| Stadium in Greenford 12:27 - Oct 10 with 12639 views | PlanetHonneywood |
I will try putting the picture up from the North Greenford Residents Association monthly newsletter.
However, a mate has just alerted me to a comment that a proposal to redevelop the Butlers warehouse site on Oldfield Lane just up from Greenford station, includes reference to a '...proposals for a huge football stadium.''
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| Stadium in Greenford on 22:13 - Oct 10 with 2857 views | WokingR |
| Stadium in Greenford on 22:09 - Oct 10 by QPR_John |
Out of interest what kind of capacity would a redesigned LR have |
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Because if we are doing it, we should do it right and I'd quite like a big leather recliner |  | | |
| Stadium in Greenford on 22:23 - Oct 10 with 2827 views | sexton |
| Stadium in Greenford on 18:04 - Oct 10 by Hayesender |
As in trains yes, and when Crossrail opens in a couple of years time, it'll be even easier to get to.
Not that I wanna move to Greenford. Second only to Hayes as the biggest shithole in west London |
When Crossrail opens the Greenford branch will terminate at West Ealing.
So Paddington-Greenford will mean a change at West Ealing. Good Waitrose next door. |  | | |
| Stadium in Greenford on 22:27 - Oct 10 with 2815 views | CamberleyR |
| Stadium in Greenford on 22:04 - Oct 10 by QPR_John |
Redesigned for extra space per person suggest a smaller capacity. So a smaller attendance than now which is one of the lowest in the Championship as it is. I love LR as much as anybody, I remember it when the Ellerslie Road stand was the only seating area, but now it is just not a stadium that can support a club in the Championship in the long term. [Post edited 10 Oct 2016 22:11]
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"Redesigned for extra space per person suggest a smaller capacity. So a smaller attendance than now which is one of the lowest in the Championship as it is"
There are also eight clubs with grounds bigger than ours in L1 and three more in L2. Only Bournemouth in the Premier League and Burton, Rotherham and Brentford in the Championship have smaller capacities. So that doesn't even put us in the top 50 in terms of ground capacity. Staying at LR just means managed decline. |  |
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| Stadium in Greenford on 22:42 - Oct 10 with 2780 views | PunteR |
| Stadium in Greenford on 22:27 - Oct 10 by CamberleyR |
"Redesigned for extra space per person suggest a smaller capacity. So a smaller attendance than now which is one of the lowest in the Championship as it is"
There are also eight clubs with grounds bigger than ours in L1 and three more in L2. Only Bournemouth in the Premier League and Burton, Rotherham and Brentford in the Championship have smaller capacities. So that doesn't even put us in the top 50 in terms of ground capacity. Staying at LR just means managed decline. |
A bigger stadium doesn't necessarily mean success though.
I think the training ground is more important. We need to get it right on the pitch first before a new stadium otherwise we are in the brown stuff. Bouncing around the championship isn't going to bring the crowds in... Unless of course we do have leather reclining chairs fitted. |  |
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| Stadium in Greenford on 23:09 - Oct 10 with 2737 views | CamberleyR |
| Stadium in Greenford on 22:42 - Oct 10 by PunteR |
A bigger stadium doesn't necessarily mean success though.
I think the training ground is more important. We need to get it right on the pitch first before a new stadium otherwise we are in the brown stuff. Bouncing around the championship isn't going to bring the crowds in... Unless of course we do have leather reclining chairs fitted. |
No, a bigger stadium doesn't mean you'll get success but for every Coventry you have teams like Leicester, Hull, Swansea, Middlesbrough, Derby, Brighton, Reading even Bolton (although they chased the dream too hard) who built their fanbases and had relative success after moving to a bigger, new ground. No way would a team like Reading who for 90% of their existence have rattled around the bottom two divisions have made the top division for the first time had they stayed at ramshackle, run down 14K Elm Park. I agree that the training ground is bigger priority though. Apparently it was not fit for purpose when the filth used it last a dozen years ago. [Post edited 10 Oct 2016 23:12]
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| Stadium in Greenford on 23:39 - Oct 10 with 2703 views | PunteR |
| Stadium in Greenford on 23:09 - Oct 10 by CamberleyR |
No, a bigger stadium doesn't mean you'll get success but for every Coventry you have teams like Leicester, Hull, Swansea, Middlesbrough, Derby, Brighton, Reading even Bolton (although they chased the dream too hard) who built their fanbases and had relative success after moving to a bigger, new ground. No way would a team like Reading who for 90% of their existence have rattled around the bottom two divisions have made the top division for the first time had they stayed at ramshackle, run down 14K Elm Park. I agree that the training ground is bigger priority though. Apparently it was not fit for purpose when the filth used it last a dozen years ago. [Post edited 10 Oct 2016 23:12]
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All those teams you mentioned have one thing in common and that is they are all one club towns or city's. Its a lot easier to build their fanbase Imo.
Is it the stadiums that brought success or investing in the right players and managers?
We've been promoted twice to the premier league while at Loftus rd so our little ground has brought a bit of luck and success.
If we didn't spunk £200 mill + on dross and spent beyond our means, we'd be laughing. | |
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| Stadium in Greenford on 23:52 - Oct 10 with 2683 views | qprjeff1882 |
Just had a look on google maps and not sure if iv'e got the right site. Directly in between Oldfield lane and Greenford rd? If it is that site compared to our current site it's huge, about 3.5 times bigger.
Has to be us as Chelsea are looking to develop SB and Brentford are sorted. Also if it's in a newsletter like that being published then if it is us then discussions must be at quite an advanced stage to have been given green light to be printed.
Be interesting now if the club come out and say anything. Could just be an alternative to Old oak but can't see things moving too quickly there as lots of companies must be arguing lots over potential sites and land. |  | | |
| Stadium in Greenford on 23:58 - Oct 10 with 2677 views | LythamR |
| Stadium in Greenford on 19:28 - Oct 10 by onlyrinmoray |
and Shepherds Bush is a picturesque part of West London ?
I used to work for Rockware Glass is it that site that's being allegedly considered ?
I played for North Greenford Utd and met my wife at the Oldfield Hotel so Ive a lot of ancient history connections to that area |
I think the old Rockware site was turned into a retail park some years ago, I think the site being discussed is between Greenford road and oldfield lane the other side of greenford road from the old rock ware site north of the railway line and south of the grand union. [Post edited 10 Oct 2016 23:58]
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| Stadium in Greenford on 01:01 - Oct 11 with 2636 views | Boston |
| Stadium in Greenford on 22:23 - Oct 10 by sexton |
When Crossrail opens the Greenford branch will terminate at West Ealing.
So Paddington-Greenford will mean a change at West Ealing. Good Waitrose next door. |
Surely we can get a tube station built under the stadium and worra 'bout the heli pad come to that? | |
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| Stadium in Greenford on 07:32 - Oct 11 with 2533 views | Gloucs_R |
Any evidence of this development? |  |
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| Stadium in Greenford on 08:20 - Oct 11 with 2494 views | blacky200 |
| Stadium in Greenford on 23:39 - Oct 10 by PunteR |
All those teams you mentioned have one thing in common and that is they are all one club towns or city's. Its a lot easier to build their fanbase Imo.
Is it the stadiums that brought success or investing in the right players and managers?
We've been promoted twice to the premier league while at Loftus rd so our little ground has brought a bit of luck and success.
If we didn't spunk £200 mill + on dross and spent beyond our means, we'd be laughing. |
But you are only looking at the football side of things which is once every other week at the most. If the club want to be successful then we would also have to be able to use the ground for more than just football. If they get permission for concerts etc then the income generated by football would be a small percentage of the total income of the ground.
This can then be used to build the club (better players) and as we have seen a successful club attracts more people. |  | | |
| Stadium in Greenford on 09:25 - Oct 11 with 2427 views | hoof_hearted |
| Stadium in Greenford on 07:32 - Oct 11 by Gloucs_R |
Any evidence of this development? |
Yes. Clear and unequivocal evidence that QPR are building a stadium in Greenford.
What's that you say nurse? Time for my medication. Oh good num num num num num num... |  | | |
| Stadium in Greenford on 09:41 - Oct 11 with 2404 views | wrinklyhoop |
| Stadium in Greenford on 22:27 - Oct 10 by CamberleyR |
"Redesigned for extra space per person suggest a smaller capacity. So a smaller attendance than now which is one of the lowest in the Championship as it is"
There are also eight clubs with grounds bigger than ours in L1 and three more in L2. Only Bournemouth in the Premier League and Burton, Rotherham and Brentford in the Championship have smaller capacities. So that doesn't even put us in the top 50 in terms of ground capacity. Staying at LR just means managed decline. |
Bigger grounds don't always mean bigger crowds. Do you have average crowd figures for those L1/L2 clubs, since you're up on the stats? | | | |
| Stadium in Greenford on 10:07 - Oct 11 with 2375 views | CamberleyR |
| Stadium in Greenford on 09:41 - Oct 11 by wrinklyhoop |
Bigger grounds don't always mean bigger crowds. Do you have average crowd figures for those L1/L2 clubs, since you're up on the stats? |
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/aveeng.htm
Currently this season there are 38 teams in the top 4 divisions with a bigger average crowd than us (19 PL teams, 16 in the Championship, 2 in L1 (Sheff U, Bradford) and Portsmouth in L2. | |
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| Stadium in Greenford on 10:24 - Oct 11 with 2342 views | paulparker |
| Stadium in Greenford on 20:57 - Oct 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'd be very happy if we stayed in exactly the same site, with a stadium we can actually fill, just refurbished and designed for people over 5'5 in height.
Loftus Road (tarted up or not) or nothing for me. |
Now brace yourself Baz,
I 100% agree with you on this , why cant we knock down the SA and rebuild it into a 3 or 4 tier stand , you could even do the same with the school end , it may mean sharing with Fulham or Brentford for a couple of years but so what if we keep LR
the day we move to the "Air Asia" bowl with hot dogs and popcorn is the day im out |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Stadium in Greenford on 10:57 - Oct 11 with 2117 views | PunteR |
| Stadium in Greenford on 08:20 - Oct 11 by blacky200 |
But you are only looking at the football side of things which is once every other week at the most. If the club want to be successful then we would also have to be able to use the ground for more than just football. If they get permission for concerts etc then the income generated by football would be a small percentage of the total income of the ground.
This can then be used to build the club (better players) and as we have seen a successful club attracts more people. |
So why don't the Malaysians just build a music venue and keep us at Loftus Road.?
Obviously selling the land at Loftus road would help with the finance of the venue.
The football is more important because that is what will sell around the world.. If we're successful.
Do many clubs use their ground for other events? | |
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| Stadium in Greenford on 11:02 - Oct 11 with 2108 views | Northernr |
| Stadium in Greenford on 16:49 - Oct 10 by Hayesender |
Piece of pish from Paddington. Direct trains to Greenford from there |
Not for long. When Crossrail opens the Greenford train will start and stop at West Ealing and you change there, they've just finished putting a new platform in at West Ealing specifically for it. Train geek out. |  | | |
| Stadium in Greenford on 11:04 - Oct 11 with 2102 views | DeepcutHoop |
| Stadium in Greenford on 10:24 - Oct 11 by paulparker |
Now brace yourself Baz,
I 100% agree with you on this , why cant we knock down the SA and rebuild it into a 3 or 4 tier stand , you could even do the same with the school end , it may mean sharing with Fulham or Brentford for a couple of years but so what if we keep LR
the day we move to the "Air Asia" bowl with hot dogs and popcorn is the day im out |
We cannot redevelop LR, we can't go any higher than it currently is.
If you are 'out' of QPR because we move to a new stadium, good riddance frankly.
I love Loftus Road as much as the next man, but I support QPR, not the stadium. | | | |
| Stadium in Greenford on 11:35 - Oct 11 with 2055 views | paulparker |
| Stadium in Greenford on 11:04 - Oct 11 by DeepcutHoop |
We cannot redevelop LR, we can't go any higher than it currently is.
If you are 'out' of QPR because we move to a new stadium, good riddance frankly.
I love Loftus Road as much as the next man, but I support QPR, not the stadium. |
And how do you know we cant redevelop the SA
I have supported this club well over 30 years and im now a 4th generation rangers fan , im no bigger or better supporter than anyone else far from it , QPR is a unique club always has always will be, we gave the big boys a punch on the nose when we played them at HQ by playing good football and getting at them , we are a small club with a fantastic tradition and the thought of spending Saturdays in a soulless bowl with cheap seats given to Johnny come latelys from tonys housing project is not the QPR I grew up with and its not the future QPR I want to see either ,
so if your happy having your £5.60 pint with nachos and popcorn and being told when to stand and when to sing then your welcome to it ,
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| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Stadium in Greenford on 11:36 - Oct 11 with 2054 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Stadium in Greenford on 07:32 - Oct 11 by Gloucs_R |
Any evidence of this development? |
For some reason (probably technical inability) I can't load the picture of the article in question on here.
However, I think the key points are firstly, the North Greenford Resident's Association does not have a 'QPR agenda' and secondly, I was quite clear that the piece in question makes reference to an application for 'a huge football stadium'.
I am not aware of anyone other than QPR, currently looking to build and assuming the NGRA have relevant info about such an application (and they were spot on about the Glaxo development in the late 90s and every thing since) the question I guess, are we the potentially interested party?
Accordingly, as the NGRA's focus is solely about developments in the area, then it appears that they have become aware of something of potential interest.
Having come from that part of the world, it would be a nightmare. The roads are already rammed and with further housing development from the top of the Greenford Road to Greenford station under way, added match day traffic will lead to gridlock and the parking of the bus will take on more meaning when you're stuck on a 92 coming down from Sudbury Hll!
There are two close pubs, the Railway and the Black Horse. The local GAA might open up on Horsenden Hill and the Ballot Box might also get trade as well. The Greenwood on the Whitton Avenue is probably not much further than the C&S to HQ, but that is not going to be enough.
If this is true and if any club, much less us is seriously looking at this site, it would be a poor site due to massively rising congestion and poor amenities in the area for an added influx of thirsty and hungry fans. | |
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| Stadium in Greenford on 11:39 - Oct 11 with 2050 views | CamberleyR |
| Stadium in Greenford on 10:57 - Oct 11 by PunteR |
So why don't the Malaysians just build a music venue and keep us at Loftus Road.?
Obviously selling the land at Loftus road would help with the finance of the venue.
The football is more important because that is what will sell around the world.. If we're successful.
Do many clubs use their ground for other events? |
Very few of the "new" (I.e last 20 years) grounds have held concerts, it's the conferencing/banqueting/hotel facilities that bring money in.
I love LR for it's charm as an old fashioned football ground and a dying breed as much as the next man and have experienced being cramped in the seating in SAR and ER many times but having sat in row Z in block V in Ellerslie for the Sunderland game, trying to squeeze my 6 feet 4 self into a seat with a seat pitch meant for someone about two feet shorter than me, that had to be the worst sitting experience I have ever had at a football match and I was dreading extra time and having to sit there for another 30 minutes.
Even Mrs Camberley who has been to a few games at LR with me and knows what's it's usually like said it was ridiculously bad and then having the view slightly obscured by the overhanging gantry, that put the tin hat on it for me. If I was wavering before that game about moving (probably not), I certainly wasn't after it. | |
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| Stadium in Greenford on 11:58 - Oct 11 with 2024 views | LongsufferingR |
| Stadium in Greenford on 11:36 - Oct 11 by PlanetHonneywood |
For some reason (probably technical inability) I can't load the picture of the article in question on here.
However, I think the key points are firstly, the North Greenford Resident's Association does not have a 'QPR agenda' and secondly, I was quite clear that the piece in question makes reference to an application for 'a huge football stadium'.
I am not aware of anyone other than QPR, currently looking to build and assuming the NGRA have relevant info about such an application (and they were spot on about the Glaxo development in the late 90s and every thing since) the question I guess, are we the potentially interested party?
Accordingly, as the NGRA's focus is solely about developments in the area, then it appears that they have become aware of something of potential interest.
Having come from that part of the world, it would be a nightmare. The roads are already rammed and with further housing development from the top of the Greenford Road to Greenford station under way, added match day traffic will lead to gridlock and the parking of the bus will take on more meaning when you're stuck on a 92 coming down from Sudbury Hll!
There are two close pubs, the Railway and the Black Horse. The local GAA might open up on Horsenden Hill and the Ballot Box might also get trade as well. The Greenwood on the Whitton Avenue is probably not much further than the C&S to HQ, but that is not going to be enough.
If this is true and if any club, much less us is seriously looking at this site, it would be a poor site due to massively rising congestion and poor amenities in the area for an added influx of thirsty and hungry fans. |
If, and it's a big if, it is us looking to move there, it wouldn't just be a case of plonking a new stadium in the middle of inadequate roads. You can be sure there would also be a huge upgrade of the surrounding infrastructure.
Having said that, I've never been there, so I might be talking out of my harris. |  | | |
| Stadium in Greenford on 13:09 - Oct 11 with 1931 views | LythamR |
| Stadium in Greenford on 11:35 - Oct 11 by paulparker |
And how do you know we cant redevelop the SA
I have supported this club well over 30 years and im now a 4th generation rangers fan , im no bigger or better supporter than anyone else far from it , QPR is a unique club always has always will be, we gave the big boys a punch on the nose when we played them at HQ by playing good football and getting at them , we are a small club with a fantastic tradition and the thought of spending Saturdays in a soulless bowl with cheap seats given to Johnny come latelys from tonys housing project is not the QPR I grew up with and its not the future QPR I want to see either ,
so if your happy having your £5.60 pint with nachos and popcorn and being told when to stand and when to sing then your welcome to it ,
be careful what you wish for |
Time and again various boards have investigated redeveloping LR to has clearly been the desired option for previous owners (perhaps not Fernandes) its just not possible they have looked at all sorts of different models and none of them get close to working. the only time redevelopment had a real chance was when Wright was offered the land behind the school end but he turned it down and that was our last best chance,.
As for the Greenford location, like John I can't see it working the congestion would be appalling with our current capacity never mind 30,000 plus | | | |
| Stadium in Greenford on 14:42 - Oct 11 with 1850 views | NW10Hoop |
| Stadium in Greenford on 23:39 - Oct 10 by PunteR |
All those teams you mentioned have one thing in common and that is they are all one club towns or city's. Its a lot easier to build their fanbase Imo.
Is it the stadiums that brought success or investing in the right players and managers?
We've been promoted twice to the premier league while at Loftus rd so our little ground has brought a bit of luck and success.
If we didn't spunk £200 mill + on dross and spent beyond our means, we'd be laughing. |
Yes you are right but even in this crowded city Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, West Ham, Charlton, Crystal Palace, Fulham, AFC Wimbledon and Dulwich Hamlet are all bigger than they were 20 years ago. Many having improved or moved stadiums.
Arsenal pre-Wegner, and pre-Emirates were a big, nationally renowned side. A new brand of football, a sustained period of hitting their targets, and then a new Stadium and you have one of the biggest teams in the world.
Now, I know that are ambitions are nowhere near as lofty. But the medium term aim stated by the club is to be back in the Premier League. Hit that target, and then sustain it - and you'll have a new set of supporters following the club. There is a continuous flow into West London from other parts of England and the World. Many of these people are already savvy enough to hate Chelsea. It's not that hard to see that a QPR playing attractive football in a Stadium that has modern facilities, and has a GENUINELY family friendly section could grow into a 30,000 regulars club |  | | |
| Stadium in Greenford on 15:40 - Oct 11 with 1751 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Stadium in Greenford on 11:58 - Oct 11 by LongsufferingR |
If, and it's a big if, it is us looking to move there, it wouldn't just be a case of plonking a new stadium in the middle of inadequate roads. You can be sure there would also be a huge upgrade of the surrounding infrastructure.
Having said that, I've never been there, so I might be talking out of my harris. |
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