perhaps I should read things more carefully before replying!

Either way should we really be surprised given what the OP was referring to?


Option 2 old chum
I can't believe that Panama Dave could be so desperate as to evoke a bogus and ineffectual bogeyman as Isis/Isil/Robert Daish or whatever they like to be called.I might change my mind only if I see them Toyota trucks lumbering up and down the North Circular.

Poll: So how was the season for you?

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Brexit Argument Over on 17:30 - May 19 with 1523 viewsDorse

Brexit Argument Over on 14:13 - May 19 by essextaxiboy

He hasnt done any deals , He cant . The EU speaks for us at the WTO . This was the response when he said he wanted a deal with China .


"We believe that it is premature at this stage to discuss a free trade agreement with China," Alexandre Polack, a spokesman for the EU executive, told reporters..

Lets keep China on the back burner then eh? Its not as if its a big market .

Quit the EU and we immediatly return to the WTO, then we talk to who we want ,


Shouldn't talk to strangers, though. Who is the international equivalent of the non-specific 'Uncle' at the School gate with his bag of sweets, puppy, amyl nitrate etc

'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'

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Brexit Argument Over on 23:55 - May 19 with 1460 viewsBrightonhoop

Brexit Argument Over on 08:08 - May 19 by TheBlob

How silly of me,of course socialist governments don't overspend and bankrupt and then others have to pick up the pieces.Portugal is a veritable paradise of thrift.What was I thinking.

And in your part of the world....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/671618/Spain-debt-gdp-rajoy-EU

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dc4ffd42-1c3a-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz495NnOBk
[Post edited 19 May 2016 8:51]


Amazing. The right went nuclear on Gordon Brown losing £2Bn on the gold sale whilst remaining mute on £3 Bn lost on the Post Office alone.

Austerity was a con, presented to reduce the 'inherited deficit of Labour' in a world collapse like we didn't notice, and Boy George doubled the debt.

Factomundo.

Boris as you right wingers love to call Johnson, get's a proper hard on discussing three bananas. no doubt an Etonian ritual after lights out, and looks like a Leicester Square homeless drunk whose shat himself. Fillng his socks. On live TV. Even Hezza's worried. Sadly it is safer to trust a Frenchman than a Tory. Fact. Leave lost it two days ago. When the post mortem begins start with Johnson. He clearly has an Etonian lights out/banana issue. That's where you lost it. It's gone. 5 weeks to go he muddied his yfronts.
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Brexit Argument Over on 00:14 - May 20 with 1451 viewsTheBlob

Brexit Argument Over on 23:55 - May 19 by Brightonhoop

Amazing. The right went nuclear on Gordon Brown losing £2Bn on the gold sale whilst remaining mute on £3 Bn lost on the Post Office alone.

Austerity was a con, presented to reduce the 'inherited deficit of Labour' in a world collapse like we didn't notice, and Boy George doubled the debt.

Factomundo.

Boris as you right wingers love to call Johnson, get's a proper hard on discussing three bananas. no doubt an Etonian ritual after lights out, and looks like a Leicester Square homeless drunk whose shat himself. Fillng his socks. On live TV. Even Hezza's worried. Sadly it is safer to trust a Frenchman than a Tory. Fact. Leave lost it two days ago. When the post mortem begins start with Johnson. He clearly has an Etonian lights out/banana issue. That's where you lost it. It's gone. 5 weeks to go he muddied his yfronts.
[Post edited 20 May 2016 0:07]


Let me put you straight there Jim,I am not a "right winger" or any kind of politico.

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Brexit Argument Over on 00:19 - May 20 with 1445 viewsBrightonhoop

Brexit Argument Over on 00:14 - May 20 by TheBlob

Let me put you straight there Jim,I am not a "right winger" or any kind of politico.


Strange that Garreth, as an Austrian blonde haired blue eyed good ol' boy of south wales type.

I had you down as a raving lefty loony from Lambeth.
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Brexit Argument Over on 00:22 - May 20 with 1442 viewsTheBlob

Brexit Argument Over on 00:19 - May 20 by Brightonhoop

Strange that Garreth, as an Austrian blonde haired blue eyed good ol' boy of south wales type.

I had you down as a raving lefty loony from Lambeth.


I hate politics Jim,it's a tyrant's charter,a carte blanche on your knees arse f*ck.

And Uncle Gordon cost us £4.7b for that 339 tonnes of gold.

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Brexit Argument Over on 00:31 - May 20 with 1437 viewsBrightonhoop

Well I guess your right wing views disguised as fascism thank their lucky stars Boy George didn't increase UK debt by £555 Bn. The silence of indignation is deafening. But hey, vote out, we're safe in their Etonian hands.
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Brexit Argument Over on 08:22 - May 20 with 1363 viewsTheBlob

Brexit Argument Over on 00:31 - May 20 by Brightonhoop

Well I guess your right wing views disguised as fascism thank their lucky stars Boy George didn't increase UK debt by £555 Bn. The silence of indignation is deafening. But hey, vote out, we're safe in their Etonian hands.


I think that spanish sun has fried your brains mate.

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Brexit Argument Over on 08:25 - May 20 with 1358 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Good thread.

I've learnt a lot reading this one and the one beforehand.

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
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Brexit Argument Over on 08:27 - May 20 with 1355 viewsHoop_Du_Jour

Brexit Argument Over on 00:31 - May 20 by Brightonhoop

Well I guess your right wing views disguised as fascism thank their lucky stars Boy George didn't increase UK debt by £555 Bn. The silence of indignation is deafening. But hey, vote out, we're safe in their Etonian hands.


If the "Etonians" screw it up, the electorate can exercise their democratic right to vote for another set of Oxbridge pigs to wet their snouts in the trough of Westminister.
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Brexit Argument Over on 09:01 - May 20 with 1327 viewsTheBlob

Brexit Argument Over on 00:31 - May 20 by Brightonhoop

Well I guess your right wing views disguised as fascism thank their lucky stars Boy George didn't increase UK debt by £555 Bn. The silence of indignation is deafening. But hey, vote out, we're safe in their Etonian hands.


The national debt is the national debt,it keeps rolling round no matter who is in power.I notice you weren't wringing your hands in outraged angst when the last lot were in power and the numbers were spinning around like one armed bandit tumblers.

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Brexit Argument Over on 00:57 - May 21 with 1212 viewsBrightonhoop

Brexit Argument Over on 09:01 - May 20 by TheBlob

The national debt is the national debt,it keeps rolling round no matter who is in power.I notice you weren't wringing your hands in outraged angst when the last lot were in power and the numbers were spinning around like one armed bandit tumblers.


Difference was they weren't tipping disabled out of wheel chairs, for sport. Food banks hadn't been invented. And austerity to salvage the National Debt position hadm't been floated. To double the National Debt in the context of paying down National Debt is a catastrophe that makes Gordon Brown look like a genius,

No one quite flounces like you Blob, flounce away lol
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Brexit Argument Over on 08:36 - May 21 with 1166 viewsTheBlob

Brexit Argument Over on 00:57 - May 21 by Brightonhoop

Difference was they weren't tipping disabled out of wheel chairs, for sport. Food banks hadn't been invented. And austerity to salvage the National Debt position hadm't been floated. To double the National Debt in the context of paying down National Debt is a catastrophe that makes Gordon Brown look like a genius,

No one quite flounces like you Blob, flounce away lol
[Post edited 21 May 2016 1:27]


You got Rabies or something?Loads of that in Spain.

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Brexit Argument Over on 08:54 - May 21 with 1160 viewsTheBlob

F*ck me,is this the level of debate we've sunk to?
Poor old Blob with nary a political bone in his body save that which relates to survival( and probably not even then) gets dug out as a Fascist?
Oh god it's saturday isn't it?Must goose step off to the bathroom to bang an iron over me old Swastika armband,can't have a shabby Schutzstaffler about the house can we,what would Mein Fuhrer think?

Sieg Heil my babies.
[Post edited 21 May 2016 8:57]

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Brexit Argument Over on 11:27 - May 21 with 1111 viewsessextaxiboy

Brexit Argument Over on 00:57 - May 21 by Brightonhoop

Difference was they weren't tipping disabled out of wheel chairs, for sport. Food banks hadn't been invented. And austerity to salvage the National Debt position hadm't been floated. To double the National Debt in the context of paying down National Debt is a catastrophe that makes Gordon Brown look like a genius,

No one quite flounces like you Blob, flounce away lol
[Post edited 21 May 2016 1:27]


Its like trying to turn a tanker round. You have to get into a surplus position before you can reduce debt .
Every month you fall short you have to borrow more to cover fixed expenses and the interest on existing debt.
There can only be 3 solutions , collect more income IE raise taxes, borrow more to make the payments , or reduce fixed expenses . This Government as you would expect Torys to do chooses the latter .
The other two are a slow road to copying the Greek path
I agree that results are not great , but we have to tough it out IMO .

Brexit would help , use some of the money to finance infrastructure projects which would bring in Taxes.

Use some of it as a reserve to make good the balance of payments when we fall short so we dont increase the debt .

Gordon Brown was the bloke who maxxed out the credit card ,so that we are finding it difficult to make the minimum payments .
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