| Non QPR - Manchester Arena 23:48 - May 22 with 31115 views | Bakes |
Something's going down, reports of an explosion and confirmed deaths.
Bloody hell |  |
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 14:29 - May 23 with 2598 views | FredManRave |
I just can-t get past the utter sadness of it all. The grief and the pain and suffering and life sentence for all those involved is incomprehensible. What a complete and utter waste. Life can be so cruel. |  |
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 14:37 - May 23 with 2572 views | stowmarketrange |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 13:22 - May 23 by Jeff |
on a slightly tangential note to this, flew home changing via Istanbul yesterday, and the security there was huge - was fully checked at least 3 times before boarding the plane, military / police presence was everywhere.
Additionally, the laptop ban - people are either not aware, or more likely, ignoring it / trying to chance/blag it - On a plane of 200 passengers, they had to 'confiscate' at least 50 laptops from people at the Gate before the flight... |
We had the same thing happen to us 2 weeks ago flying home from Dubai via Istanbul.It was a pain in the ar@e but we all got home safely. |  | | |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 14:55 - May 23 with 2503 views | JamesB1979 |
I don't really understand why there are comments in relation to trident and aircraft carriers in relation to this? Having a military deterrent and combating terrorism are 2 completely separate things. I would like to think that the expenditure on trident and aircraft carriers is a result of advice from the military. I also don't see why you can't spend money on both. |  | | |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 14:59 - May 23 with 2495 views | daveB |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 14:15 - May 23 by Northernr |
I wonder what minute we'll have the applause in?  |
You can be sure they'll do one at the cup final weekend, football loves to get involved |  | | |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 15:30 - May 23 with 2425 views | TheChef |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 14:15 - May 23 by Northernr |
I wonder what minute we'll have the applause in? |
Have Sky Bet opened a book on it yet?
I see the England Under 20s had the black armbands out already this morning in their game. Must be a key part of any sports team's kit these days.
Actually sports teams should wear black armbands at all times, just to be on the safe side. |  |
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 16:46 - May 23 with 2269 views | LythamR |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 14:55 - May 23 by JamesB1979 |
I don't really understand why there are comments in relation to trident and aircraft carriers in relation to this? Having a military deterrent and combating terrorism are 2 completely separate things. I would like to think that the expenditure on trident and aircraft carriers is a result of advice from the military. I also don't see why you can't spend money on both. |
We cant spend money on both because we dont have the money
Probably the wrong thread but exactly who have we ever deterred with our astronomically expensive war toys? I would say nobody certainly in the last 30 years. The world has changed we need to move with the times, defence needs to start at home with with increased funding for intelligence, counter terrorism and plod on the ground, not billions of pounds worth of kit on patrol above the artic circle on the off chance we get a go at blowing some russians to oblivion which would not save a single british life. Trident is about revenge from beyond the grave more than defence. |  | | |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 16:49 - May 23 with 2255 views | BromleyHoop |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 12:26 - May 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
We can shut down all the mosques in the world, and it won't change ideology.
You can't fight ideology with physical closure or violence. It's been done and doesn't work. Doesn't work in Russia, doesn't work in China, doesn't work in Turkey, doesn't work in Central Asia.
There is no quick fix.
Educate. Educate. Educate.
It's a long term problem that can only be solved by a long term solution.
I know what a lentil eater that makes me sound like, but pragmatism is the only way of dealing with these things. |
I admire your sentiment and optimism but, sadly, you can't educate psychopaths. And as for it being a 'long term problem' is 1400 years long enough for you? |  |
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 17:27 - May 23 with 2175 views | Snipper |
If you need violence to enforce your ideas.......your ideas are worthless. |  | | |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 17:29 - May 23 with 2167 views | QPR_John |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 16:46 - May 23 by LythamR |
We cant spend money on both because we dont have the money
Probably the wrong thread but exactly who have we ever deterred with our astronomically expensive war toys? I would say nobody certainly in the last 30 years. The world has changed we need to move with the times, defence needs to start at home with with increased funding for intelligence, counter terrorism and plod on the ground, not billions of pounds worth of kit on patrol above the artic circle on the off chance we get a go at blowing some russians to oblivion which would not save a single british life. Trident is about revenge from beyond the grave more than defence. |
Surely we do not know how many have been deterred by the very fact they have been deterred [Post edited 23 May 2017 17:30]
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 17:29 - May 23 with 2163 views | stowmarketrange |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 16:46 - May 23 by LythamR |
We cant spend money on both because we dont have the money
Probably the wrong thread but exactly who have we ever deterred with our astronomically expensive war toys? I would say nobody certainly in the last 30 years. The world has changed we need to move with the times, defence needs to start at home with with increased funding for intelligence, counter terrorism and plod on the ground, not billions of pounds worth of kit on patrol above the artic circle on the off chance we get a go at blowing some russians to oblivion which would not save a single british life. Trident is about revenge from beyond the grave more than defence. |
I don't see Germany and Japan wasting billions on nuclear weapons that we hope will never be used.But as you said,wrong thread. | | | |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 17:40 - May 23 with 2142 views | PunteR |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 12:26 - May 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
We can shut down all the mosques in the world, and it won't change ideology.
You can't fight ideology with physical closure or violence. It's been done and doesn't work. Doesn't work in Russia, doesn't work in China, doesn't work in Turkey, doesn't work in Central Asia.
There is no quick fix.
Educate. Educate. Educate.
It's a long term problem that can only be solved by a long term solution.
I know what a lentil eater that makes me sound like, but pragmatism is the only way of dealing with these things. |
Its an ideology thats only been a problem in the last 20 years. What has changed ? |  |
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 17:42 - May 23 with 2139 views | ted_hendrix |
Just seen the picture of that poor girl aged 8 on the BBC web page.
For the life of me what kind of thing would want to hurt a little innocent kid like that let alone murder her?
Dreadful just dreadful. |  |
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 17:48 - May 23 with 2120 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 17:40 - May 23 by PunteR |
Its an ideology thats only been a problem in the last 20 years. What has changed ? |
Funding. |  | | |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 18:07 - May 23 with 2077 views | johncharles |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 17:42 - May 23 by ted_hendrix |
Just seen the picture of that poor girl aged 8 on the BBC web page.
For the life of me what kind of thing would want to hurt a little innocent kid like that let alone murder her?
Dreadful just dreadful. |
It breaks my heart |  |
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 18:24 - May 23 with 2039 views | BromleyHoop |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 17:40 - May 23 by PunteR |
Its an ideology thats only been a problem in the last 20 years. What has changed ? |
I suggest you learn a bit more about the history of Islam. | |
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 18:43 - May 23 with 1989 views | PunteR |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 18:24 - May 23 by BromleyHoop |
I suggest you learn a bit more about the history of Islam. |
Has Islamic fundamentalit's blowing up children in England always happened then. ? I could be wrong but since 9/11 it seems to have got worse. | |
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 18:45 - May 23 with 1979 views | PunteR |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 17:48 - May 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Funding. |
Funding for who? | |
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 19:04 - May 23 with 1925 views | BromleyHoop |
PunterR- I repeat the answer I gave some moments ago. [Post edited 23 May 2017 19:04]
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 19:19 - May 23 with 1887 views | smegma |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 14:20 - May 23 by paulparker |
just seen a clip of Jason manford crying and saying don't give in to hate
seriously these "stars" with their self promotion of caring makes me puke
tell that to the little kids and their parents who are dead or have had body parts blown away |
He's a Manc. Maybe he knows someone who was there last night. | | | |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 20:00 - May 23 with 1814 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
They were not bombing in europe when Saddam was in charge
Yes a murdering dictator but what a fecking mess now |  |
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 21:21 - May 23 with 1709 views | mikeygunn |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 19:19 - May 23 by smegma |
He's a Manc. Maybe he knows someone who was there last night. |
Think his cousin is/was missing. If so you can understand him being a bit upset. |  | | |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 21:24 - May 23 with 1697 views | BromleyHoop |
| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 20:00 - May 23 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
They were not bombing in europe when Saddam was in charge
Yes a murdering dictator but what a fecking mess now |
Not bombing no....just beheading, murdering and enslaving across a sizeable chunk of Southern Europe for hundreds and hundreds of years. Let's stop excusing the bloody history of Islam because Tony Blair fecked up on WMD. | |
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| Non QPR - Manchester Arena on 21:26 - May 23 with 1684 views | mikeygunn |
Super plan, sure that will work out really well. | | | |
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