| American owners 20:58 - Sep 25 with 31336 views | westx |
Any truth in the rumours that we are about to be sold to some Americans? |  |
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| American owners on 14:48 - Sep 26 with 2594 views | tomdickharry |
| American owners on 14:04 - Sep 26 by westx |
So you don't see the difference between a club with no debt and with plenty of opportunity and a club that is the best part of £200m in debt and in reality no better than Swansea on the pitch. Jesus f*cking wept |
Randy Lerner could releave "his club" of debt at any given time,worth a couple of billion is Mr Lerner.
As a rider Villa Park is far from crumbling is in fact excellent condition. | | | |
| American owners on 14:51 - Sep 26 with 2590 views | westx |
| American owners on 14:48 - Sep 26 by tomdickharry |
Randy Lerner could releave "his club" of debt at any given time,worth a couple of billion is Mr Lerner.
As a rider Villa Park is far from crumbling is in fact excellent condition. |
That would be a good business decision to pay off a massive debt and then sell it and recoup none of the money. I hate to tell you mr tomDICKharry but there is plenty of truth in these rumours got a lot of people backing them up today | |
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| American owners on 14:58 - Sep 26 with 2553 views | Darran |
| American owners on 14:31 - Sep 26 by londonlisa2001 |
It's been widely accepted that Everton have been 'for sale' for many years.
Funnily enough though, there's always quite a lot of speculation about who actually owns them. Kenwright certainly has a stake, although apparently not as high as it used to be through his True Blue company.
Robert Earl is also a major shareholder (the original owner of Hard Rock until he sold it to Rank and the founder of Planet Hollywood) and there have been many rumours over the years that there is a substantial holding by Philip Green (of Arcadia fame).
Substantial financial might right there and although there have been rumours of Indian and Qatari interest I think that it's the stadium which is the sticking point (or it was in the past - don't know whether this is still the case). |
I don't think Robert Earl is the original owner of HRC and I don't think he sold them either.
Cheap Trick have had loads to do with the HRC over the years that's how I know. [Post edited 26 Sep 2014 15:18]
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| American owners on 15:13 - Sep 26 with 2509 views | londonlisa2001 |
| American owners on 14:58 - Sep 26 by Darran |
I don't think Robert Earl is the original owner of HRC and I don't think he sold them either.
Cheap Trick have had loads to do with the HRC over the years that's how I know. [Post edited 26 Sep 2014 15:18]
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Hard Rock was a very complicated history of ownership. 2 people set up the first one in London (Peter Morton who also started Mortons and another American). There were various acrimonious issues over the years and the group ended up being split with half being retained by one and half by the other. Robert Earl was the person behind one half - he was actually the CEO but as they were mostly franchises he owned lots of them). Rank bought half including the franchise rights (through Mecca - I worked for Rank back in those days) and then eventually bought out the rest apart from the Hard Rock Casino in Vegas which always remained separate. For a long time, the HRCs in the States were separately owned from the ones in Europe etc. That's one of the reasons that PH was set up - to take on the US HRCs.
One of the great benefits of having worked for Rank was a lifetime 'beat the queue at Hard Rock' card which I had for years - allowed us to swan past the hundreds queuing outside the one in Piccadilly and get a table - used to be a good place for cocktails many years ago, although I haven't been there for years. | | | |
| American owners on 15:19 - Sep 26 with 2490 views | Darran |
| American owners on 15:13 - Sep 26 by londonlisa2001 |
Hard Rock was a very complicated history of ownership. 2 people set up the first one in London (Peter Morton who also started Mortons and another American). There were various acrimonious issues over the years and the group ended up being split with half being retained by one and half by the other. Robert Earl was the person behind one half - he was actually the CEO but as they were mostly franchises he owned lots of them). Rank bought half including the franchise rights (through Mecca - I worked for Rank back in those days) and then eventually bought out the rest apart from the Hard Rock Casino in Vegas which always remained separate. For a long time, the HRCs in the States were separately owned from the ones in Europe etc. That's one of the reasons that PH was set up - to take on the US HRCs.
One of the great benefits of having worked for Rank was a lifetime 'beat the queue at Hard Rock' card which I had for years - allowed us to swan past the hundreds queuing outside the one in Piccadilly and get a table - used to be a good place for cocktails many years ago, although I haven't been there for years. |
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| American owners on 15:23 - Sep 26 with 2488 views | londonlisa2001 |
| American owners on 15:19 - Sep 26 by Darran |
Do you like Cheap Trick? |
I can honestly say that I have no idea whether I like them or not .....  | | | |
| American owners on 15:27 - Sep 26 with 2472 views | westx |
Been meaning to ask as well why the opening post was down arrowed by three people. Did you not like the wording on the original question? | |
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| American owners on 16:05 - Sep 26 with 2394 views | tomdickharry |
| American owners on 14:51 - Sep 26 by westx |
That would be a good business decision to pay off a massive debt and then sell it and recoup none of the money. I hate to tell you mr tomDICKharry but there is plenty of truth in these rumours got a lot of people backing them up today |
"Releave" translates as convert to equity.
Name names then. | | | |
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| American owners on 16:59 - Sep 26 with 2314 views | Oldjack |
| American owners on 21:36 - Sep 25 by MrSwerve |
Even to add £100m to our transfer funds? |
Beware of strange men bearing gifts ,no more to be said ,we're ok as we are thanks |  |
| Prosser the Tosser dwells on Phil's bum hole like a rusty old hemorrhoid ,fact
You Greedy Bastards Get Out Of OUR Club!
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| American owners on 17:51 - Sep 26 with 2232 views | ruhrjack |
| American owners on 16:59 - Sep 26 by Oldjack |
Beware of strange men bearing gifts ,no more to be said ,we're ok as we are thanks |
Hear,hear. | | | |
| American owners on 09:19 - Sep 27 with 1975 views | MoscowJack |
The question I keep asking myself is what would £100m of investment on the pitch bring us? We can't really expect to be much higher in the table, I love the fact that we buy rough diamonds and polish them (usually) and whatever we spend above what we do now surely carries the threat of debt with it, however that debt is hidden or disguised.
Off the pitch, we can make huge improvements, that's for sure. The Americans can give us exposure to the US of A that would generate a lot more income, but how important is that income now, compared to the SKY TV money? Would it change us hugely or benefit us so much that we have to sell up?
On the other hand, I can understand why two or more of the Directors would want to cash in and get £5m, or whatever it would be. For them, it's possibly a life-changing opportunity for them and their families. We can't pretend that we would walk away from that if we were in that position, can we?
For now, as this has only really been a rumour (although it seems to have a lot of truth to it), we need the Trust. It's quite ironic that we've recently had threads on here talking about how the Trust is good behind the scenes, but that they should be more visible and vocal at times.
Right now, we HAVE to trust the Trust. Their shareholding is what protects us from the next owners and the ones after. There are a lot of extremely clever, caring and passionate people within the Trust and I believe that they would ensure that the best was done for the SAFETY of the future of the club that we all love. Let's also be honest, no owners would dare to take over without the FULL backing and support of the Trust as they could so easily turn the fans against them.
If they don't believe that, there's a good little film in the cinemas at the moment that they might do well to watch! | |
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| American owners on 09:22 - Sep 27 with 1961 views | perchrockjack |
Need a sugar daddy.
Any Russian ones a la roman.. | |
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| American owners on 09:30 - Sep 27 with 1949 views | MoscowJack |
The LAST thing this needs is a sugar-daddy. We need to keep the stability that we've had for the last 12+ years, don't we?
Just look at Fulham and Blackburn as recent examples of stable clubs who've completely lost their shape since new owners came in. It was almost overnight too. It's so scary.
I'm not worried about relegation, but losing our identity and building huge debt. We've done well so far and I personally really don't want any change unless it's absolutely essential to our survival. | |
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| American owners on 09:33 - Sep 27 with 1942 views | Uxbridge |
| American owners on 09:30 - Sep 27 by MoscowJack |
The LAST thing this needs is a sugar-daddy. We need to keep the stability that we've had for the last 12+ years, don't we?
Just look at Fulham and Blackburn as recent examples of stable clubs who've completely lost their shape since new owners came in. It was almost overnight too. It's so scary.
I'm not worried about relegation, but losing our identity and building huge debt. We've done well so far and I personally really don't want any change unless it's absolutely essential to our survival. |
Completely agree. The status quo is serving us very well and it'd be a worrying development if that ever changed. If. |  |
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| American owners on 09:35 - Sep 27 with 1932 views | perchrockjack |
Nick.
Allow me to elaborate.
I'm not on any investor per se as by definition they are looking primarily for a good return before all else.
I d rather a local man made good like jack walker who basically transformed Blackburn as they were his club..
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| American owners on 09:49 - Sep 27 with 1915 views | monmouth |
| American owners on 09:19 - Sep 27 by MoscowJack |
The question I keep asking myself is what would £100m of investment on the pitch bring us? We can't really expect to be much higher in the table, I love the fact that we buy rough diamonds and polish them (usually) and whatever we spend above what we do now surely carries the threat of debt with it, however that debt is hidden or disguised.
Off the pitch, we can make huge improvements, that's for sure. The Americans can give us exposure to the US of A that would generate a lot more income, but how important is that income now, compared to the SKY TV money? Would it change us hugely or benefit us so much that we have to sell up?
On the other hand, I can understand why two or more of the Directors would want to cash in and get £5m, or whatever it would be. For them, it's possibly a life-changing opportunity for them and their families. We can't pretend that we would walk away from that if we were in that position, can we?
For now, as this has only really been a rumour (although it seems to have a lot of truth to it), we need the Trust. It's quite ironic that we've recently had threads on here talking about how the Trust is good behind the scenes, but that they should be more visible and vocal at times.
Right now, we HAVE to trust the Trust. Their shareholding is what protects us from the next owners and the ones after. There are a lot of extremely clever, caring and passionate people within the Trust and I believe that they would ensure that the best was done for the SAFETY of the future of the club that we all love. Let's also be honest, no owners would dare to take over without the FULL backing and support of the Trust as they could so easily turn the fans against them.
If they don't believe that, there's a good little film in the cinemas at the moment that they might do well to watch! |
This is what I was trying to say, but you've said it much better. ta.
I am extraordinarily proud of what we are. NOW. More growth against the odds and dancing to a different drum is what defines Swansea City to me. Any success is fresh, welcomed and celebrated properly in the light of experiencing the depths, never expected or taken for granted because of cash.
Not foreign sacks full of unconnected cash to try to become Everton, Villa, or equally likely, Bolton, Leicester or Sunderland.
Even taking Man City...they were a much more interesting and authentic club before the became a plaything, and what they have become is so unappealing with what were really great humorous fans, crying if they don't win games and championships. As time passes that will simply become more so. Nope; as far as I'm concerned you can stuff that up your yankee doodle dandy.
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| American owners on 09:50 - Sep 27 with 1913 views | MoscowJack |
Perchie,
The "local man made good" is already the majority shareholder!
To take us to another level, it would need £100s of millions. Right now, we're a mid-table team and I accept (happily) that we're not going to get a lot higher than that. Top 8 is a possibility, but higher is unlikely.
To get into the Top 6, we would need approximately £300m-£500m nowadays. That's not going to happen unless we sell our souls like our poor red cousins up the road.
Let's keep on doing what we're doing and see what happens. If/when we go down, we'll be debt free and still strong, unlike almost every relegated team in the PL history.
THIS is the Swansea Way, Mr. Ness! | |
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| American owners on 09:55 - Sep 27 with 1891 views | Darran |
I don't suppose I'm the only one to be told this but a very very good sauce at the club has just told me that there has been some interest from an Americam party but nobody at the club is looking to sell because there quite simply hasn't been an offer.
So to reply to the OP we are not about to be sold to some Americans. | |
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| American owners on 09:56 - Sep 27 with 1884 views | perchrockjack |
Nick
I know and agree with your sentiments.
I just want us to consolidate our club and remain THE template for all football clubs.
There are very few Jack Walker s around. Im no socialist but Im pretty distrustful of "money men" investing ina club so a sugar dad seems to be our best shot.
If not ,then we carry on as we are and continue to be a source of pride to Swansea.
This Board have created a legacy that I believe will sustain and is something that is truly a fairy story come true.
I m almost bored with "scoucers" telling me how much they admire us. Its actually embarrassing as it kills any banter. | |
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| American owners on 10:03 - Sep 27 with 1881 views | monmouth |
Perch, I wouldn't want cash from a 'jack walker' type either. I want our success to be earned, not gifted, and if that means we have maxed out so be it. Blackburn bought a league title as did Man City and chelsea, everyone knows it so why do they deserve any respect at all for that? It could have been anyone. they should have been called jack Walker rovers, and Sheikh City and Abramovitch Scumbags. That is the reality, and it's, again just a personal view, not something I aspire to for our club. | |
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| American owners on 10:12 - Sep 27 with 1854 views | johnlangy |
| American owners on 09:15 - Sep 26 by scottishjack |
Apart from the mess at Liverpool a few years back (picked up by another American), American owners have done fairly well by the clubs they have owned over here, even the Glazier family at Man United haven't been shy to invest in players.
Guess it would be down to the shareholders to decide whether or not something was the right deal for the club. |
I forget the specific numbers but this is what the Glaziers did.
They borrowed £700 m or so to buy Man U then put the debt onto the Club. Since then the Club has been servicing the debt to the tune of about £40 m per year before even a penny is paid off. And I don't imagine they are running the Club for nothing. What our board have taken out of the Swans over the last couple of seasons would be chicken feed compared with what the Glaziers have paid themselves. | | | |
| American owners on 10:49 - Sep 27 with 1813 views | marchamjack |
No idea whether there's any foundation to these rumours or not, but if they are true then I've certainly got a view.
The club has managed to get itself into a position (top half of Premier League) that is realistically as far as we can ever get to (never going to break into top 7 say over any sustained period of time and no investor is going to put in the literally 100's of millions we'd need to to do that). We've got there by being a club that virtually everyone I speak to (being an exile) admires and wants to aspire to with their own club. That makes me so proud and what makes our club special and unique (certainly at this level). Yes, the club has moved a little away from us fans over the years in the Premier League, but that's inevitable really given where the club now is. Having said that, if you want to meet the players or have a drink with the directors, you can go down to Morgans or bump into them in the street. There's no other Premier League club where that happens and when I tell people, they can barely beleive me and are incredulous, which to me says everything about their clubs and all about our club being so different.
You look at what's happened up the road with outside money and have a look at their messageboards and there's a clear disconnect with their club and the fans don't recognise it or care much about it either. Not just citing them, look at Man City, Chelsea, bet their fans don't recognice the clubs they used to be and they are just massive corporations really with little connection to their communities. I like our specialness compared to that and if our club became just another franchise almost, then I know I'd lose a lot of the feeling for the club and once our uniqueness was gone we'd never get it back and we'd be just another Premiership team. I'd always suport us of course, but I'd hate to lose that specialness we have and which others wish they had.
Having said all that, if I was LD or HJ or JVZ etc, ordinary blokes who are now sitting on shares worth literally millions of pounds and could sell them on to set myself and my family and my children up for life, there would be a huge temptation to do so. I couldn't blame them certainly. I very much hope they don't, but if they did, well, they've more than done their bit to get us here and as I say, even I recognise we've reached our glass ceiling really in the Premiership.
My views here don't get us any further on this debate because in the end, if the directors decide to sell their shares then that's what they'll do. I will at that time though certainly be looking to the Trust to stay involved and probably at that time too, to become vocal (if that's the right word) in using whatever leverage it can to keep the fans involved and to avoid the club moving entirely away from us supporters, which in the end of all of this, is by far my biggest fear really in any possible takeover by outsiders. |  |
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| American owners on 11:20 - Sep 27 with 1777 views | ScoobyWho |
If the board cash in now they will walk away millionaires. Regardless of the view on that their priority has to be to leave the club in good order, and not in the Dougie the sharpe did with that feller from Birmingham way ?... Thompson ? |  |
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| American owners on 12:45 - Sep 27 with 1690 views | Starsky |
| American owners on 11:20 - Sep 27 by ScoobyWho |
If the board cash in now they will walk away millionaires. Regardless of the view on that their priority has to be to leave the club in good order, and not in the Dougie the sharpe did with that feller from Birmingham way ?... Thompson ? |
Can you imagine if they'd made another film ...
A prequel "Swansea City, the Thompson/Cullis era"
The cinema goers wouldn't believe that one!
What would we call that movie? 'From a Jack to a Quim'? [Post edited 27 Sep 2014 12:45]
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| American owners on 12:50 - Sep 27 with 1681 views | Starsky |
| American owners on 09:19 - Sep 27 by MoscowJack |
The question I keep asking myself is what would £100m of investment on the pitch bring us? We can't really expect to be much higher in the table, I love the fact that we buy rough diamonds and polish them (usually) and whatever we spend above what we do now surely carries the threat of debt with it, however that debt is hidden or disguised.
Off the pitch, we can make huge improvements, that's for sure. The Americans can give us exposure to the US of A that would generate a lot more income, but how important is that income now, compared to the SKY TV money? Would it change us hugely or benefit us so much that we have to sell up?
On the other hand, I can understand why two or more of the Directors would want to cash in and get £5m, or whatever it would be. For them, it's possibly a life-changing opportunity for them and their families. We can't pretend that we would walk away from that if we were in that position, can we?
For now, as this has only really been a rumour (although it seems to have a lot of truth to it), we need the Trust. It's quite ironic that we've recently had threads on here talking about how the Trust is good behind the scenes, but that they should be more visible and vocal at times.
Right now, we HAVE to trust the Trust. Their shareholding is what protects us from the next owners and the ones after. There are a lot of extremely clever, caring and passionate people within the Trust and I believe that they would ensure that the best was done for the SAFETY of the future of the club that we all love. Let's also be honest, no owners would dare to take over without the FULL backing and support of the Trust as they could so easily turn the fans against them.
If they don't believe that, there's a good little film in the cinemas at the moment that they might do well to watch! |
Excellent post.
The FFP would put a halt to a surge in big money signings from new rich ownership.
The only thing they could spend their money on is a new big 50,000 stadium which would be half empty for a lot of the games anyway. | |
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