| £15 for our home friendly 13:09 - Jul 23 with 23820 views | _ |
Why can't the club just once, just ONCE, turn round to the supporter and offer them a real gesture of good will and thank us for our loyal support.
£15 for a kick about in the sun...
And I don't care if every other club in England is doing it. It would be nice if our club had a different mentality when it came to its supporters.
Have they forgotten how many times they have messed up in the past - The Euro games for example.
They must be due another dividend soon i'd imagine.
Pathetic, Swansea City, pathetic. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 11:34 - Jul 25 with 693 views | Swanjaxs |
15 quid for this game too much??? Most on here would happily piss that amount of beer against a wall in a single hour on a Saturday night out!!! I'm going and happy to pay the coin!! |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 11:50 - Jul 25 with 659 views | londonlisa2001 |
| £15 for our home friendly on 10:54 - Jul 25 by perchrockjack |
1.YES small minded at the time. League 2 or not it was and originally it was 25k but 20k was deemed to be sufficient. Of course that was Council decision.
2. We rely on gate money more than most because we don't have backers sky notwithstanding.
3.Of course its the feckn council Im pissed off about plus ca chance meme change innit.
Talking about poor areas the County where I live has some "deprivation" as regular poison- posters remind us but football and their team is a priority ina way that it is not for too many in Swansea, which is my point. It must be a cash generator for the city, it is high profile stuff we r e about but we have a pitiful range of hotels for visItors and precious little of any cultural significance. We need as a city to take steps to ensure the place has something of interest to spend time in ,and its no good pointing out GOWER as Three Cliffs or even Rotherslade ina the middle of January is not a good place particularly.
As a club we have massive potential but we have to be pro active to expand as we must.
What would I do as a gesture to help our poor fans in a deprived area, well free/subsidised transport for all home games for people outside 15 MILES of Swansea. |
On the first point - that's just not true. The council wanted to build it at 25,000 seats but could only get the available grants at a maximum capacity of 20,000 seats. Any bigger was just point blank refused.
In the end the decision was either to build at 20,000 seats or to not have a stadium because there just wasn't the money available to build the stadium without the grants.
Similarly, there was not enough money to build it with inbuilt extension made easy. Don't forget that there was no private money at all available - no 'Tan' like backer putting any money in. There wasn't even any other company prepared to put money in to name the stadium other than Liberty (oh and another lot who ended up as Cardiff's shirt sponsors briefly who made an offer but couldn't prove that they actually had any cash). Again - although this seemed like small money, it was needed for the internal fit out to be completed. |  | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 11:51 - Jul 25 with 659 views | Jackhero |
| £15 for our home friendly on 11:34 - Jul 25 by Swanjaxs |
15 quid for this game too much??? Most on here would happily piss that amount of beer against a wall in a single hour on a Saturday night out!!! I'm going and happy to pay the coin!! |
There's nice for you. Missed the point though I think.....go back and read the other 18 pages. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 11:54 - Jul 25 with 652 views | Swanjaxs |
| £15 for our home friendly on 11:51 - Jul 25 by Jackhero |
There's nice for you. Missed the point though I think.....go back and read the other 18 pages. |
No need to go through the full 18 pages mate, how about you read the thread topic???? That's what my post was responding to! [Post edited 25 Jul 2014 11:58]
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| £15 for our home friendly on 12:04 - Jul 25 with 632 views | Uxbridge |
| £15 for our home friendly on 11:50 - Jul 25 by londonlisa2001 |
On the first point - that's just not true. The council wanted to build it at 25,000 seats but could only get the available grants at a maximum capacity of 20,000 seats. Any bigger was just point blank refused.
In the end the decision was either to build at 20,000 seats or to not have a stadium because there just wasn't the money available to build the stadium without the grants.
Similarly, there was not enough money to build it with inbuilt extension made easy. Don't forget that there was no private money at all available - no 'Tan' like backer putting any money in. There wasn't even any other company prepared to put money in to name the stadium other than Liberty (oh and another lot who ended up as Cardiff's shirt sponsors briefly who made an offer but couldn't prove that they actually had any cash). Again - although this seemed like small money, it was needed for the internal fit out to be completed. |
Not quite as black and white for me. To plan so poorly for future extension is pretty shambolic. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 12:07 - Jul 25 with 629 views | _ |
| £15 for our home friendly on 10:23 - Jul 25 by MoscowJack |
Chris, are you joking when you ask who he is? I'm not being sarcastic.
I believe it's like this because we were a club that was transforming quickly.
Our rise from bottom to top was so fast. There's a story about the Premier League officials visiting the club just after we'd been promoted to explain everything they need to do to comply with PL rules (digital perimeter advertising, media areas, etc). The club had around 20 people in the meeting. One of the PL people said something like "wow, this is an impressively sized marketing team" but they didn't realise that that was the WHOLE of the back-office and support team!
As we've grown so quickly and as the money was so tight (with every penny going on the first team), many people multi-tasked. They wore many hats and did many jobs to the very best of their abilities.
Once we got to a size and had revenue to justify specialised roles, the Club appointed who they thought best from within, which I understand. I think that, in an ideal world, the Club would have interviewed externally and compared the pros and cons, but I am definitely not against the club thinking "you were here when we needed you, so you get the chance to do a good job". It's yours to lose, sort of thing.
The ability to deliver SUCCESSFULLY is the key. Small cock-ups happen at every level at every company. From Proctor & Gamble to ManUtd and Real Madrid. That's life.
What bugs me is that we're getting the same mistakes, same lack of creativity, same ignorance and growing lack of respect for the fans.
What worries me the most though is that the decisions that are made without the real understanding of the real situation amongst most Swansea City fans. Swansea and the surrounding areas are relatively poor and I would hate to see The Swans as being a team that only the richer can afford. Making the fans renew season tickets at Christmas time (or lose their ticket) is scandalous. There are so many examples and the recent article claiming success of the "3 for the price of 3" bundle bungle makes my blood boil. You ask the guy on the street, with a wife and 2 kids, if he can afford to pay FULLY for three games IN ADVANCE with a good chance one of the games will be changed for the TV. It's wrong, Chris, and makes me wonder whether the wages and dividends going into some people's banks are distancing themselves from reality.
I know for a fact (as any who reads Phil's postings here will too) that the Trust was against the Bungled Bundle, but (as exiledclase said) the Trust needs fans to know this. We also need to understand what the Trust can do to stop this in the future, or what we as fans can do to help the Trust.
The sad thing is that someone who's tight for money won't stand up and scream that he's too poor to afford it because pride gets in the way.
Once we've got 5k or more new seats, it hopefully won't be an issue, but who knows which division we will be in then?
The basics need to be done right and, in my opinion, the Trust need to be consulted more by the Club as the Trust haven't lost that important understanding of what the fans need.
Sorry for the rant but I do feel passionate about this. |
Oh haha right...
Well I'm glad I gave Teabag a giggle.
I totally agree with every word you say Nick. You know what it's like though, the Swans are there for us all to watch and once a week during the season that's all we think about. It's only so often that "issues" get in the way and not all will affect everyone. In fact and being perfectly honest, the "bungled bundle" issue went largely over my head, mostly due to the fact I already have a season ticket and so do my mates. Thinking about it, you're right, it is a disgrace and again, it seems like an opportunity to grab a big bundle (excuse the pun) of cash up front and as soon as possible.
What actual thought went into the idea and what challenges were made I guess was all discussed behind closed doors - that's the first thing that should change in my opinion and something the masses via the Trust should be banging the drum about.
Ticketing in general is something the club has never been able to come to grips with. Talking of issues that sometimes go over one's head, there's obviously been plenty that haven't and I have taken things up on quite a few occasions with our "Commercial Director" (That's his ticket for the £100k is it!?) It's fair to say our Leigh comes across as fairly arrogant and it's always a put up and shut up from him as opposed to appearing to understand the issue or showing empathy. It also comes across fairly evident on this thread alone never mind others that he's not exactly ingratiating himself to the fans he's supposed to be serving - notwithstanding how he was allowed to buy shares at x pence when they were perhaps priced at x+plus more, but that's another story.
He was instrumental back in the day and along with others without his energy and passion back then we probably wouldn't be where we are now, so credit where credit is due. He, unlike Huw Jenkins, must also be juggling his duties at the club with his own vending business. For £100k plus dividends and flash cars I'd think I'd want a true professional in that role however. Someone capable of learning from mistakes, someone who's prepared to listen to supporters and someone that can genuinely lift our off-the-field fiasco into the 21st Century.
Accountability though? Who to? To his best mates - Swansea Crony Football Club.
Thinking back to that bundle offer - they even suggested that if it was a success they'd be implementing it for future games also.... be interesting to see if they actually give a fack anymore. | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 12:08 - Jul 25 with 628 views | _ |
| £15 for our home friendly on 11:54 - Jul 25 by Swanjaxs |
No need to go through the full 18 pages mate, how about you read the thread topic???? That's what my post was responding to! [Post edited 25 Jul 2014 11:58]
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Still missed the point... miss, miss, MISS!! | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 12:12 - Jul 25 with 617 views | MattG |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:04 - Jul 25 by Uxbridge |
Not quite as black and white for me. To plan so poorly for future extension is pretty shambolic. |
Whose responsibility was it to plan for (or even consider) such expansion at that time, though?
If the Council was paying for the Stadium then they were restricted by the finances / grants available. Could the Club have stumped up the extra cash to facilitate either a larger capacity or easier expansion? Doubtful. |  | | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 12:26 - Jul 25 with 584 views | 3swan |
| £15 for our home friendly on 09:50 - Jul 25 by perchrockjack |
Clive, you are correct no doubt and that fact alone restricts us and one of the reasons we must sustain our progress by generating revenue.
It depends how hungry the people of west wales are .lets face it, Swansea City FCC is without doubt the biggest feature the only real thing that places Swansea on the map.without it, backwater ain't the word.
We ve seen and are seeing massive investment and increased price in Cardiff while Swansea is simply left to its own devices.swansea City football club for the city,whether people like it or not is massive and we should all accept that fact and build on it.
A money man/ men could /would have a new ground built and in the future it could happen |
I'll agree that the football club is a big plus point for the area and the spin offs must be built on.
I do read that the hotels are making business from a number of the home games, so that is a start.
The difficulty is what else can be done?
Whilst I question many things of the club it's down to the council to use the clubs publicity to try and get investment into the area.
At no point imo can I see money men coming into the area and spending £50m?? on a new stadium unless they were in it for the long haul, due to the time they would make any return | | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:27 - Jul 25 with 581 views | Swanjaxs |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:08 - Jul 25 by _ |
Still missed the point... miss, miss, MISS!! |
Chill out mate no need to SHOUT!! What part of £15 for our home friendly am I misinterpreting??? FYI I did start reading this thread but got bored of all the backbiting by about page 3  | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 12:29 - Jul 25 with 577 views | 3swan |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:12 - Jul 25 by MattG |
Whose responsibility was it to plan for (or even consider) such expansion at that time, though?
If the Council was paying for the Stadium then they were restricted by the finances / grants available. Could the Club have stumped up the extra cash to facilitate either a larger capacity or easier expansion? Doubtful. |
From the long term developments that I read of, and the end result so far, it does seem as the council only see the here and now.
From memory the attitude was that we should have been happy with just having a new ground. | | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:33 - Jul 25 with 567 views | londonlisa2001 |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:04 - Jul 25 by Uxbridge |
Not quite as black and white for me. To plan so poorly for future extension is pretty shambolic. |
it wasn't that they didn't plan for it. To allow for future expansion the ground would have had to be built differently (foundations etc I assume - I'm no engineer) and they just didn't have the money available to do it. To build it in the way it was built was cheaper (compared to having a much bigger infrastructure in place to allow for easy expansion). They just couldn't afford it in any other way. | | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:42 - Jul 25 with 548 views | Devz00 |
CBA to read 19 pages but I paid £10 for Reading away next saturday so I don't think it's that bad paying £15 for Villarreal. The main gripe, for me, is the ridiculous booking fee per ticket. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 12:49 - Jul 25 with 527 views | outtolunch |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:07 - Jul 25 by _ |
Oh haha right...
Well I'm glad I gave Teabag a giggle.
I totally agree with every word you say Nick. You know what it's like though, the Swans are there for us all to watch and once a week during the season that's all we think about. It's only so often that "issues" get in the way and not all will affect everyone. In fact and being perfectly honest, the "bungled bundle" issue went largely over my head, mostly due to the fact I already have a season ticket and so do my mates. Thinking about it, you're right, it is a disgrace and again, it seems like an opportunity to grab a big bundle (excuse the pun) of cash up front and as soon as possible.
What actual thought went into the idea and what challenges were made I guess was all discussed behind closed doors - that's the first thing that should change in my opinion and something the masses via the Trust should be banging the drum about.
Ticketing in general is something the club has never been able to come to grips with. Talking of issues that sometimes go over one's head, there's obviously been plenty that haven't and I have taken things up on quite a few occasions with our "Commercial Director" (That's his ticket for the £100k is it!?) It's fair to say our Leigh comes across as fairly arrogant and it's always a put up and shut up from him as opposed to appearing to understand the issue or showing empathy. It also comes across fairly evident on this thread alone never mind others that he's not exactly ingratiating himself to the fans he's supposed to be serving - notwithstanding how he was allowed to buy shares at x pence when they were perhaps priced at x+plus more, but that's another story.
He was instrumental back in the day and along with others without his energy and passion back then we probably wouldn't be where we are now, so credit where credit is due. He, unlike Huw Jenkins, must also be juggling his duties at the club with his own vending business. For £100k plus dividends and flash cars I'd think I'd want a true professional in that role however. Someone capable of learning from mistakes, someone who's prepared to listen to supporters and someone that can genuinely lift our off-the-field fiasco into the 21st Century.
Accountability though? Who to? To his best mates - Swansea Crony Football Club.
Thinking back to that bundle offer - they even suggested that if it was a success they'd be implementing it for future games also.... be interesting to see if they actually give a fack anymore. |
If it isn't attacking Jenkins then it is one of the others. What is it with you Chris ?.
I think you will find judging by his twitter account that it isn't a case of ' put up or shut up '. If you follow him on there a lot of time is spent helping people with issues. Issues of his own making sometimes perhaps :-/ !!!
Arrogant he is certainly not. You obviously do not know him at all
The bundles is a strange one . I can't fathom that one out. On that we agree. | | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:49 - Jul 25 with 526 views | Swanjaxs |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:42 - Jul 25 by Devz00 |
CBA to read 19 pages but I paid £10 for Reading away next saturday so I don't think it's that bad paying £15 for Villarreal. The main gripe, for me, is the ridiculous booking fee per ticket. |
Watch out mate, your obviously missing the point too!!  | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 12:51 - Jul 25 with 524 views | outtolunch |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:33 - Jul 25 by londonlisa2001 |
it wasn't that they didn't plan for it. To allow for future expansion the ground would have had to be built differently (foundations etc I assume - I'm no engineer) and they just didn't have the money available to do it. To build it in the way it was built was cheaper (compared to having a much bigger infrastructure in place to allow for easy expansion). They just couldn't afford it in any other way. |
Didnt the club put money towards the build in the form of grants though ? Wouldn't they have had a say in the build if they had ? | | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:55 - Jul 25 with 508 views | perchrockjack |
HEY CHRISSY.
Back after an all too brief sojourn and straightaway at it. Why don't you just crawl away back into the own bowels and give us all a break.
You aint funny, witty,original or wise just sadness itself
You aint impressing anyone either after being ripped to Pieces by DAV | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 12:55 - Jul 25 with 507 views | MattG |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:51 - Jul 25 by outtolunch |
Didnt the club put money towards the build in the form of grants though ? Wouldn't they have had a say in the build if they had ? |
Assuming you are saying that the Club applied for grant monies which were then added to the pot, I would say that grant funding virtually always comes with a multitude of conditions and strings attached - it's rare that money is handed over for organisations to do whatever they want with. Whatever conditions were attached to the money when the Club were awarded it would have to have been passed onto the Council along with the cash. | | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:55 - Jul 25 with 505 views | londonlisa2001 |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:51 - Jul 25 by outtolunch |
Didnt the club put money towards the build in the form of grants though ? Wouldn't they have had a say in the build if they had ? |
yes - but the grants specified a maximum stadium size unfortunately and couldn't be altered hence 20k rather than 25k seats. All parties were involved throughout I believe - the point made that the council didn't want the 25k seats or in some way couldn't be arsed to push for it is just wrong - the grant would have disappeared which would have meant that there wasn't enough money for the stadium. | | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:56 - Jul 25 with 503 views | _ |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:27 - Jul 25 by Swanjaxs |
Chill out mate no need to SHOUT!! What part of £15 for our home friendly am I misinterpreting??? FYI I did start reading this thread but got bored of all the backbiting by about page 3 |
No need to contribute then was it... jog it. | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 12:56 - Jul 25 with 501 views | MattG |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:42 - Jul 25 by Devz00 |
CBA to read 19 pages but I paid £10 for Reading away next saturday so I don't think it's that bad paying £15 for Villarreal. The main gripe, for me, is the ridiculous booking fee per ticket. |
Is it per ticket or per transaction? I only ask because I booked 4 Reading tickets the other day and paid a £3 booking fee which doesn't really work out on a "per ticket" basis. | | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 13:01 - Jul 25 with 491 views | londonlisa2001 |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:55 - Jul 25 by MattG |
Assuming you are saying that the Club applied for grant monies which were then added to the pot, I would say that grant funding virtually always comes with a multitude of conditions and strings attached - it's rare that money is handed over for organisations to do whatever they want with. Whatever conditions were attached to the money when the Club were awarded it would have to have been passed onto the Council along with the cash. |
yes you're right - it came with the condition that the ground size was a maximum of 20,000 seats (they managed to shove in an extra 500 in the seat fit out). It's pointless everyone now with the benefit of hindsight talking about it - it was what it was and the stadium was needed and no one could come up with the money to replace the grant that would have been lost to afford the extra size or additional money to pay for infrastructure to allow for expansion. | | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 13:01 - Jul 25 with 489 views | perchrockjack |
jog it? that supposed to be a pithy riposte.FFS man.
You really don't get it do ya? or do you.
You aint stupid or thick really although monumentally arrogant but when you stick to subject matter you can make pertinent points but this vanishes as sooon as a poster whom you don't rate comes along;you cannot help it.
You aint a kid either, you have many years left to live hopefully but you seem incapable of learning as we all must. Incredible to see a man of you age acting as you do.
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| £15 for our home friendly on 13:02 - Jul 25 with 487 views | Swanjaxs |
| £15 for our home friendly on 12:56 - Jul 25 by _ |
No need to contribute then was it... jog it. |
Why all the angst Christopher?? And you used to be a top lad!  | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 13:03 - Jul 25 with 481 views | _ |
| £15 for our home friendly on 13:01 - Jul 25 by londonlisa2001 |
yes you're right - it came with the condition that the ground size was a maximum of 20,000 seats (they managed to shove in an extra 500 in the seat fit out). It's pointless everyone now with the benefit of hindsight talking about it - it was what it was and the stadium was needed and no one could come up with the money to replace the grant that would have been lost to afford the extra size or additional money to pay for infrastructure to allow for expansion. |
There was talk last season of a sponsor contributing towards the expansion. That all died a death just before Goldenway jumped in? | |
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