| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? 23:42 - Oct 16 with 39963 views | jackrabbit |
You'd think so from all the pompous pontification dominating the airwaves in the last few days. Pompous-Prat-in-Chief, Nick Clegg piled in with his fourpennorth today and in true Cleggy style managed to sway me right over onto the side of Evans. I had not given it much thought or had an opinion before - I wasn't that aware of Evans either as a footballer or a person - but I decided to read about the case.
From what I understand he went bed pissed wth a pissed-up 19 year old and sex took place - there was no physical violence. I wasn't there so i don't know the precise details. There was another person involved but he got off relatively mildly - Evans received a hefty jail term.
Now having served his fairly hefty sentence, he is being threatened with denial of his right to earn a living by continuing his career.
Now rape is a foul and terrible crime. However I have problem with some of these situations being described as 'rape'. Without being crass, when does 'persuasive and persistent seduction' carry over into 'rape'? I always thought it was when it was accompanied by force or violence to get your way. I am so glad I'm an old fart and was young when I was young in the 60s and 70s.
Since time immemorial women (and men) have woken up, taken one look at the head on the pillow next to them and instantly regretted the night before. Usually it has been logged under 'big mistake - not to be repeated' and then the person has just gone away and carried on with life. Je ne regrette rien. There was a song about it. Now all too often there is the cry of 'RAPE!' And the inevitable court case. As I say I'm talking generally and not specifically about the Evans case, but I am uneasy about the vilification that's taking place and I certainly see no reason why he should not return to his day job, - playing football.
Let all those who have not had a pissed-up one-night stand with a pissed-up bird, cast the first stone.
I'm now going to brace myself for the abuse! |  | | |  |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 12:46 - Oct 19 with 2504 views | raynor94 |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 11:46 - Oct 19 by swanny |
I hope they double his sentence an haul him back inside. |
Well said swanny, what's going on now is very unedifying |  |
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| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 12:51 - Oct 19 with 2496 views | Spratty |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 12:37 - Oct 19 by swanny |
...aaah - but you are pre supposing football supporters to be rational, whereas the most rational and thoughtful of individuals may be prone to one eyed blindness when it comes to football.
Doesn't make them bad people. |
It does if they continually harass and abuse other people for every comment no matter how innocent or reasonable. More especially when in a position of power and abuse that power.
I am not supposing. As a long term football supporter of this club, a long term season ticket holder and regular away supporter I think I was entitled as any to my opinion without continual and sustained abuse.
Such behaviour IMHO is abusive and should not be supported by reasonable people who regard abuse as unacceptable. |  | | |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 12:52 - Oct 19 with 2489 views | swanny |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 12:51 - Oct 19 by Spratty |
It does if they continually harass and abuse other people for every comment no matter how innocent or reasonable. More especially when in a position of power and abuse that power.
I am not supposing. As a long term football supporter of this club, a long term season ticket holder and regular away supporter I think I was entitled as any to my opinion without continual and sustained abuse.
Such behaviour IMHO is abusive and should not be supported by reasonable people who regard abuse as unacceptable. |
*sigh* ok |  |
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| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 13:05 - Oct 19 with 2467 views | skippyjack |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 12:37 - Oct 19 by swanny |
...aaah - but you are pre supposing football supporters to be rational, whereas the most rational and thoughtful of individuals may be prone to one eyed blindness when it comes to football.
Doesn't make them bad people. |
If you're looking at it in a rational 'older' 'experienced' viewpoint.. he didn't rape her.. it was a moment of young drunken stupidity on all parts.. it's not as if he purposely went out to 'hurt' the girl.. he thought he'd be a clever tw*t and get his mates to film it all.. I'd put it down as..
Inexperienced stupidity while intoxicated on all parts.. does he deserve to play football?.. Well other people have had the injustice of this sort.. so you know.. but the thing that should go in Evans favour... the aftermath..
The Victim apparently started boasting after the verdict.. the most astonishing one is his girlfriend.. she's actually gone on TV and papers pleading his innocence.. you know what the motive behind that is... Money.. That's all women are driven by in this day and age.. especially young ones.. when they get older.. they'll learn a lot more. |  |
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| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 13:51 - Oct 19 with 2422 views | perchrockjack |
Skippy.
Frankly, that s incredible and I was going to respond but not sure if I can or want to. |  |
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| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:06 - Oct 19 with 2399 views | skippyjack |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 13:51 - Oct 19 by perchrockjack |
Skippy.
Frankly, that s incredible and I was going to respond but not sure if I can or want to. |
I'm not defending Evans.. if the reports are correct that she couldn't remember anything from the kebab shop.. why wasn't the other bloke charged.. plus her apparent 'boasting' of the ordeal afterwards.. but I don't know the facts.. Evans is pleading his innocence.. but I'm not the law... | |
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| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:10 - Oct 19 with 2396 views | jackonicko |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:06 - Oct 19 by skippyjack |
I'm not defending Evans.. if the reports are correct that she couldn't remember anything from the kebab shop.. why wasn't the other bloke charged.. plus her apparent 'boasting' of the ordeal afterwards.. but I don't know the facts.. Evans is pleading his innocence.. but I'm not the law... |
Can I suggest you go read them then. And not from Ched Evans website. The summary from the court of appeal is only about 10 pages and easily accessible from Google.
I'm with Perch. That is frankly incredible. |  | | |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:16 - Oct 19 with 2385 views | skippyjack |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:10 - Oct 19 by jackonicko |
Can I suggest you go read them then. And not from Ched Evans website. The summary from the court of appeal is only about 10 pages and easily accessible from Google.
I'm with Perch. That is frankly incredible. |
I can't find it | |
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| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:22 - Oct 19 with 2373 views | Shaky |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:16 - Oct 19 by skippyjack |
I can't find it |
Neither can I.
Link please, noclue. |  |
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| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:24 - Oct 19 with 2356 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:16 - Oct 19 by skippyjack |
I can't find it |
may I respectfully suggest then that you try to refrain from making sweeping judgements about rape, innocence or guilt and the motives of all women until you are least competent enough to be able to use google? | | | |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:25 - Oct 19 with 2355 views | perchrockjack |
Just as well we weren't around for the Nuremberg trials | |
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| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:25 - Oct 19 with 2353 views | Shaky |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 11:46 - Oct 19 by swanny |
I hope they double his sentence an haul him back inside. |
i personally hope to find a pixie in my garden tomorrow morning, with a silk purse containing an inexhaustible supply of fresh £50 notes I can dispose over at my sole discretion.
And objectively speaking, the odds of my hope turning into reality are significantly shorter than on yours; FACT! | |
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| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:27 - Oct 19 with 2348 views | jackonicko |
Thanks, Spratty.
If you put the words Ched, Evans and Judgment into the Google search bar, it's the first response that comes up. I wonder how some people even manage to get dressed by themselves sometimes. | | | |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:28 - Oct 19 with 2345 views | Shaky |
Yes, I've seen that and very interesting it is too, but clearly not the document containing the "summary from the court of appeal" that noclue unequivocally refers to. | |
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| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:28 - Oct 19 with 2344 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:25 - Oct 19 by perchrockjack |
Just as well we weren't around for the Nuremberg trials |
You'd have had a lot on here believing that the best place for info would have been 'adolf.com' and that the court showed a strongly provincial attitude to the ways in which the Nazis of the 1930s and 40s liked to behave on a p*ssed up night out. | | | |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:29 - Oct 19 with 2339 views | jackonicko |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:28 - Oct 19 by Shaky |
Yes, I've seen that and very interesting it is too, but clearly not the document containing the "summary from the court of appeal" that noclue unequivocally refers to. |
Did you click the 'full transcript' button like Spratty suggested?
It's not that hard you know. | | | |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:30 - Oct 19 with 2334 views | Shaky |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:27 - Oct 19 by jackonicko |
Thanks, Spratty.
If you put the words Ched, Evans and Judgment into the Google search bar, it's the first response that comes up. I wonder how some people even manage to get dressed by themselves sometimes. |
Got it.
So when you pompously referred to the "summary from the court of appeal" you were just making up some important sounding bullshit to make yourself sound superior and highly knowledgeable. W@nker that you are. | |
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| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:32 - Oct 19 with 2329 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:29 - Oct 19 by jackonicko |
Did you click the 'full transcript' button like Spratty suggested?
It's not that hard you know. |
it may be after the Wolf of Wall Street has spent the last 12 hours on a drug induced haze of non provincial depravity to be fair... | | | |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:32 - Oct 19 with 2326 views | Spratty |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:25 - Oct 19 by Shaky |
i personally hope to find a pixie in my garden tomorrow morning, with a silk purse containing an inexhaustible supply of fresh £50 notes I can dispose over at my sole discretion.
And objectively speaking, the odds of my hope turning into reality are significantly shorter than on yours; FACT! |
Now that is a delightful image | | | |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:38 - Oct 19 with 2310 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:32 - Oct 19 by Spratty |
Now that is a delightful image |
It's about as real as most of the stuff that Wolfie posts on here. | | | |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:39 - Oct 19 with 2308 views | Spratty |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:30 - Oct 19 by Shaky |
Got it.
So when you pompously referred to the "summary from the court of appeal" you were just making up some important sounding bullshit to make yourself sound superior and highly knowledgeable. W@nker that you are. |
Or oooops sorry did not press the full transcript button as instructed | | | |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:45 - Oct 19 with 2296 views | jackonicko |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:30 - Oct 19 by Shaky |
Got it.
So when you pompously referred to the "summary from the court of appeal" you were just making up some important sounding bullshit to make yourself sound superior and highly knowledgeable. W@nker that you are. |
Aw. Wolfie is a little bit rattled.
Nothing on the content either. We'll have to start referring to you as Shaky of the Blarney, rather than Shaky of the Bailey. So much obfuscation, so much noise, so little light. | | | |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:47 - Oct 19 with 2291 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:06 - Oct 19 by skippyjack |
I'm not defending Evans.. if the reports are correct that she couldn't remember anything from the kebab shop.. why wasn't the other bloke charged.. plus her apparent 'boasting' of the ordeal afterwards.. but I don't know the facts.. Evans is pleading his innocence.. but I'm not the law... |
"boasting"?
Care to provide any evidence to support that claim?
That's something Evans' sister and girlfriend have claimed. They also claimed the victim was money grabbing despite the fact the victim has given precisely zero interviews since the event.
As others have said, read the facts rather than the self serving bs the Evans family put out. Preserving the earning potential of their meal ticket is their priority. | |
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| Ched Evans - is he the evil incarnate? on 14:47 - Oct 19 with 2290 views | skippyjack |
Still not conclusive.. and jackonicko.. you have no idea. | |
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