| Milliband must be replaced now! 07:43 - Sep 21 with 2157 views | NOTRAC |
The Scottish issue has shown once again what a weak leader Labour has in Ed Milliband.
Not only was his presence almost invisible in that his apparent support for greater powers for Scotland coincided to such a degree with those of Cameron and Clegg, but he has failed completely to see the trap that he has now fallen into.
The English parliament for the English is now the Tory battle cry.This of course would mean that the Scottish representatives in Parliament would not be able to vote on English laws.As very few of those Scottish representatives are conservatives, Labour would lose out to the extent that even with a majority they would find it difficult to govern ,lacking the Scottish Labour vote on major issues.
The fact also that it was Gordon Brown that made the biggest impact in Scotland shows what little impact Milliband had.
The latest opinion polls in the Times today shows Labour(36%) leading the Tories (31%).however Cameron is the public's most trusted leader with 22% with only 16% supporting Milliband.
Again his support for the Barnett formula brings him into direct conflict with his Welsh Labour MPs.
If there is to be any hope of a change from Tory rule at the next elections Milliband must be replaced, and must be replaced now. |  |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:13 - Sep 21 with 801 views | reddythered |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:11 - Sep 21 by exiledclaseboy |
He wasn't in control of his party in 1983. Early 80s Labour was run by the hard left and the way the party's constitution worked at the time meant that its leader was not able to unilaterally decide what was and wasn't party policy. |
Agreed - let's not forget Foot's views were more aligned with that view than say John Smith or Kinnockio tho. But for the steps taken by those two in addressing the hard left, Labour would still not be anywhere close to electable; maybe even the third party. | |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:16 - Sep 21 with 794 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:13 - Sep 21 by reddythered |
Agreed - let's not forget Foot's views were more aligned with that view than say John Smith or Kinnockio tho. But for the steps taken by those two in addressing the hard left, Labour would still not be anywhere close to electable; maybe even the third party. |
To be honest (and this is all conjecture obviously) without Kinnock I think Labour would have disappeared off the political landscape years ago. |  |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:18 - Sep 21 with 792 views | monmouth |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 19:58 - Sep 21 by reddythered |
I'd disagree. Seemed a decent enough guy, but if he was a great as claimed, he'd surely have known that 1983 Labour manifesto would make the party utterly unelectable. Certainly wasn't in touch with the feelings of the populace if he believed Britain would go for naked socialism. |
People like Michael Foot and Tony Benn are idealists not chameleon lizardlike scumbags. Therefore making them political leaders is doomed to failure. If they had been pretend idealists, like Thatcher, and said one thing and done another to get and keep power they might have done better, and we might have a fairer society. That duplicity didn't work for Kinnock obviously, but nothing can save a ginger lump of sh*t I guess. I respected John Major too (even after the incredible lapse of judgement implied in swapping fluids with The Currie), even though temperamentally I don't think he was really cut out for it. |  |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 21:21 - Sep 21 with 754 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 19:41 - Sep 21 by Lohengrin |
The gulf between the others you've listed and Michael Foot is cavernous, in my opinion. He used to get flak for his appearance: the absent-minded Professor. That was the attraction for me; the man was possessed of an obvious intellect. He had a mind, and whether you agreed with him or not, he was always interesting to listen to and in the often stale world of Westminster he stood out for being fresh and original.
I'm no Labour supporter but I had a lot of time for Michael Foot. As I believe I mentioned here before I corresponded with him for a while, many years ago, when I was making enquiries about the fall of the Labour administration in 1931. He was kind enough to take the time to go into great depth with me, giving priceless personal insight into a largely forgotten past.
I found him to be a warm, kindly, fascinating man. He was genuine. I can think of no higher, or rarer, accolade for a politician. |
I agree with you! I was trying to point out that the appearance bit matters more when they are devoid of anything else (as in the case of Ed) whereas people don't notice it when they are more 'heavyweight' in other ways (like Foot). Agree with him or disagree, at least he wasn't a vacuous airhead as they all appear to be these days (such shallowness attracting comment on their looks for want of any other discussion about them). | | | |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 22:34 - Sep 21 with 736 views | Kilkennyjack |
Red ed is quite useless. Only this guy could come with a 'one nation' slogan as we move to a much more decentralised model. Clown. And its a tory slogan of course. He should go tomorrow. |  |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 23:29 - Sep 21 with 708 views | longlostjack |
Michael Foot was a thinker and far too nice. Unfortunately not photogenic and a media personality. Remember how people used to laugh at the US electing Reagan the actor ? Very sad really. |  |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 23:39 - Sep 21 with 698 views | reddythered |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:16 - Sep 21 by exiledclaseboy |
To be honest (and this is all conjecture obviously) without Kinnock I think Labour would have disappeared off the political landscape years ago. |
Kinnockio benefitted greatly from the groundwork laid by John Smith tbh.
Only have to look at the way the Kinnocks have milked the EU gravy train to see his true convictions. | |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 05:46 - Sep 22 with 664 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 23:39 - Sep 21 by reddythered |
Kinnockio benefitted greatly from the groundwork laid by John Smith tbh.
Only have to look at the way the Kinnocks have milked the EU gravy train to see his true convictions. |
I think you're misremembering there old son. Smith was Labour leader after Kinnock. | |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 05:54 - Sep 22 with 657 views | DJack |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 05:46 - Sep 22 by exiledclaseboy |
I think you're misremembering there old son. Smith was Labour leader after Kinnock. |
You're up flippin early mate. |  |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 11:33 - Sep 22 with 621 views | tomdickharry |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 23:39 - Sep 21 by reddythered |
Kinnockio benefitted greatly from the groundwork laid by John Smith tbh.
Only have to look at the way the Kinnocks have milked the EU gravy train to see his true convictions. |
And Kinnock junior will milk his MP status when he is elected in Port Talbot. | | | |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 14:42 - Sep 22 with 595 views | Catullus |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 23:39 - Sep 21 by reddythered |
Kinnockio benefitted greatly from the groundwork laid by John Smith tbh.
Only have to look at the way the Kinnocks have milked the EU gravy train to see his true convictions. |
Don't be knocking Kinnocio is front of ECB, he loves him. Never mind he lost an election the polls said he would win!!
Milliband doesn't look like a leader, that's his problem. And he sounds like a cold has taken permanent residence.
Ed Balls should not be allowed anywhere near government. I watched his conference speech this morning. Making promises about what Labour would do, it was hysterical. he reckons he/they will rebalance the economy, run at a profit (to keep it simple) lower the deficit and pay off debt.
I wouldn't trust him to run a whelk stall, let alone allow him near the treasury again. Nor his wife, th pair of them are awful. We are in deep do do if he is given the reigns at the treasury.
I don't think Labour have a cat in hells chance next GE. They are/have become a group of chancers, ridiculed by many, reviled by others.
It's only the Tory shortcomings that gives them a chance. it's more about who will lose the next election rather than who'll win.
Scotland has opened up sores all across the UK. Scotland itself is divided. England doesn't want to give them, more money. Even us Welsh think it's unfair. Cameron's mouth made a promise his ass can't keep, he'll get a good rogering from his own Mp's unless the rest of us get more money too. And the only way that will happen is if the Jocks get less.
And Salmond isn't keen on Scottish MP's not being allowed to vote on English matters, tells you a lot about him. He wants to run Scotland and have a say in England/UK matters.
UKIP could do a lot better than many think. And Cameron's pledge about no coalition will be sorely tested. | |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 15:07 - Sep 22 with 582 views | trampie |
Michael Foot's Labour manifesto when he was leader for the 1983 election was the last socialist manifesto Labour produced, unilateral nuclear disarmament, higher personal taxation, renationalisation of many industries and nationalisation of the banks, the abolishment of the House of Lords and for Britain to leave the European Economic Community.
Foot criticised the corporate domination of the press and he had a very deep dislike for Rupert Murdoch.
Thirty years down the line and Foot's views on Rupert Murdoch and the press, the European Union and the Banks look spot on.
Wales and Scotland as usual voted for the then 'socialist' Labour party but England had been sold by Mrs Thatchers offer of greed, tax cuts, council house sales and cheap share offers from selling off the countries nationalised industries.
The Labour party sold its soul to become electable again after 83' leaving no major UK wide left wing party, a void that still has not been filled three decades later. |  |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 18:57 - Sep 22 with 548 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 05:54 - Sep 22 by DJack |
You're up flippin early mate. |
A heady combinaton of insomnia, a 5.30am alarm and a dog who was standing at the bottom of the bed holding up a sign saying "I need to pee. Now!". He's very clever.
And early morning is my favourite time of day. Before everywhere becomes infested with people. | |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 18:59 - Sep 22 with 545 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 14:42 - Sep 22 by Catullus |
Don't be knocking Kinnocio is front of ECB, he loves him. Never mind he lost an election the polls said he would win!!
Milliband doesn't look like a leader, that's his problem. And he sounds like a cold has taken permanent residence.
Ed Balls should not be allowed anywhere near government. I watched his conference speech this morning. Making promises about what Labour would do, it was hysterical. he reckons he/they will rebalance the economy, run at a profit (to keep it simple) lower the deficit and pay off debt.
I wouldn't trust him to run a whelk stall, let alone allow him near the treasury again. Nor his wife, th pair of them are awful. We are in deep do do if he is given the reigns at the treasury.
I don't think Labour have a cat in hells chance next GE. They are/have become a group of chancers, ridiculed by many, reviled by others.
It's only the Tory shortcomings that gives them a chance. it's more about who will lose the next election rather than who'll win.
Scotland has opened up sores all across the UK. Scotland itself is divided. England doesn't want to give them, more money. Even us Welsh think it's unfair. Cameron's mouth made a promise his ass can't keep, he'll get a good rogering from his own Mp's unless the rest of us get more money too. And the only way that will happen is if the Jocks get less.
And Salmond isn't keen on Scottish MP's not being allowed to vote on English matters, tells you a lot about him. He wants to run Scotland and have a say in England/UK matters.
UKIP could do a lot better than many think. And Cameron's pledge about no coalition will be sorely tested. |
I've no issue with anyone knocking Kinnock, as long as they get their facts right when they do so. Reddy failed to do that, so did you the last time we spoke about him. Kinnock's not faultless by any means, none of them are.
And yes, he did lose an election the polls said he would win. In 1992. Not in 1987 as you claimed previously. Labour was never going to win that election in a million years. | |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 19:29 - Sep 22 with 542 views | Dr_Winston |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 15:07 - Sep 22 by trampie |
Michael Foot's Labour manifesto when he was leader for the 1983 election was the last socialist manifesto Labour produced, unilateral nuclear disarmament, higher personal taxation, renationalisation of many industries and nationalisation of the banks, the abolishment of the House of Lords and for Britain to leave the European Economic Community.
Foot criticised the corporate domination of the press and he had a very deep dislike for Rupert Murdoch.
Thirty years down the line and Foot's views on Rupert Murdoch and the press, the European Union and the Banks look spot on.
Wales and Scotland as usual voted for the then 'socialist' Labour party but England had been sold by Mrs Thatchers offer of greed, tax cuts, council house sales and cheap share offers from selling off the countries nationalised industries.
The Labour party sold its soul to become electable again after 83' leaving no major UK wide left wing party, a void that still has not been filled three decades later. |
It was a true Socialist manifesto. And the electorate ran a mile.
Socialism has been dead for decades. |  |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 19:41 - Sep 22 with 531 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 19:29 - Sep 22 by Dr_Winston |
It was a true Socialist manifesto. And the electorate ran a mile.
Socialism has been dead for decades. |
Described by Kaufman as "the longest suicide note in history". |  |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:02 - Sep 22 with 524 views | trampie |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 19:29 - Sep 22 by Dr_Winston |
It was a true Socialist manifesto. And the electorate ran a mile.
Socialism has been dead for decades. |
What's relevant is, it was the English electorate that run a mile, the Welsh and Scots voted for it, the break up of the UK is coming, like I said before a ball was kicked not this time of asking but the next time, if England want different things to Wales and Scotland then so be it, far from it for me to force what Wales wants on England but the sentiment is slowly starting to be reciprocated the other way around, well starting to be talked about anyway, the Celtic Autumn is here.  | |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:04 - Sep 22 with 518 views | marchamjack |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 19:41 - Sep 22 by Joe_bradshaw |
Described by Kaufman as "the longest suicide note in history". |
still recall my lecturer at uni in 84/85 telling us that Socialism was now dead
I'd like to see Andy Burnham step up and take a more leading role. Always like listening to him, proper background and labour values as I see him and doesn't look like a muppet. He could easily be the presentable face of the Labour party without turning into Blair and allowing those waivering voters to give Labour a chance with someone who actually looks electable, which Foot and Kinnock never did and now Ed doesn't either I'm afraid |  |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:08 - Sep 22 with 515 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 19:41 - Sep 22 by Joe_bradshaw |
Described by Kaufman as "the longest suicide note in history". |
All true, but it would have been interesting to see what would have happened in 1983 without the Falklands effect. The first Thatcher government was wildly unpopular before the Falklands conflict came about. I still don't think Labour would have won, but I don't think it would have been the 140 seat Tory landslide it turned out to be either. We'll never know. | |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:14 - Sep 22 with 509 views | trampie |
No comment so far, Wales and Scotland voted for socialism in 83', England voted for far right capitalism.
We had to suffer years of Thatcherite policies although we didn't want her policies in our neck of the woods, its uncomfortable for many to confront but are we different politically, socially and culturally to our friends in the East of Britannia ? | |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:21 - Sep 22 with 501 views | Lohengrin |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 19:29 - Sep 22 by Dr_Winston |
It was a true Socialist manifesto. And the electorate ran a mile.
Socialism has been dead for decades. |
I've still got a copy of this somewhere, in a box up the attic probably.
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:28 - Sep 22 with 493 views | Catullus |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 18:59 - Sep 22 by exiledclaseboy |
I've no issue with anyone knocking Kinnock, as long as they get their facts right when they do so. Reddy failed to do that, so did you the last time we spoke about him. Kinnock's not faultless by any means, none of them are.
And yes, he did lose an election the polls said he would win. In 1992. Not in 1987 as you claimed previously. Labour was never going to win that election in a million years. |
My real issue with Kinnock is his hypocrisy in going from Labour leader to EU puppet and taking their shillings.......lots of them. And still being in a commisioners post long after apparently being sacked for.......well lots of reasons, negligence, incompetence and fraud mostly.
His hypocrisy is staggering take this.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26972307.....that link shows his true regard for freedom of information. he wanted an FOI but refused to release information when one actually had come in. Kinnock would have been a disaster in No10.
And as much as I should be a labour voter, working class, ex union rep, I just cannot bring myself to even consider Labour while people Like Milliband, balls, Cooper, Harman etc are it's upper echelon. None of them is fit for power. | |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:33 - Sep 22 with 488 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:14 - Sep 22 by trampie |
No comment so far, Wales and Scotland voted for socialism in 83', England voted for far right capitalism.
We had to suffer years of Thatcherite policies although we didn't want her policies in our neck of the woods, its uncomfortable for many to confront but are we different politically, socially and culturally to our friends in the East of Britannia ? |
I don't think it's uncomfortable for anyone to admit that Wales and Scotland rarely, if ever, vote Conservative. Every Conservative government in living memory has been elected on the back of English votes. That's just a simple statement of fact. | |
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| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:37 - Sep 22 with 485 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Milliband must be replaced now! on 20:21 - Sep 22 by Lohengrin |
I've still got a copy of this somewhere, in a box up the attic probably.
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I had a number of manifestos for various elections going back years but chucked them all when we moved here. That may well have been one of them. Have to say, and I've no doubt this will elicit gales of derision, but I'd have voted for that enthusiastically if I'd been old enough in 1983. Still probably would now. | |
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