| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? 13:46 - Jan 17 with 8370 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Hows it looking from your side. |  |
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| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 16:32 - Jan 17 with 1748 views | Brightonhoop |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 16:22 - Jan 17 by MrSheen |
The pound below 1 Euro? You want to shop around. E1.134 the overnight low, E1.1565 at present, up 1.75% today, for what that's worth. |
It's u from this morning after her speach yes, but went below 1 euro overnight in speculating. It's down from 1.44. high last year re vote. God only knows where it will fall to on triggering A50 and what BoE will have to send in gold bars to prop it up. It's a truly frightening prospect for the national currency and reserves. |  | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 16:36 - Jan 17 with 1715 views | MrSheen |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 16:32 - Jan 17 by Brightonhoop |
It's u from this morning after her speach yes, but went below 1 euro overnight in speculating. It's down from 1.44. high last year re vote. God only knows where it will fall to on triggering A50 and what BoE will have to send in gold bars to prop it up. It's a truly frightening prospect for the national currency and reserves. |
Honestly, where in the world did it drop below 1 Euro? E1.1297 is the lowest on my Bloomberg. If you can find evidence it ever traded below E1 , I'll eat a bowl of Euro coins (airport bureaux de change excluded!). |  | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 16:38 - Jan 17 with 1693 views | MrSheen |
He makes good points about services, but there are errors there too. Any WTO member can CUT tariffs without retaliation - what would retaliation be? And the Colin Hay article is not great, refers to a UK double-dip recession that never happened post-revisions. | | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 16:45 - Jan 17 with 1670 views | Brightonhoop |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 16:36 - Jan 17 by MrSheen |
Honestly, where in the world did it drop below 1 Euro? E1.1297 is the lowest on my Bloomberg. If you can find evidence it ever traded below E1 , I'll eat a bowl of Euro coins (airport bureaux de change excluded!). |
Hands up, you're right. I read a headline on Huff post and this from the Indy but they were talking airport rates, £103 approx at Gatwick for 100 Euros.
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/pound-sterling-euro-value-sl
Rates today are nearly as bad as they were 4 years ago and a long, long way off the 1.44 rates of last summer re Ref. | | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 16:55 - Jan 17 with 1618 views | MrSheen |
I'm surprised ticket touts don't sit on the bench nearest them, shouting "Euros, who wants Euros? I'm buying and selling." | | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 16:57 - Jan 17 with 1614 views | Brightonhoop |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 16:55 - Jan 17 by MrSheen |
I'm surprised ticket touts don't sit on the bench nearest them, shouting "Euros, who wants Euros? I'm buying and selling." |
Hmmm you could be onto something there.... | | | |
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| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:10 - Jan 17 with 1553 views | QPR_John |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:27 - Jan 17 by Brightonhoop |
UK is a joke of a country. It's a basket case. Doormat for despots and tax avoiders, like an increasingly desperate crackhead. Unelected PM pursues non-mandated policy having backed Remain.
UK is totally fcked for decades if Parliament vote this through. If Parliament is allowed to vote.
It's all over bar the shouting, Scots Indy Ref 2 on the way, NI falling apart, Yanks plotting to seduce City of London, rising inflation, pound collapsing.
England's dreaming..... |
Out of interest when was the last PM directly elected. I assume you mean May became PM in the same way as Brown but in both cases elected as an MP |  | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:11 - Jan 17 with 1548 views | BostonR |
What price an early general election?
Whilst I am not a fan of Corbyn, I would not be totally surprised to see his left agenda run the Tories close (and they know it) The media have demonised him and the polls have him at rock-bottom, but all bets are off right now.
The political landscape could well change in the next year in the UK. I am in the US at the moment, awaiting Trumps crowning, but already the runners/riders are are positioning for 2020. There is a belief he will not see out office - as I say it has all changed. |  | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:16 - Jan 17 with 1526 views | QPR_John |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:47 - Jan 17 by PinnerPaul |
I thought Nige put his name to the amount quoted, we would "save" every week.
Less than 24 hours after the result was declared he said, on national TV, that quoting that figure - one of the main planks of the Leave campaign - had been a "mistake"
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Have we put the "Great" back in Great Britain yet? |
The biggest island in the British Isles is called Great Britain not England not Scotland and not Wales. So there is no need to put the "great" back because it never left. Always a good sound bite but in reality always incorrectly used. The UK is Great Britain and Northern Ireland | | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:21 - Jan 17 with 1518 views | QPR_John |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:50 - Jan 17 by FDC |
Man oh man. The spectacle of people who have been convinced that this country's problems stem from the EU and immigration, actually celebrating as a shower of Eton toffs systematically chip away at public services and individual liberties is quite something. |
Always found this point interesting. Why do you think the people of this country need the unelected EU to protect them from elected governments now and in the future | | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:21 - Jan 17 with 1519 views | FDC |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:11 - Jan 17 by BostonR |
What price an early general election?
Whilst I am not a fan of Corbyn, I would not be totally surprised to see his left agenda run the Tories close (and they know it) The media have demonised him and the polls have him at rock-bottom, but all bets are off right now.
The political landscape could well change in the next year in the UK. I am in the US at the moment, awaiting Trumps crowning, but already the runners/riders are are positioning for 2020. There is a belief he will not see out office - as I say it has all changed. |
I think if she (May) was going to do it she'd have done it immediately after the Tory leadership contest, to consolidate her position whilst Labour were self-immolating by trying to oust Corbyn when they should have been taking the Tories to task over the referendum.
Worth pointing out that since the Fixed Term Parliament Act the government can only call an early election with a two thirds majority vote in parliament. She may well have got that as part of the attempt by the Labour-right to oust Corbyn. |  | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:28 - Jan 17 with 1493 views | stevec |
I'm in total agreement with you on this one but Brexit had absolutely no bearing on this coming into force.
The point is, when wrong directives like this come into being then it's down to us to make our vote count at elections. Various forms of this latest incarnation have previously come onto the Statute whilst in the EU and the point then was, there wasn't a damn thing we could do about it. |  | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:30 - Jan 17 with 1480 views | QPR_John |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 15:08 - Jan 17 by Mytch_QPR |
We trust the Brussels bureaucrats more than the f*cking Tories, essentially. I'm off to get my lederhosen and beret. It strikes me that the Leave camp were more into 'state control' so they could close our borders from any undesirables who might want to come over and run our NHS or work in our factories (the remaining ones that we have)...
I think a can of worms has been opened with this thread and a lot of the original Brexit thread will just be repeated ad infinitum. [Post edited 17 Jan 2017 15:12]
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I find is amusing you trust who are in fact dictators more than an elected government. By all means don't trust the Tories who you can get rid off but to say you trust unelected bureaucrats is surprising | | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:34 - Jan 17 with 1466 views | FDC |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:21 - Jan 17 by QPR_John |
Always found this point interesting. Why do you think the people of this country need the unelected EU to protect them from elected governments now and in the future |
We do risk going round and round the same arguments as in previous threads!
I'll say again: I'm no flag-waving Europhile; I've no love for the EU, for many of the reasons 1BH often posts on here. But the referendum became a proxy vote on immigration and became a pole for all kinds of nationalist politics that I'm very much opposed to.
There was a point, long before polling day when lefties like myself fantasized about a left-wing campaign to leave the EU, which perhaps a braver / more empowered Corbyn might have lead (as an aside accusations that he was ambivalent about the referendum are probably because as a socialist he more than likely is ambivalent about the EU). This would have been a campaign on greater democracy, broad re-nationalization etc.
But like I say, all that went out the window when the frankly racist Leave campaign kicked into gear and it was all about immigration.
And now we're seeing May take Britain down a disastrous path under the pretext "We are enacting the will of the people" etc.
So my point isn't that we need the EU to protect us. I'm saying the Brexit vote is being used to enact ideology that goes way beyond the mandate. If Britain becomes this low-taxation tax-haven that seems to now be where we headed, we'll see the decimation of workers rights and public services, all under the guise of "plucky Britain sticking it to the EU". [Post edited 17 Jan 2017 17:52]
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| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:36 - Jan 17 with 1452 views | stevec |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 15:58 - Jan 17 by robith |
I presume you give such leeway to the forecasts of the rema....oh I can't believe I even bothered replying to you in the first place |
I do actually.
If you do your homework then you don't need to listen to false prophets. | | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:50 - Jan 17 with 1403 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:34 - Jan 17 by FDC |
We do risk going round and round the same arguments as in previous threads!
I'll say again: I'm no flag-waving Europhile; I've no love for the EU, for many of the reasons 1BH often posts on here. But the referendum became a proxy vote on immigration and became a pole for all kinds of nationalist politics that I'm very much opposed to.
There was a point, long before polling day when lefties like myself fantasized about a left-wing campaign to leave the EU, which perhaps a braver / more empowered Corbyn might have lead (as an aside accusations that he was ambivalent about the referendum are probably because as a socialist he more than likely is ambivalent about the EU). This would have been a campaign on greater democracy, broad re-nationalization etc.
But like I say, all that went out the window when the frankly racist Leave campaign kicked into gear and it was all about immigration.
And now we're seeing May take Britain down a disastrous path under the pretext "We are enacting the will of the people" etc.
So my point isn't that we need the EU to protect us. I'm saying the Brexit vote is being used to enact ideology that goes way beyond the mandate. If Britain becomes this low-taxation tax-haven that seems to now be where we headed, we'll see the decimation of workers rights and public services, all under the guise of "plucky Britain sticking it to the EU". [Post edited 17 Jan 2017 17:52]
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But like I say, all that went out the window when the frankly racist Leave campaign kicked into gear and it was all about immigration.
Frankly, you implying 17.5 M people are racist and the only reason they voted to leave is where you lose all credibility. | |
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| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:53 - Jan 17 with 1387 views | FDC |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:50 - Jan 17 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
But like I say, all that went out the window when the frankly racist Leave campaign kicked into gear and it was all about immigration.
Frankly, you implying 17.5 M people are racist and the only reason they voted to leave is where you lose all credibility. |
Nope not what I said.
I think I'm done here, had all these arguments on here before! [Post edited 17 Jan 2017 17:53]
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| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 18:02 - Jan 17 with 1358 views | QPR_John |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:34 - Jan 17 by FDC |
We do risk going round and round the same arguments as in previous threads!
I'll say again: I'm no flag-waving Europhile; I've no love for the EU, for many of the reasons 1BH often posts on here. But the referendum became a proxy vote on immigration and became a pole for all kinds of nationalist politics that I'm very much opposed to.
There was a point, long before polling day when lefties like myself fantasized about a left-wing campaign to leave the EU, which perhaps a braver / more empowered Corbyn might have lead (as an aside accusations that he was ambivalent about the referendum are probably because as a socialist he more than likely is ambivalent about the EU). This would have been a campaign on greater democracy, broad re-nationalization etc.
But like I say, all that went out the window when the frankly racist Leave campaign kicked into gear and it was all about immigration.
And now we're seeing May take Britain down a disastrous path under the pretext "We are enacting the will of the people" etc.
So my point isn't that we need the EU to protect us. I'm saying the Brexit vote is being used to enact ideology that goes way beyond the mandate. If Britain becomes this low-taxation tax-haven that seems to now be where we headed, we'll see the decimation of workers rights and public services, all under the guise of "plucky Britain sticking it to the EU". [Post edited 17 Jan 2017 17:52]
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I find it odd that those of the left keep on about racist behind the leave vote. Forget the EU for a moment and think how you would react if some group suggested setting up an elite group of countries that allowed open immigration to its citizens but put barriers and hence discriminated against those from countries outside of that group. [Post edited 17 Jan 2017 18:06]
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| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 18:02 - Jan 17 with 1357 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 17:53 - Jan 17 by FDC |
Nope not what I said.
I think I'm done here, had all these arguments on here before! [Post edited 17 Jan 2017 17:53]
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Yes it is what you imply
You said the campaign was racist and thereby you are saying the voters that voted leave are racist, you don't say for any other reason they may have done. | |
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| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 18:12 - Jan 17 with 1331 views | Boston |
The single biggest investor in Britain is the USA, the single biggest investor in the USA is Britain. The only thing missing was the trade, not allowed by Brussels. | |
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| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 18:34 - Jan 17 with 1293 views | GloryHunter |
Little-known fact - the future of the 3 million EU nationals in the UK is very worrying. Mrs GloryHunter is German. Despite working and paying taxes in the UK for 30 years, it now turns out she does not have the right to permanent residency. Being married to me for 20 years does not give her any residency rights. She has decided to apply for permanent residency, and the 85-page application form is doing our heads in - it is Kafka-esque to say the least. Thirty percent of EU applicants have already been rejected, and told they should make arrangements to leave - despite the fact that the UK is still legally part of the EU. My wife is suffering sleepless nights over this, and has often been reduced to tears. All you people who voted LEAVE probably didn't realise this would happen, but you need to be aware that it IS happening. |  | | |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 18:38 - Jan 17 with 1276 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
This and every other political thread:
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| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 18:53 - Jan 17 with 1232 views | baz_qpr |
| Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 15:55 - Jan 17 by londonscottish |
Well I was told I was being made redundant on Wednesday.
I suppose three new manufacturing jobs will have sprung up in response in Stoke?
No? |
10% redundancies where I work (profitable business) same at my wife's FTSE 10 company. These are well paid service jobs not manufacturing issue is uncertainty and companies are holding on to cash and reducing costs . |  | | |
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