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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? 13:46 - Jan 17 with 8477 views2Thomas2Bowles

Hows it looking from your side.

When willl this CV nightmare end
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 13:50 - Jan 17 with 3302 viewsFDC

It's looking increasingly like the Tories are going to use Brexit as a cover for doing all the things they wanted to do anyway; reduction in workers rights; dismantle public services; reduction in corporation tax etc.
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 13:58 - Jan 17 with 3274 viewsAntti_Heinola

I don't remember anyone voting to leave the single market - even many brexiteers considered that 'insanity'.
Absolute cluster. Thanks Cameron, lightweight dickhead.

Bare bones.

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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 13:59 - Jan 17 with 3272 viewsessextaxiboy

Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 13:50 - Jan 17 by FDC

It's looking increasingly like the Tories are going to use Brexit as a cover for doing all the things they wanted to do anyway; reduction in workers rights; dismantle public services; reduction in corporation tax etc.


One of the first things she said was that they would enshrine every EU law into British law . Workers lose nothing .

If you think they will repeal those rights in time then it is up to you{not personally} to get rid of a lame duck leader ,organise, win power and keep them .
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:04 - Jan 17 with 3255 viewsfrancisbowles

I thought it was an excellent speech. Laid out the plan in as much detail as she.could at this stage. Some good goals and firm statements for our European partners.

It is looking good to me but could be many years before we can judge.
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:07 - Jan 17 with 3235 viewsrunningman75

Theresa May next leader of UKIP?
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:12 - Jan 17 with 3204 viewsFDC

Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 13:58 - Jan 17 by Antti_Heinola

I don't remember anyone voting to leave the single market - even many brexiteers considered that 'insanity'.
Absolute cluster. Thanks Cameron, lightweight dickhead.


I don't remember anyone voting on transforming Britain into a tax haven either. Still, "Yay, no immigration!"
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:14 - Jan 17 with 3187 viewsAntti_Heinola

Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:12 - Jan 17 by FDC

I don't remember anyone voting on transforming Britain into a tax haven either. Still, "Yay, no immigration!"


No no no! You didn't listen. The vote to leave the EU was to make Britain MORE globalist and MORE open to the WHOLE WORLD! That's what people were thinking! We're too isolationist, we said. Let's throw off the shackles and be MORE global!

Bare bones.

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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:22 - Jan 17 with 3141 views1MoreBrightonR

to be fair, and i am not a fan of her or her party at all, she cant win...she is in an awful position. She cant set out a plan and a list of what they expect to get in negotiations, because then anything that they dont get will be seen as a failure. However if she does set out plans and what the aims are, she gets slated for not having a plan.
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:23 - Jan 17 with 3141 viewsFDC

On this proposed new economic model:

Surely a major flaw in Tory thinking is that to be a really good tax-haven you need to be sunny? Mooring your yacht off the coast of Rainy Fascist Island is surely not as appealing as rocking up to Monaco?
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:27 - Jan 17 with 3125 viewsBrightonhoop

UK is a joke of a country. It's a basket case. Doormat for despots and tax avoiders, like an increasingly desperate crackhead. Unelected PM pursues non-mandated policy having backed Remain.
UK is totally fcked for decades if Parliament vote this through. If Parliament is allowed to vote.
It's all over bar the shouting, Scots Indy Ref 2 on the way, NI falling apart, Yanks plotting to seduce City of London, rising inflation, pound collapsing.
England's dreaming.....
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:31 - Jan 17 with 3098 viewsMytch_QPR

Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 13:58 - Jan 17 by Antti_Heinola

I don't remember anyone voting to leave the single market - even many brexiteers considered that 'insanity'.
Absolute cluster. Thanks Cameron, lightweight dickhead.


Well the problem with the 'Brexiteers' is that they willingly signed up for a mystery tour as there was no plan in place - now they're starting to find out but it will take years and still needs to be passed by parliament.

Your Bavarian Cortina may cost a bit more after this (as well as your French plonk).

"Thank you for supporting Queens Park Rangers Steep Staircase"... and I thought I'd signed up for a rollercoaster.
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:31 - Jan 17 with 3094 viewsMrSheen

Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:27 - Jan 17 by Brightonhoop

UK is a joke of a country. It's a basket case. Doormat for despots and tax avoiders, like an increasingly desperate crackhead. Unelected PM pursues non-mandated policy having backed Remain.
UK is totally fcked for decades if Parliament vote this through. If Parliament is allowed to vote.
It's all over bar the shouting, Scots Indy Ref 2 on the way, NI falling apart, Yanks plotting to seduce City of London, rising inflation, pound collapsing.
England's dreaming.....


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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:34 - Jan 17 with 3062 viewsLblock

Can I just say...... anh, fock it..... I'll dip back in around page 37

Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal

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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:37 - Jan 17 with 3050 viewsBrightonhoop

Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:34 - Jan 17 by Lblock

Can I just say...... anh, fock it..... I'll dip back in around page 37


hahaha think i'll do so too L Block. Pass the popcorn.
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:40 - Jan 17 with 3034 viewsPinnerPaul

When are we starting on those new hospitals Nige promised us?
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:41 - Jan 17 with 3029 viewsMytch_QPR

Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:40 - Jan 17 by PinnerPaul

When are we starting on those new hospitals Nige promised us?


To be fair, he didn't - that was buffoon Boris and his xenophobe's battle bus.

"Thank you for supporting Queens Park Rangers Steep Staircase"... and I thought I'd signed up for a rollercoaster.
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:43 - Jan 17 with 3015 viewsstevec

Brilliant for all those people who are positive about life.

Nightmare for the doom mongers, the Left and the European Union (Soviet Union without the tanks).

We're free, we can do what we wanna do and we wanna have a good time.
Just what is it about State Control you sad leftie fckers want?
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:47 - Jan 17 with 2985 viewsPinnerPaul

Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:41 - Jan 17 by Mytch_QPR

To be fair, he didn't - that was buffoon Boris and his xenophobe's battle bus.


I thought Nige put his name to the amount quoted, we would "save" every week.

Less than 24 hours after the result was declared he said, on national TV, that quoting that figure - one of the main planks of the Leave campaign - had been a "mistake"

PS

Have we put the "Great" back in Great Britain yet?
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:50 - Jan 17 with 2962 viewsFDC

Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:43 - Jan 17 by stevec

Brilliant for all those people who are positive about life.

Nightmare for the doom mongers, the Left and the European Union (Soviet Union without the tanks).

We're free, we can do what we wanna do and we wanna have a good time.
Just what is it about State Control you sad leftie fckers want?


Man oh man. The spectacle of people who have been convinced that this country's problems stem from the EU and immigration, actually celebrating as a shower of Eton toffs systematically chip away at public services and individual liberties is quite something.
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 15:01 - Jan 17 with 2913 viewsBklynRanger

The pound rallied like a maniac after the speech, almost getting all the way to 1.24 against the dollar before running screamong back down the mountain. It's a terrifying thing when I find myself hoping that Trump, naive and full of it, is serious about a US -UK trade deal. (One that could take fcuking years to complete of course...)
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 15:05 - Jan 17 with 2886 viewsDWQPR

Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:27 - Jan 17 by Brightonhoop

UK is a joke of a country. It's a basket case. Doormat for despots and tax avoiders, like an increasingly desperate crackhead. Unelected PM pursues non-mandated policy having backed Remain.
UK is totally fcked for decades if Parliament vote this through. If Parliament is allowed to vote.
It's all over bar the shouting, Scots Indy Ref 2 on the way, NI falling apart, Yanks plotting to seduce City of London, rising inflation, pound collapsing.
England's dreaming.....


Jim, having spent much time in Spain myself, talking to many locals during the years of the financial crisis and the extra-ordinary slow recovery since then, a lot are very disenchanted with the EU, the Euro and the fact that their failure to come out of recession sooner has been severely restricted by an economic policy largely dictated by Berlin. Many Spanish would love to see the return of the peseta and envy the UK for retaining sterling and by such our fiscal independence, which has allowed us to get back on a more even keel and economic growth that much sooner. Ironically it is the British success story, when compared to the rest of the EU which has caused the main issue for the majority of leavers, of immigration, to be so high. UK is a nation that was creating jobs and wealth at a time when the rest of Europe, including Germany was failing, otherwise wouldn't you think that your average Pole would have sought better employment in Germany instead, given its geographical position to Poland, the same with Hungarians, Czechs etc.

And maybe Spain wouldn't have been in such a mess had they got a decent tax system that collected money efficiently. It took SEVEN years for the local Junta to send me a council tax demand for my property in Arboleas, Seven bloody years! And then that was only backdated for four years. And the cost of council tax? 250 euros a year. And what does the council do with this money, put in pavements in rural areas which nobody uses and bloody multi-coloured benches on these pavements that nobody sits on. Not only this but look at the black market in Spain, it has been out of control for years, bars, restaurants, small shops, deal a lot in cash and most of that goes missing from the books, buying a property, the declared price and the purchase price and the 'black money' paid in cash to the vendor in between to avoid purchase taxes was rife only a few years back. And I suspect the same in Italy, definitely in Greece and probably in Portugal, all who would now be better outside of the Euro and probably outside of the EU.

When the referendum happened I was a remainer, probably like Corbyn a '70% remainer', but to be honest if the vote were to happen again tomorrow, based on what I have seen in the last six months and read, and learned I would now be a '90% leaver', based on the Xenophobic stance towards the UK by leaders such as Hollande, now conspicuous by his absence of the French presedential ballot papers, the dictatorial stance towards the Irish government relating to their tax affairs with big business and the fact that countries like Italy have yet to implode, or at least their banking system, whereby 40% of loans are currently not serviced, by which I mean, no payments of interest or capital are being made. If anywhere is a basketcase then it is the Eurozone. The experiment is heading towards the buffers at high speed, the Euro will never work and after the series of national elections during the year, starting with the Dutch you will start to see confidence in the Euro wane.

And after all of their posturing, lets not forget, Europe needs a healthy UK. They are about to lose around £180million a week from their budget, which will need to be made up by the other member states so they will continue to need to trade with the UK in the best terms possible, especially given that they are net exporters to us.

And finally, forget about whether May is an elected PM or not, people in the UK, unlike the US vote for a party and not a leader, sure their decision might be influenced by who is leading, certainly this seems to be the case with that nomark Corbyn currently, but she is not the first person to take the office of PM in this country mid-term, in my lifetime she would be the fourth, after Callaghan, Major and Brown so it is not unprecedented and I didn't hear too many protests from Labour supporters when Callaghan and Brown took office. Strange.

And as far as NI is concerned, a new election, sure, the result? The same, no doubt, political and sectarian divides will see to that. Within a few months it will be business as usual at Stalmont. Scotland? Well, yeah, personally I think now that if there was a referendum in England about whether we would jettison Scotland then it would be a 'Yes'. Fishwoman can threaten all she likes, and she has to in the face of her own supporters, but the reality is that Scotland will end up in a mess, the economy is too reliant on oil and only a couple of weeks ago Len McClusky was lobbying the government to give the oil industry further subsidies to safeguard jobs in places like Aberdeen. The oil price is at a level now that US fracking is becoming profitable, it is making up for what the Saudis are pumping out of the ground, but it would still be a loss for the cost of getting oil out of the north sea, and as the world starts to wean itself of the black stuff in favour or more renewables then the industry will become even less attractive. And if Scotland did leave, then many larger corporations currently based their will migrate, Standard Life has previously confirmed this. And if they did become independent where would Scotland go? The EU would never accept them, as you know Spain would give them the two fingers straight away. Would they adopt the 'Norwegian model', probably cost them far more than they could afford. So I think you will find, that Scotland will remain part of the UK.

And inflation in the UK, yep, its coming back, mainly commodity driven, oil price increases in the last year and obvious the cost of imports increasing, but it will be temporary, once through it gets out the system in 12 months and inflation will fall again, but even the most pessimist of analysts cannot see inflation beyond 3% at its peak. And if, which is quite possible the Euro starts to reduce in value if France elects Le Pen then inflation will disappear that much quicker. So I think that I would rather be a UK citizen at this moment than one in Euroland.

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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 15:08 - Jan 17 with 2864 viewsMytch_QPR

Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:43 - Jan 17 by stevec

Brilliant for all those people who are positive about life.

Nightmare for the doom mongers, the Left and the European Union (Soviet Union without the tanks).

We're free, we can do what we wanna do and we wanna have a good time.
Just what is it about State Control you sad leftie fckers want?


We trust the Brussels bureaucrats more than the f*cking Tories, essentially. I'm off to get my lederhosen and beret. It strikes me that the Leave camp were more into 'state control' so they could close our borders from any undesirables who might want to come over and run our NHS or work in our factories (the remaining ones that we have)...

I think a can of worms has been opened with this thread and a lot of the original Brexit thread will just be repeated ad infinitum.
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"Thank you for supporting Queens Park Rangers Steep Staircase"... and I thought I'd signed up for a rollercoaster.
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 15:18 - Jan 17 with 2780 viewsstevec

Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 14:50 - Jan 17 by FDC

Man oh man. The spectacle of people who have been convinced that this country's problems stem from the EU and immigration, actually celebrating as a shower of Eton toffs systematically chip away at public services and individual liberties is quite something.


I'd say DWQPR just about covers it .

This chipping away at individual liberties you mention is a fantasy, where exactly? Not what you think might happen but is actually happening?

As for Public Services, you have a point, but surely a thriving economy is the thing most likely to put that right?

Out of interest, you could solve the NHS immediate problem pretty much straight off if we withdrew the 0.7% foreign aid pledge and put that into Social Care. How do you stand on that one?
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 15:22 - Jan 17 with 2749 viewsToast_R

You can vote agains the Tories, they can be removed from power by democratic election. Brussels on the other hand...

All this anti immigration bile, it's absolute moronic talk and just thick ammunition to throw against anyone who voted differently to your average re-moaner. Immigration works and always has done, the only difference being is that now the UK can have immigration under a controlled process just like any other developed country outside the EU operates, Australia, Canada for example, I don't hear anyone labelling them a xenophobic racists. We have the right to decide who we need and who we don't. Surely that's sensible? 300k plus a year increase in population, how can that possibly continue and not be a problem?
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Hard Brexit ? Out of Single Market, Tax Haven ? on 15:23 - Jan 17 with 2744 viewsrobith

Imagine if Remain won, and the next day Cameron came out and went "Bonza, we're joining the Euro and Shengen"
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