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Palestine 14:20 - Jul 11 with 47934 viewsoh_tommy_tommy


When are Israel going to stop bombing the f@k out of Palestine murdering innocent children .

No condemnation from our government .

It must be to do with the multi millions of pounds given to the government for weapons by the dreadful zionists in charge of their state .

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Palestine on 10:11 - Jul 24 with 1268 viewsperchrockjack

By the same token a people so ravaged by racism and deathcamps would be the last to put up with relentless attacks . The world did nothing of consequence to stop the victimising and the exclusion of Jews from German life and othyer countries too. THIS COUNTRY KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND DID NOTHING.

A few facts need to be adduced to balance this tirade .

Simple.. STOP THE ROCKETS...LEAVE ISRAEL ALONe...Israel can then fook off if they carry on abusing palastians..

Where do HAMAS get these rockets from

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Palestine on 10:34 - Jul 24 with 1257 viewsLohengrin

Why should this little chap be terrorised because of events that occurred in central Europe some seventy years ago, Perch? I've had a good, long look at that photo and, to be perfectly honest, it makes me sick. I feel almost ashamed to be a citizen of a supposedly civilized nation that stands idly by and permits such obscenity to go unchallenged.

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Palestine on 10:46 - Jul 24 with 1243 viewsperchrockjack

Its basically war.

All war is painful, few are good wars.

Im sure the other side could adduce evidence of such.
Its well know Hamas use kids and women as human shields.

The death camps of Auchwitz,Belsen and Daccau would have seen some pretty sickening photos to post on internet.

Its why the Israelis are so obsessed and I cant blame them ,sorry. I aint saying what they are doing is right. It isn't but I can understand them wanting to defend themselves and as I say........Who is supplying HAMaS and why wont it accept ceasefire terms brokered by Egypt-hardly ISRAEL S friend.
Anyway, Im off out

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Palestine on 10:54 - Jul 24 with 1240 viewsLohengrin

Palestine on 10:46 - Jul 24 by perchrockjack

Its basically war.

All war is painful, few are good wars.

Im sure the other side could adduce evidence of such.
Its well know Hamas use kids and women as human shields.

The death camps of Auchwitz,Belsen and Daccau would have seen some pretty sickening photos to post on internet.

Its why the Israelis are so obsessed and I cant blame them ,sorry. I aint saying what they are doing is right. It isn't but I can understand them wanting to defend themselves and as I say........Who is supplying HAMaS and why wont it accept ceasefire terms brokered by Egypt-hardly ISRAEL S friend.
Anyway, Im off out


It's not war it's murder, plain and simple.

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Palestine on 10:58 - Jul 24 with 1237 viewsperchrockjack

People are always victims of war..

And as I say-who supplies hamas. Its the way to stop this carnage but they will not stop it.

Seems to me HAMAS aren't as upset as many in this island as the solution is obvious, if just temporary.

As I say, ISRAEL always has always will take pre-emptive action to stop its own people being blown to bits-that includes Israeli kids too although it would seem they are fair game..

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Palestine on 11:07 - Jul 24 with 1233 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

The oppressed will never rest until justice is served .

For details refer ......

history of the world

& closer to home Eire & Northern Ireland .

What Israel are doing is nothing but down right murder .

Sniper bullets killing people looking for their family in bombed rubble

Down right Barbaric .

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Palestine on 11:16 - Jul 24 with 1229 viewsperchrockjack

and the unanswered questions about HAMAS remain unanwered

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Palestine on 11:19 - Jul 24 with 1227 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Palestine on 11:16 - Jul 24 by perchrockjack

and the unanswered questions about HAMAS remain unanwered


Hamas are terrorists in my book

Freedom fighters in another mans book

Israel are killing innocent children looking for them .

FUC KING dreadful stuff .

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Palestine on 11:22 - Jul 24 with 1225 viewsLohengrin

Palestine on 11:16 - Jul 24 by perchrockjack

and the unanswered questions about HAMAS remain unanwered


What would you have them do, Perch? If Britain was invaded would our people just roll over or would we fight back?

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Palestine on 11:23 - Jul 24 with 1224 viewsBatterseajack

Palestine on 10:46 - Jul 24 by perchrockjack

Its basically war.

All war is painful, few are good wars.

Im sure the other side could adduce evidence of such.
Its well know Hamas use kids and women as human shields.

The death camps of Auchwitz,Belsen and Daccau would have seen some pretty sickening photos to post on internet.

Its why the Israelis are so obsessed and I cant blame them ,sorry. I aint saying what they are doing is right. It isn't but I can understand them wanting to defend themselves and as I say........Who is supplying HAMaS and why wont it accept ceasefire terms brokered by Egypt-hardly ISRAEL S friend.
Anyway, Im off out


Hamas or any other Palestinians for that matter are NOT consulted when drafting the terms of a ceasefire.

*EDIT* missed out an important word in the above sentence [not]
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Palestine on 11:26 - Jul 24 with 1201 viewsMillJack

Palestine on 10:58 - Jul 24 by perchrockjack

People are always victims of war..

And as I say-who supplies hamas. Its the way to stop this carnage but they will not stop it.

Seems to me HAMAS aren't as upset as many in this island as the solution is obvious, if just temporary.

As I say, ISRAEL always has always will take pre-emptive action to stop its own people being blown to bits-that includes Israeli kids too although it would seem they are fair game..


You're babbling bullshit now Perch. Hamas are hardly an innocent party in this, nobody has said otherwise. However, the innocent party are the Palestinian children who are being caught up in the middle of all of this massacre at the hands of Israel. Let's be honest, that's exactly what it is.

Do you honestly feel that Israel are using "reasonable force" in relation to the alleged rocket attacks from Gaza?
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Palestine on 11:57 - Jul 24 with 1185 viewsDarran

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703713/Maccabi-Haifa-s-friendly-Lille-s

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Palestine on 12:07 - Jul 24 with 1171 viewsBatterseajack

What annoys me about that article is the assertion that opposing Israel's oppression of the people of Palestine and its systematic use of collective punishment on a civilian population somehow equates to being anti-Semitic.
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Palestine on 12:22 - Jul 24 with 1161 viewsJackFish

Palestine on 10:11 - Jul 24 by perchrockjack

By the same token a people so ravaged by racism and deathcamps would be the last to put up with relentless attacks . The world did nothing of consequence to stop the victimising and the exclusion of Jews from German life and othyer countries too. THIS COUNTRY KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND DID NOTHING.

A few facts need to be adduced to balance this tirade .

Simple.. STOP THE ROCKETS...LEAVE ISRAEL ALONe...Israel can then fook off if they carry on abusing palastians..

Where do HAMAS get these rockets from


Like in the West Bank you mean? Where despite it being demilitarised Israel still occupies the land, treats the Palestinians as second class citizens and continues to build settlements on Palestinian land?

Perhaps if Israel stopped that the people of Gaza wouldn't feel like they have to fight back.

Until Israel stops building settlements in the West Bank, and comes to the negotiating table as an equal and no an oppressor, Hamas, or a similar militant organisation are going to exist.
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Palestine on 12:41 - Jul 24 with 1151 viewsepaul

http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/07/jeremy-bowens-gaza-notebook-i-

Jeremy Bowen's Gaza notebook: I saw no evidence of Hamas using Palestinians as human shields
The BBC's Middle East editor reports from Gaza.


BY JEREMY BOWEN PUBLISHED 22 JULY, 2014 - 16:59

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A Palestinian woman in the Gaza Strip on 24 July 2014. Photo: Getty
A Palestinian woman in the Gaza Strip on 24 July 2014. Photo: Getty
Trouble has been brewing between Israel and Hamas for months. The signs were there before the Israeli and Palestinian teenagers were kidnapped and murdered, and before Israel’s crackdown on Hamas in the West Bank. It’s all horribly familiar. Missiles, rockets and threats, and another Israeli prime minister saying that this time military action would make his people safer.

History shows that military action merely deepens the conflict. Only a proper peace deal will make Palestinians and Israelis safer. There is no chance of one right now, which means more small wars, which will eventually become much bigger ones.



Palestinians who live in Gaza often call it the world’s biggest prison. They mean that about 1.8 million people live in a small strip of land, and most of them are not allowed out by Israel and Egypt, which control the border crossings. In Gaza, the human spirit is strong and it can be a surprisingly cheerful prison, but not now, of course.

The main route into Gaza for a journalist is through the Erez checkpoint from Israel. Erez looks a shiny airport terminal, empty and echoing except for the security guards with automatic weapons, and bored young women in the glass passport booths checking their mobiles. To cross, you need a foreign passport and an Israeli press card.

After a series of corridors and steel turnstiles is a concrete wall with a steel door. It slides open, controlled by a distant Israeli at the other end of the CCTV, and Gaza is on the other side. Next comes a kilometre-long wired-in walkway. If you’re lucky, a few Palestinians granted permission by Israel to approach the gate will be waiting. They run a shuttle service that links up with taxis that take you to the Hamas checkpoint. Israel destroyed their small terminal when the current war started. Now they’re back to noting down passport numbers in a ledger on a table under the shade of a tree.

It wasn’t always like that. When I started visiting Gaza in 1991, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians crossed Erez every day to get to work. Paul Adams, my BBC colleague, told me that when he first went to Gaza, teaching on a gap year in 1980, he took a party of Palestinian children on a public bus from the West Bank for a day at the seaside.

Now, anyone who could negotiate a public bus service from the West Bank to Gaza would at the very least get a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize. The diplomat who found a way to stop the killing on Gaza’s beaches and streets would deserve much more than that.



I saw Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, giving an interview to the BBC after Israel had killed more than 60 people in the Gaza district of Shejaiya. He said he regretted the civilian casualties in Gaza but they were the fault of Hamas. Netanyahu said Israel had warned people to get out. Some had taken the advice; others had been prevented from leaving by Hamas.

I was back in London for my son’s 11th birthday party by the time all those people were killed in Shejaiya. But my impression of Hamas is different from Netanyahu’s. I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel’s accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields. I saw men from Hamas on street corners, keeping an eye on what was happening. They were local people and everyone knew them, even the young boys. Raji Sourani, the director of the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights in Gaza, told me that Hamas, whatever you think of it, is part of the Palestinian DNA.

I met Sourani first when he was condemning abuses by Yasser Arafat’s men. He has taken an equally tough stance on Hamas. Now he says Israel is violating the laws of war by ignoring its legal duty to treat Palestinian civilians as protected non-combatants.



Hamas, human rights groups say, also violates the laws of war by firing missiles at civilians. I used to be very cynical about international humanitarian law. When I heard, some time around the end of the Bosnian war in 1995, that the UN was setting up a tribunal to prosecute war criminals in the former Yugoslavia I thought it was a bad joke. I feel differently now, especially after testifying four times at the tribunal. I don’t think anything similar is coming for the Israelis and Palestinians. But the laws of war are the best way we have to measure the degrees of horror that human beings inflict on each other.



When I left Gaza, Palestinian rockets were landing uncomfortably close to Erez crossing. When the alert sounded, our Israeli driver leapt out, leaving the engine running, and took cover behind a wall. It is very frightening to be caught up in a rocket attack like that. Israeli civilians have been protected by the Iron Dome anti-missile system, by a big investment in civil defence (in the border town of Sderot, even the bus stops double as bomb shelters) and because their people are trained from childhood about how to take cover.

But it is wrong to suggest that Israeli civilians near Gaza suffer as much as Palestinians. It is much, much worse in Gaza. I defy anyone with an ounce of human feeling not to feel the same after ten minutes in Gaza’s Shifa Hospital with wounded and dying civilians. In the mortuary, it’s so overcrowded that the bodies of two children are crammed on to a single shelf. One day, they had only found enough of the remains of six women and children to fill a single stretcher.

Before Gaza, I’d spent most of the past two months in Baghdad, Beirut, Jerusalem, Aleppo and Damascus. The Middle East is on fire. I haven’t seen anything like it since my first reporting trip to the region in 1990. I don’t think anyone knows how to put the fire out.

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Palestine on 13:03 - Jul 24 with 1141 viewsLord_Bony

A lot of sense of whats really happening there from a well respected journalist.

Totally disproportionate wholesale slaughter of women and children.
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Palestine on 14:46 - Jul 24 with 1107 viewsperchrockjack

Anyone care to answer the question I posed re Hamas.

Again...Israel is overreacting as usual Hamas is doing what it's always done,ie blow Israel from the map..


In my book Hamas starts..Israel finishes...both to blame. Israel proved a point and shoul now relent and see it's stopping shelling does.


For sure

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Palestine on 14:52 - Jul 24 with 1104 viewsMillJack

Palestine on 14:46 - Jul 24 by perchrockjack

Anyone care to answer the question I posed re Hamas.

Again...Israel is overreacting as usual Hamas is doing what it's always done,ie blow Israel from the map..


In my book Hamas starts..Israel finishes...both to blame. Israel proved a point and shoul now relent and see it's stopping shelling does.


For sure


You seem to be ignoring the fact that Hamas simply doesn't have the capability to "blow Israel from the map". It's a massacre Perch, whichever way you dress it up.
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Palestine on 15:01 - Jul 24 with 1099 viewsLord_Bony

Palestine on 14:46 - Jul 24 by perchrockjack

Anyone care to answer the question I posed re Hamas.

Again...Israel is overreacting as usual Hamas is doing what it's always done,ie blow Israel from the map..


In my book Hamas starts..Israel finishes...both to blame. Israel proved a point and shoul now relent and see it's stopping shelling does.


For sure


Well they ve certainly proven their point.

Can they stop the slaughter now and leave please?

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Palestine on 15:17 - Jul 24 with 1096 viewsAquinas

Palestine on 12:37 - Jul 21 by perchrockjack

ahem. The Americans don't exactly have a good record for carving countries up,almost as bad as the Brits.
Nope, ISRAEL to read this board is THE problem. Imaginer a middle east without Israel and the Jews. Nirvana?


No, you'd still have islamic extremists attacking the west.
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Palestine on 15:40 - Jul 24 with 1079 viewsJackFish

Palestine on 14:46 - Jul 24 by perchrockjack

Anyone care to answer the question I posed re Hamas.

Again...Israel is overreacting as usual Hamas is doing what it's always done,ie blow Israel from the map..


In my book Hamas starts..Israel finishes...both to blame. Israel proved a point and shoul now relent and see it's stopping shelling does.


For sure


What do you suggest the Palestinians do then? Accept everything that Israel suggests they do, continue to live under siege or with their land being gradually stolen?
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Palestine on 16:54 - Jul 24 with 1062 viewsDavillin

Palestine on 11:22 - Jul 24 by Lohengrin

What would you have them do, Perch? If Britain was invaded would our people just roll over or would we fight back?


Holy Sh!t! Here's me debating Lohengrin, whom I respect to the end.

Israel is being "bombed" by rockets, including cities. During WW2, Britain was bombed by NAZI airplanes [later by rockets] -- including cities [and not invaded]. Equivalence? Britain's response, particularly to the bombing of London? [Be careful with your response.]

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Palestine on 16:58 - Jul 24 with 1060 viewsDavillin

Palestine on 14:52 - Jul 24 by MillJack

You seem to be ignoring the fact that Hamas simply doesn't have the capability to "blow Israel from the map". It's a massacre Perch, whichever way you dress it up.


There is a credible theory that Hamas is hoping to incite other Muslim countries [or non-national groups] to join in and accomplish what they cannot do [at the moment, or at least until some rogue state with nuclear weapons gives them one or two].

True? I don't know. Possible? Yes.

It is my suspicion that that might be the reason the other Muslim nations are not joining in. As much as some hate to admit it, nuclear deterrence works, and Israel certainly has a sizable deterrent and the means to deliver.

The only sane resolution is a permanent peace and some kind of minimal working co-existece. Of course, that assumes that some other group does not replace Hamas. ISIS? They are the logical [terribly inappropriate word to describe ISIS] successors. Then look out.
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Palestine on 17:22 - Jul 24 with 1053 viewsLohengrin

Palestine on 16:54 - Jul 24 by Davillin

Holy Sh!t! Here's me debating Lohengrin, whom I respect to the end.

Israel is being "bombed" by rockets, including cities. During WW2, Britain was bombed by NAZI airplanes [later by rockets] -- including cities [and not invaded]. Equivalence? Britain's response, particularly to the bombing of London? [Be careful with your response.]


It's difficult to make any direct comparison with 1940, Dav, as regards Britain and Germany a better analogy would be The Winter War. The parallel between the Finns and Palestinians is that in both instances the natives are fighting a desperate battle in defence of their respective homelands in the face of ruthless Russian aggression.

Had I been a member of my grandparent's generation I feel certain my sense of fair play would have seen me call for The Finns to have been supplied with the wherewithal to mount a credible defence of their family and home. Consistency should see me call for the Palestinians to be given the same fighting chance. The scenes we are witnessing now are an affront to common decency.

I concede that others hold very differing opinions and that's their prerogative. I count us lucky to live somewhere that free expression isn't met with an artillery salvo.

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Palestine on 18:00 - Jul 24 with 1038 viewsLohengrin

Just to underscore the horror the Israelis in the last hour have shelled a UN-run school killing 15 and wounding 200. This is the fourth time in the last week or so that UN facilities have been targetted. They've gone loco, there's no sating their blood lust.


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