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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... 13:58 - May 9 with 105999 viewshubble

..posted by a good friend of mine on Facebook, thought I'd share it on here. He's a former professional footballer (briefly for Birmingham City) and a former copper, working mainly out of Camden police station. He grew up in Kilburn/Queens Park. He's now a writer (among other things).

Worth a read I think, hope you enjoy, whether you agree with him or not, even when he veers off-topic...

"Thoughts of the Week (part 1)

Let’s start with a subheading. ‘Dear, oh dear Diane Abbot!’

In the upcoming General Election campaign and apart from the ‘Leader’ (no, not Gary Glitter) no one is more important for the Labour Party campaign than the Shadow Home Secretary. Why’s this? You ask.
The reason is obvious: Theresa May —the strong woman, Ms subtle, but steely - was the former Home Secretary. A position which she used to inflict near terminal ravages of the nation’s police forces. Under her auspices we saw numbers cut, benefits cut and police stations closed willy-nilly to cash in, short-term, on the booming (especially in London) property market.

The short-sightedness of this policy is astounding. No matter the so-called austerity budget (which only seems to apply to the working classes, while the privileged elite continue to live the life of Riley) the question must be asked as to what will happen when there’s some serious social unrest — and you can feel it stirring. Remember 2011 when the riots broke out? We had anarchy and nihilism on the streets and the police force didn’t cope with it at all. Instead we had a grand mopping up campaign. Suddenly all those poor silly students who had been demonised as hard-core criminals after they smashed the windows of the Tory HQ — and received ridiculously harsh prison sentences for what were in the main first offences - were kicked out of the pokey and replaced by the new batch of rioters. The Criminal Justice system ground to a halt, the prison’s overflowed. The courts were as ram-jam packed as a back-in-the-day David Rodigan dance. In response what did the great Theresa May do? She further decimated the police force. She did the same to the prison service. The vaunted Border Force, our first defence, is comically short of manpower and morale as they attempt to hire staff on Mickey-Mouse contracts. Labour should be slaughtering Theresa May on what she’s done. Instead we got that car crash of an interview on LBC.

To be honest I resisted calls to listen to it for a time. Some of my more right-leaning pals were raving about it, but I thought they were overreacting due to a general contempt for the Hackney MP. I was wrong. When I actually got round to listening to it I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. It was stunningly incompetent, mind-blowingly nonsensical, embarrassing and shocking. Is this the Shadow Home Secretary who’s going to lead the challenge to Theresa May’s record? She should have stood down immediately and if not the great leader should have forced her hand, no matter past rendezvous in the sack. Of course it didn’t happen and Labour under Jeremy Corbyn has no hope in this election. What a shame it all is because there are loads of issues that they should be taking the government to task on. Just look at that bumbling Tommy Cooper impersonator of a Foreign Secretary, a million miles removed from a serious statesman: Mr Retraction — an embarrassment to the nation.

I’m voting Labour in the coming election, but not for Jeremy, more for the thought of the millions of people who are going to suffer under the coming five years of Tory rule: the working men and women who haven’t seen their wages rise, in real terms, for the last thirty years, while the fat cats, sharks and speculators are minted; the students starting out life saddled with debt; the millions who’ll never be able to afford a home; and in honour of the National Health Service, soon to be dismantled further, but remaining the brightest light in the nation’s modern history. What a rotten, unfair and unbalanced society we’ve become.

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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 10:39 - May 26 with 1947 viewsBillericayR

If Corbyn wins you might get Mcdonnell on June 9th. These Socialist Workers come Commies are ruthless.
Remember Livingstone in 1980...

Supporting leftist candidates across London, Cutler and the Conservatives learned of Livingstone's plans, proclaiming that a GLC Labour victory would lead to a takeover of London by "Marxists and extremists". The rightist press picked up the story, with the Daily Express using the headline of "Why We Must Stop These Red Wreckers", in which Cutler warned of a potential communist takeover of Britain.[7][8][9] Such scaremongering was ineffective, and the GLC election on 6 May 1981 proved a victory for Labour, with McIntosh installed as Head of the GLC; within 24 hours he would be deposed by members of his own party, replaced by Livingstone.[10][11]

On 7 May, Livingstone called a caucus of his supporters; announcing his intent to challenge McIntosh's leadership, he invited those assembled to stand for other GLC posts. The meeting ended at 4:45pm having agreed on a full slate of candidates. At 5 o'clock, McIntosh held a GLC Labour meeting; the attendees called an immediate leadership election, in which Livingstone defeated him by 30 votes to 20. The entire left caucus slate was then elected. The next day, a leftist coup deposed Sir Ashley Bramall on the Inner London Education Authority (ILEA), replacing him with Bryn Davies; the left group now controlled both the GLC and the ILEA
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 10:40 - May 26 with 1944 viewsCammington

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 10:22 - May 26 by JamesB1979

I'm not a typical Tory voter but the difference between Amber Rudd and Dianne Abbott is poles apart. Rudd came across very well in question time last night. Compare that to the bumbling interviews that Abbott gives.


Amber Rudd is a clueless cretin and potentially an even more dangerous Home Secretary then the last idiot to hold the post. Just look at her stance on encryption. Completely fecking clueless.

I mean Diane Abbott is a moron don't get me wrong but don't be fooled that Rudd is any good because she 'comes across well'.
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 10:49 - May 26 with 1925 viewsJamesB1979

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 10:40 - May 26 by Cammington

Amber Rudd is a clueless cretin and potentially an even more dangerous Home Secretary then the last idiot to hold the post. Just look at her stance on encryption. Completely fecking clueless.

I mean Diane Abbott is a moron don't get me wrong but don't be fooled that Rudd is any good because she 'comes across well'.


Well it's swayed me to be honest. She certainly doesn't sound clueless. She's too right wing for me, which is why I struggle to vote Tory. But Abbott is totally inep.
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:29 - May 26 with 1895 viewsCammington

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 10:49 - May 26 by JamesB1979

Well it's swayed me to be honest. She certainly doesn't sound clueless. She's too right wing for me, which is why I struggle to vote Tory. But Abbott is totally inep.


I'm sure she doesn't as that expensive education at Cheltenham Ladies College had to make sure she could at least eloquently put forward her dangerous, incompetent views.

Here is one example of it because it's something I feel quite passionate about and I've got sod all to do at work this morning.

Here's Amber Rudd immediately after the Westminster attack saying that it was 'completely unacceptable' that the Government could not access the attackers messages.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/26/intelligence-services-access-

Indeed here is the government again calling for an end to encryption following the Manchester attack

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/government-cyber-encryption-crack

And I'm sure it all sounds fair enough, why can't the government have access to certain messages only when they need to?

Because that's not how it works.

Once you build a backdoor into your service, you can't go back on it. It's like inventing the gun. You essentially have a weapon that can be used on the huge amounts of people that use iPhones, Whatsapp, Facebook, etc. Just sitting around on a server somewhere.

And what happens when that weapon is stolen, or is leaked, or makes it out into the wild via any other number of ways?

This happens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WannaCry_ransomware_attack

Millions of pounds in damages, peoples lives put at risk.

And you know what? The terrorists don't give a f*ck. They move on to another service, or something written by a 15 year old in a couple of days that is just as effective. And meanwhile millions of people's data, personal details, etc are open and fair game to any criminal or hostile government that can get its hands on it.

Sorry if this ended up a bit long winded on a subject you or no one else probably cares about that much but it's things like this that really wind me up, when a politician 'comes across well' or 'she sounds like she knows what she's doing' but in reality no. No she doesn't. And we'll all end up off worse again because of it.
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:59 - May 26 with 1874 viewsDannytheR

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 10:40 - May 26 by Cammington

Amber Rudd is a clueless cretin and potentially an even more dangerous Home Secretary then the last idiot to hold the post. Just look at her stance on encryption. Completely fecking clueless.

I mean Diane Abbott is a moron don't get me wrong but don't be fooled that Rudd is any good because she 'comes across well'.


People always used to remark on how Michael Gove "came across well." You can pop into any state school or indeed check on his own recent career to check how that worked out.

We're in a dangerous place as a country when cheap tricks picked up in the Oxford debating society can be mistaken for policies.
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:12 - May 26 with 1856 viewspaulparker

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:59 - May 26 by DannytheR

People always used to remark on how Michael Gove "came across well." You can pop into any state school or indeed check on his own recent career to check how that worked out.

We're in a dangerous place as a country when cheap tricks picked up in the Oxford debating society can be mistaken for policies.
[Post edited 26 May 2017 12:00]


or the alternative is comrade corbyn and his socialist friends

for once we agree we are in a dangerous place

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:18 - May 26 with 1848 viewsDannytheR

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:12 - May 26 by paulparker

or the alternative is comrade corbyn and his socialist friends

for once we agree we are in a dangerous place


Don't worry, I'm sure between your lot and the Tories the country will be kept safe from the threat of functioning schools and hospitals.
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:36 - May 26 with 1805 viewsTacticalR

Talking of people 'coming across well' I was talking to one of my friends about Brexit and he said that his dad is a Ukipper who voted Leave but his mum voted Remain because David Cameron is a respectable fellow who always wears a nice suit.

Air hostess clique

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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:43 - May 26 with 1787 viewsTacticalR

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 10:39 - May 26 by BillericayR

If Corbyn wins you might get Mcdonnell on June 9th. These Socialist Workers come Commies are ruthless.
Remember Livingstone in 1980...

Supporting leftist candidates across London, Cutler and the Conservatives learned of Livingstone's plans, proclaiming that a GLC Labour victory would lead to a takeover of London by "Marxists and extremists". The rightist press picked up the story, with the Daily Express using the headline of "Why We Must Stop These Red Wreckers", in which Cutler warned of a potential communist takeover of Britain.[7][8][9] Such scaremongering was ineffective, and the GLC election on 6 May 1981 proved a victory for Labour, with McIntosh installed as Head of the GLC; within 24 hours he would be deposed by members of his own party, replaced by Livingstone.[10][11]

On 7 May, Livingstone called a caucus of his supporters; announcing his intent to challenge McIntosh's leadership, he invited those assembled to stand for other GLC posts. The meeting ended at 4:45pm having agreed on a full slate of candidates. At 5 o'clock, McIntosh held a GLC Labour meeting; the attendees called an immediate leadership election, in which Livingstone defeated him by 30 votes to 20. The entire left caucus slate was then elected. The next day, a leftist coup deposed Sir Ashley Bramall on the Inner London Education Authority (ILEA), replacing him with Bryn Davies; the left group now controlled both the GLC and the ILEA


Did the revolution ever happen? I think I must have missed it both then and when Livingstone became Mayor of London.

Air hostess clique

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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:19 - May 26 with 1741 views2Thomas2Bowles

BBC Amber Rudd: No link between foreign policy and attacks

So you are all stupid, listen to the woman....

When willl this CV nightmare end
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:44 - May 26 with 1706 viewspaulparker

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:18 - May 26 by DannytheR

Don't worry, I'm sure between your lot and the Tories the country will be kept safe from the threat of functioning schools and hospitals.


The schools and NHS which are crumbling helped caused by mass imigration you mean
if only we could go back to that successful time when we had Labour running the country

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:13 - May 26 with 1675 viewsTheChef

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:29 - May 26 by Cammington

I'm sure she doesn't as that expensive education at Cheltenham Ladies College had to make sure she could at least eloquently put forward her dangerous, incompetent views.

Here is one example of it because it's something I feel quite passionate about and I've got sod all to do at work this morning.

Here's Amber Rudd immediately after the Westminster attack saying that it was 'completely unacceptable' that the Government could not access the attackers messages.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/26/intelligence-services-access-

Indeed here is the government again calling for an end to encryption following the Manchester attack

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/government-cyber-encryption-crack

And I'm sure it all sounds fair enough, why can't the government have access to certain messages only when they need to?

Because that's not how it works.

Once you build a backdoor into your service, you can't go back on it. It's like inventing the gun. You essentially have a weapon that can be used on the huge amounts of people that use iPhones, Whatsapp, Facebook, etc. Just sitting around on a server somewhere.

And what happens when that weapon is stolen, or is leaked, or makes it out into the wild via any other number of ways?

This happens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WannaCry_ransomware_attack

Millions of pounds in damages, peoples lives put at risk.

And you know what? The terrorists don't give a f*ck. They move on to another service, or something written by a 15 year old in a couple of days that is just as effective. And meanwhile millions of people's data, personal details, etc are open and fair game to any criminal or hostile government that can get its hands on it.

Sorry if this ended up a bit long winded on a subject you or no one else probably cares about that much but it's things like this that really wind me up, when a politician 'comes across well' or 'she sounds like she knows what she's doing' but in reality no. No she doesn't. And we'll all end up off worse again because of it.


Let's face it most people have a smartphone these days, they could find out whatever they liked if they wanted to.

Certainly saves the whole hassle of getting everyone chipped...

Time to go back to my old Nokia 3310. I miss playing Snake, if nothing else.

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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:26 - May 26 with 1627 viewseasthertsr

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:44 - May 26 by paulparker

The schools and NHS which are crumbling helped caused by mass imigration you mean
if only we could go back to that successful time when we had Labour running the country


Oh right ,so seven years of austerity has got nothing to do with it then?
[Post edited 26 May 2017 18:18]
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:04 - May 26 with 1578 viewshoof_hearted

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:43 - May 26 by TacticalR

Did the revolution ever happen? I think I must have missed it both then and when Livingstone became Mayor of London.


Livingstone only had the power of the mayor of London. If he'd had control over the treasury and the army and police...*shudder*.

This really is beyond a joke. It isn't a funny little rebellion like voting for a bad singer on X Factor. All of us who have the intelligence to be reading this sort of thread need to convince the young and the disaffected that life really can get hugely worse for them and if McDonnell is chancellor it will. For them and their children. Take a look at Greece, Cuba and the most Corbynistic economy of Venezuela. Their rich are suffering but has life got any better for the poor? No - worse. Envy cures nothing. Meanwhile, peculiarly, Eastern Europeans aren't begging for a return to McDonnell's utopian economy model.

Who cares if it was a plummy voiced bloke who explained to McDonnell that issuing "a bond" to fund over expenditure is called government borrowing. McDonnell shouts louder and says it isn't the same thing. Vote Corbyn and be let your children repay those "bonds" and be certain of a shittier life while the IMF run our country (it happened in the 70's so don't think it won't again).

Hold your nose if you have to (and I do), vote Conservative and put up with it for 5 years. If Labour get themselves sorted or a new centre left party gets started they'll walk into Downing Street in 5 years time. Keep your powder dry.

Dorse - knob gag, quick - I'm exhausted.







However unpalatable it is, evry sane person needs to vote conservative regardless of their own leanings so that we can get back to
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:22 - May 26 with 1526 viewsstowmarketrange

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:04 - May 26 by hoof_hearted

Livingstone only had the power of the mayor of London. If he'd had control over the treasury and the army and police...*shudder*.

This really is beyond a joke. It isn't a funny little rebellion like voting for a bad singer on X Factor. All of us who have the intelligence to be reading this sort of thread need to convince the young and the disaffected that life really can get hugely worse for them and if McDonnell is chancellor it will. For them and their children. Take a look at Greece, Cuba and the most Corbynistic economy of Venezuela. Their rich are suffering but has life got any better for the poor? No - worse. Envy cures nothing. Meanwhile, peculiarly, Eastern Europeans aren't begging for a return to McDonnell's utopian economy model.

Who cares if it was a plummy voiced bloke who explained to McDonnell that issuing "a bond" to fund over expenditure is called government borrowing. McDonnell shouts louder and says it isn't the same thing. Vote Corbyn and be let your children repay those "bonds" and be certain of a shittier life while the IMF run our country (it happened in the 70's so don't think it won't again).

Hold your nose if you have to (and I do), vote Conservative and put up with it for 5 years. If Labour get themselves sorted or a new centre left party gets started they'll walk into Downing Street in 5 years time. Keep your powder dry.

Dorse - knob gag, quick - I'm exhausted.







However unpalatable it is, evry sane person needs to vote conservative regardless of their own leanings so that we can get back to


We,no thanks.
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:27 - May 26 with 1519 views2Thomas2Bowles

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:04 - May 26 by hoof_hearted

Livingstone only had the power of the mayor of London. If he'd had control over the treasury and the army and police...*shudder*.

This really is beyond a joke. It isn't a funny little rebellion like voting for a bad singer on X Factor. All of us who have the intelligence to be reading this sort of thread need to convince the young and the disaffected that life really can get hugely worse for them and if McDonnell is chancellor it will. For them and their children. Take a look at Greece, Cuba and the most Corbynistic economy of Venezuela. Their rich are suffering but has life got any better for the poor? No - worse. Envy cures nothing. Meanwhile, peculiarly, Eastern Europeans aren't begging for a return to McDonnell's utopian economy model.

Who cares if it was a plummy voiced bloke who explained to McDonnell that issuing "a bond" to fund over expenditure is called government borrowing. McDonnell shouts louder and says it isn't the same thing. Vote Corbyn and be let your children repay those "bonds" and be certain of a shittier life while the IMF run our country (it happened in the 70's so don't think it won't again).

Hold your nose if you have to (and I do), vote Conservative and put up with it for 5 years. If Labour get themselves sorted or a new centre left party gets started they'll walk into Downing Street in 5 years time. Keep your powder dry.

Dorse - knob gag, quick - I'm exhausted.







However unpalatable it is, evry sane person needs to vote conservative regardless of their own leanings so that we can get back to



When willl this CV nightmare end
Poll: What will the result of the GE be

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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:39 - May 26 with 1499 viewshoof_hearted

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:22 - May 26 by stowmarketrange

We,no thanks.


Governments work year to year with hardly any forward planning as it costs votes. I think the public sector pension "debt" is equivalent to about £50,000 per person in the country all to be funded out of future taxes. We're in enough trouble without letting McDonnell loose on the coffers. I vote for anyone moderate who tries to balance that sort of problem with the social problems. It should be Labour but it isn't. It will be in 5 years (or else we really are in trouble) but for now the conservatives will cause less damage than Corbyn (who I cannot call Labour with his record of disloyalty predating Blair by a long way)
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:48 - May 26 with 1486 viewseasthertsr

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:04 - May 26 by hoof_hearted

Livingstone only had the power of the mayor of London. If he'd had control over the treasury and the army and police...*shudder*.

This really is beyond a joke. It isn't a funny little rebellion like voting for a bad singer on X Factor. All of us who have the intelligence to be reading this sort of thread need to convince the young and the disaffected that life really can get hugely worse for them and if McDonnell is chancellor it will. For them and their children. Take a look at Greece, Cuba and the most Corbynistic economy of Venezuela. Their rich are suffering but has life got any better for the poor? No - worse. Envy cures nothing. Meanwhile, peculiarly, Eastern Europeans aren't begging for a return to McDonnell's utopian economy model.

Who cares if it was a plummy voiced bloke who explained to McDonnell that issuing "a bond" to fund over expenditure is called government borrowing. McDonnell shouts louder and says it isn't the same thing. Vote Corbyn and be let your children repay those "bonds" and be certain of a shittier life while the IMF run our country (it happened in the 70's so don't think it won't again).

Hold your nose if you have to (and I do), vote Conservative and put up with it for 5 years. If Labour get themselves sorted or a new centre left party gets started they'll walk into Downing Street in 5 years time. Keep your powder dry.

Dorse - knob gag, quick - I'm exhausted.







However unpalatable it is, evry sane person needs to vote conservative regardless of their own leanings so that we can get back to


So in other words vote for the party that is so strong and stable that it becomes the first to do a U- turn before a general election! No thanks mate I'll pass!
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:51 - May 26 with 1480 viewsDannytheR

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:39 - May 26 by hoof_hearted

Governments work year to year with hardly any forward planning as it costs votes. I think the public sector pension "debt" is equivalent to about £50,000 per person in the country all to be funded out of future taxes. We're in enough trouble without letting McDonnell loose on the coffers. I vote for anyone moderate who tries to balance that sort of problem with the social problems. It should be Labour but it isn't. It will be in 5 years (or else we really are in trouble) but for now the conservatives will cause less damage than Corbyn (who I cannot call Labour with his record of disloyalty predating Blair by a long way)


Sacked teachers and a mounting funding crisis in schools. 9k tuition fees and rising at university. Zero hours contracts in the labour market. No chance of getting on to the property ladder, ever.

I'm off to start the weekend with a cold one, but please make sure to pop back and tell us how it goes persuading the young to vote Tory.
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:03 - May 26 with 1465 viewshoof_hearted

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:51 - May 26 by DannytheR

Sacked teachers and a mounting funding crisis in schools. 9k tuition fees and rising at university. Zero hours contracts in the labour market. No chance of getting on to the property ladder, ever.

I'm off to start the weekend with a cold one, but please make sure to pop back and tell us how it goes persuading the young to vote Tory.


Nobody's saying there aren't problems. There are plenty. It's the Corbyn/McDonnell axis of stupidity in trying to provide solutions that bothers me. And just when the world economy is turning for the better and the slow, peaceful solutions will start working. Never prefect but please tell me when printing money/issuing bonds/excessive borrowing has EVER made things better for the next generation? The aim is nice but the reality is not. Now, don't let me keep you from a cold one because I'd be much happier putting the world to rights in a pub with you .
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:12 - May 26 with 1452 viewseasthertsr

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:03 - May 26 by hoof_hearted

Nobody's saying there aren't problems. There are plenty. It's the Corbyn/McDonnell axis of stupidity in trying to provide solutions that bothers me. And just when the world economy is turning for the better and the slow, peaceful solutions will start working. Never prefect but please tell me when printing money/issuing bonds/excessive borrowing has EVER made things better for the next generation? The aim is nice but the reality is not. Now, don't let me keep you from a cold one because I'd be much happier putting the world to rights in a pub with you .


Ok tell us how seven years of Tory government has helped the lot of those who are 'just about managing' ?
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:32 - May 26 with 1414 viewshoof_hearted

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:12 - May 26 by easthertsr

Ok tell us how seven years of Tory government has helped the lot of those who are 'just about managing' ?
[Post edited 26 May 2017 18:17]


It hasn't. If you want to answer my question I would love it. I don't think the conservatives are great btw. If they had gone for the TV debate then Corbyn would have had to explain and be grilled on it all. He's been held back more than Boris from a proper grilling so far.

I'd probably have voted Lib Dem (I know, I know) but I have big issues with Tim Farron's problem with the gay sex question and they are unelectable. Hence my holding of the nose and voting conservative unless someone convinces me that McDonnell and Corbyn aren't really dangerous for future generations.
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:56 - May 26 with 1385 views2Thomas2Bowles

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:32 - May 26 by hoof_hearted

It hasn't. If you want to answer my question I would love it. I don't think the conservatives are great btw. If they had gone for the TV debate then Corbyn would have had to explain and be grilled on it all. He's been held back more than Boris from a proper grilling so far.

I'd probably have voted Lib Dem (I know, I know) but I have big issues with Tim Farron's problem with the gay sex question and they are unelectable. Hence my holding of the nose and voting conservative unless someone convinces me that McDonnell and Corbyn aren't really dangerous for future generations.


Well the tories sure have fecked future generations.

Debt, no homes zero hour contract , school funding cuts, want to stop school meals the list goes on only the deluded would believe the tories won't make things even worse for them.

it's what they do and have been doing for the last 7 years.
[Post edited 26 May 2017 18:57]

When willl this CV nightmare end
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 19:12 - May 26 with 1369 viewsQPR_John

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:51 - May 26 by DannytheR

Sacked teachers and a mounting funding crisis in schools. 9k tuition fees and rising at university. Zero hours contracts in the labour market. No chance of getting on to the property ladder, ever.

I'm off to start the weekend with a cold one, but please make sure to pop back and tell us how it goes persuading the young to vote Tory.


Nice to know owning property is now acceptable
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On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 19:13 - May 26 with 1367 viewsBucksRanger

On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:56 - May 26 by 2Thomas2Bowles

Well the tories sure have fecked future generations.

Debt, no homes zero hour contract , school funding cuts, want to stop school meals the list goes on only the deluded would believe the tories won't make things even worse for them.

it's what they do and have been doing for the last 7 years.
[Post edited 26 May 2017 18:57]


Re zero hours contracts, can we all stop blaming just the Tories for them. These contracts have been around for at least 20 years and Tony Blair promised to end them but did nothing about them once in power.

Here's the relevant paragraph from his party conference speech in 1995.

"A Labour government will be part of the European Social Chapter. Part-time employees will no longer be treated as second class citizens. There will be an end to zero-hours contracts. Young people will be properly protected against under age working and joining a trade union will be a matter of free choice, but where that choice is exercised, there will be a right to representation and, where the majority want it, a right to union recognition."

And here's a link to his complete speech in case you think I'm making things up.

http://www.britishpoliticalspeech.org/speech-archive.htm?speech=201

Apportion blame equally between both parties if you must. They are both equally culpable of doing eff all for the poor bastards who are stuck on these tawdry contracts.
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