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Woy Wong? 14:13 - May 31 with 10305 views

Lblock

I'd sooner take Andros T than Sick Note Sturridge.

In fact I'd sooner take anyone than Sicknote!!!

Oh well

Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal

Woy Wong? on 14:21 - May 31 with 4532 views

bosh67

Very surprised. For me Andros Townsend offers so much more than Ross Barkley, who has looked really poor.

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Woy Wong? on 14:25 - May 31 with 4513 views

Northernr

TBF a month ago everybody was up in arms that Townsend was included at all, now people want him to go instead of somebody else.

Leaving Drinkwater out is the risk, because it leaves us very reliant on Jack Wheelchair. That said, jury is out on Drinkwater for me - I'd look good playing next to Kante in midfield.

Woy Wong? on 14:26 - May 31 with 4504 views

ingeminate

Woy Wong? on 14:21 - May 31 by bosh67
Very surprised. For me Andros Townsend offers so much more than Ross Barkley, who has looked really poor.

Baffling!

Townsend is a player in form - some really nice touches other night against Oz - and like you say Barkley has been terrible recently.

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Woy Wong? on 14:28 - May 31 with 4498 views

paulparker

Roy is a useless gimp unless you of course you play for Liverpool

so Drinkwater plays 38 league games , wins the league , MOM for a lot of the season but cannot get in the squad
Henderson & Wiltshire meanwhile cannot complete 20 games between them as they are always injured they are not match fit yet find themselves in the squad, you watch they will be injured during this tournament and we will be fckued

also why take Sturridge, he is lazy, injured, uninterested and unfit , he isn't a team player at all, if you are a goal down and need someone to change a game you bring on Townsend he has pace, can shoot, cross a ball and can play on the left if needs be

we are carrying 3 sicknotes on overrated reputations , apart from Vardy who has the pace in the team who else do we have who can run at people

we will not get out of the group stages, Hodgson is a dinosaur yes man who should be no where near a team of exciting young talent

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

Woy Wong? on 14:31 - May 31 with 4488 views

simmo

Townsend shouldn't have been in contention and shouldn't go. Rashford is lucky that he plays for United but then he took his chance really well and has dealt with every step up without missing a beat.

I said as much elsewhere but for me this means 2 things

1) Hodgson is taking Rooney as a midfielder
2) He doesn't trust anyone enough to play alongside Dier, so will play 4-4-2 tight diamond, which is the formation I would have gone for too.

http://bbc.in/1Y0OUJG - I think it will be that, which I quite like TBH. Barkley, Sterling, Sturridge as impact players, Milner, Lallana as back up across various positions in that team.

ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead

Woy Wong? on 14:32 - May 31 with 4487 views

daveB

said it when the 26 were announced he'd had to find a way in for Rashford as it would be the popular choice ahead of better players. Daft call to leave out Drinkwater. I'd have left out Barkley who is well out of form and either Sturridge or Rashford depending on if sick note is fit.

We really have no wingers in the squad so difficult to find a plan B without Townsend

Woy Wong? on 14:37 - May 31 with 4466 views

simmo

Woy Wong? on 14:32 - May 31 by daveB
said it when the 26 were announced he'd had to find a way in for Rashford as it would be the popular choice ahead of better players. Daft call to leave out Drinkwater. I'd have left out Barkley who is well out of form and either Sturridge or Rashford depending on if sick note is fit. We really have no wingers in the squad so difficult to find a plan B without Townsend

Tottenham and Leicester / Kane and Vardy, neither play wingers. We won't either, we've played a variation of 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2 tight diamond. We don't need wingers the way we play and with the full backs we have.

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Woy Wong? on 14:37 - May 31 with 4466 views

whittocksRs

You just know Woy is the sort of bloke who really begrudges having to play Vardy up front. He'd much prefer to start with Man Utd 12-year-olds because Old Trafford is the Theatre of Fcking Dreams and Leicester play their home games opposite a Holiday Inn. Rashford. Christ almighty. Defoe must be fuming.

Woy Wong? on 14:40 - May 31 with 4450 views

Toast_R

I would have dropped Milner because he don't do much other then give the ball away and run around like a headless chicken. "But he works hard"

And Lallana. Because he's sh*t.

Woy Wong? on 14:45 - May 31 with 4439 views

Northernr

Woy Wong? on 14:37 - May 31 by simmo
Tottenham and Leicester / Kane and Vardy, neither play wingers. We won't either, we've played a variation of 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2 tight diamond. We don't need wingers the way we play and with the full backs we have.

He'll play Vardy out of position on he wing to no effect should the need for a winger arise.

Woy Wong? on 14:45 - May 31 with 4436 views

danehoop

Woy Wong? on 14:37 - May 31 by whittocksRs
You just know Woy is the sort of bloke who really begrudges having to play Vardy up front. He'd much prefer to start with Man Utd 12-year-olds because Old Trafford is the Theatre of Fcking Dreams and Leicester play their home games opposite a Holiday Inn. Rashford. Christ almighty. Defoe must be fuming.

Really gutted for Drinkwater. Been great for the champions this year and thought he looked good against Australia and fitted in well. Roy really is a big club England manager, no way sturridge should be going. Doubt Vardy will get a game. Really not at all surprised though, he has pretty much used the same core of players since he got the job and taken same approach. Forecast a steady unexciting failure.

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Woy Wong? on 14:49 - May 31 with 4428 views

daveB

Woy Wong? on 14:37 - May 31 by simmo
Tottenham and Leicester / Kane and Vardy, neither play wingers. We won't either, we've played a variation of 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2 tight diamond. We don't need wingers the way we play and with the full backs we have.

I bet we start the first game 4-3-3 with a striker on the wing so taking a winger to play that role makes more sense to me.

Woy Wong? on 14:50 - May 31 with 4420 views

daveB

Woy Wong? on 14:45 - May 31 by danehoop

to be fair to him he has massively changed the squad since he took over and always pushed youth. As he's old and boring that gets lost sometimes. Look at the squad when he took over and how it looks now and it's been a massive change

Woy Wong? on 14:50 - May 31 with 4418 views

Antti_Heinola

As usual, we all probably agree on 19 or 20 of the 23, and will argue over the 3 or 4 borderline decisions - none of which are likely to cost us very much either way (Rashford is certainly a potent wild card though).

When selecting a squad you have to look at loads more than just current form. Especially when travelling for several weeks. You might have a good player who perhaps deserves a spot in the 23, but if he's going to be benched and is a player who handles that badly and is a nuisance, you're better off getting more of a team player in (hence one of the reasons Milner is a perennial pick). Then there are 'big' game players - Sturridge is not everyone's cuppa, but he scores goals in big games against good teams. If fit, he has to go.

I'm always a fan of taking 5 strikers, so very happy Rashford is going. Any squad can take one leftfield, young choice and he'll be happy to go whether he plays or not. I suspect he'll get a few minutes, especially if Rooney does drop deeper. Worth a shot, without doubt.

Townsend? Done OK for Newcastle in a few games. Not enough for me. His crossing, passing ans shooting are all lacking.

Drinkwater very unlucky, without a doubt. Henderson and Barkley (in particular) will be heaving a huge sigh of relief.

Bare bones.

Woy Wong? on 14:52 - May 31 with 4413 views

TacticalR

I haven't seen much of him this season, but I thought this discussion in the middle of last season about Townsend was spot on...

Platt and Jenas discussing Townsend
http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/forum/136819/platt-and-j

Air hostess clique

Woy Wong? on 14:53 - May 31 with 4404 views

paulparker

Woy Wong? on 14:40 - May 31 by Toast_R
I would have dropped Milner because he don't do much other then give the ball away and run around like a headless chicken. "But he works hard" And Lallana. Because he's sh*t.

they both play for Liverpool so that's out the question

clyne plays superb for Southampton didn't get a sniff for England until he went to Liverpool

Glen Johnson plays sh1t all season for Liverpool but is 1st choice right back for England, goes to stoke and doesn't get a sniff anymore

Danny Ings banged in about 15 goals for Burnley but doesn't get a sniff for England
gets a transfer to Liverpool , plays on the wing a couple of times scores no goals but gets a call up

Andy Carroll , played in the last Euros for England whilst at Liverpool did ok gets transferred to West ham and hasn't played since

Henderson got run ragged in the last world cup , is injured pretty much all season but gets in a head of Drinkwater who ran through walls for Leicester winning the league

Sturridge not played for England for 2 years , is lazy, injured and cannot run for more than 10 minutes gets in because he plays for Liverpool

Lallana & Milner have no pace, cant take set pieces , don't score , cant string a 5 yard pass to each other and are 2 of the worst footballers going , but oh yeah they play for Liverpool

if I were Townsend, Drinkwater , Cresswell , Noble , Carroll id be on to my agent looking for a move to Liverpool if I wanted a career with England , then again I wouldn't blame any of them if they told that useless tvvat woy to do one

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

Woy Wong? on 15:01 - May 31 with 4379 views

kensalriser

Woy Wong? on 14:53 - May 31 by paulparker

But apart from that you're all good with it?

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Woy Wong? on 15:21 - May 31 with 4319 views

Antti_Heinola

Woy Wong? on 14:53 - May 31 by paulparker

I think Hodgson may favour the odd Liverpool player who played under him, but I don't think the evidence is that clear cut.

Clyne was called up for England and made his debut while at Southampton.

Carroll made his debut for England while at Newcastle. Played a few times while at Liverpool, and again while on loan at West Ham. In his first full season at West Ham after his transfer, he scored 2 goals. So he lost his international place. Due to that and, you know, being injured all the time.

Ings scored 11 Prem goals, which earned him the Liverpool deal, which, once he played for them, earned him a quick peek into the squad. Nothing sinister there is there?

Henderson made his debut while at Sunderland. He was injured right at the end of the season, but had otherwise played consistently since December, including in big games against Man U and Dortmund in Europe (although I'd probably have taken Drinkwater, admittedly - not Henderson's biggest fan).

Sturridge is hugely frustrating, but he scores goals when fit against the best defences, simple as that. Hugely valuable asset to have, whatever you think of his work ethic. Would have been picked regardless of who he played for.

Lallana and Milner are both good passers, not sure what that's about. Milner is a great squad man, like it or not, every international side will take 2 or 3 of these because you don't want someone sitting around whingeing all day because he's not playing. Superb pro, not the best player ever, but useful. And was picked for his country regardless of which club he's been at over the years.

Townsend has certainly done no more than that lot to get in the squad. Drinkwater is unlucky. Cresswell... certainly on a par with Bertrand and Rose, but it's a toss up really. Noble? Nah, not for me. He's ok. If anything, it's more 'big team bias', not Liverpool bias. West Ham, QPR, Ipswich, Leicester... these teams have always struggled to get their players into the England squad.

Wilshere also lucky to be in the squad, but he doesn't play for Liverpool.

Like Hodgson, though. Good manager.

Bare bones.

Woy Wong? on 15:26 - May 31 with 4304 views

daveB

Woy Wong? on 14:50 - May 31 by Antti_Heinola

I rate Sturridge but not sure he's someone who will be happy in a camp as 4th or 5th choice striker.

Woy Wong? on 15:35 - May 31 with 4271 views

Northernr

Woy Wong? on 15:26 - May 31 by daveB
I rate Sturridge but not sure he's someone who will be happy in a camp as 4th or 5th choice striker.

He won't be any choice unless he stops being a fcking tart and gets on the bloody pitch.

Woy Wong? on 15:38 - May 31 with 4258 views

daveB

Woy Wong? on 15:35 - May 31 by Northernr
He won't be any choice unless he stops being a fcking tart and gets on the bloody pitch.

He should be more like his rough tough Uncle who played through the pain barrier for us

Woy Wong? on 15:40 - May 31 with 4245 views

Northernr

Woy Wong? on 15:38 - May 31 by daveB
He should be more like his rough tough Uncle who played through the pain barrier for us

It's fcking pathetic. I gave up on him last week sitting out the friendlies with a face like a smacked ars because of a "calf strain". Exactly like his uncle.
We can't all be Gareth Ainsworth but fck me, calf strain my arse.

Woy Wong? on 15:45 - May 31 with 4228 views

Antti_Heinola

Woy Wong? on 15:26 - May 31 by daveB
I rate Sturridge but not sure he's someone who will be happy in a camp as 4th or 5th choice striker.

I do agree with that! A risk taking him. I'm sure that was one of the things the coaching staff were split on. Rumour is Neville wanted Townsend - in favour of who, though? Sturridge? Rashford? Or a midfielder?

Bare bones.

Woy Wong? on 15:46 - May 31 with 4223 views

PhilmyRs

The lack of genuine wide players is a big concern. Townsend at least offered you a specialist, someone brought up on wing play, and cutting in from the right also had a goal in him. From memory, he’s picked up a few useful goals for England in the past which a lot of the other names haven’t done. If you look at the list of midfielders in the squad, not many have scored (if at all) for England. You need a few goals from midfield during a tournament.

I disagree strongly with those that wouldn’t take Jack Wilshire. Every tournament, when the inevitable happens and England crash out, our inability to keep the ball, our lack of composure and failure to spot a pass is jumped on (with good reason) by the critics. Jack Wilshire is probably the most composed midfield player available. Someone not afraid to put his foot on the ball and play a pass to feet. That quality alone would mean he makes the cut for me, and if able to prove his fitness before the tournament begins, would make my starting 11. I find it strange people can write him off. He’s suited to tournament football.

And I take the point about Ross Barkley being out of form and a few questions being asked about his inclusion. But if he rediscovers his form over the next few weeks and takes to the tournament like I think he could, we have someone a bit different. A two footed midfielder that can spot a pass and run with the ball. Qualities that shouldn’t be overlooked simply because he’s a bit low on confidence. Build him up (mentally) and he’ll be some player.

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Woy Wong? on 15:49 - May 31 with 4210 views

Toast_R

I think Townsend is decent and gives the team something different, especially as a substitute and has that ability to hit a blockbuster out of nothing. That's a huge loss to the squad IMO as that kind of thing changes games. See his contribution for England that got us over the line in the last WC qualifiers.

Lallana.
Milner
Henderson

I just don't see what any of them do out of the ordinary. Milner is nothing but a "playing for penalties" player.

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