| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off 14:31 - Jan 24 with 7150 views | JAPRANGERS |
What is going on with BREXIT?? Could someone far more erudite than moi explain easily ??
Why has nothing been done up until now?? [Post edited 24 Jan 2017 14:31]
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| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:35 - Jan 24 with 3653 views | queensparker |
It's on, as it always was, but Theresa May can't just do whatever she wants, parliament who represent the country have a vote on the way forward.
How even the most rabid Brexiteer thinks this is a bad thing is beyond me, but we seem to be moving through an age of particularly moronic political discourse. |  | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:36 - Jan 24 with 3649 views | Antti_Heinola |
it will definitely happen, absolutely zero doubt about it.
Loads has happened. It's just fiendishly difficult to extricate yourself from something while still getting good replacement deals at the same time. |  |
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| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:37 - Jan 24 with 3640 views | MedwayR |
Nothing has been done up to now because Theresa May stated some months ago that Article 50 to begin negotiations to exit the EU won't be triggered until the en of March.
All this ruling means is that government have to vote on triggering Article 50 rather than May/Tories doing it as & when they like. It doesn't change anything else, Brexit is still happening. |  |
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| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:40 - Jan 24 with 3621 views | MedwayR |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:35 - Jan 24 by queensparker |
It's on, as it always was, but Theresa May can't just do whatever she wants, parliament who represent the country have a vote on the way forward.
How even the most rabid Brexiteer thinks this is a bad thing is beyond me, but we seem to be moving through an age of particularly moronic political discourse. |
I think there's just a lot of misinformation as usual, if it was explained properly very few people would have a problem with the court ruling. | |
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| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:40 - Jan 24 with 3614 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I watched a lot of the coverage today, JAPRANGERS, and the commentary seemed to indicate that the vote in Parliament that today's ruling guaranteed would most likely come after much negotiation between all the MP's, most likely resulting in amendments to any Bill introduced, and certainly a delay to the process.
But, as the other posters have said, today does not affect the exit. In fact, the Supreme Court was at pains to point out that the ruling in no way concerned EU membership, merely the exit process. |  |
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| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:42 - Jan 24 with 3598 views | robith |
All that has happened is the Supreme Court has upheld the constitution of the UK by insisting that Article 50 has to be triggered by the sovereign parliament.
All the hooha and "Enemies of the People" shtick has been farcical, given that people apparently wanted to hand power back to Westminster and most MPs represent constituencies that voted Leave so would be hard pressed to make a case for voting against it. It's actually made it easier by ruling the devolved Parliaments have no say (though that will have deeper consequences later on I imagine) |  | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:42 - Jan 24 with 3594 views | londonscottish |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:35 - Jan 24 by queensparker |
It's on, as it always was, but Theresa May can't just do whatever she wants, parliament who represent the country have a vote on the way forward.
How even the most rabid Brexiteer thinks this is a bad thing is beyond me, but we seem to be moving through an age of particularly moronic political discourse. |
LOL. Nicely put. |  |
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| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:51 - Jan 24 with 3552 views | stevec |
From the Courts to Branson, the sewers are slowly rising. |  | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:58 - Jan 24 with 3526 views | FDC |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:51 - Jan 24 by stevec |
From the Courts to Branson, the sewers are slowly rising. |
Enoch Powell's lesser known Rivers Of Shit speech. |  | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 15:12 - Jan 24 with 3479 views | JAPRANGERS |
Thanks everybody, makes it clear to me now! This is one of the things I love about this site, always knowledgeable people ready to help others.  | | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 15:15 - Jan 24 with 3461 views | smegma |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:40 - Jan 24 by BrianMcCarthy |
I watched a lot of the coverage today, JAPRANGERS, and the commentary seemed to indicate that the vote in Parliament that today's ruling guaranteed would most likely come after much negotiation between all the MP's, most likely resulting in amendments to any Bill introduced, and certainly a delay to the process.
But, as the other posters have said, today does not affect the exit. In fact, the Supreme Court was at pains to point out that the ruling in no way concerned EU membership, merely the exit process. |
Sorry, I will get to the news channels once the World Indoor Bowls Championships coverage finishes on BBC2 at 1645hrs. |  | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 15:27 - Jan 24 with 3433 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Perhaps we should just all sit down, put the kettle on and then invade Belgium after a nice cup of tea!
Expect the Scottish witch and the Blond lump at the Foreign Office to both have itchy fannies as a result of the decision handed down by the SC.
Proof, if it were ever needed....Das Angelas tread where fools dare to thrush in! |  |
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| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 15:39 - Jan 24 with 3382 views | danehoop |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 15:27 - Jan 24 by PlanetHonneywood |
Perhaps we should just all sit down, put the kettle on and then invade Belgium after a nice cup of tea!
Expect the Scottish witch and the Blond lump at the Foreign Office to both have itchy fannies as a result of the decision handed down by the SC.
Proof, if it were ever needed....Das Angelas tread where fools dare to thrush in! |
Think you mean David Davis at Department for Exiting The European Union. All their responsibility rather than Boris. |  |
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| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 15:39 - Jan 24 with 3381 views | connell10 |
Who cares. |  |
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| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:15 - Jan 24 with 3333 views | essextaxiboy |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:35 - Jan 24 by queensparker |
It's on, as it always was, but Theresa May can't just do whatever she wants, parliament who represent the country have a vote on the way forward.
How even the most rabid Brexiteer thinks this is a bad thing is beyond me, but we seem to be moving through an age of particularly moronic political discourse. |
I am a leave voter . I have no problem with todays verdict , the law is the law.
The fact that 3 judges sided with the Government shows that it wasnt a spurious appeal
I welcome another element to the Remain sides objections being dealt with and eliminated . |  | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:19 - Jan 24 with 3316 views | essextaxiboy |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 15:15 - Jan 24 by smegma |
Sorry, I will get to the news channels once the World Indoor Bowls Championships coverage finishes on BBC2 at 1645hrs. |
I played indoor bowls for a couple of years . Endless material for a sit-com . | | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:29 - Jan 24 with 3270 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:15 - Jan 24 by essextaxiboy |
I am a leave voter . I have no problem with todays verdict , the law is the law.
The fact that 3 judges sided with the Government shows that it wasnt a spurious appeal
I welcome another element to the Remain sides objections being dealt with and eliminated . |
Nice to hear Essex. No remoaner nonsense from you.
Every, and I mean every, remain voter I have met have accepted the UK's withdrawal from the EU.
The two biggest parties in the UK (Labour and Conservatives), and the SNP have also accepted the UK's wothdrawel from the EU.
The UK will withdraw from the EU.
However, while everyone has accepted the living room needs re decorating, no one can agree on the colour.
Let put an end to this ReMoaner bullshit. It's not a thing.
We are all leavers now. [Post edited 25 Jan 2017 14:17]
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| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:32 - Jan 24 with 3260 views | RamseyR |
Serious question....Did the MPs have a vote when we entered the common market? |  | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:37 - Jan 24 with 3236 views | QPR_John |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 14:35 - Jan 24 by queensparker |
It's on, as it always was, but Theresa May can't just do whatever she wants, parliament who represent the country have a vote on the way forward.
How even the most rabid Brexiteer thinks this is a bad thing is beyond me, but we seem to be moving through an age of particularly moronic political discourse. |
No problem with that but again it does raise the question about the point of the referendum. I do not remember being told this at the time but it seems it was advisory leaving it open to the current prevarication by those MPs and unelected lords against leaving. Parliament voted by a big majority for the referendum so you can only suppose some MPs voted for it in the knowledge they can delay things if they did not get the answer they wanted.
Is article 50 binding. I ask this because of the current idea of a second referendum and/or parliament being given a vote on the deal. What happens if article 50 is triggered, negotiations take place then it is rejected do we go cap in hand to the EU to be allowed back, adopt the Euro and enter the Schengen area. Many questions that don't seem to answered by our lords and masters. | | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:40 - Jan 24 with 3220 views | ShotKneesHoop |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 15:39 - Jan 24 by connell10 |
Who cares. |
It's bound to end in tears. |  |
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| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:50 - Jan 24 with 3189 views | robith |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:37 - Jan 24 by QPR_John |
No problem with that but again it does raise the question about the point of the referendum. I do not remember being told this at the time but it seems it was advisory leaving it open to the current prevarication by those MPs and unelected lords against leaving. Parliament voted by a big majority for the referendum so you can only suppose some MPs voted for it in the knowledge they can delay things if they did not get the answer they wanted.
Is article 50 binding. I ask this because of the current idea of a second referendum and/or parliament being given a vote on the deal. What happens if article 50 is triggered, negotiations take place then it is rejected do we go cap in hand to the EU to be allowed back, adopt the Euro and enter the Schengen area. Many questions that don't seem to answered by our lords and masters. |
Once you trigger Article 50 it's a done deal. If the deal isn't agreed then we are then subject to standard WTO rates on trade which, aren't great. Hence, in one of the few sensible things our govt has done, we're trying to put a bridging agreement in place. Whether it's accepted or not is up for chat.
To be readmitted to the EU we'd have to go through the application process which takes years. So, once that's triggered, clocks ticks and we leave regardless | | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:57 - Jan 24 with 3170 views | QPR_John |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:50 - Jan 24 by robith |
Once you trigger Article 50 it's a done deal. If the deal isn't agreed then we are then subject to standard WTO rates on trade which, aren't great. Hence, in one of the few sensible things our govt has done, we're trying to put a bridging agreement in place. Whether it's accepted or not is up for chat.
To be readmitted to the EU we'd have to go through the application process which takes years. So, once that's triggered, clocks ticks and we leave regardless |
Based on that to be voted against the deal would have to be worse than standard WTO rates. Surely no MP or unelected members of the lords would vote for a poorer deal unless of course they wanted to teach the public a lesson | | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 17:19 - Jan 24 with 3130 views | essextaxiboy |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:29 - Jan 24 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Nice to hear Essex. No remoaner nonsense from you.
Every, and I mean every, remain voter I have met have accepted the UK's withdrawal from the EU.
The two biggest parties in the UK (Labour and Conservatives), and the SNP have also accepted the UK's wothdrawel from the EU.
The UK will withdraw from the EU.
However, while everyone has accepted the living room needs re decorating, no one can agree on the colour.
Let put an end to this ReMoaner bullshit. It's not a thing.
We are all leavers now. [Post edited 25 Jan 2017 14:17]
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The word Brexit , to use the modern vernacular "boils my p'ss " | | | |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 17:28 - Jan 24 with 3102 views | essextaxiboy |
| BREXIT: It's on, it's off, it's on, it's off on 16:32 - Jan 24 by RamseyR |
Serious question....Did the MPs have a vote when we entered the common market? |
It was exactly the same as this one I believe , legally the vote was advisory but as in this vote the Government committed in writing to implement the will of the majority whatever that was .
A bit easier than this time as it was a 2/3rd majority to join. It was just a trading block then , if it reverted to that now I would be happy to stay .
My hope is that the whole thing collapses and can be rebuilt as just that , a common market. | | | |
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