| What's "wrong" with Christianity? 20:17 - Aug 3 with 29831 views | Davillin |
What's "wrong" with Christianity?
N.B. In my opinion, it's not what's "wrong" with Christianity, but rather what's wrong with certain dismissive analyses of Christianity.
Everything that's "wrong" with Christianity is not about Christ and his teaching, but is about matters tangential to his teaching.
First and foremost, the Old Testament. Eliminate all of it and all of the hate-filled attacks on the thousands of sometimes imaginary and sometimes at least partly imaginary, and this would be a quieter place, and a quieter message board.
Second, eliminate all of the mythical elements like angels singing on high, and three wise men, and immaculate conception, and virgin birth, etc, etc, etc.
Third, eliminate all of the happy horsesh!t that goes on within the formalized churches -- especially the Catholic Church -- everything from fanciful non-Biblical embellishments and sometimes exceedingly silly rules and dogma, to long-past historical peccadilloes and worse, long-past political, economic, and military outrages.
Fourth, eliminate all of the excesses in wealth, ostentatious wealth, and pseudo regal trappings.
Fifth, do not be put off by Christ's speaking of Heaven and Hell, and the Father, but remember that these are images fully understood by his unsophisticated audience as images of one kind or another, and are not granite-hard reality.
Not one of the things I describe above has anything significant to do with either Christ or his teachings. When you ignore or eliminate all of those things, you will have the freedom to get to the heart of his teaching.
Although you can be richly rewarded by searching through the New Testament, reading all of the red typeface (which is a standard indication of the words of Christ), you really need go no further than the Sermon on the Mount, where, in essence, he gives an explication of The Ten Commandments, which alone give anyone who wants it a guide to a moral life.
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-5_7/
The "pixies and fairies" so beloved of those who wish to denigrate either the Bible, religion itself, or just Christianity, were put in there as a means of explaining astoundingly complex concepts to people who were completely ill-equipped to understand them without these "teaching aids."
Anyone who is, or pretends to be, intelligent and well-read, should know to move immediately beyond these images and get to the heart of the teaching.
I not only admit, but trumpet aloud, the fact that it is far too easy to be dismissive based on tangentials, and difficult to get past them to the meaning, and moreover sometimes difficult beyond some persons' intellectual capacity.
In my opinion, it's better simply to not get involved in these discussions than to try to fight against the closed mind, and especially the mind that is closed because of non-essential and inconsequential side issues.
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 13:46 - Aug 4 with 1902 views | dickythorpe |
One of the Krays found God on his deathbed.......amazing how many have suddenly "found God" with their lives on a tightrope. |  | | |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 13:56 - Aug 4 with 1897 views | Darran |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 13:46 - Aug 4 by dickythorpe |
One of the Krays found God on his deathbed.......amazing how many have suddenly "found God" with their lives on a tightrope. |
All those w*nkers on death row are born agains too. |  |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 14:03 - Aug 4 with 1886 views | llangyfelach |
I think every religion needs to get its representative on planet earth onto the Krypton Factor. Winner takes all. I mean, how difficult could it be? |  |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 14:30 - Aug 4 with 1861 views | Batterseajack |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 14:03 - Aug 4 by llangyfelach |
I think every religion needs to get its representative on planet earth onto the Krypton Factor. Winner takes all. I mean, how difficult could it be? |
So basically, cherry pick what you think the good bits out of the bible are and it becomes a good book? |  | | |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 14:31 - Aug 4 with 1859 views | Darran |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 14:30 - Aug 4 by Batterseajack |
So basically, cherry pick what you think the good bits out of the bible are and it becomes a good book? |
Becomes a good pamphlet. | |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 14:43 - Aug 4 with 1853 views | llangyfelach |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 14:30 - Aug 4 by Batterseajack |
So basically, cherry pick what you think the good bits out of the bible are and it becomes a good book? |
No, I'm thinking that whoever wins the Krypton Factor becomes the default religion for the planet. Atheists need not bother them, and wars would come to an end because the world would be rejoicing to one god and no other f*cker
Nonsensical it may sound, but try telling me the thousands of years of death in the name of religion are any less nonsensical | |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:00 - Aug 4 with 1839 views | Batterseajack |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 14:43 - Aug 4 by llangyfelach |
No, I'm thinking that whoever wins the Krypton Factor becomes the default religion for the planet. Atheists need not bother them, and wars would come to an end because the world would be rejoicing to one god and no other f*cker
Nonsensical it may sound, but try telling me the thousands of years of death in the name of religion are any less nonsensical |
I quite like your krypton factor solution for world peace. Although i think an X factor type contest with Simon Cowell, Louis Walsh, Mel B and Sinitta on the judging panel might be more fitting with the modern world. It could finally save Saturday night TV and the world wide audiences could feel included with the phone in vote. | | | |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:15 - Aug 4 with 1814 views | JackoBoostardo |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 14:03 - Aug 4 by llangyfelach |
I think every religion needs to get its representative on planet earth onto the Krypton Factor. Winner takes all. I mean, how difficult could it be? |
Nah... make it a UFC tournament to the death. Let's see who their god is really backing shall we?!! |  |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:17 - Aug 4 with 1825 views | llangyfelach |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:00 - Aug 4 by Batterseajack |
I quite like your krypton factor solution for world peace. Although i think an X factor type contest with Simon Cowell, Louis Walsh, Mel B and Sinitta on the judging panel might be more fitting with the modern world. It could finally save Saturday night TV and the world wide audiences could feel included with the phone in vote. |
The worlds leaders could do a lot worse than listen to us  | |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:30 - Aug 4 with 1818 views | Davillin |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 07:46 - Aug 4 by dailew |
Judge not, that ye be not judged. |
You are invited to judge me on this subject. | |
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| What's on 15:31 - Aug 4 with 1816 views | Davillin |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 02:58 - Aug 4 by phact0rri |
What are you on about? what makes people angry at Christians? or what makes people not want to believe in Christianity? |
And here I thought I addressed that quite clearly in the original post. [Post edited 4 Aug 2014 16:03]
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:40 - Aug 4 with 1811 views | Davillin |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 11:51 - Aug 4 by jackonicko |
I agree with Dav that some fellow called something like Jesus existed. Whether he was the son of the Big Guy is another matter.
My problem with Christianity can be summed up in three little words. "Spread the word". That has been translated into some of the most abhorrent human behaviour of all history. |
I hope it's clear that I agree with this quote of yours: "I agree with Dav that some fellow called something like Jesus existed. Whether he was the son of the Big Guy is another matter. "
I have believed for most of my life that Christ was speaking metaphorically, and that he was the son of God in the same way that we all are.
There is the biological father and the spiritual father, just as there is a "step-father," for example. "Fatherhood" comes in several forms. I have known many "step fathers" who were infinitely more the "real" father to their step-children than the biological father. So have you. | |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:50 - Aug 4 with 1801 views | Davillin |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 12:35 - Aug 4 by JJJack |
"In my opinion, it's better simply to not get involved in these discussions than to try to fight against the closed mind, and especially the mind that is closed because of non-essential and inconsequential side issues."
I'll tell you what I ridicule Daz.......look at the above paragraph which is the final paragraph of the OP. Dav puts a pretty reasonable post on here which is thought-provoking if not obviously biased. But then ends the post with a "and don't bother disagreeing with me because I'm not going to bother discussing it if you do" comment. That's about as ridiculous and pointless as you can get in terms of starting up a , er, "discussion". |
And your "analysis" is pure nonsense.
I referred to closed minds, not all disagreements. People on here who have known me and disagreed with me for years know full well that I do not avoid or reject disagreement.
I do shut off stupidity, crudeness, and closed minds as soon as I recognize them.
I specifically shut off anyone who intentionally misrepresents what I write. I did not write, "and don't bother disagreeing with me because I'm not going to bother discussing it if you do." Look at the copy of your post, above, to see what I did write -- as if you didn't already know.
You may disavow that comment as a misrepresentation of what I wrote -- you even directly quoted what I wrote, amazingly enough, for goddess' sake! -- or you get blocked. | |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:51 - Aug 4 with 1796 views | Lohengrin |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:30 - Aug 4 by Davillin |
You are invited to judge me on this subject. |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:52 - Aug 4 with 1676 views | Neath_Jack |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 12:26 - Aug 4 by Darran |
Here's a serious question for you Jackb.
If you profess to be this enlightened leftie like yoh do on here why do you constantly try to ridicule the OP?
Serious question.
Just wondering. |
I'll answer for him if you don't mind.
He doesn't ridicule Dav, he answers him in the tone that Dav often speaks to others. Jackb has put Dav away in debates many many times before, and Dav does not like it one bit and usually strops off out of the thread. |  |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:55 - Aug 4 with 1679 views | CountyJim |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 01:33 - Aug 4 by epaul |
TBH I couldn't give a flying f*** and I'll come back to my original statement that it's all a load of bollux. You say christ taught, hang on he's just some imaginary bloke, so that says a lot that you put an imaginery person in that context when he never existed....delusional...and I'll say it again great philosophers what religious ones....one word bullsh1t
Please be aware whilst I have a disdain for religion, if an individual has comfort in it good for them just don't push it on me |
Even Atheist historians will tell you that Jesus was a real person and in fact died on the cross
Its fact the only thing is they dont believe he was the Son of God |  | | |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 16:24 - Aug 4 with 1650 views | Davillin |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 13:46 - Aug 4 by dickythorpe |
One of the Krays found God on his deathbed.......amazing how many have suddenly "found God" with their lives on a tightrope. |
An illustration of your point.
When I was a fledgling lawyer, I was at the courthouse one day when an announcement over the intercom called me by name to a certain judge's courtroom.
In the courtroom were the judge, his clerk, his court stenographer, and a man standing in front of the bench.
The judge, after a relatively cordial greeting for a judge, told me that this was a criminal defendant in front of the court without a lawyer for sentencing, and "asking" if I would represent him for this matter. Even a callow youth of a lawyer understands that a "request" from a judge is not lightly considered. Of course I agreed.
This was my first time "representing" someone at a sentencing, so it was a learning experience from the first moment.
The judge introduced us. The defendant had only one thing to say to me, and that was that he wanted to say a few words to the court. I told him that he would have that opportunity after the judge gave him all of the information required by law, which the judge did.
He then asked me whether the defendant had anything he wanted to say, and I replied that he did.
The defendant was carrying a Bible, and told the judge, almost in these words, but not really verbatim, that while in prison he had found God and accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Saviour, had joined a group of prisoners dedicated to spreading the Word of God and doing His work, and would continue to do so.
Without missing a beat, the judge replied [again, not verbatim, but very close, "I am very pleased that you have accepted Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour and have decided to do His good work. I am certain that that will be a great comfort to you while you're doing the 5 to 10 years I am sentencing you to serve in the State Penitentiary at [I forget which one]."
A brief flash of shock crossed my mind before I realized that the judge had heard that pitch more times than even he could count, including the Bible overtly in hand, and displayed an amazingly calm and sincere demeanour in his response.
Any port in a storm.
Every prison has a "bar association" of experienced prisoners ["jailhouse lawyers"] who advise the more naïve prisoners on all manner of things, including how to appear before a judge. Some of them are quite good. | |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 17:02 - Aug 4 with 1623 views | JackoBoostardo |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:52 - Aug 4 by Neath_Jack |
I'll answer for him if you don't mind.
He doesn't ridicule Dav, he answers him in the tone that Dav often speaks to others. Jackb has put Dav away in debates many many times before, and Dav does not like it one bit and usually strops off out of the thread. |
Davillin is often condescending and pedantic in his posts. Yet he doesn't like it done back at him.
He may be older but that doesn't always mean wiser. When proven wrong - he blocks you (as has happened to me).
He's an enigma - he posts all of these deeply philosophical and debatable threads, but if he doesn't like the answer he'll ignore it.
I used to respect Davillin..... used to. | |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 17:10 - Aug 4 with 1626 views | Neath_Jack |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 17:02 - Aug 4 by JackoBoostardo |
Davillin is often condescending and pedantic in his posts. Yet he doesn't like it done back at him.
He may be older but that doesn't always mean wiser. When proven wrong - he blocks you (as has happened to me).
He's an enigma - he posts all of these deeply philosophical and debatable threads, but if he doesn't like the answer he'll ignore it.
I used to respect Davillin..... used to. |
Yeah, blocked me ages ago because i kept pulling him up on those exact same traits. I couldn't debate with him on most of the subjects he brings up though. | |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 17:12 - Aug 4 with 1628 views | Catullus |
I have trouble forgetting the immaculate conception, virgin birth and others. I also have trouble considering heaven or hell as pure imagery.
All these things were taught to me as being real. Mary and Joseph did not copulate, god impregnated her. Heaven exists as a place to ascend too if you are a true believer and worthy.
Hell is where bad people end up.
If all of this is just myth and imagery, what is the point in the church? Death becomes the end in itself. If there is nothing better to look forward too, then what is the point?
No, for god to exist and church to have any point, you have to believe, truly believe. Otherwise you are wasting your time (and hope) on something that may as well be from Walt Disneys archives.
I try to be a good person. Not because I am religious and far from it. But because I believe it is right and we all should try.
But why would anyone believe in a religion that ultimately offers nothing? | |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 17:18 - Aug 4 with 1619 views | C_jack |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 17:02 - Aug 4 by JackoBoostardo |
Davillin is often condescending and pedantic in his posts. Yet he doesn't like it done back at him.
He may be older but that doesn't always mean wiser. When proven wrong - he blocks you (as has happened to me).
He's an enigma - he posts all of these deeply philosophical and debatable threads, but if he doesn't like the answer he'll ignore it.
I used to respect Davillin..... used to. |
Why are you coming on to a Christian thread and shouting down Christians?
Interesting that you've abandoned the other one |  |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 17:20 - Aug 4 with 1613 views | Darran |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 15:52 - Aug 4 by Neath_Jack |
I'll answer for him if you don't mind.
He doesn't ridicule Dav, he answers him in the tone that Dav often speaks to others. Jackb has put Dav away in debates many many times before, and Dav does not like it one bit and usually strops off out of the thread. |
I'm just intrigued as to why this peace loving Dalai Lama typey gets involved.
Perhaps if Dav was a murderer/pedo/rapist he wouldn't. | |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 17:24 - Aug 4 with 1606 views | Catullus |
| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 17:02 - Aug 4 by JackoBoostardo |
Davillin is often condescending and pedantic in his posts. Yet he doesn't like it done back at him.
He may be older but that doesn't always mean wiser. When proven wrong - he blocks you (as has happened to me).
He's an enigma - he posts all of these deeply philosophical and debatable threads, but if he doesn't like the answer he'll ignore it.
I used to respect Davillin..... used to. |
I often disagree with Davillin on religious threads. As far as I know I'm not blocked. Its not so much the answer, but the style and tone of it that leads him to ignore you! | |
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| What's "wrong" with Christianity? on 17:35 - Aug 4 with 1599 views | skippyjack |
It's partially true.. but it doesn't reveal the true story.. the bible is skewed with facts and non facts.. it's a jumbled book.. that you've got to put straight.. it's a fascinating puzzle the bible. |  |
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