| Nelson on 10:54 - Nov 8 with 1225 views | jamois |
Some of these national associations are simply clueless, or so it appears. So what is currently our first choice defence will be missing. Although Hill can certainly do a job there instead, the similar fight for everything but aging legs scenario. Might not be that different. Am much more concerned by the presence of Ferdinand. |  |
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| Nelson on 10:54 - Nov 8 with 1215 views | derbyhoop |
We should try the Ashley Cole excuse. Sorry Mr NZ Coach, Ryan is injured and cannot make the trip as he's having treatment. Then he MIRACULOUSLY recovers in time for a game 3 days later. |  |
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| Nelson on 10:55 - Nov 8 with 1210 views | dodge_stoke_r |
Hopefully he will get stuck down with a virus that clears up on the Friday before the Southampton game |  | | |
| Nelson on 11:02 - Nov 8 with 1189 views | Neil_SI |
I have no problem with this.
I think it's important countries call up their best players and play them, and clubs understand that if they sign players that are from faraway places (or competitions and fixtures that occur during the season), then they have to accept the consequences.
The only way international football can recapture what used to be so great about it, is if players take it seriously and the best players are called up and used.
Ryan Nelsen's experience and pedigree in the game is vital for the development of younger and more inexperienced players over there. Every player should want to play for his country and have a real desire to represent them at every possible opportunity. |  | | |
| Nelson on 11:08 - Nov 8 with 1170 views | JonDoeman |
I blame Hughes. |  |
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| Nelson on 11:10 - Nov 8 with 1159 views | HollowayRanger |
id honestly stop signing all international players who put their countries before the club that pays their wages including the african players who kept going off to their afrian nations and yes that includes taarabt |  |
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| Nelson on 11:13 - Nov 8 with 1142 views | daveB |
I think international football would be better suited to only playing in the summer each year. You give the season dates back to the clubs so they finish all club football by second week of May. Then all international qualifers and friendlies are played from Mid Way to end of June. You could easily fit all the qualifiers in that time one year and the tournament the next. would be more exciting as well and give international managers a better chance of building a team in weeks rather than days |  | | |
| Nelson on 11:14 - Nov 8 with 1139 views | ElHoop |
| Nelson on 11:10 - Nov 8 by HollowayRanger |
id honestly stop signing all international players who put their countries before the club that pays their wages including the african players who kept going off to their afrian nations and yes that includes taarabt |
What a bloody good idea. Think of how much better we'd be without Nelsen and Taarabt at the moment! |  | | |
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| Nelson on 11:15 - Nov 8 with 1136 views | EastR |
| Nelson on 11:02 - Nov 8 by Neil_SI |
I have no problem with this.
I think it's important countries call up their best players and play them, and clubs understand that if they sign players that are from faraway places (or competitions and fixtures that occur during the season), then they have to accept the consequences.
The only way international football can recapture what used to be so great about it, is if players take it seriously and the best players are called up and used.
Ryan Nelsen's experience and pedigree in the game is vital for the development of younger and more inexperienced players over there. Every player should want to play for his country and have a real desire to represent them at every possible opportunity. |
That's a solid view when applied to competitive fixtures, but it when it comes to friendlies that are arranged for purely the financial gain of the respective FAs, it's a far less convincing argument |  |
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| Nelson on 11:16 - Nov 8 with 1127 views | QPR_Jim |
| Nelson on 11:10 - Nov 8 by HollowayRanger |
id honestly stop signing all international players who put their countries before the club that pays their wages including the african players who kept going off to their afrian nations and yes that includes taarabt |
Quite frankly if Nelson was the type of player to duck out of internationals and not want to play he wouldn't be the player he is and would have probably retired a couple of years ago! |  | | |
| Nelson on 11:21 - Nov 8 with 1115 views | jamois |
| Nelson on 11:02 - Nov 8 by Neil_SI |
I have no problem with this.
I think it's important countries call up their best players and play them, and clubs understand that if they sign players that are from faraway places (or competitions and fixtures that occur during the season), then they have to accept the consequences.
The only way international football can recapture what used to be so great about it, is if players take it seriously and the best players are called up and used.
Ryan Nelsen's experience and pedigree in the game is vital for the development of younger and more inexperienced players over there. Every player should want to play for his country and have a real desire to represent them at every possible opportunity. |
I think you're largely right Neil, I take your points totally, but when I hark back to the golden years, I don't remember any where near the same number of senseless friendlies taking place as the game wasn't so commercially driven back then as it is now. The annual calendar, number of games across multiple competitions etc means that the burden on players is far greater yet the game is much more intense. How you find the right balance between the values you are representing, which I believe to be correct, and the considerations of modern premiership football is a really tough one. In this case, for me, a friendly on the other side of the world against China just doesn't cut it. Particularly for a player whose commitment to his country could not possibly be questioned and who has constantly set a fine example to others throughout his career. | |
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| Nelson on 11:26 - Nov 8 with 1098 views | THEBUSH |
| Nelson on 11:15 - Nov 8 by EastR |
That's a solid view when applied to competitive fixtures, but it when it comes to friendlies that are arranged for purely the financial gain of the respective FAs, it's a far less convincing argument |
The problem is, players have clauses written in their contracts regarding things like this, so the clubs know exactly what they are getting when a player signs for them. |  | | |
| Nelson on 11:34 - Nov 8 with 1080 views | Neil_SI |
| Nelson on 11:21 - Nov 8 by jamois |
I think you're largely right Neil, I take your points totally, but when I hark back to the golden years, I don't remember any where near the same number of senseless friendlies taking place as the game wasn't so commercially driven back then as it is now. The annual calendar, number of games across multiple competitions etc means that the burden on players is far greater yet the game is much more intense. How you find the right balance between the values you are representing, which I believe to be correct, and the considerations of modern premiership football is a really tough one. In this case, for me, a friendly on the other side of the world against China just doesn't cut it. Particularly for a player whose commitment to his country could not possibly be questioned and who has constantly set a fine example to others throughout his career. |
That's the crux of the problem, it's the international calendar that needs to change and a reduction in friendly matches throughout the season.
Friendly games used to be important though and they still are, but they've been cannibalised by the changes in rules, from as many substitutes and now down to six per match. So they become meaningless and at times totally farcical.
If used and managed properly though, they are very important to a national team's development.
I see little value in those friendly matches being played in August, just days before the Premier League season kicks off, for example. There needs to be some common sense applied and the clubs need to work with their football associations to see if they can agree on a reduction of friendly matches.
But if it were me, when I was a boy and even growing up watching England, I took every friendly match as if it was a serious one. I wanted to see the best players and the country win. I would get very upset and cross otherwise, and, if it were me and I was a player, I'd have wanted to have represented my country on every occasion possible and want to win as many caps as possible. I'd be up for every game and want to play in it, no matter what. | | | |
| Nelson on 11:37 - Nov 8 with 1070 views | Northernr |
Take a tip from Rugby Union. Call them 'test matches' instead of 'friendlies' and suddenly the media will start behaving as if the entire world is on tenter hooks. It's all in the marketing, instead of "another round of pointless international friendlies" let's say Ryan Nelsen et al are heading off for "the Autumn tests". |  | | |
| Nelson on 11:45 - Nov 8 with 1049 views | Toast_R |
Good luck Ryan Nelson. I've no problem with him wanting to represent his country.
In a way I do blame Hughes for this.
Just shows how shambolic Hughes's transfer policy has been when we're now relying on a 34 year old flying round the world and back in a few days as he's our best defender and sweating on him being able to face the bottom club..... at home. |  | | |
| Nelson on 11:57 - Nov 8 with 1020 views | Northernr |
| Nelson on 11:45 - Nov 8 by Toast_R |
Good luck Ryan Nelson. I've no problem with him wanting to represent his country.
In a way I do blame Hughes for this.
Just shows how shambolic Hughes's transfer policy has been when we're now relying on a 34 year old flying round the world and back in a few days as he's our best defender and sweating on him being able to face the bottom club..... at home. |
And in January we're losing a clutch of three key players to the ANC. Happy days. | | | |
| Nelson on 12:04 - Nov 8 with 983 views | Toast_R |
Okay, Taraabt, Diakite, Traore and I'm guessing M'bia all out.
Weirdly, we've been at our best this season witouth all those in the side anyway.
Clutching at straws here but you'd like to think there is adequate cover in those areas.
Hughes wont be here then anyway so who knows? | | | |
| Nelson on 12:22 - Nov 8 with 925 views | DevonWhite |
| Nelson on 12:04 - Nov 8 by Toast_R |
Okay, Taraabt, Diakite, Traore and I'm guessing M'bia all out.
Weirdly, we've been at our best this season witouth all those in the side anyway.
Clutching at straws here but you'd like to think there is adequate cover in those areas.
Hughes wont be here then anyway so who knows? |
Cameroon and Senegal didn't qualify. | | | |
| Nelson on 12:54 - Nov 8 with 825 views | A40Bosh |
| Nelson on 11:34 - Nov 8 by Neil_SI |
That's the crux of the problem, it's the international calendar that needs to change and a reduction in friendly matches throughout the season.
Friendly games used to be important though and they still are, but they've been cannibalised by the changes in rules, from as many substitutes and now down to six per match. So they become meaningless and at times totally farcical.
If used and managed properly though, they are very important to a national team's development.
I see little value in those friendly matches being played in August, just days before the Premier League season kicks off, for example. There needs to be some common sense applied and the clubs need to work with their football associations to see if they can agree on a reduction of friendly matches.
But if it were me, when I was a boy and even growing up watching England, I took every friendly match as if it was a serious one. I wanted to see the best players and the country win. I would get very upset and cross otherwise, and, if it were me and I was a player, I'd have wanted to have represented my country on every occasion possible and want to win as many caps as possible. I'd be up for every game and want to play in it, no matter what. |
Neil
Part of me still has that view, but the other part of me believes that there is a disconnect in the modern game between the corporations that are Professional Premier League Teams and the international teams which I would liken to the territorial army or doing jury service or voluntary work/work in the community.
It's all great and should be supported and encouraged, but from a selfish point of view if you are a company struggling to stay in business and trying to survive in a really tough economic climate, you are going to lose some of your best employees for 3-4 weeks to go off and do charity work, which can have immediate effect on the company's productivity. Then some of them return shagged out and take a while to get back up to speed on their job or worse than that come back injured and are never the same employee that they once were (Martin Rowlands).
So I can see why we would be fuming come January if we are just getting out of trouble and then have Adel, Traore, Mbia, Diakite and Nelson shooting off to undertake public duties. It is just as well Ale Faurlin has stayed under the Argentinian radar so far and God help us if BZ suddenly turns into a goal machine this month and Woy comes calling!! |  |
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| Nelson on 13:59 - Nov 8 with 710 views | HollowayRanger |
| Nelson on 11:14 - Nov 8 by ElHoop |
What a bloody good idea. Think of how much better we'd be without Nelsen and Taarabt at the moment! |
i know i know easy target
but i want players here fighting to save us not flying around the world for friendlies and the afican nations cup | |
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| Nelson on 14:02 - Nov 8 with 700 views | Northernr |
| Nelson on 13:59 - Nov 8 by HollowayRanger |
i know i know easy target
but i want players here fighting to save us not flying around the world for friendlies and the afican nations cup |
So you want players who are not good enough to be called up by international teams? | | | |
| Nelson on 14:03 - Nov 8 with 696 views | Antti_Heinola |
N-E-L-S-E-N watch. |  |
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| Nelson on 14:27 - Nov 8 with 653 views | HollowayRanger |
| Nelson on 14:02 - Nov 8 by Northernr |
So you want players who are not good enough to be called up by international teams? |
no i want 35 year olds to commit themselves to the club thats given them one last swansong in the premiership instead of playing friendies that mean nothing
and african cup players doing the same playing for the club that pays their wage instead of missing 4-5-6=- vital games
but like i said they wouldnt be here if i were in charge id stick to buying european players | |
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| Nelson on 14:35 - Nov 8 with 638 views | Northernr |
| Nelson on 14:27 - Nov 8 by HollowayRanger |
no i want 35 year olds to commit themselves to the club thats given them one last swansong in the premiership instead of playing friendies that mean nothing
and african cup players doing the same playing for the club that pays their wage instead of missing 4-5-6=- vital games
but like i said they wouldnt be here if i were in charge id stick to buying european players |
So even though it's the African Nations Cup that actually brings these players to the club's attention in the first place, you think they should shun it as soon as they do have a club? | | | |
| Nelson on 14:43 - Nov 8 with 621 views | JonDoeman |
| Nelson on 14:35 - Nov 8 by Northernr |
So even though it's the African Nations Cup that actually brings these players to the club's attention in the first place, you think they should shun it as soon as they do have a club? |
He has a point in his first sentence though. | |
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