| More Questions than Answers 23:54 - Aug 26 with 7361 views | _ |
3 games played
Won 3 Drawn 0 Lost 0 For 4 Against 1
Pretty impressive stats, pretty impressive start.
But why doesn't it feel as good as it should?!
I don't want to start a negative thread here because the season is well and truly up and running and we've got a massive chance next Saturday of already stabbing through a big marker in the ground to be in this division next season - the main objective!!
Lots of positives tonight also; youngsters did themselves proud, Carroll looked classy, full backs solid and comfortable on the ball keeping possession, Jazz' best game in a Swans shirt in my opinion and a very classy acquisition in Fede MkII. Gomis also looks a solid buy and in fairness for a big lump has a real good touch and just seems to have that ability to drag the ball away from defenders and keep hold of the ball. In some ways it's a pity Bony is here at the same time as this boy would be our first and only starter - but that's one of those "nice" problems isn't it. Well I hope so.
I'm also happy with our wide men. Routs and Dyer are dyed in the wool Jacks by now and we know exactly what we're going to get; ok they won't always get everything right, but that's just the way it is, typically with a Swans player, but they're absolutely too class for us. Montero has come in and looks a live wire; he does seem to be the type of player that will do as much right as he will get wrong but when you think about our out and out chances tonight he was behind a big percentage of them.
I am a little worried however about the amount of zip and chances we create now. That to me, at this moment in time, is the clear difference between a Laudrup team and a Monk team. We need to create more "zip" in the middle of the park and get the ball in and around the box quicker feeding both our wingers a lot more than we are at the moment.
I am a little concerned with our middle of the park. I really don't want to see any more of Shelvey's Hollywood passes, at least not on such regularity. He needs to mix up his game a lot more and look for more zip, more one-twos and get a lot more energy about us in centre midfield. Ki can be fairly static too and to a lesser degree so is Siggy. I really thought Siggy would look a different class tonight for half hour but he just didn't.
I will look back at the best one half performance I've ever seen from the Swans and that was the absolute demolition of West Brom at home two seasons ago. We could do with having a little look at the style of play and tactics used in that game and look to employ that again, especially at home. We need more pace in the middle, we need more energy and as I keep saying "zip", something's not right with us in this department and if we don't get it right it could have a knock on effect for the next few months.
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| More Questions than Answers on 19:46 - Aug 27 with 707 views | exiledclaseboy |
| More Questions than Answers on 19:42 - Aug 27 by jackonicko |
Can I go before? I imagine Warwick's session might overrun. |
Probably makes sense. He spends most of the first half an hour shouting "BELLWHIFF" and "QUILT" at all my stuffed animals. We're working on that. |  |
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| More Questions than Answers on 19:50 - Aug 27 with 688 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| More Questions than Answers on 19:46 - Aug 27 by exiledclaseboy |
Probably makes sense. He spends most of the first half an hour shouting "BELLWHIFF" and "QUILT" at all my stuffed animals. We're working on that. |
"All my stuffed animals"
That's a little disturbing. |  |
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| More Questions than Answers on 19:53 - Aug 27 with 677 views | Dr_Winston |
| More Questions than Answers on 19:50 - Aug 27 by Joe_bradshaw |
"All my stuffed animals"
That's a little disturbing. |
Don't look under his patio. |  |
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| More Questions than Answers on 19:54 - Aug 27 with 676 views | skippyjack |
| More Questions than Answers on 19:42 - Aug 27 by jackonicko |
Can I go before? I imagine Warwick's session might overrun. |
I'll take both jobs... you'll need physique, stamina and concentration.. hopefully it's a BBW to warm up. |  |
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| More Questions than Answers on 20:00 - Aug 27 with 657 views | jackonicko |
Anyway, back on thread (!), another question for answering:
If we agree that the Swans are not firing on all cylinders:
i) Are Swansea currently a team that is picking up points when playing 'badly', which is a good sign for the season ahead as we will only get better; or
ii) Do the 6 points actually paper over the cracks and that we're on for a tough season under a rookie manager.
In our first season in the Premier League, we didn't pick up 3 points (or even a goal!) for quite a few games, but the performances suggested things would pick up. And so it came to pass. You could argue that the 'performances' were better in that first season than the first two games this year. We played more 'the Swansea way'.
The optimist in me leans towards (i). A more robust defence so far this season, coupled with exciting attacking options in Bony, Gomis and Siggy, reinforces that optimism.
But 30+ years of being a Swans supporter (realist?) makes me fear (ii). |  | | |
| More Questions than Answers on 20:19 - Aug 27 with 638 views | exiledclaseboy |
| More Questions than Answers on 20:00 - Aug 27 by jackonicko |
Anyway, back on thread (!), another question for answering:
If we agree that the Swans are not firing on all cylinders:
i) Are Swansea currently a team that is picking up points when playing 'badly', which is a good sign for the season ahead as we will only get better; or
ii) Do the 6 points actually paper over the cracks and that we're on for a tough season under a rookie manager.
In our first season in the Premier League, we didn't pick up 3 points (or even a goal!) for quite a few games, but the performances suggested things would pick up. And so it came to pass. You could argue that the 'performances' were better in that first season than the first two games this year. We played more 'the Swansea way'.
The optimist in me leans towards (i). A more robust defence so far this season, coupled with exciting attacking options in Bony, Gomis and Siggy, reinforces that optimism.
But 30+ years of being a Swans supporter (realist?) makes me fear (ii). |
Neither of the above, although I'd lean more towards i) if you put a gun to my head. We're by no means playing "badly". We've played well in patches, well enough to win two games one of which, let's not forget, was against Manchester United at Old Trafford. Regardless of how poor they are at the moment, that result is and will alwaysremain one of this club's crowning achievements. We've been under pressure in both of those games, partly because football is game played between two teams which means one team rarely gets things all their own way over the course of 90 minutes, and partly due to some of our own shortcomings which have been documented in this thread. When we've been under pressure, it's often been because our passing's been sloppy and we've given the ball away.
It's an old football cliché that good teams pick up points when not at their best and we've done that admirably in the two league games so far. We'll continue to improve as and when our squad continues to gel and I assume there will be a couple of additions to personnel as well.
We've defended really well in both games but we've played better in previous seasons and lost. At those times we quite rightly took solace in our performance levels. Now we should be embracing the fact that we're winning games that we'd have lost in previous seasons. Also encouraging is that we're showing the balls to tough games out when under pressure and also bouncing back from setbacks within games. That sort of spirit wasn't always evident, especially in the later games under Laudrup when going a goal down early on was akin to a death sentence.
Just to add that I didn't see the Rotherham game so all of the above is based on the games against United and Burnley. The Rotherham game is probably fairly pointless as a "data point" anyway, seeing as it was an almost entirely different starting XI. | |
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| More Questions than Answers on 20:27 - Aug 27 with 615 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| More Questions than Answers on 20:19 - Aug 27 by exiledclaseboy |
Neither of the above, although I'd lean more towards i) if you put a gun to my head. We're by no means playing "badly". We've played well in patches, well enough to win two games one of which, let's not forget, was against Manchester United at Old Trafford. Regardless of how poor they are at the moment, that result is and will alwaysremain one of this club's crowning achievements. We've been under pressure in both of those games, partly because football is game played between two teams which means one team rarely gets things all their own way over the course of 90 minutes, and partly due to some of our own shortcomings which have been documented in this thread. When we've been under pressure, it's often been because our passing's been sloppy and we've given the ball away.
It's an old football cliché that good teams pick up points when not at their best and we've done that admirably in the two league games so far. We'll continue to improve as and when our squad continues to gel and I assume there will be a couple of additions to personnel as well.
We've defended really well in both games but we've played better in previous seasons and lost. At those times we quite rightly took solace in our performance levels. Now we should be embracing the fact that we're winning games that we'd have lost in previous seasons. Also encouraging is that we're showing the balls to tough games out when under pressure and also bouncing back from setbacks within games. That sort of spirit wasn't always evident, especially in the later games under Laudrup when going a goal down early on was akin to a death sentence.
Just to add that I didn't see the Rotherham game so all of the above is based on the games against United and Burnley. The Rotherham game is probably fairly pointless as a "data point" anyway, seeing as it was an almost entirely different starting XI. |
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| More Questions than Answers on 20:38 - Aug 27 with 606 views | Davillin |
| More Questions than Answers on 18:40 - Aug 27 by exiledclaseboy |
While the thread title is (probably deliberately) a bit provocative, that's a very reasonable OP from T2C. It's good to see him moderating his opinion on footballing matters somewhat in the wake of some very positive results so far this season. Absolutely no doubt that we're not the finished article yet, no team is after three games. There are things that need work and I've no doubt that work is ongoing.
I just hope now that we can put the nit picking behind us and stop looking for every excuse to have a dig at Monk. Some of it has been painful to watch it's been no desperate to find something to comment negatively on (I'm not necessarily referring to T2C here).
And as we're in the business of disclaimers on this thread, I'll add one. I have no "personal agenda" against anyone on here, least of all T2C who I've met many times and is a thoroughly nice man. |
It ain't "nit-pickiing," Andrew. This tasteless nutcase is wildly insulting and is clearly in need of some psychiatric help. After I finish reading the other posts to date on this thread, I'll reproduce his ravings in one post for you to analyze and you can tell me again that he is "a thoroughly nice man." You are a thoroughly nice man. He's vile. |  |
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| More Questions than Answers on 20:41 - Aug 27 with 599 views | Davillin |
| More Questions than Answers on 19:07 - Aug 27 by exiledclaseboy |
If someone edited all pleonasms from the internet there'd be loads more room for porn. |
Damm! You missed a wonderful opportunity for a snappy line, substituting "orgasms" for "porn." Next time. | |
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| More Questions than Answers on 20:47 - Aug 27 with 587 views | WarwickHunt |
| More Questions than Answers on 19:46 - Aug 27 by exiledclaseboy |
Probably makes sense. He spends most of the first half an hour shouting "BELLWHIFF" and "QUILT" at all my stuffed animals. We're working on that. |
Yeah - and I pay for an hour and only get 50 minutes. C*NTPIPE! |  | | |
| More Questions than Answers on 20:51 - Aug 27 with 562 views | PozuelosSideys |
| More Questions than Answers on 20:00 - Aug 27 by jackonicko |
Anyway, back on thread (!), another question for answering:
If we agree that the Swans are not firing on all cylinders:
i) Are Swansea currently a team that is picking up points when playing 'badly', which is a good sign for the season ahead as we will only get better; or
ii) Do the 6 points actually paper over the cracks and that we're on for a tough season under a rookie manager.
In our first season in the Premier League, we didn't pick up 3 points (or even a goal!) for quite a few games, but the performances suggested things would pick up. And so it came to pass. You could argue that the 'performances' were better in that first season than the first two games this year. We played more 'the Swansea way'.
The optimist in me leans towards (i). A more robust defence so far this season, coupled with exciting attacking options in Bony, Gomis and Siggy, reinforces that optimism.
But 30+ years of being a Swans supporter (realist?) makes me fear (ii). |
Its option 1. Think we'll get better. |  |
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| More Questions than Answers on 20:52 - Aug 27 with 559 views | Dr_Winston |
| More Questions than Answers on 20:47 - Aug 27 by WarwickHunt |
Yeah - and I pay for an hour and only get 50 minutes. C*NTPIPE! |
Is that because you're stuck outside for ten minutes because his ticketing system doesn't work? | |
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| More Questions than Answers on 20:57 - Aug 27 with 545 views | C_jack |
Substitute the OP for a lesser known username and this thread wouldn't have got to 3 pages.
Comeonyouswans is posting some great and interesting stuff here, and on his website, very similar in nature to this post, but nobody seems to bother with those threads, because they have no beef with him. Strange stuf. |  |
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| More Questions than Answers on 20:58 - Aug 27 with 545 views | C_jack |
Substitute the OP for a lesser known username and this thread wouldn't have got to 3 pages.
Comeonyouswans is posting some great and interesting stuff here, and on his website, very similar in nature to this post, but nobody seems to bother with those threads, because they have no beef with him. Strange stuff. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 21:02 - Aug 27 with 534 views | WarwickHunt |
| More Questions than Answers on 19:46 - Aug 27 by exiledclaseboy |
Probably makes sense. He spends most of the first half an hour shouting "BELLWHIFF" and "QUILT" at all my stuffed animals. We're working on that. |
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| More Questions than Answers on 21:03 - Aug 27 with 530 views | Davillin |
Andrew, as promised: I posted the following line in response to a humorous remark about dictionaries:
"Nope. It might surprise someone, but my computer came with a built-in [and regularly and automatically updated] dictionary. One click and I'm in.
"That's Apple for you!"
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This is his raving mad reply:
Yankee Doodle Stroodle the Latin speaking FATSO!
Darran Teabag Tramp and his stinking nits
Dickcocksockcockcoppercock internet weirdo who dresses up in womens knickers.
You three.... oh you three.... How come we're so lucky to get THREE absolute BEAUTS on the same site. Channel 5 would die for this. Late night HBO maybe?
You're like a facked up internet version of A League of Gentlemen.
It's a pleasure you're over there on the other side and I wake up daily just glad not to be you, know you or with hope, ever meet you.
Dickcock you need to lower the mg's on your meds mate and i'm being serious here.
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Andrew: I would appreciate an answer. Does that sound like "a thoroughly nice man"? Or a scene from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? That is not even remotely intended as humour!
He's RAVING.
And did you read earlier why he has a burning hole in his gut from hatred of me? (1) I'm boring. (2) I'm an American [repeated twice above]. (3) I can do statistics. He only hints at his envy of my education and intelligence, for what they're worth [called me "Latin speaking" above -- of all things to drive one to distraction!]
I do not feel like sitting here and letting him insult me any longer. I doubt whether you would have taken it for going on 15 years from him and his progenitor. And it's not funny. | |
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| More Questions than Answers on 21:05 - Aug 27 with 526 views | AngelRangelQS |
| More Questions than Answers on 20:38 - Aug 27 by Davillin |
It ain't "nit-pickiing," Andrew. This tasteless nutcase is wildly insulting and is clearly in need of some psychiatric help. After I finish reading the other posts to date on this thread, I'll reproduce his ravings in one post for you to analyze and you can tell me again that he is "a thoroughly nice man." You are a thoroughly nice man. He's vile. |
With respect there's nothing wrong with t2c's posts on this thread at all. The OP is one of the better ones we've had on here for a while.
Despite some attempts to disrupt it, it's been a good footballing debate which has sadly been lacking here recently. |  | | |
| More Questions than Answers on 21:07 - Aug 27 with 519 views | Darran |
| More Questions than Answers on 21:05 - Aug 27 by AngelRangelQS |
With respect there's nothing wrong with t2c's posts on this thread at all. The OP is one of the better ones we've had on here for a while.
Despite some attempts to disrupt it, it's been a good footballing debate which has sadly been lacking here recently. |
Yeah but he's still a tw*t. |  |
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| More Questions than Answers on 21:13 - Aug 27 with 498 views | exiledclaseboy |
| More Questions than Answers on 21:03 - Aug 27 by Davillin |
Andrew, as promised: I posted the following line in response to a humorous remark about dictionaries:
"Nope. It might surprise someone, but my computer came with a built-in [and regularly and automatically updated] dictionary. One click and I'm in.
"That's Apple for you!"
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This is his raving mad reply:
Yankee Doodle Stroodle the Latin speaking FATSO!
Darran Teabag Tramp and his stinking nits
Dickcocksockcockcoppercock internet weirdo who dresses up in womens knickers.
You three.... oh you three.... How come we're so lucky to get THREE absolute BEAUTS on the same site. Channel 5 would die for this. Late night HBO maybe?
You're like a facked up internet version of A League of Gentlemen.
It's a pleasure you're over there on the other side and I wake up daily just glad not to be you, know you or with hope, ever meet you.
Dickcock you need to lower the mg's on your meds mate and i'm being serious here.
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Andrew: I would appreciate an answer. Does that sound like "a thoroughly nice man"? Or a scene from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? That is not even remotely intended as humour!
He's RAVING.
And did you read earlier why he has a burning hole in his gut from hatred of me? (1) I'm boring. (2) I'm an American [repeated twice above]. (3) I can do statistics. He only hints at his envy of my education and intelligence, for what they're worth [called me "Latin speaking" above -- of all things to drive one to distraction!]
I do not feel like sitting here and letting him insult me any longer. I doubt whether you would have taken it for going on 15 years from him and his progenitor. And it's not funny. |
Dav, I've met him, I like him, I know he's a decent fella. Exactly the same goes for you too. He clearly has an issue with you on here which has gone on for some time and may have been passed down a generation. I don't blame you for one bit or not liking him given the stuff he aims in your direction. I've been on the wrong end of T2C's online invective too, years ago (and him mine to be fair) but it was a long time ago. But I'm just doing as I always do, speaking as I find (as you are of course). | |
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| More Questions than Answers on 21:14 - Aug 27 with 498 views | AngelRangelQS |
| More Questions than Answers on 21:07 - Aug 27 by Darran |
Yeah but he's still a tw*t. |
Yeah that's fine if you think that. Personally I enjoy reading most peoples posts on here, including yours and t2cs. I don't always agree with everyone but I come on here to talk about the swans not watch a bunch of grown men arguing like little girls.
Even DYSS who I think is a right annoying prick posts some good stuff occasionally. I'm of the opinion that people should argue with the post and not the poster | | | |
| More Questions than Answers on 21:19 - Aug 27 with 481 views | Darran |
| More Questions than Answers on 21:14 - Aug 27 by AngelRangelQS |
Yeah that's fine if you think that. Personally I enjoy reading most peoples posts on here, including yours and t2cs. I don't always agree with everyone but I come on here to talk about the swans not watch a bunch of grown men arguing like little girls.
Even DYSS who I think is a right annoying prick posts some good stuff occasionally. I'm of the opinion that people should argue with the post and not the poster |
Fair point but people can't forget his previous bollox. | |
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| More Questions than Answers on 21:27 - Aug 27 with 458 views | C_jack |
| More Questions than Answers on 21:19 - Aug 27 by Darran |
Fair point but people can't forget his previous bollox. |
Who gives a s**t, I hardly remember what I've posted on here, let alone keep a record of others.
If every post on here was 'anonymous' then would you have posted the same stuff you have? You probably wouldn't have even posted at all. | |
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| More Questions than Answers on 21:28 - Aug 27 with 457 views | AngelRangelQS |
| More Questions than Answers on 21:19 - Aug 27 by Darran |
Fair point but people can't forget his previous bollox. |
No I accept that some people can't and that's fine. If I'd had a run in with him (or anyone else for that matter) I'd feel the same.
At least he's been big enough to come on here and say he's impressed with the start, happy with certain things and still highlight some doubts/worries which are ones I'm sure we all share to some degree. Many others wouldn't have done that.
We're all swans fans (mostly) and we all come on here to talk about the club and find out others views on it. Years ago it was one of the only ways to discuss the swans whereas nowadays every tw*t and his postman has an opinion. It's good to come on here and find our what the proper fans think, the ones that we all know were definitely there when things were shit. [Post edited 27 Aug 2014 21:29]
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| More Questions than Answers on 21:32 - Aug 27 with 442 views | Darran |
| More Questions than Answers on 21:27 - Aug 27 by C_jack |
Who gives a s**t, I hardly remember what I've posted on here, let alone keep a record of others.
If every post on here was 'anonymous' then would you have posted the same stuff you have? You probably wouldn't have even posted at all. |
Well it's not f*cking anonymous and he's been abusing the club for years. | |
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| More Questions than Answers on 23:11 - Aug 27 with 377 views | _ |
| More Questions than Answers on 21:03 - Aug 27 by Davillin |
Andrew, as promised: I posted the following line in response to a humorous remark about dictionaries:
"Nope. It might surprise someone, but my computer came with a built-in [and regularly and automatically updated] dictionary. One click and I'm in.
"That's Apple for you!"
________
This is his raving mad reply:
Yankee Doodle Stroodle the Latin speaking FATSO!
Darran Teabag Tramp and his stinking nits
Dickcocksockcockcoppercock internet weirdo who dresses up in womens knickers.
You three.... oh you three.... How come we're so lucky to get THREE absolute BEAUTS on the same site. Channel 5 would die for this. Late night HBO maybe?
You're like a facked up internet version of A League of Gentlemen.
It's a pleasure you're over there on the other side and I wake up daily just glad not to be you, know you or with hope, ever meet you.
Dickcock you need to lower the mg's on your meds mate and i'm being serious here.
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Andrew: I would appreciate an answer. Does that sound like "a thoroughly nice man"? Or a scene from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? That is not even remotely intended as humour!
He's RAVING.
And did you read earlier why he has a burning hole in his gut from hatred of me? (1) I'm boring. (2) I'm an American [repeated twice above]. (3) I can do statistics. He only hints at his envy of my education and intelligence, for what they're worth [called me "Latin speaking" above -- of all things to drive one to distraction!]
I do not feel like sitting here and letting him insult me any longer. I doubt whether you would have taken it for going on 15 years from him and his progenitor. And it's not funny. |
I'm sorry but that post is facking hilarious.... Who wrote that?
Yankee Doodle strudel - genius mun!!!
Oh....it was me.
Tone, calm down dude, don't get so caught up in all this....
*Insert pretentious Latin bollox here* | |
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