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Whatever the outcome - and it's neck & neck still - voters in the regions of England seem to be taking the opportunity to give the political/establishment class a good kicking
Unless the Leave campaign wins, that will quickly get buried, which would be a shame
Shall we assume the rigged voting and use of pencils won't be an issue any more?
Huge result this, with huge consequences everywhere.
The Scotland situation is a big one and it's hard to see how Scotland can vote for the EU with such numbers yet remain part of a UK which isn't part of the EU. They'd win any independence vote from now on (especially with a 100% more personable leader in Sturgeon). Not only have we voted for Brexit, we've voted for Scexit.
So why have Scotland voted for EU and not England? Why have the traditional left of centre towns in England gone for exit whilst their Scottish equivalents gone for stay? For me, thats a massive failing of the Labour Party - a bigger failing than the last election. The people of Scotland feel they have someone to speak for them in the SNP, whilst there is an ongoing feeling about towns in England (like our own) feeling forgotten about.
The coffee table politics of Corbyn have failed to speak to them and instead they've opted for a campaign led by two people - one who has never been elected as an MP and the other who campaigned to remain until he got a sniff of 10 Downing Street.
But...... I'd guess France will inevitably follow our lead, and they won't be on their own. The EU as it stands may get broken up. And that could be the best situation for us. We're out, everyone starts to drop out and a new EU is formed that is simply based upon trade agreements.
Looks like Sinn Fein are getting themselves excited about the Irish border.
On the subject of Scottish independence, their economic model is significantly worse now than it was two years ago. They'd have a similar balance sheet to Bury, so let's see if Nicola Sturgeon has the courage of her convictions.
Interesting times, but a long overdue revision of the politics in the UK and beyond, to bring us into the 21st century. Bye bye EU (we'll still be your friends, even though you're crap ones), hello World.
Looks like Sinn Fein are getting themselves excited about the Irish border.
On the subject of Scottish independence, their economic model is significantly worse now than it was two years ago. They'd have a similar balance sheet to Bury, so let's see if Nicola Sturgeon has the courage of her convictions.
Interesting times, but a long overdue revision of the politics in the UK and beyond, to bring us into the 21st century. Bye bye EU (we'll still be your friends, even though you're crap ones), hello World.
Give it a year or two and you'll hardly be able to find anybody who voted for out. Just like you couldn't find anybody who voted for Mrs Thatcher when she finally left.
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Elephant in the room on 06:21 - Jun 24 with 6379 views
Give it a year or two and you'll hardly be able to find anybody who voted for out. Just like you couldn't find anybody who voted for Mrs Thatcher when she finally left.
Very likely, but the danger is the folk who'll suffer - like in Thatcher's time - will be those who voted for it - the posh boys will fiddle while the poor burn
Shall we assume the rigged voting and use of pencils won't be an issue any more?
Huge result this, with huge consequences everywhere.
The Scotland situation is a big one and it's hard to see how Scotland can vote for the EU with such numbers yet remain part of a UK which isn't part of the EU. They'd win any independence vote from now on (especially with a 100% more personable leader in Sturgeon). Not only have we voted for Brexit, we've voted for Scexit.
So why have Scotland voted for EU and not England? Why have the traditional left of centre towns in England gone for exit whilst their Scottish equivalents gone for stay? For me, thats a massive failing of the Labour Party - a bigger failing than the last election. The people of Scotland feel they have someone to speak for them in the SNP, whilst there is an ongoing feeling about towns in England (like our own) feeling forgotten about.
The coffee table politics of Corbyn have failed to speak to them and instead they've opted for a campaign led by two people - one who has never been elected as an MP and the other who campaigned to remain until he got a sniff of 10 Downing Street.
But...... I'd guess France will inevitably follow our lead, and they won't be on their own. The EU as it stands may get broken up. And that could be the best situation for us. We're out, everyone starts to drop out and a new EU is formed that is simply based upon trade agreements.
Good post.
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Elephant in the room on 06:49 - Jun 24 with 6332 views
Shall we assume the rigged voting and use of pencils won't be an issue any more?
Huge result this, with huge consequences everywhere.
The Scotland situation is a big one and it's hard to see how Scotland can vote for the EU with such numbers yet remain part of a UK which isn't part of the EU. They'd win any independence vote from now on (especially with a 100% more personable leader in Sturgeon). Not only have we voted for Brexit, we've voted for Scexit.
So why have Scotland voted for EU and not England? Why have the traditional left of centre towns in England gone for exit whilst their Scottish equivalents gone for stay? For me, thats a massive failing of the Labour Party - a bigger failing than the last election. The people of Scotland feel they have someone to speak for them in the SNP, whilst there is an ongoing feeling about towns in England (like our own) feeling forgotten about.
The coffee table politics of Corbyn have failed to speak to them and instead they've opted for a campaign led by two people - one who has never been elected as an MP and the other who campaigned to remain until he got a sniff of 10 Downing Street.
But...... I'd guess France will inevitably follow our lead, and they won't be on their own. The EU as it stands may get broken up. And that could be the best situation for us. We're out, everyone starts to drop out and a new EU is formed that is simply based upon trade agreements.
Scotland is an irrelevance to me. If England held a referendum to kick them out I'm confident we would.
Looking at the Northern towns - and it's the North that's won the day - it's striking that the Northern towns which have seen high immigration (from wherever) which have voted leave overwhelmingly.
Bradford voted leave. Leeds was 50-50 for example.
And I still don't know what Labour's stance on the vote is/was. They're a bit like Stockport to me, well supported but irrelevant.
Elephant in the room on 06:21 - Jun 24 by tony_roch975
Very likely, but the danger is the folk who'll suffer - like in Thatcher's time - will be those who voted for it - the posh boys will fiddle while the poor burn
Yeah, what else is new. People said the Iraq war was our biggest foreign policy disaster since Suez. I think this could trump both of those events.
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Elephant in the room on 07:03 - Jun 24 with 6292 views
A very dark day for the country, recession here we come.
Regardless of the long-term future of the EU, it will take us years to recover from this. In the immigration issue, nobody will want to come here because there will be far fewer jobs, and the state won't be able to support us!
Joke of a referendum used by Cameron to scrape a win in the general election - he has to resign now.
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Elephant in the room on 07:04 - Jun 24 with 6289 views
How this monumental decision is embraced by the government is critical? We need to see it as an opportunity not a hindrance. It's not going to be easy and we may see a slight downturn initially, but how we come out of it on the other side is obviously key. This is a massive bloody nose to Westminster what ever colour party you prefer which could see politicians rethink policies effecting anything outside London, but ultimately It has to be seen as a chance to hopefully create a country that could flourish.
Half full or half empty, that's where we are.
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Elephant in the room on 07:22 - Jun 24 with 6230 views
Elephant in the room on 06:49 - Jun 24 by Porlicks
The decline and fall of the UK is almost complete. What a small-minded, negative country we have become. When the going gets tough...
The greatest evacuation from Europe since Dunkirk.
Short term pain will be worth it in the long run. Only History will reveal who was right but personally I am comfortable with getting the hell out. The financial instability of countries like Greece and Italy and several more is an accident waiting to happen and who would pick up the bill?
Successive Governments have had decades to sort the immigration problems out and that was top of Cameron's agenda when people like myself voted him in, instead the situation as worsened. He's payed lip service to it and put it in the 'Too hard to do tray'.
In fact Cameron's behaviour during the last couple of months has probably pushed plenty of voters the other way. He spends millions of tax payers money on producing a leaflet to set out the facts on the European Vote, instead it was just a one eyed version of his own beliefs, no balance in the information at all. That was a insult to the general public and revealed the contempt he holds them in. Always been a Conservative voter but Cameron leaves me shaking my head, he was the Prime Minister and should have remained neutral rather than constantly scaremongering and frightening the voter to death. That's what dictators do.
Obviously things will be rocky for a while but the currency markets will stabilise and in the long run the exit of Europe will prove to be a wise decision. The Gravy Train as come to a shuddering Halt and the British Public have applied the brake. Somebody had to do it.
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Elephant in the room on 07:29 - Jun 24 with 6203 views
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