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4-2-3-1 provides a lot more support to the defense. If we go back down this route (which I'm all for) we'd suddenly be saying how solid the CBs look again.
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 14:46 - Apr 24 with 3511 views
The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 14:38 - Apr 24 by Toast_R
Anyone watch the "year to the day" video the club put out yesterday on Social Media? Cardiff 2 - 2 QPR from 2011. Nearly brought a tear to my eye.
We are a million miles a way from that team , which just goes to show what an absolute pigs ear TF has made of running this club since he took over which was only a few months after that as for the OP I share his sentiment about a new defence , formations, pace etc but ive actually got to the point where I don't really care anymore , if we don't go down this year it will be next , we really are a laughing stock
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 14:47 - Apr 24 with 3511 views
Think we could make a go of it with Furlong and Ned but Lynch and Bidwell should be back up at best.
Smith isn't mobile enough to play the lone striker as well as favouring flick ons rather than hold and lay and Sylla hasn't shown enough strength to fulfil the role either. Washington has looked lost in the role as well. So we need a decent front man but who doesn't. Sylla may be the best we have got for the role.
I would also want to include Luongo as centre mid and move Freeman left.
It then might work if Freeman and Wsolek could get forward enough to support the striker.
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 14:59 - Apr 24 with 3463 views
The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 14:46 - Apr 24 by paulparker
We are a million miles a way from that team , which just goes to show what an absolute pigs ear TF has made of running this club since he took over which was only a few months after that as for the OP I share his sentiment about a new defence , formations, pace etc but ive actually got to the point where I don't really care anymore , if we don't go down this year it will be next , we really are a laughing stock
Why blame it all on Fernandes?
Look who Warnock ran out to buy: Joey Barton, Luke Young, Armand Traore, Shaun Wright-Phillips and Anton Ferdinand.
Oh, and that was after already bringing in Jay Bothroyd, Kieron Dyer, Danny Gabbidon, DJ Campbell and Brian Murphy.
I too like 4231, but think like others have said the issues of our defence are as much to do with lack of protection and poor coaching as it is the quality of the individuals.
Smithies
Furlong Onuoha Hall Robinson
New DM Luongo
Wszolek Freeman Yeni/Shodipo/New Winger
New ST
Don't think any of our current strikers are particularly suited to the formation or are good enough to be starting strikers for a club with the hope of being a top half club. Washington should not be played on the left wing, it wastes his good traits and exposes his lack of defensive footballing intelligence. For all Holloway's talk of Shodipo needing to learn the defensive side of the game, Wash is as bad - doesn't know where to position himself out of possession and for all his endeavour - I'd much rather see a natural winger out there.
Furlong I think has shown enough to demonstrate he can potentially be a good fullback at this level. He's only 21, played reasonably well whenever I've seen him this year and clearly has a maturity beyond his years.
Onuoha and Hall kept pretty regular clean sheets as a partnership last season, with a new natural defensive midfielder protecting them and consistent selection, I sincerely believe they could again. I'd like to see a new CB signed to compete with them though.
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 15:15 - Apr 24 with 3406 views
I think Bidwell is a perfectly fine player who has been decent enough for most of the year, and is having a rotten finish, which of course means he is now the single worst player to have ever played any sport ever
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 15:23 - Apr 24 with 3382 views
I think Bidwell is a perfectly fine player who has been decent enough for most of the year, and is having a rotten finish, which of course means he is now the single worst player to have ever played any sport ever
This, but also he has been picked in about 4 different systems with little to no support ahead of him.
Put Bidwell in a flat back 4 with the onus on the defending & put a winger in front of him that will actually support him - you'll find he's more than good enough to play for QPR.
ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 15:26 - Apr 24 with 3371 views
I think Bidwell is a perfectly fine player who has been decent enough for most of the year, and is having a rotten finish, which of course means he is now the single worst player to have ever played any sport ever
Bidwell was shocking at the start of year , he has had about 10 above average games for us in the whole of the season , if he is a left back than im a Dutchman
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 15:37 - Apr 24 with 3345 views
The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 15:26 - Apr 24 by vegasranger
I read that Bidwell is earning three times the money he earned at Brentford. So much for learning from our mistakes !!
We can't have a go at the board literally every time someone comes in with a bigger wage than previous. That is literally how business works. 99% of people when moving job will want a wage rise. And also if you say that at least state how much he was originally on? Brentford arent the richest of clubs. I'm sure Bidwells wage will be within our limit. I get the point you are trying to make but it's unfair to lhave a go at that without real facts.
If he wasn't in our wage structure, he wouldn't have been signed.
Your mate the Brentford fan was touting this around last week, all the Brentford fans reckon Bidwell is on x3/4/5/6 what he was on there. It's one of those things that might be true, probably isn't, certainly exaggerated, that's just going to get repeated until it becomes a fact.
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 16:02 - Apr 24 with 3282 views
Bidwell was a solid, unspectacular, but perfectly fine defender at Brentford for several seasons. Some fans got over-excited when we signed him, perhaps because he was their captain (albeit a silent one in the Ned mode) and anticipated another Rowlands or Sinton. Yes he has disappointed, but moving from Brentford's stability to our madhouse can't have been much help to him.
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 16:08 - Apr 24 with 3264 views
The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 15:26 - Apr 24 by vegasranger
I read that Bidwell is earning three times the money he earned at Brentford. So much for learning from our mistakes !!
Well, I heard you have a compilation of every good song ever done by anybody. Every great song by the Beach Boys. All the underground hits. All the Modern Lovers tracks. I heard you have a vinyl of every Niagra record on German import. I heard that you have a white label of every seminal Detroit techno hit - 1985, '86, '87. I heard that you have a CD compilation of every good '60s cut and another box set from the '70s.
I hear that you and your band have sold your guitars and bought turntables.
I hear that you and your band have sold your turntables and bought guitars.
I hear everybody that you know
is more relevant
than everybody that I know.
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 16:17 - Apr 24 with 3234 views
Well, I heard you have a compilation of every good song ever done by anybody. Every great song by the Beach Boys. All the underground hits. All the Modern Lovers tracks. I heard you have a vinyl of every Niagra record on German import. I heard that you have a white label of every seminal Detroit techno hit - 1985, '86, '87. I heard that you have a CD compilation of every good '60s cut and another box set from the '70s.
I hear that you and your band have sold your guitars and bought turntables.
I hear that you and your band have sold your turntables and bought guitars.
I hear everybody that you know
is more relevant
than everybody that I know.
I was the first guy playing Daft Punk to the rock kids. I played it at CBGB's. Everybody thought I was crazy. We all know. I was there. I was there. I've never been wrong.
But I'm losing my edge to better-looking people with better ideas and more talent. And they're actually really, really nice.
You don't know what you really want.
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 16:19 - Apr 24 with 3225 views
I was the first guy playing Daft Punk to the rock kids. I played it at CBGB's. Everybody thought I was crazy. We all know. I was there. I was there. I've never been wrong.
But I'm losing my edge to better-looking people with better ideas and more talent. And they're actually really, really nice.
You don't know what you really want.
(In an ironic twist, I was the first person out of anyone I knew to own that on vinyl, before anyone had heard of LCD Sound System. I was there)
[Post edited 24 Apr 2017 16:21]
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 16:32 - Apr 24 with 3176 views
I was the first guy playing Daft Punk to the rock kids. I played it at CBGB's. Everybody thought I was crazy. We all know. I was there. I was there. I've never been wrong.
But I'm losing my edge to better-looking people with better ideas and more talent. And they're actually really, really nice.
You don't know what you really want.
And little jackets
And borrowed nostalgia for the unremembered 80s
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 16:44 - Apr 24 with 3134 views
(In an ironic twist, I was the first person out of anyone I knew to own that on vinyl, before anyone had heard of LCD Sound System. I was there)
[Post edited 24 Apr 2017 16:21]
Yes, I too was on board miraculously early as I saw them at Reading as the stages were running 30 minutes behind and I went to see !!! purely cos I thought their name was bants.
I only saw LCD's final song - Yeah. The internet was still in its fledgling state and I lost my programme so I kept going into HMV and MVC and being like "So it's this song where the guy just goes Yeah for 8 minutes then there's electro breakdown like e-e,e-e-e-e?" Took me ages to find out it was them
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The answer is 4-2-3-1 on 22:03 - Apr 24 with 2903 views
4-2-3-1 definitely fell out of fashion on here during JFH's reign. A few argued that it wasn't attacking enough because of the single striker.
I actually think it's a good 'all rounder': you've got two deep midfielders protecting your CBs, you've got three attacking midfielders playing off the striker so needn't be defensive at all (see our purple patch with Magilton), and you've got width too.
As with all formations, it's how they're executed really.
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