| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 18:45 - Jul 22 with 2141 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Rumoured to be £8m. Excellent business when you consider Tottenham were confident of getting Ben for £8m. |  |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 18:53 - Jul 22 with 2076 views | JackSomething |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 18:45 - Jul 22 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Rumoured to be £8m. Excellent business when you consider Tottenham were confident of getting Ben for £8m. |
So getting their money back (minus exorbitant wages of course) on an England international is a better deal than £8m or so profit on Davies?
Must do better Dwight. |  |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 18:57 - Jul 22 with 2050 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 18:53 - Jul 22 by JackSomething |
So getting their money back (minus exorbitant wages of course) on an England international is a better deal than £8m or so profit on Davies?
Must do better Dwight. |
Ben has much more promise than Potential than Steven. He was deemed not good enough by Spurs and captained Cardiff in the heart of their notoriously woeful defence while leading them back to the second division of English football. His career is on a low point and he now has to work his way back up. | |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 19:29 - Jul 22 with 1933 views | JackSomething |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 18:57 - Jul 22 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Ben has much more promise than Potential than Steven. He was deemed not good enough by Spurs and captained Cardiff in the heart of their notoriously woeful defence while leading them back to the second division of English football. His career is on a low point and he now has to work his way back up. |
English internationals are in general valued a lot higher than Welsh ones.
If you look at pundits predicting future England squads for tournaments, he's in most of them.
They put a very low release clause in his contract, probably because they had no chance of signing him if they didn't.
You can debate if it they got a good deal or not, but comparing it favourably to Ben is nonsense. You've upped your game recently, but this is too obvious. | |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 19:40 - Jul 22 with 1860 views | blaine_scfc |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 18:57 - Jul 22 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Ben has much more promise than Potential than Steven. He was deemed not good enough by Spurs and captained Cardiff in the heart of their notoriously woeful defence while leading them back to the second division of English football. His career is on a low point and he now has to work his way back up. |
Much more promise and potential that Caulker? You were slagging him off last year, when they leave their quality, when they are with us, they are sh*t. |  | | |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 19:42 - Jul 22 with 1841 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 19:40 - Jul 22 by blaine_scfc |
Much more promise and potential that Caulker? You were slagging him off last year, when they leave their quality, when they are with us, they are sh*t. |
He was very poor yes, but I believe that was because he was being greatly over used. There comes a time when most players need to be dropped for their own good. Ben needed to be dropped but neither Laudrup or Garry would do it. | |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 04:42 - Jul 23 with 1390 views | Catullus |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 19:29 - Jul 22 by JackSomething |
English internationals are in general valued a lot higher than Welsh ones.
If you look at pundits predicting future England squads for tournaments, he's in most of them.
They put a very low release clause in his contract, probably because they had no chance of signing him if they didn't.
You can debate if it they got a good deal or not, but comparing it favourably to Ben is nonsense. You've upped your game recently, but this is too obvious. |
Are you suggesting that without a low release clause, Caulker wouldn't have signed for Cardiff?
What do you think, Warwick? |  |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 06:49 - Jul 23 with 1332 views | Dr_Winston |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 19:29 - Jul 22 by JackSomething |
English internationals are in general valued a lot higher than Welsh ones.
If you look at pundits predicting future England squads for tournaments, he's in most of them.
They put a very low release clause in his contract, probably because they had no chance of signing him if they didn't.
You can debate if it they got a good deal or not, but comparing it favourably to Ben is nonsense. You've upped your game recently, but this is too obvious. |
Sorry, but DYSS ain't far wrong.
When selling a talented young defender (both of whom count as home grown) a skint Championship side managed to get a deal just as good as a cash rich Premier League side. We had a chance to lay down a marker. To show other clubs that we weren't to be exploited when it came to selling our best players. We failed.
Davies should have gone for Allen money, or not gone at all.
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 07:23 - Jul 23 with 1287 views | hobo |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 19:29 - Jul 22 by JackSomething |
English internationals are in general valued a lot higher than Welsh ones.
If you look at pundits predicting future England squads for tournaments, he's in most of them.
They put a very low release clause in his contract, probably because they had no chance of signing him if they didn't.
You can debate if it they got a good deal or not, but comparing it favourably to Ben is nonsense. You've upped your game recently, but this is too obvious. |
He has 1 cap! |  | | |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 07:27 - Jul 23 with 1272 views | pencoedjack |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 19:42 - Jul 22 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
He was very poor yes, but I believe that was because he was being greatly over used. There comes a time when most players need to be dropped for their own good. Ben needed to be dropped but neither Laudrup or Garry would do it. |
Where as Caulker played every minute for the Bassey's
Your a fuking troll |  | | |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 08:00 - Jul 23 with 1208 views | AngelRangelQS |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 06:49 - Jul 23 by Dr_Winston |
Sorry, but DYSS ain't far wrong.
When selling a talented young defender (both of whom count as home grown) a skint Championship side managed to get a deal just as good as a cash rich Premier League side. We had a chance to lay down a marker. To show other clubs that we weren't to be exploited when it came to selling our best players. We failed.
Davies should have gone for Allen money, or not gone at all.
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So if Spurs had such an incredible deal on Ben, why weren't other sides falling over themselves?
Personally I think that Gylfi will contribute more to us over the course of the season and will make a bigger impact here than Ben at Spurs.
For the record, I'd have also swapped Ben for Caulker given a chance |  | | |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 08:09 - Jul 23 with 1181 views | NOTRAC |
Caulker played more game time than anyone else in the Premiership last sea son.
That in itself must be worth some Browny points. | |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 08:52 - Jul 23 with 1089 views | hammy |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 06:49 - Jul 23 by Dr_Winston |
Sorry, but DYSS ain't far wrong.
When selling a talented young defender (both of whom count as home grown) a skint Championship side managed to get a deal just as good as a cash rich Premier League side. We had a chance to lay down a marker. To show other clubs that we weren't to be exploited when it came to selling our best players. We failed.
Davies should have gone for Allen money, or not gone at all.
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I think you've also got to take into account the relative merits of the buying clubs. I would think that Spurs being a solid top 6 club would have a great attraction for a young player like Ben and they have more buying power (in that they can haggle the fee). QPR on the other hand had to pay over the odds for a player like Caulker given that there was stiff competition from Palace. I also wouldn't be surprised if there is a significant sell-on fee should Ben move on to a bigger club.
Ben is yet to fully prove himself and has given himself a great opportunity at a club that is unlikely to struggle, yet is weak in the left back position. Good opportunity and Swans have made a decent profit.
Caulker on the other hand is looking at the last chance saloon if QPR perform in a similar manner to their last visit to the PL. Where would he go next, with the stigma of another relegation to the Championship on his CV ?
I think this is less a case of how much the Swans have lost on the Ben deal, rather than how stupid QPR probably are in pinning their hopes on a centre back that was pretty woeful last year in a relegated team. Even Harry must be worried that an ageing Ferdinand is not going to be able to cover the flaws in Caulker's game. |  |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 08:55 - Jul 23 with 1084 views | JackSomething |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 07:23 - Jul 23 by hobo |
He has 1 cap! |
Luke Shaw has 3 caps and was sold for £30m
Phil Jones hadn't been capped and was sold for £16.5m
Your point? | |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 09:01 - Jul 23 with 1064 views | JackSomething |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 06:49 - Jul 23 by Dr_Winston |
Sorry, but DYSS ain't far wrong.
When selling a talented young defender (both of whom count as home grown) a skint Championship side managed to get a deal just as good as a cash rich Premier League side. We had a chance to lay down a marker. To show other clubs that we weren't to be exploited when it came to selling our best players. We failed.
Davies should have gone for Allen money, or not gone at all.
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The home grown factor may add a small amount of value, but nothing like the mark-up that English players get over any other nationality in the Prem.
While we would obviously have liked to have got more for Ben, surely £10-12m was the highest we could have hoped for? Allen was an amazing deal, but a bit of an anomaly, with Rodgers being desperate to take him with him to Anfield for some reason.
Cardiff have made zero profit on a player who is seen as a future England regular and played every game in the Prem last season (5 goals doesn't hurt either). We have made £8m profit on Ben from one point of view. From the other point of view, we've swapped him for another player worth at least £8m in a position of desperate need.
I don't think this deal is going to harm our reputation for being a tough side to buy from in the way you think it is. | |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 10:09 - Jul 23 with 961 views | Dr_Winston |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 08:00 - Jul 23 by AngelRangelQS |
So if Spurs had such an incredible deal on Ben, why weren't other sides falling over themselves?
Personally I think that Gylfi will contribute more to us over the course of the season and will make a bigger impact here than Ben at Spurs.
For the record, I'd have also swapped Ben for Caulker given a chance |
Two of last season's top five were in for him. Is that not enough?
You may be right about their respective impact. Sigurdsson is an excellent player and I expect him to do very well for us. It is also a big step up for Ben, one he may initially struggle to make.
Doesn't change the fact that other clubs have managed to strike far better deals for players that they want to keep than we have. | |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 10:33 - Jul 23 with 910 views | perchrockjack |
Ben has great potential but he may really be caught out at WHL if he doesn't hit the ground running. he ll be under pressure like he never imagined. | |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 10:57 - Jul 23 with 880 views | AngelRangelQS |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 10:09 - Jul 23 by Dr_Winston |
Two of last season's top five were in for him. Is that not enough?
You may be right about their respective impact. Sigurdsson is an excellent player and I expect him to do very well for us. It is also a big step up for Ben, one he may initially struggle to make.
Doesn't change the fact that other clubs have managed to strike far better deals for players that they want to keep than we have. |
I'm not denying there wasn't interest but if the price we have accepted is so ludicrously low then I would have expected more of a bidding war.
I also don't think that the distinction between a player a club wants to keep and a player it doesn't is massively big.
In any event, as much as we'd have liked to have kept Ben, I am sure that as soon as him leaving opened the door to gylfi returning, we were only too happy to see him go.
I honestly think this is a deal that both sides can be happy with. | | | |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 13:45 - Jul 23 with 717 views | Bonjour |
As soon as they offered him £50k a week his head was turned. That puts the buying club in a ridiculously powerful position of buying a want away player. From that point it would've been get what you can and move on.
He's a good prospect but no more - we know that Gylfi works for us - I think we've done well out of the deal. | | | |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 14:29 - Jul 23 with 657 views | ScoobyDoo |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 18:45 - Jul 22 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Rumoured to be £8m. Excellent business when you consider Tottenham were confident of getting Ben for £8m. |
Doesn't exactly say the terms on the deal Dwight, we know that there was a £8mill release clause and i would like to think that was the price, it was down to personal terms after that. I wish him well as he played every minute last season and i would certainly not blame him for our demise. Good luck to Ben Davies as well. | | | |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 14:35 - Jul 23 with 645 views | Sweyns_Eye |
Selling Caulker for £8 million is in no way 'excellent' business. |  |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 14:39 - Jul 23 with 639 views | MattG |
Personally, I think Cardiff have done OK to get £8m for Caulker seeing as he was at the heart of a pretty leaky defence all of last season.
Anyone else think the fact that it's a deal between two Malaysian businessmen might have had some bearing on the price? |  | | |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 14:42 - Jul 23 with 629 views | ScoobyDoo |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 14:35 - Jul 23 by Sweyns_Eye |
Selling Caulker for £8 million is in no way 'excellent' business. |
There was a release clause of £8 million, teams don't have to offer more, it's down to personal terms then. | | | |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 15:17 - Jul 23 with 584 views | Sweyns_Eye |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 14:42 - Jul 23 by ScoobyDoo |
There was a release clause of £8 million, teams don't have to offer more, it's down to personal terms then. |
Hi Scooby,
I agree with you. Plus add in Caulker's probable desire to play at the highest level he can and not kick around in a lower division which wouldn't do much for his international level aspirations.
For Cardiff, getting a high wage earner off the books and free up some money for the transfer kitty is pragmatic business assuming Tan adds it to the pot. But its not excellent business as Dwight makes out. | |
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| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 16:34 - Jul 23 with 503 views | ScoobyDoo |
| Meanwhile in the crapital of Wales... on 15:17 - Jul 23 by Sweyns_Eye |
Hi Scooby,
I agree with you. Plus add in Caulker's probable desire to play at the highest level he can and not kick around in a lower division which wouldn't do much for his international level aspirations.
For Cardiff, getting a high wage earner off the books and free up some money for the transfer kitty is pragmatic business assuming Tan adds it to the pot. But its not excellent business as Dwight makes out. |
Never agree with these get out clauses Sweyn, either pay what their worth or not. Maybe it's a good deal if we have had £ 8 Million although the details have not been revealed i wish him well though. To think we let Ramsey go for a pittance is criminal but i suppose we were desperate in them days. | | | |
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