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Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT 17:57 - Jul 4 with 3271 views

Just been voted out of The Scottish Premier League

Wonder what division The Scottish Football League will put them in?

Love to see them playing at some of those really little places.

Maybe SFL won't want them, could end up in The South of Scotland League playing Threave Rovers, in Castle Douglas. Be like playing in a park.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 17:59 - Jul 4 with 1700 views

Jamie

Division 1 and then merged in 12 months time in order to safeguard the Sky deal. Sevco fans furious, they want to be in Div 3 in the belief it will ruin all the other clubs.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:04 - Jul 4 with 1671 views

QPR1882

Maybe someone can explain to me why AFC Rangers or whatever they are to become do not start on the very bottom rung. They are a brand new team,or can anyone form a team and go straight into league 2 or 3 in Scotland ?

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:07 - Jul 4 with 1654 views

Jamie

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:04 - Jul 4 by QPR1882
Maybe someone can explain to me why AFC Rangers or whatever they are to become do not start on the very bottom rung. They are a brand new team,or can anyone form a team and go straight into league 2 or 3 in Scotland ?

Division 3 is the lowest rung on the SFL ladder. Any team can apply to join Division 3 but obviously have to have a good reason to be given admittance.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:08 - Jul 4 with 1652 views

rongould

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:04 - Jul 4 by QPR1882
Maybe someone can explain to me why AFC Rangers or whatever they are to become do not start on the very bottom rung. They are a brand new team,or can anyone form a team and go straight into league 2 or 3 in Scotland ?

They have to apply for admission to The Scottish Football League. If accepted it is up to the league management which division they play in.
They might not accept them. Then real decisions have to be made
Where do they apply to play then?

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:13 - Jul 4 with 1636 views

Jamie

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:08 - Jul 4 by rongould
They have to apply for admission to The Scottish Football League. If accepted it is up to the league management which division they play in. They might not accept them. Then real decisions have to be made Where do they apply to play then?

They've applied to join the SFL and said they will play in Div 1, 2 or 3. Their fans wants 3, the SFL wants 1.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:18 - Jul 4 with 1616 views

QPR1882

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:08 - Jul 4 by rongould
They have to apply for admission to The Scottish Football League. If accepted it is up to the league management which division they play in. They might not accept them. Then real decisions have to be made Where do they apply to play then?

So unlike AFC did in England Rangers will not have to play in minor leagues before reaching the major leagues,Even though they are in effect a brand new team.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:19 - Jul 4 with 1607 views

Jamie

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:18 - Jul 4 by QPR1882
So unlike AFC did in England Rangers will not have to play in minor leagues before reaching the major leagues,Even though they are in effect a brand new team.

No. Because the SFL wants Sevco to be playing in the SFL.

Same as if Man Utd went bust tomorrow, the new club would be shoehorned back into the English Leagues. Probably back in the Prem as well.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:26 - Jul 4 with 1593 views

Juzzie

They'll probably merge all 3 diviviosn into one, AFC Rangers will finish around 2nd-4th, then they'll 'suddenly' decide to revert back to the 3 League systems with each club slotting into each League depending where they finished.

Convinient huh?

The whole thing stinks. AFC Rangers should start at the bottom rung on the non-league equivalent, just like AFC Wimbledon and FC United did.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 19:08 - Jul 4 with 1532 views

Monahoop

Rangers in Div 3. Laugh. Local derbies against Clyde and Queens Park. Possible Scottish FA Cup 1st round ties against the likes of Gala Fairydean or Dalbeattie Star. Oh how the mighty fall. That club deserves all the crap coming to it. Zilch sympathy for them.

There aint half been some clever bastards.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 19:12 - Jul 4 with 1520 views

hoopstilidie

Similar should have happened to Portsmouth IMO

	Ringo Starr ate my hamper.
Poll:	Yes or no?

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 19:32 - Jul 4 with 1471 views

SomersetHoops

I don't support the hatred of other club's fans unless they are the thug element of Millwall. Its the fans who are harmed by cheating, dishonest owners like Craig Whyte who got away with it and just dumped the club after ruining it.

In the case of Portsmouth its just been the result of incompetence and in the case of Luton it was dishonesty. The common theme is that the people responsible depart scott-free leaving fans with discredited ruined football clubs, which the football authorities damage even further rather than going after the real culprits

The SPL has been a two horse race for years and now its a one horse race what is the point of it? Just give Celtic the title and let the other clubs play tiddlywinks to see who comes second etc. If Scottish fans of any club think this benefits Scottish football then they are bonkers.

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Who's Next?

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 19:42 - Jul 4 with 1450 views

SonofNorfolt

We are not talking about a poxy club like Wimbledon here.
Rangers will swamp any ground they play at in the lower leagues.
Many of my mates are quite looking forward to visiting rarely seen outposts that they only ever usually play in cups.

Hopefully they'll play Brechin, the only ground with a hedge!

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 19:46 - Jul 4 with 1434 views

mikeygunn

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 19:42 - Jul 4 by SonofNorfolt
We are not talking about a poxy club like Wimbledon here. Rangers will swamp any ground they play at in the lower leagues. Many of my mates are quite looking forward to visiting rarely seen outposts that they only ever usually play in cups. Hopefully they'll play Brechin, the only ground with a hedge!

We used to have a hodge......I'll get my coat

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 19:46 - Jul 4 with 1432 views

MrSheen

There's a precedent in Scotland for restarting in Division 3. Airdrieonians went bust in Division 1, but restarted as Airdrie United in Division 3, though they also bought out Clydebank, whose owners failed to move them to Dublin!

It's going to be a security nightmare with Rangers in the bottom tier. Thousands of people are going to be able to break into some of these grounds. Unlike AFC, there are hords of Rangers fans in every town in Scotland, and they aren't going to want to miss out on a visit from their "heroes".

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 19:48 - Jul 4 with 1425 views

rongould

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 19:42 - Jul 4 by SonofNorfolt
We are not talking about a poxy club like Wimbledon here. Rangers will swamp any ground they play at in the lower leagues. Many of my mates are quite looking forward to visiting rarely seen outposts that they only ever usually play in cups. Hopefully they'll play Brechin, the only ground with a hedge!

My thoughts exactly. If they have real fans they will gi to matches, whoever and where ever they play. Could give some small clubs very good paydays.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 19:52 - Jul 4 with 1413 views

TheBlob

Ideal opportunity to get into England via the Northern Premier League.

Poll:

So how was the season for you?

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 20:21 - Jul 4 with 1364 views

karl

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 19:46 - Jul 4 by MrSheen

Not quite correct MrSheen, to date there has been no precedent for entering at SFL3. Airdrieonians did indeed get liquadated (pursued for £30,000 by Rangers ironically) and they applied for the vacant position in SFL3 which their liquadation had created. However they were turned down (can't remember who got the position atm) so they exploited a loophole, which has since been closed, whereby they bought financially struggling Clydebank, changed their name to Airdrie Utd and moved them to another town. They then took their place in SFL2.
The SFL rules state you must be a viable football club with 3 years of up to date accounts before filling the criteria to be accepted into SFL3, Sevco5088 (Newco Rangers) are not a licensed club and have only a few weeks trading history.
Inverness Caledonian Thistle were a 'merged' club with no history at their point on entry but both the merged teams had a long established football history in Highland football and were encouraged to merge to have a Highland presence in 'Senior' football.
At the moment the SFL clubs have not accepted Sevco5088 into their league but there are disturbing noises coming out of bullying and financial penalties on the SFL teams (by the SPL) if they do not change their policy and allow them into SFL1.
The general supporter in Scotland seems to be around 65-85% (depending on club) that Sevco5088 should not be in any higher league than SFL3 to ensure that up to 20 years of tax evasion and dual contracts is punished by at least 3 seasons removed from the top league.
The big question is - 'why risk your own club's financial position in order to punish Rangers?' The answer is always that we'd rather watch a team of youngsters in an honest league than have teams which are never going to have a chance. The original proposals would have kept Rangers in the SPL were it not for fan pressure.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 20:33 - Jul 4 with 1331 views

Jamie

Clyde's statement on the pressure being applied to lower league clubs:

Clyde FC Statement

The club sent two directors to attend the meeting of the SFL clubs yesterday and they have reported back to the Board. The meeting and conversations covered the best part of 5 hours but there were only a few overarching themes.

The clear message portrayed is that Scottish Football is in a very dark place indeed and there is simply no good solution to what is now a structural problem that has gone beyond a one dimensional issue of where Rangers should play next season. No matter what happens now there is going to be enormous fallout across the Scottish game. Whether some good can be extracted from the impending mess will depend entirely on the SPL clubs, guided by the currently absent leadership of the SFA.
Neil Doncaster wanted only one thing from the meeting, to get a steer from the SFL clubs whether they would allow Rangers into SFL1. He talked the clubs through a detailed explanation of where the SPL clubs would lose £16m next season if Rangers were not entered to the top division of the SFL. This was delivered as a matter of fact, it was a "reality". It seems that most, if not all, major sponsors of the SPL have exit clauses if either of the 'Old Firm' are not within the SPL. The total figure was not new, but the detail behind the number and its impact on individual clubs in the SPL was set out clearly. There were challenges made regarding the flip side of saving the central income from sponsors and media, the obvious impact of loss of supporters to the game who have strongly voiced their intent. Supporter reaction has not been factored in, again there are realities, the SPL clubs are waiting on their Sky cheques in August and clearly that was more important. Nowhere in the presentation was account taken on the impact to the finances of clubs, and more importantly the relevance of the game, should supporters stay at home.

The consequential impact on the SFL from the presentation was that the SFL would lose its entitlement to circa £2m per annum from the Settlement Agreement put together to compensate the SFL for the SPL breakaway, this was made very clear by Neil Doncaster. He told the clubs that if the SPL didn't have the money then they could not pay the SFL. The reality however, which was clear from the detailed figures, is that the SPL, whilst losing an enormous amount of funding, would have the cash to make payment; it is just that the SPL would not meet the legal obligation to the SFL as the cash would be used to finance the SPL teams.

The undeniable statement made on behalf of the SPL is commercially understandable. The SPL would not allow £16m to flow out of their coffers, the impact would be too catastrophic for the SPL clubs to contemplate and as such the only options are that Rangers enter SFL1 or, as a less attractive backstop, a breakaway SPL2 will be formed. There is no prospect, from an SPL point of view, that SFL3 can be allowed to happen.

Neil Doncaster was delivering a very unpalatable proposition and he did it clearly and effectively, hence the representatives of Clyde Football Club understood that the only thing that mattered was the impact on SPL clubs from the loss of money from media and sponsors.

It was to the credit of every SFL club, and probably to the surprise of Neil Doncaster, that nobody asked him to improve on the £1m offer.

The SFL clubs were given a steer for themselves by Neil Doncaster, if the SFL could not tell him how they might vote, then he would expect the SPL clubs not to vote at their meeting either.

There were a few new things learned in the meeting, not least that the rules of the SFL would allow any club accepted into the SFL, by a simple majority, to be placed in any division. The rules do not state, nor imply, that they must join at the bottom tier, only custom and practice around good governance and integrity has seen teams join in the bottom tier. In addition, the attendees at the meeting were left in absolutely no doubt whatsoever by Stewart Regan that if the SPL clubs voted to allow a Newco into the SPL then it would be blocked by the SFA refusing to transfer the SFA membership. It was however caveated well enough to make it less than an absolute statement. The meeting was full of implied actions and outcomes, the use of clever language when delivering the speeches allows anyone to defend with ‘that is not what I said'. However, nobody will have left the meeting with anything other than the very clear messages being put across. Denials of the substance of the message being delivered do not assist anyone in this absolutely dreadful situation.

There will be no winners. Any level of integrity for the sport will be lost by one outcome and financial collapse, we are told, will fall upon the SPL with the other. Sadly, the SFA and SPL have decided that whilst they say they are looking for a collaborative solution, they have very clearly made sure that by their own inaction that the blame will sit with the SFL - no matter what the outcome. The Board of the SFL are being put under intolerable pressure by the other bodies looking to avoid the implications of properly applying their own governance procedures.

In summary, the SFA implication is that there will be no entry to the SPL. The SPL implication is that it therefore has to be SFL1 with a bit of restructure, or an SPL2 with the rest of the SFL cut adrift. There were no other options. Whilst Stewart Regan said that the SFA did not favour an SPL2, there was no equivalent abhorrence of that proposal as was attached to the proposal for a Newco in the SPL, leaving the implication that the door remains wide open for the SPL to secure their £16m with or without the SFL.

The Board of the club will consider the feedback from its representatives and also the outcomes of the next few days and will keep its supporters fully appraised, but in the meantime see no reason to amend any previous comment.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 20:49 - Jul 4 with 1289 views

collegeranger

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 20:21 - Jul 4 by karl

They will get back into the SPL somehow but the questions is 1, 2 or 3 years. I guess if you are Queens Park or the like you want to play them at least twice at home. But so would those in the 1st and 2nd divisions.

The AFC Wimbledon story has a great legacy for the majority of minnow non-league clubs that benefited from their presence albeit fleetingly in their leagues. The evidence of this is in many improved changing rooms, club houses, floodlights let alone overdrafts.

The Rangers story may just be in years to come similar to many provincial small town Scottish Football Clubs.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 20:50 - Jul 4 with 1287 views

stowmarketrange

In my opinion it is purely vindictive on the part of the fans of the other clubs,as it is their only way to get back at one of the old firm.
It is the owners who should be prosecuted and not the fans.
And Monahoop,if Celtic where taken over by owners who did the same things in order to win trophies,would you still say the same?I seem to recall a time in the late 80's when Celtic would have broke the bank to try and catch Rangers up.
Luckily for them the owners went about it the right way,but it could have been a different story.
Despite a lot of hot air spoken,we as a club, have spent more than we could afford in order to gain and keep our Premiership place.As have a lot of other clubs.If our owners left and new ones came in and left us bankrupt again,would people be saying we should start again in the conference?
It is only the fans wanting to give Rangers a bloody nose,and I for one hope it comes back to bite them on the ar-se.

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Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 20:54 - Jul 4 with 1274 views

ahoz

Queens Park v Rangers @ Hampden Park would be interesting.
Some intriguing things come out of the Scottish Leagues - the Airdrieonians business commented above, the rise and demise of Gretna, an English team playing there, little Queens Pk @ Hampden Pk. Any others?

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 20:58 - Jul 4 with 1265 views

smegma

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 18:18 - Jul 4 by QPR1882
So unlike AFC did in England Rangers will not have to play in minor leagues before reaching the major leagues,Even though they are in effect a brand new team.

All leagues in Scotland are minor leagues.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 21:04 - Jul 4 with 1253 views

BazWoT

Still say there is a certain irony in the fact they have been shafted by men called Green and Whyte.

WE R PREMIER LEAGUE, SAY!!!

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 21:06 - Jul 4 with 1244 views

karl

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 20:50 - Jul 4 by stowmarketrange

[Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]

Rubbish

If you overspend, at the taxpayers expense (circa £100m), what do you honestly expect?
Rangers overspent(avoided tax) each year by approx the same amount as the average club in the SPL turnsover, that to me is tantamount to matchfixing.
Remember 30 yrs ago when Aberdeen and Dundee Utd were winning titles, Euro trophies? This was when Rangers didnt cheat btw
If the media and authorities werent in such thrall to them and Celtic then it might have been picked up on earlier and the 'fans' wouldnt be harmed so much, but any one who did raise questions were hounded. Remember McCoist demanding to know the names of the panel who initially placed the transfer embargo, and the subsequent requirement of police protection? The fact that McCoist knew who they were anyway but wanted their names 'in the public domain' is sickening.

Rangers OUT,OUT,OUT on 21:11 - Jul 4 with 1224 views

karl

BTW Stowe

I think QPR have suffered at the hands of bad debt, how many years were we out of the Premier and even Championship struggling to repay the ABC loan? Loyal fans had to endure that and to do so meant spending time away from the top table, Glasgow Rangers fans will now feel that same frustration of watching a team poorer than when you overspent. Lifes a bitch!

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