| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care 01:45 - Nov 22 with 17801 views | Daley_Lama |
Hi all
There have been two accidents at this junction the last two nights, both at approx 22:00
I perceive the following as the reason for both accidents, said without seeing either but asking about the cause of both.
If you are heading from Littleborough and wish to turn right onto Whitworth Road, there is a new filter lane but no filter light.
When the traffic from John St and Whitworth Road have had their turn, it is St Mary's Gates turn.
Traffic heading from Asda to Littleborough get a green light first.
15 seconds later traffic heading from Littleborough to Asda get a green light.
There is no filter light for the right turn onto Whitworth Road. They simply see a green light.
The lights heading from Asda to Littleborough however are still fully on green.
With no filter light cars heading from Littleborough turning onto Whitworth Road naturally do green for go and if a car is coming the other way - accident.
I don't think this presents much of an issue at day time as the weight of traffic along St Mary's gate means cars don't simply proceed
At 22:00 the traffic flow is different. There's little initial queueing traffic and cars are simply travelling at 40 with a green light ploughing into a car turning across them with a perceived green light.
If nothing else, please advise those you know to proceed with care. It's a BIG accident waiting to happen, the one I saw tonight had police, ambulance and fire engines but from what I saw nothing terminal.
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 19:31 - Nov 27 with 1732 views | pioneer |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 18:55 - Nov 27 by D_Alien |
Did you not read the bit about front line work? The roles I undertook in the latter part of my career came about through a long and thorough grounding in direct patient care during the earlier part, in several specialties.
Look, you're out of your depth here. I've tried my best to explain the complexities and you're not even capable of reading what's been posted.
You wouldn't last two minutes in the same environment, so you can also stick your "anger management" point further up your jacksie as far as your duodenum. the only thing I get angry about is sheer bloody ignorance. |
Pardon my ignorance but is it the Pennine Acute Trust that benefited from your expertise, because PAT appear to be real table toppers when it comes to the quality of care that you have been striving to achieve? Its a litany of poor working environment, poor management and poor clinical performance (see below for just a few examples)- despite your efforts, although to be fair I couldnt find a poop-shovelling index. It might have excelled at that.
Your talents are obviously being wasted.
I need some different suggestions for where to place my thoughts and opinions since certain orifices would already be full should I take your advice.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/health/pennine-acute-trust-one-botto
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11561484/Patients-wait-in-AandE-for-
http://www.ombudsman.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/28876/Complaints_about_a
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-hospitals-complai |  | | |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 19:49 - Nov 27 with 1707 views | mingthemerciless |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 18:46 - Nov 27 by SuddenLad |
The 'duty of care' of the Ambulance crew was wholly due to the patient, regardless of family circumstances.
It's sad that he passed away, but his wife & kids were very much a secondary consideration in the circumstances.
Priorities are absolutely vital and by taking hm as quickly as possible, they optimised his chances, however slight.
The side issues have nothing to do with the treatment of patients or the running of the NHS. |
I agree with all of that. I'm not knocking the medical people involved. Just pointing out a fragment of modern life. Very disturbing. | | | |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 19:52 - Nov 27 with 1707 views | TalkingSutty |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 18:49 - Nov 27 by pioneer |
Its becoming a lot clearer now - you don't treat patients, you 'worked alongside' those who treat patients. Part of the workforce not involved in direct patient care. So everything is a number to you. You take the results of clinical studies performed in highly controlled situations and tell clinicians this is what they should do in their non-controlled every day workloads. Difficult to see why we bother paying to put them through med school when you can tell them what they should be doing.
I hope those you 'worked alongside' never challenged you - I hate to think what those numbers (patients) would think about your interpersonal skills.
In fact I'd be worried that your tendency to abuse posters might be a symptom of a wider issue. Have you ever tried anger management? Or is that something for leftys? |
Anger management doesn't work for everybody, i tried it. Pioneer, this is nowt to do with me but it's getting a bit personal when you start running down a fellow poster about his own personal job of work or his status.
Fall out about football issues but I don't think Dalian deserves a grilling on his role or place of work,it doesn't sit right. Tell me to p* ss off and mind my own business if you want. [Post edited 27 Nov 2015 20:05]
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 20:10 - Nov 27 with 1686 views | pioneer |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 19:52 - Nov 27 by TalkingSutty |
Anger management doesn't work for everybody, i tried it. Pioneer, this is nowt to do with me but it's getting a bit personal when you start running down a fellow poster about his own personal job of work or his status.
Fall out about football issues but I don't think Dalian deserves a grilling on his role or place of work,it doesn't sit right. Tell me to p* ss off and mind my own business if you want. [Post edited 27 Nov 2015 20:05]
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OK point taken, we have established there is a particular position behind his/her views and been entertained for an evening.
And unlike his/her holiness I wouldn't dream of telling you to **** off. | | | |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 20:35 - Nov 27 with 1651 views | 442Dale |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 20:10 - Nov 27 by pioneer |
OK point taken, we have established there is a particular position behind his/her views and been entertained for an evening.
And unlike his/her holiness I wouldn't dream of telling you to **** off. |
I would, TS is a proper wind-up merchant. |  |
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 20:35 - Nov 27 with 1647 views | mingthemerciless |
I don't think the guy in question has been shy about what he does for a living. If you want to be so high profile about your occupation you can expect a bit of a grilling, especially when it's relevant to the issue in hand. As for the effing and jeffing, it's a bit childish on a site like this. | | | |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 20:51 - Nov 27 with 1619 views | TalkingSutty |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 20:35 - Nov 27 by 442Dale |
I would, TS is a proper wind-up merchant. |
It wasn't me who designed the Red Kit honest!! | | | |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 21:02 - Nov 27 with 1583 views | TVOS1907 |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 20:51 - Nov 27 by TalkingSutty |
It wasn't me who designed the Red Kit honest!! |
You've got more sense. |  |
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 21:03 - Nov 27 with 1582 views | D_Alien |
I'll not pardon your ignorance, because you should know better.
I've striven my entire career to do the best I can and encourage those I've worked with to do the same. I don't need to say that, least of all to someone as ignorant as you, but I will do anyway.
I don't suppose it occurred to you that the population served by Pennine Acute has just about the worst profile in terms of lifestyle, obesity, heart disease, diabetes and employment in the country. It's against this backdrop that all of these reports need to viewed. And what do you suggest staff who work there do about it?
Try and improve it? Or take the line of being ignorantly critical? Let me ask YOU - what the f*ck have YOU ever done to try and improve things for our local population? I'm proud of what I've done, and my career is over now. Without the striving of good people things would've been a damned sight worse, you ignoramus. |  |
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 21:08 - Nov 27 with 1568 views | D_Alien |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 20:35 - Nov 27 by mingthemerciless |
I don't think the guy in question has been shy about what he does for a living. If you want to be so high profile about your occupation you can expect a bit of a grilling, especially when it's relevant to the issue in hand. As for the effing and jeffing, it's a bit childish on a site like this. |
I disagree
Effing and jeffing is pretty much what happens in football, both on the pitch and off it. This being a football website, it's entirely in keeping with the game and then spills over into other areas under discussion. it's for adults, not children, and it's childish to think otherwise.
Edit: I agree about the grilling. I do put myself out there and quite forceably, so I've no problem with being grilled about what I post; all I'd ask is that it's done with intelligence and/or wit.
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 21:35 - Nov 27 with 1528 views | 1mark1 |
I often hear the "left wing" being critisised, in an attempt to slag them off. However it was the "left" that took on the establishment to create the NHS, Welfare State, major public house building programme, etc, etc. I am proud of the left's role in rebuilding our great country after WW2.
Locally it wasn't just the "left" who opposed the downgrading of RI, however, the situation was cloudy, as the reforms were started under Blair's government with the support of the then towns Labour MP. It was opposed at the time by the Lib Dems, Tories , many in the LP, and many not in any party, as well as much of the staff.
It is however true that you cannot do everything in every Town's general hospital, and therefore it does/did make sense to have specialisised units in smaller number of places. However it is also true, that RI was downgraded , underfunded and undermined for many years to turn into a hospital that specialists did not want to train or work at. RI could and should have held onto some of the services that moved out, possibly Maternity could have been at RI instead of Boundry Park, that would have allowed Oldham to have grown it's AE dept as and when required. |  |
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 22:09 - Nov 27 with 1496 views | mingthemerciless |
We were taken for a ride generally as far as local health care is concerned. The argument for centralising specialist facilities is a good one but we seemed to completely miss out on everything when the resources were being allocated. | | | |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 22:31 - Nov 27 with 1477 views | 1mark1 |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 22:09 - Nov 27 by mingthemerciless |
We were taken for a ride generally as far as local health care is concerned. The argument for centralising specialist facilities is a good one but we seemed to completely miss out on everything when the resources were being allocated. |
Totally correct. We were told all along that there would be a share out of resources and until the last moment RI would remain an AE. We were told Rochdale would have a specialism , can't remember which one, but it never materialised . We were badly let down by the town's MPs, and other elected representatives who failed to properly bat for the town.
NO ONE expected all services to remain at RI, and for it to remain a major AE, and for reasons outlined, there is compelling arguments for having specialist centres.
The vast majority of Rochdale's births could have safely happened in a Midwife Led maternity Unit at RI, after all a lot of resources had already gone into improving RI when BHill shut or was being shut down. | |
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 22:44 - Nov 27 with 1447 views | Daley_Lama |
Triffic traffic update
There is now a yellow roadworks type of sign telling drivers to give way to oncoming traffic.
If that stops 1 accident it is an improvement. | |
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 22:50 - Nov 27 with 1439 views | dingdangblue |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 22:44 - Nov 27 by Daley_Lama |
Triffic traffic update
There is now a yellow roadworks type of sign telling drivers to give way to oncoming traffic.
If that stops 1 accident it is an improvement. |
100's of thousands spent improving the junction and we end up with a metal sign helping traffic! Like you say if it stops 1 accident its worth it. |  |
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 22:52 - Nov 27 with 1437 views | 1mark1 |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 22:44 - Nov 27 by Daley_Lama |
Triffic traffic update
There is now a yellow roadworks type of sign telling drivers to give way to oncoming traffic.
If that stops 1 accident it is an improvement. |
Agree, but does it need a filter light in the long term? | |
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 23:52 - Nov 27 with 1402 views | D_Alien |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 22:09 - Nov 27 by mingthemerciless |
We were taken for a ride generally as far as local health care is concerned. The argument for centralising specialist facilities is a good one but we seemed to completely miss out on everything when the resources were being allocated. |
We were due to become a centre of excellence for cardiac care around 2005, then the medical goalposts changed. I worked with the team who provided the evidence that patients admitted to RI with suspected heart attack were one of the most efficient in the UK in delivering thrombolysis (bloodclot-busting drugs) and this, from being one of the worst performing in the country just after services moved from Birch Hill to RI
(Note to pioneer - the cardiologists and nurse specialists responsible requested my input due to my track record of understanding the issues and putting together the relevant information - so much for your thoughts on my interfering with the work of clinicians).
A lot of time and effort went into this. Then a new technique came along (PCI) which changed the game, and due to a variety of reasons this could only be delivered at MRI.
That's healthcare for you. And that's how it'll continue. It's no-one's fault, but you've got to follow the evidence of what's best for patients. That's also why I - rightly- get angry when people start banging on about "provider elites". Utter tripe. [Post edited 28 Nov 2015 0:05]
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 01:41 - Nov 28 with 1330 views | Daley_Lama |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 22:52 - Nov 27 by 1mark1 |
Agree, but does it need a filter light in the long term? |
If it is proven as the best option for the safety of drivers at 16:50 on a friday, then no complaints.
I have been advising directly and through media for this junction to be changed so that all 4 directions get priority on the usual logical rotation.
Going forward i shall be seeking out the insurers of the vehicles involved in thu night's accident and providing them with what i have.
I work in the private sector and have done all my life. This is the first time i have ever bern slightly irked by local stuff.
Not surprised by the speed of change or general reluctance to admit something is wrong.
I am surprised that everything that could be done to protect the safety of individuals has not been done this week. H&S for a single employee in a multi-million project can stop that project dead in my work life.
I am genuinely happy that the sign went up tonight.
The devil in me would say that this shows something was wrong in the first place but that is for solicitors. | |
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 03:19 - Nov 28 with 1316 views | pioneer |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 21:03 - Nov 27 by D_Alien |
I'll not pardon your ignorance, because you should know better.
I've striven my entire career to do the best I can and encourage those I've worked with to do the same. I don't need to say that, least of all to someone as ignorant as you, but I will do anyway.
I don't suppose it occurred to you that the population served by Pennine Acute has just about the worst profile in terms of lifestyle, obesity, heart disease, diabetes and employment in the country. It's against this backdrop that all of these reports need to viewed. And what do you suggest staff who work there do about it?
Try and improve it? Or take the line of being ignorantly critical? Let me ask YOU - what the f*ck have YOU ever done to try and improve things for our local population? I'm proud of what I've done, and my career is over now. Without the striving of good people things would've been a damned sight worse, you ignoramus. |
Not biting as I promised TS | | | |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 06:29 - Nov 28 with 1303 views | TalkingSutty |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 03:19 - Nov 28 by pioneer |
Not biting as I promised TS |
Well done , there's enough going on in the world without falling out on a footy forum.
Lama, the yellow metal sign at the junction was in place when i drove past just before Friday lunchtime. The amount of money and time spent on that junction and they have to resort to a tin sign to improve safety. Heads should roll and explanations given but everything will be swept under the carpet.
There's no accountability anymore and it's been like that for a long time, professional people making bad decisions, my mind drifts back to Brunton Park!!
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 09:49 - Nov 28 with 1248 views | since58 |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 06:29 - Nov 28 by TalkingSutty |
Well done , there's enough going on in the world without falling out on a footy forum.
Lama, the yellow metal sign at the junction was in place when i drove past just before Friday lunchtime. The amount of money and time spent on that junction and they have to resort to a tin sign to improve safety. Heads should roll and explanations given but everything will be swept under the carpet.
There's no accountability anymore and it's been like that for a long time, professional people making bad decisions, my mind drifts back to Brunton Park!!
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we were all adrift that night . | | | |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 09:55 - Nov 28 with 1239 views | 442Dale |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 06:29 - Nov 28 by TalkingSutty |
Well done , there's enough going on in the world without falling out on a footy forum.
Lama, the yellow metal sign at the junction was in place when i drove past just before Friday lunchtime. The amount of money and time spent on that junction and they have to resort to a tin sign to improve safety. Heads should roll and explanations given but everything will be swept under the carpet.
There's no accountability anymore and it's been like that for a long time, professional people making bad decisions, my mind drifts back to Brunton Park!!
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People were far too harsh on Thackeray at that time. | |
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 10:06 - Nov 28 with 1223 views | since58 |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 09:55 - Nov 28 by 442Dale |
People were far too harsh on Thackeray at that time. |
it was more like a decision made by by jake thackray not andy | | | |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 10:47 - Nov 28 with 1201 views | pioneer |
| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 23:52 - Nov 27 by D_Alien |
We were due to become a centre of excellence for cardiac care around 2005, then the medical goalposts changed. I worked with the team who provided the evidence that patients admitted to RI with suspected heart attack were one of the most efficient in the UK in delivering thrombolysis (bloodclot-busting drugs) and this, from being one of the worst performing in the country just after services moved from Birch Hill to RI
(Note to pioneer - the cardiologists and nurse specialists responsible requested my input due to my track record of understanding the issues and putting together the relevant information - so much for your thoughts on my interfering with the work of clinicians).
A lot of time and effort went into this. Then a new technique came along (PCI) which changed the game, and due to a variety of reasons this could only be delivered at MRI.
That's healthcare for you. And that's how it'll continue. It's no-one's fault, but you've got to follow the evidence of what's best for patients. That's also why I - rightly- get angry when people start banging on about "provider elites". Utter tripe. [Post edited 28 Nov 2015 0:05]
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| Whitworth Road/St Mary's Gate Junction: Procede with care on 10:57 - Nov 28 with 1190 views | aleanddale |
A sign is better than nowt.
And a two way flow should definitely improve queuing traffic.
Filter right turn light on red is a must though long term that will still allow a two way flow whilst instructing right turn drivers to wait for a green light.
Interesting to see if and when a filter light is fitted. | | | |
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