| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... 13:58 - May 9 with 106018 views | hubble |
..posted by a good friend of mine on Facebook, thought I'd share it on here. He's a former professional footballer (briefly for Birmingham City) and a former copper, working mainly out of Camden police station. He grew up in Kilburn/Queens Park. He's now a writer (among other things).
Worth a read I think, hope you enjoy, whether you agree with him or not, even when he veers off-topic...
"Thoughts of the Week (part 1)
Let’s start with a subheading. ‘Dear, oh dear Diane Abbot!’
In the upcoming General Election campaign and apart from the ‘Leader’ (no, not Gary Glitter) no one is more important for the Labour Party campaign than the Shadow Home Secretary. Why’s this? You ask.
The reason is obvious: Theresa May —the strong woman, Ms subtle, but steely - was the former Home Secretary. A position which she used to inflict near terminal ravages of the nation’s police forces. Under her auspices we saw numbers cut, benefits cut and police stations closed willy-nilly to cash in, short-term, on the booming (especially in London) property market.
The short-sightedness of this policy is astounding. No matter the so-called austerity budget (which only seems to apply to the working classes, while the privileged elite continue to live the life of Riley) the question must be asked as to what will happen when there’s some serious social unrest — and you can feel it stirring. Remember 2011 when the riots broke out? We had anarchy and nihilism on the streets and the police force didn’t cope with it at all. Instead we had a grand mopping up campaign. Suddenly all those poor silly students who had been demonised as hard-core criminals after they smashed the windows of the Tory HQ — and received ridiculously harsh prison sentences for what were in the main first offences - were kicked out of the pokey and replaced by the new batch of rioters. The Criminal Justice system ground to a halt, the prison’s overflowed. The courts were as ram-jam packed as a back-in-the-day David Rodigan dance. In response what did the great Theresa May do? She further decimated the police force. She did the same to the prison service. The vaunted Border Force, our first defence, is comically short of manpower and morale as they attempt to hire staff on Mickey-Mouse contracts. Labour should be slaughtering Theresa May on what she’s done. Instead we got that car crash of an interview on LBC.
To be honest I resisted calls to listen to it for a time. Some of my more right-leaning pals were raving about it, but I thought they were overreacting due to a general contempt for the Hackney MP. I was wrong. When I actually got round to listening to it I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. It was stunningly incompetent, mind-blowingly nonsensical, embarrassing and shocking. Is this the Shadow Home Secretary who’s going to lead the challenge to Theresa May’s record? She should have stood down immediately and if not the great leader should have forced her hand, no matter past rendezvous in the sack. Of course it didn’t happen and Labour under Jeremy Corbyn has no hope in this election. What a shame it all is because there are loads of issues that they should be taking the government to task on. Just look at that bumbling Tommy Cooper impersonator of a Foreign Secretary, a million miles removed from a serious statesman: Mr Retraction — an embarrassment to the nation.
I’m voting Labour in the coming election, but not for Jeremy, more for the thought of the millions of people who are going to suffer under the coming five years of Tory rule: the working men and women who haven’t seen their wages rise, in real terms, for the last thirty years, while the fat cats, sharks and speculators are minted; the students starting out life saddled with debt; the millions who’ll never be able to afford a home; and in honour of the National Health Service, soon to be dismantled further, but remaining the brightest light in the nation’s modern history. What a rotten, unfair and unbalanced society we’ve become.
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 22:51 - May 23 with 2263 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 22:12 - May 23 by QPR_John |
You can argue your points made up to your last paragraph but I cannot understand the championing now of Inheritance when it has always been for the left a dirty word [Post edited 23 May 2017 22:13]
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Well now it's the tory dirty word who have always been protective of inherency
So maybe Labour were right all along |  |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 22:54 - May 23 with 2252 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 22:51 - May 23 by essextaxiboy |
Because they had a monopoly and could charge what they wanted and not give a crap about the customer .. Every one had a box of candles under the sink .. |
Can't afford candles now days and they don't give them out at the food banks... yet | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 22:57 - May 23 with 2240 views | stowmarketrange |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 22:51 - May 23 by essextaxiboy |
Because they had a monopoly and could charge what they wanted and not give a crap about the customer .. Every one had a box of candles under the sink .. |
Now they just decide what to charge us amongst themselves and send the profits back to their own countries.That is a much fairer system for the customers,not. [Post edited 23 May 2017 22:59]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:00 - May 23 with 2224 views | DannytheR |
Yeah, sadly this bit of control we don't appear to be taking back...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/revealed-how-the-world-gets-rich
"Foreign governments are making hundreds of millions of pounds a year running British public services, according to an Independent investigation highlighting how privatisation is benefiting overseas — rather than UK — taxpayers.
Swathes of Britain’s energy, transport and utility networks are run by companies owned by other European governments — meaning foreign exchequers reap the dividends while UK customers struggle with increasing fares and bills.
In the past two years alone, overseas taxpayers have taken dividends totalling nearly £1bn from companies which make their profits from UK households and passengers..." |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:01 - May 23 with 2221 views | essextaxiboy |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 22:50 - May 23 by DannytheR |
Oh, I see, you're implying I was being dishonest. Classy.
Yeah, so just the average of 100k + on expenses (or "other people's money") every year between 2006 and 2011.
Incidentally, are you still planning on disinheriting your own kids now that the Tories have abandoned the policy you spent yesterday defending?
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Dishonest nope . That would be rude
Disingenuous maybe , a bit like the old Brexit bus , let people join up their own dots . On the social care policy it changes nothing for me , as I said to you before I am responsible for me , the state is a last resort .. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:06 - May 23 with 2208 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:01 - May 23 by essextaxiboy |
Dishonest nope . That would be rude
Disingenuous maybe , a bit like the old Brexit bus , let people join up their own dots . On the social care policy it changes nothing for me , as I said to you before I am responsible for me , the state is a last resort .. |
Gotcha. Admirable of you to make your kids aware that the moment you shuffle off, hopefully long into the future, you want them to sell the house, keep 100k and send everything else back to the bank. I'm sure they understand anything else would be a bit hypocritical.
Wibble wobble...
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:08 - May 23 with 2200 views | CamberleyR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 22:51 - May 23 by essextaxiboy |
Because they had a monopoly and could charge what they wanted and not give a crap about the customer .. Every one had a box of candles under the sink .. |
Yes, like the privatised companies really care about customer service, that's why Ofgem has fined nPower for deliberately misleading potential customers and also a whacking £26m for "failing to treat customers fairly".
E.ON forced by Ofgem to pay 330,000 of it's customers a total of £12m due to "poor sales practices".
"Because they had a monopoly and could charge what they wanted" Oh the irony.
I could go on but I think you get the picture.... [Post edited 23 May 2017 23:21]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:16 - May 23 with 2176 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
essextaxiboy
Put the shovel down and step out of that hole | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:19 - May 23 with 2162 views | QPR_John |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 22:51 - May 23 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Well now it's the tory dirty word who have always been protective of inherency
So maybe Labour were right all along |
But you now think that inheritance is no longer a dirty word so if labour was right all along does that mean you are now wrong |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:21 - May 23 with 2145 views | essextaxiboy |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:16 - May 23 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
essextaxiboy
Put the shovel down and step out of that hole |
I am not in a hole , my lot are 6 -1 up (and that was an og) with 10 to go . | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:24 - May 23 with 2135 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:19 - May 23 by QPR_John |
But you now think that inheritance is no longer a dirty word so if labour was right all along does that mean you are now wrong |
I have not changed my view so I don't know why you're asking me | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:26 - May 23 with 2130 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:21 - May 23 by essextaxiboy |
I am not in a hole , my lot are 6 -1 up (and that was an og) with 10 to go . |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:26 - May 23 with 2128 views | essextaxiboy |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:08 - May 23 by CamberleyR |
Yes, like the privatised companies really care about customer service, that's why Ofgem has fined nPower for deliberately misleading potential customers and also a whacking £26m for "failing to treat customers fairly".
E.ON forced by Ofgem to pay 330,000 of it's customers a total of £12m due to "poor sales practices".
"Because they had a monopoly and could charge what they wanted" Oh the irony.
I could go on but I think you get the picture.... [Post edited 23 May 2017 23:21]
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You can change , what could you do about poor service before ? | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:34 - May 23 with 2089 views | QPR_John |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:24 - May 23 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
I have not changed my view so I don't know why you're asking me |
Your words
" now they want the fecking boat (house/inheratance) of their parents"
If you think it wrong for the Conservatives to take away a persons inheritance then you do not see anything wrong with the concept of inheritance. If that has always been your view then i can only accept what you say | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:49 - May 23 with 2047 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:34 - May 23 by QPR_John |
Your words
" now they want the fecking boat (house/inheratance) of their parents"
If you think it wrong for the Conservatives to take away a persons inheritance then you do not see anything wrong with the concept of inheritance. If that has always been your view then i can only accept what you say |
Well I do
I don't have to agree with everything in the Labour party, same for people who support the Tories.
I never supported Blair or New Labour
Not since the 1930 has there been such a gap between the have and have not's
I've never known a time when like now, that a working man can't support his family can't get on the housing market and there being soup kitchens and food banks or so much debt laid on young people. maybe you are fine with that. I'm not. [Post edited 23 May 2017 23:55]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:54 - May 23 with 2034 views | QPR_John |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:49 - May 23 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Well I do
I don't have to agree with everything in the Labour party, same for people who support the Tories.
I never supported Blair or New Labour
Not since the 1930 has there been such a gap between the have and have not's
I've never known a time when like now, that a working man can't support his family can't get on the housing market and there being soup kitchens and food banks or so much debt laid on young people. maybe you are fine with that. I'm not. [Post edited 23 May 2017 23:55]
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You see that was a reasoned reply but you have to go and spoil it with your last phrase
" maybe you are fine with that. I'm not"
Where we differ is that I don't think it can all be paid for by a 7% rise in corporation tax [Post edited 23 May 2017 23:58]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:58 - May 23 with 2022 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:54 - May 23 by QPR_John |
You see that was a reasoned reply but you have to go and spoil it with your last phrase
" maybe you are fine with that. I'm not"
Where we differ is that I don't think it can all be paid for by a 7% rise in corporation tax [Post edited 23 May 2017 23:58]
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My point is, many people that are supporting the tories are fine with it
We see it on here. Me myself and I | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 00:02 - May 24 with 2011 views | QPR_John |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 23:58 - May 23 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
My point is, many people that are supporting the tories are fine with it
We see it on here. Me myself and I |
I don't think that is true but it makes the left feel good about themselves. Still it's late so good night to all | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 08:58 - May 24 with 1908 views | robith |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 22:51 - May 23 by essextaxiboy |
Because they had a monopoly and could charge what they wanted and not give a crap about the customer .. Every one had a box of candles under the sink .. |
Privatisation hasn't changed that though, there are still monopolies and now we don't have the democratic means to control their running |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 09:46 - May 24 with 1869 views | QPR_Jim |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 00:02 - May 24 by QPR_John |
I don't think that is true but it makes the left feel good about themselves. Still it's late so good night to all |
I'm sure exactly the same can be said about the right hiding behind a lack of funds to avoid attempting to improve the lives of working class families.
In this thread somebody said the rich are disproportionatly taxed, it hasn't prevented them from getting richer though while the poor get poorer.
If the government need to borrow in order to finance some nationalisation of industries, in any other circumstance this would be called an investment. Because in the following years those industries will contribute to the treasury, so the question should be whether the investment will yield significant returns to justify the initial cost, not whether the government will need to borrow. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 10:57 - May 24 with 1807 views | TacticalR |
On nationalisation, here's what Engels had to say on the matter:
'But of late, since Bismarck went in for State-ownership of industrial establishments, a kind of spurious Socialism has arisen, degenerating, now and again, into something of flunkyism, that without more ado declares all State-ownership, even of the Bismarkian sort, to be socialistic. Certainly, if the taking over by the State of the tobacco industry is socialistic, then Napoleon and Metternich must be numbered among the founders of Socialism.
If the Belgian State, for quite ordinary political and financial reasons, itself constructed its chief railway lines; if Bismarck, not under any economic compulsion, took over for the State the chief Prussian lines, simply to be the better able to have them in hand in case of war, to bring up the railway employees as voting cattle for the Government, and especially to create for himself a new source of income independent of parliamentary votes – this was, in no sense, a socialistic measure, directly or indirectly, consciously or unconsciously. Otherwise, the Royal Maritime Company, the Royal porcelain manufacture, and even the regimental tailor of the army would also be socialistic institutions, or even, as was seriously proposed by a sly dog in Frederick William III's reign, the taking over by the State of the brothels.'
Frederick Engels, Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, (1880)
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:25 - May 24 with 1781 views | hubble |
I have to say how good it is to read intelligent and informed debate on this forum. It's also good to know that compared to some other QPR sites (and social media forums in general), this one is balanced and rarely reactionary.
In regard to the topic at hand, it looked like the Tories were taking a hammering in the polls after their dementia tax revelation and May's weak and wobbly apparent U-turn. Obviously yesterday's tragic events have taken the shine off that Labour surge and probably given May back some momentum. However I think overall a large Tory majority would be disastrous for this country. They cannot be trusted on anything, they do not serve the interests of the ordinary populace, rather they serve their own vested interests. I am hoping for at least enough of a Labour surge to keep the Tory majority very modest.
However, as I said before, it would be a beautiful thing to see May's face if they didn't increase their majority at all, or even lost it!
Keep up the good work everybody. | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:38 - May 24 with 1752 views | essextaxiboy |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:25 - May 24 by hubble |
I have to say how good it is to read intelligent and informed debate on this forum. It's also good to know that compared to some other QPR sites (and social media forums in general), this one is balanced and rarely reactionary.
In regard to the topic at hand, it looked like the Tories were taking a hammering in the polls after their dementia tax revelation and May's weak and wobbly apparent U-turn. Obviously yesterday's tragic events have taken the shine off that Labour surge and probably given May back some momentum. However I think overall a large Tory majority would be disastrous for this country. They cannot be trusted on anything, they do not serve the interests of the ordinary populace, rather they serve their own vested interests. I am hoping for at least enough of a Labour surge to keep the Tory majority very modest.
However, as I said before, it would be a beautiful thing to see May's face if they didn't increase their majority at all, or even lost it!
Keep up the good work everybody. |
Exactly what number would consitute very modest . ? | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 12:42 - May 24 with 1697 views | johncharles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:38 - May 24 by essextaxiboy |
Exactly what number would consitute very modest . ? |
One.
One very old fox hunting chap who would fall off his horse and break neck and force a by election which would be won by an anti fox hunting independent. |  |
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