| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 10:34 - Oct 20 with 933 views | icecoldjack |
Well if you look at the second goal again you can see Taylor has eyes on a player in front of him but another one moves into the zone effectively making it two on one , I fault him for not attacking the space mind, but it's worth thinking about why they had a two on one situation innour box rather than just saying it's all tailors fault.
A classic case of our defensive unit not working well as a back four and a case of our midfield not being switched on either.
Overall Taylor played well it's our collective defensive shape that is more of a worry for me IMO . |  | |  |
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 10:34 - Oct 20 by icecoldjack |
Well if you look at the second goal again you can see Taylor has eyes on a player in front of him but another one moves into the zone effectively making it two on one , I fault him for not attacking the space mind, but it's worth thinking about why they had a two on one situation innour box rather than just saying it's all tailors fault.
A classic case of our defensive unit not working well as a back four and a case of our midfield not being switched on either.
Overall Taylor played well it's our collective defensive shape that is more of a worry for me IMO . |
That wasn't Taylor's fault yesterday - being left with 2 to mark in the box, not for me.
Rangel gave a very sloppy pass from the right back area (unlike him in fairness) it was easily intercepted as it wasn't really going towards any of our players. Bony, who is a big worry at the moment as he's clearly feeling last season's pressure and seems to be worrying about his big bucks move more than his game, challenged pathetically in the middle of the park, their guy passing him with ease with a massive gap in front of him - because Monk had gone 4-4-2 (!!??) - which in my opinion is the real reason Monk is so rattled...for making that change and losing us the game.
...and then Fernandez gets pulled right out of position leaving a back three instead of four with Ash getting drawn to Crouch and the gap behind.
To blame Taylor for that goal is ridiculous. |  |
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 10:48 - Oct 20 with 901 views | AnotherJohn |
Still think it was a very soft penalty, but the Stoke fans are posting an interesting photograph showing that Rangel had a handful of shirt. What I'm not sure about is how closely this moment coincides with Moses' knees buckling in real time. |  | | |
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 10:48 - Oct 20 by AnotherJohn |
Still think it was a very soft penalty, but the Stoke fans are posting an interesting photograph showing that Rangel had a handful of shirt. What I'm not sure about is how closely this moment coincides with Moses' knees buckling in real time. |
I have just seen those photos... Unfortunately Rangel has a chunk of Moses' shirt and that's why he's gone down...not because that made him go down but because he was clearly being held back, no matter how forceful it was, Moses tested the referee who was clearly trying to apply the rules by the sheer letter of the law yesterday.
That wouldn't have made his legs buckle I totally agree but it would have impeded him, not by much, but still... | |
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 10:56 - Oct 20 with 884 views | icecoldjack |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 10:46 - Oct 20 by _ |
That wasn't Taylor's fault yesterday - being left with 2 to mark in the box, not for me.
Rangel gave a very sloppy pass from the right back area (unlike him in fairness) it was easily intercepted as it wasn't really going towards any of our players. Bony, who is a big worry at the moment as he's clearly feeling last season's pressure and seems to be worrying about his big bucks move more than his game, challenged pathetically in the middle of the park, their guy passing him with ease with a massive gap in front of him - because Monk had gone 4-4-2 (!!??) - which in my opinion is the real reason Monk is so rattled...for making that change and losing us the game.
...and then Fernandez gets pulled right out of position leaving a back three instead of four with Ash getting drawn to Crouch and the gap behind.
To blame Taylor for that goal is ridiculous. |
I agree.
Though I do think monk tried to keep the same formation with bony dropping deeper and gomis going up top , problem then was siggy and bony perhaps not being in natural positions which at this level you get punished for.
I'm convinced monk didn't really go all out to buy a specialist deep laying midfielder purely because britton would be his number 1 and money was used elsewhere instead, it's looking like a gamble gone wrong a little bit .
I don't seem to have the same confidence when we go in front these days, it's a question of when not if the opposition gets a goal back and that ain't a good thing if teams know they can crack us when applying a bit of pressure. | | | |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 10:57 - Oct 20 with 881 views | StokeFan |
OK, I'm guessing that Stoke fans aren't very welcome on this forum at the moment but I figured I'd come in and give at least some perspective from our end. It's actually nice to see a forum where you aren't all calling us 'horrible people' and 'greasy inbred scum' which is what we're used to from the likes of Arsenal , Chelsea etc. We're just normal fans like you, so kudos for keeping it civil :)
I'm not a TV fan btw, I sit in the Boothen End if you're wondering, so directly opposite yourselves.
I'll get straight to it, as far as I'm concerned, neither were penalties for me. By the letter of the law, both were by definition penalties but if that's what football has become then it's not the game I grew up with. For the first penalty, tussling like that goes on in the box at every game in the football league. As has been pointed out, Crouch is given a good tug by Taylor(was it?) and there's another where Ashley Williams seems to get a good chunk of Crouch which was in the second half. To me, that's all fair game and is just part and parcel of football. Perhaps opinions on that are changing now, but it'll be a shame when football becomes a non-contact Arsene Wenger sport and there's no such thing as tackling or challenging. Not that I'm accusing Bony of anything, but for a guy who is incredibly strong outside of the box, he did seem to go down easy in the box, as evidenced by his repeated falls under ANY kind of contact. He absolutely battered Shawcross most of the game so it was odd when I saw Wilson (a fairly weak player) bring him down under not much contact.
I do wonder how much of it was Michael Oliver's desperation to be 'the' celebrity ref who gave the penalty for tussling in the box. What with the MOTD attack on Shawcross a few weeks ago it was no surprise when it was given. 15 minutes of fame, funny how it backfired mind.
The second penalty was a dive for me, but again by the letter of the law there's a tiny amount of conduct so it's a penalty. Not what I like to see though, and although at first from where I sat it looked blatant, TV replays show there isn't much contact at all. I don't believe Oliver was influenced by the crowd as those muppets on MOTD suggested, but I do believe he was trying to even it up. Of course, he could have saved all the nonsense by just not giving either penalty.
I noticed one of you mentioned Walters coming on however most Stoke fans believe that it was Geoff Cameron who changed the game for us. We missed Glenn Whelan in midfield and in the first half, you were waltzing through and really should have been out of sight. Once Cameron came on with about 20 minutes to go, we looked a more solid outfit again. It gave N'Zonzi the freedom to push up and Cameron was only player to effectively deal with Bony as we saw in the build-up to the goal. He certainly made the difference in my opinion.
For what it's worth, it may come as little consolation but in my opinion you're by far the best team to come to the Britannia this season. In fact, excluding Man City, you're the best team we've played this season. Yes, we lost to Villa, Leicester and Sunderland but all three of those games involved a shit tonne of luck for them and none for us. Yesterday, you played far better than all three of those and the game simply involved some luck for us and not much for you with you missing your chances, especially the Sigurdsson which had us behind the goal in disbelief.
You're not going down, I wouldn't worry about that.
Good luck for the season and hopefully see you at the away game! :) | | | |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:00 - Oct 20 with 875 views | Phil_S |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 10:25 - Oct 20 by Brynmill_Jack |
They'll fit in well in the championship which is the future unless everyone at SCFC wakes up and pulls their fingers out. |
Seriously? |  | | |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:07 - Oct 20 with 853 views | icecoldjack |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 10:57 - Oct 20 by StokeFan |
OK, I'm guessing that Stoke fans aren't very welcome on this forum at the moment but I figured I'd come in and give at least some perspective from our end. It's actually nice to see a forum where you aren't all calling us 'horrible people' and 'greasy inbred scum' which is what we're used to from the likes of Arsenal , Chelsea etc. We're just normal fans like you, so kudos for keeping it civil :)
I'm not a TV fan btw, I sit in the Boothen End if you're wondering, so directly opposite yourselves.
I'll get straight to it, as far as I'm concerned, neither were penalties for me. By the letter of the law, both were by definition penalties but if that's what football has become then it's not the game I grew up with. For the first penalty, tussling like that goes on in the box at every game in the football league. As has been pointed out, Crouch is given a good tug by Taylor(was it?) and there's another where Ashley Williams seems to get a good chunk of Crouch which was in the second half. To me, that's all fair game and is just part and parcel of football. Perhaps opinions on that are changing now, but it'll be a shame when football becomes a non-contact Arsene Wenger sport and there's no such thing as tackling or challenging. Not that I'm accusing Bony of anything, but for a guy who is incredibly strong outside of the box, he did seem to go down easy in the box, as evidenced by his repeated falls under ANY kind of contact. He absolutely battered Shawcross most of the game so it was odd when I saw Wilson (a fairly weak player) bring him down under not much contact.
I do wonder how much of it was Michael Oliver's desperation to be 'the' celebrity ref who gave the penalty for tussling in the box. What with the MOTD attack on Shawcross a few weeks ago it was no surprise when it was given. 15 minutes of fame, funny how it backfired mind.
The second penalty was a dive for me, but again by the letter of the law there's a tiny amount of conduct so it's a penalty. Not what I like to see though, and although at first from where I sat it looked blatant, TV replays show there isn't much contact at all. I don't believe Oliver was influenced by the crowd as those muppets on MOTD suggested, but I do believe he was trying to even it up. Of course, he could have saved all the nonsense by just not giving either penalty.
I noticed one of you mentioned Walters coming on however most Stoke fans believe that it was Geoff Cameron who changed the game for us. We missed Glenn Whelan in midfield and in the first half, you were waltzing through and really should have been out of sight. Once Cameron came on with about 20 minutes to go, we looked a more solid outfit again. It gave N'Zonzi the freedom to push up and Cameron was only player to effectively deal with Bony as we saw in the build-up to the goal. He certainly made the difference in my opinion.
For what it's worth, it may come as little consolation but in my opinion you're by far the best team to come to the Britannia this season. In fact, excluding Man City, you're the best team we've played this season. Yes, we lost to Villa, Leicester and Sunderland but all three of those games involved a shit tonne of luck for them and none for us. Yesterday, you played far better than all three of those and the game simply involved some luck for us and not much for you with you missing your chances, especially the Sigurdsson which had us behind the goal in disbelief.
You're not going down, I wouldn't worry about that.
Good luck for the season and hopefully see you at the away game! :) |
Cameron had a stormer for you guys when he came on, tactically we didn't react to it and he was able to start putting our midfield on the back foot almost single handed !
I thought the ref did well overall, nobody would have argued if the game had been a draw but I think you edged us out on the tactical subs and that's what won it for you.
Monk IMO has deflected attention from this part of the game and no doubt it's an area he needs to improve upon.
Newcastle changed things and we didn't do anying until the 86th minute, I felt monk got that one wrong as well.
Overall im not too disappointed to lose but the way we played for 50 mins should have given us a better reward . Somebody needs to tell our players the game lasts for 90 odd minutes though ! [Post edited 20 Oct 2014 11:09]
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:10 - Oct 20 with 843 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:00 - Oct 20 by Phil_S |
Seriously? |
Ok overreaction! But I think we've made a dreadful mistake in not replacing Leon (who we knew would be out for a good while) and Ben kept Taylor out of the side for a reason last season. And Rangel is thirty feckin two for crying out loud. In short all 3 positions should have been reinforced.
So no we won't get relegated this season but I was kind of hoping for better than merely "avoiding relegation". |  |
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:11 - Oct 20 with 839 views | LeonisGod |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 21:31 - Oct 19 by skippyjack |
I've also noticed Fernandez hasn't settled well.. Williams ball watching again... Oh tommy tommy is right.. We miss jordi amat.. |
Fernandez looks solid and calm to me in defence. Some people have criticised his distribution. But he's averaging 87% pass completion rate, which isn't bad at all. I suspect the reason he's always looking to play out higher risk balls to Bony is that (a) that seems to be our main route now and is being coached, and (b) there's probably a lack of movement/options immediately in front on him. |  | | |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:14 - Oct 20 with 828 views | _ |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 10:57 - Oct 20 by StokeFan |
OK, I'm guessing that Stoke fans aren't very welcome on this forum at the moment but I figured I'd come in and give at least some perspective from our end. It's actually nice to see a forum where you aren't all calling us 'horrible people' and 'greasy inbred scum' which is what we're used to from the likes of Arsenal , Chelsea etc. We're just normal fans like you, so kudos for keeping it civil :)
I'm not a TV fan btw, I sit in the Boothen End if you're wondering, so directly opposite yourselves.
I'll get straight to it, as far as I'm concerned, neither were penalties for me. By the letter of the law, both were by definition penalties but if that's what football has become then it's not the game I grew up with. For the first penalty, tussling like that goes on in the box at every game in the football league. As has been pointed out, Crouch is given a good tug by Taylor(was it?) and there's another where Ashley Williams seems to get a good chunk of Crouch which was in the second half. To me, that's all fair game and is just part and parcel of football. Perhaps opinions on that are changing now, but it'll be a shame when football becomes a non-contact Arsene Wenger sport and there's no such thing as tackling or challenging. Not that I'm accusing Bony of anything, but for a guy who is incredibly strong outside of the box, he did seem to go down easy in the box, as evidenced by his repeated falls under ANY kind of contact. He absolutely battered Shawcross most of the game so it was odd when I saw Wilson (a fairly weak player) bring him down under not much contact.
I do wonder how much of it was Michael Oliver's desperation to be 'the' celebrity ref who gave the penalty for tussling in the box. What with the MOTD attack on Shawcross a few weeks ago it was no surprise when it was given. 15 minutes of fame, funny how it backfired mind.
The second penalty was a dive for me, but again by the letter of the law there's a tiny amount of conduct so it's a penalty. Not what I like to see though, and although at first from where I sat it looked blatant, TV replays show there isn't much contact at all. I don't believe Oliver was influenced by the crowd as those muppets on MOTD suggested, but I do believe he was trying to even it up. Of course, he could have saved all the nonsense by just not giving either penalty.
I noticed one of you mentioned Walters coming on however most Stoke fans believe that it was Geoff Cameron who changed the game for us. We missed Glenn Whelan in midfield and in the first half, you were waltzing through and really should have been out of sight. Once Cameron came on with about 20 minutes to go, we looked a more solid outfit again. It gave N'Zonzi the freedom to push up and Cameron was only player to effectively deal with Bony as we saw in the build-up to the goal. He certainly made the difference in my opinion.
For what it's worth, it may come as little consolation but in my opinion you're by far the best team to come to the Britannia this season. In fact, excluding Man City, you're the best team we've played this season. Yes, we lost to Villa, Leicester and Sunderland but all three of those games involved a shit tonne of luck for them and none for us. Yesterday, you played far better than all three of those and the game simply involved some luck for us and not much for you with you missing your chances, especially the Sigurdsson which had us behind the goal in disbelief.
You're not going down, I wouldn't worry about that.
Good luck for the season and hopefully see you at the away game! :) |
Firstly, you wouldn't want to be welcome on here. That's not how your boys operate and fair play to you all.
You definitely, 100% influenced the ref into giving that pen. It was impressive in fairness and there's not many grounds that can do that. It's something, you, us and Cardiff have in common. We've all had some good battles over the years.
The thing with our pen is a little more cut and dried for my liking. Yes, you and Hughes can argue as much as you like about that sort of stuff going on - but that was a pretty clear example of when these sorts of pens are given - and they are, just not very often. The ref was standing 4 yards away and Shawcross gave him no option. Oliver knew that he would be hung out to dry if he "didn't" give it.
Look, it goes on, it will again and i'm pretty sure nothing much will change - but, the sheer blatant ones will get punished and that was sheer blatant.
3 points for you and as much as you say we are the best side you've played - well, I would believe you if you were talking about the first half hour perhaps. Certainly not the rest. | |
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:15 - Oct 20 with 824 views | StokeFan |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:07 - Oct 20 by icecoldjack |
Cameron had a stormer for you guys when he came on, tactically we didn't react to it and he was able to start putting our midfield on the back foot almost single handed !
I thought the ref did well overall, nobody would have argued if the game had been a draw but I think you edged us out on the tactical subs and that's what won it for you.
Monk IMO has deflected attention from this part of the game and no doubt it's an area he needs to improve upon.
Newcastle changed things and we didn't do anying until the 86th minute, I felt monk got that one wrong as well.
Overall im not too disappointed to lose but the way we played for 50 mins should have given us a better reward . Somebody needs to tell our players the game lasts for 90 odd minutes though ! [Post edited 20 Oct 2014 11:09]
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The problem is the chances you missed. The Sigurdsson one was criminal really. You just don't get chances like that very often and to mess it up so badly he should get a right bollocking for. You take the lead there, I think you'd have probably won comfortably. When you scored the penalty, the guy behind said "we could be 3 nil down by now" that's really how much of the play you had. I think we all feared the worst. To ring that old cliché, it's a game of two halves and truly yesterday was an example of that.
While you didn't react to Hughes subs, as far as I'm concerned, Hughes started with the wrong team. He wanted N'Zonzi to do what Whelan does which you could see he was incredibly uncomfortable in that role. Whelan is very underrated for us. He sits in that Makelele role and when a player as talented as N'Zonzi (twice as skilful as Whelan, twice as quick, twice as talented) can't do it, you realize how it's not just a noddy role and it's the vital bit of glue that holds it together. Cameron came in and showed why he should have started and why he shined against Belgium for the USA in the World Cup.
There's no doubt you deserved a point. Not sure about the keepers dive on the Walters goal mind. | | | |
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:11 - Oct 20 by LeonisGod |
Fernandez looks solid and calm to me in defence. Some people have criticised his distribution. But he's averaging 87% pass completion rate, which isn't bad at all. I suspect the reason he's always looking to play out higher risk balls to Bony is that (a) that seems to be our main route now and is being coached, and (b) there's probably a lack of movement/options immediately in front on him. |
I'd rather one of Fede's sharp passes upfield to the likes of Bony than watch Williams long diagnol's take out the front row of the away fans. | |
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:20 - Oct 20 with 806 views | StokeFan |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:14 - Oct 20 by _ |
Firstly, you wouldn't want to be welcome on here. That's not how your boys operate and fair play to you all.
You definitely, 100% influenced the ref into giving that pen. It was impressive in fairness and there's not many grounds that can do that. It's something, you, us and Cardiff have in common. We've all had some good battles over the years.
The thing with our pen is a little more cut and dried for my liking. Yes, you and Hughes can argue as much as you like about that sort of stuff going on - but that was a pretty clear example of when these sorts of pens are given - and they are, just not very often. The ref was standing 4 yards away and Shawcross gave him no option. Oliver knew that he would be hung out to dry if he "didn't" give it.
Look, it goes on, it will again and i'm pretty sure nothing much will change - but, the sheer blatant ones will get punished and that was sheer blatant.
3 points for you and as much as you say we are the best side you've played - well, I would believe you if you were talking about the first half hour perhaps. Certainly not the rest. |
Well, you ask any Stoke fan and they'll say you are by far the best team to visit the Britannia. Aston Villa were truly dreadful, but they worked hard and came for the point. It was only for a piece of dreadful defending and goalkeeping did they somehow score and take 3 points.
Leicester were slightly better but really, they stuck 11 men behind the ball and hit us on the break with their only chance of the game. We missed chance after chance and threw away 3 points.
You carved us open at times yesterday. Just bad luck you didn't take chances. | | | |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:25 - Oct 20 with 798 views | _ |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:20 - Oct 20 by StokeFan |
Well, you ask any Stoke fan and they'll say you are by far the best team to visit the Britannia. Aston Villa were truly dreadful, but they worked hard and came for the point. It was only for a piece of dreadful defending and goalkeeping did they somehow score and take 3 points.
Leicester were slightly better but really, they stuck 11 men behind the ball and hit us on the break with their only chance of the game. We missed chance after chance and threw away 3 points.
You carved us open at times yesterday. Just bad luck you didn't take chances. |
Oh I agree with you with the carving open bit and when you see us do that it sticks in the mind. The Ki chance from the Siggy back heel was sublime. He should have swept that in the left corner instead of going "safe" with that tame effort.
But... that all stopped, didn't it. You didn't see that in the second half. | |
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:39 - Oct 20 with 763 views | LeonisGod |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 10:57 - Oct 20 by StokeFan |
OK, I'm guessing that Stoke fans aren't very welcome on this forum at the moment but I figured I'd come in and give at least some perspective from our end. It's actually nice to see a forum where you aren't all calling us 'horrible people' and 'greasy inbred scum' which is what we're used to from the likes of Arsenal , Chelsea etc. We're just normal fans like you, so kudos for keeping it civil :)
I'm not a TV fan btw, I sit in the Boothen End if you're wondering, so directly opposite yourselves.
I'll get straight to it, as far as I'm concerned, neither were penalties for me. By the letter of the law, both were by definition penalties but if that's what football has become then it's not the game I grew up with. For the first penalty, tussling like that goes on in the box at every game in the football league. As has been pointed out, Crouch is given a good tug by Taylor(was it?) and there's another where Ashley Williams seems to get a good chunk of Crouch which was in the second half. To me, that's all fair game and is just part and parcel of football. Perhaps opinions on that are changing now, but it'll be a shame when football becomes a non-contact Arsene Wenger sport and there's no such thing as tackling or challenging. Not that I'm accusing Bony of anything, but for a guy who is incredibly strong outside of the box, he did seem to go down easy in the box, as evidenced by his repeated falls under ANY kind of contact. He absolutely battered Shawcross most of the game so it was odd when I saw Wilson (a fairly weak player) bring him down under not much contact.
I do wonder how much of it was Michael Oliver's desperation to be 'the' celebrity ref who gave the penalty for tussling in the box. What with the MOTD attack on Shawcross a few weeks ago it was no surprise when it was given. 15 minutes of fame, funny how it backfired mind.
The second penalty was a dive for me, but again by the letter of the law there's a tiny amount of conduct so it's a penalty. Not what I like to see though, and although at first from where I sat it looked blatant, TV replays show there isn't much contact at all. I don't believe Oliver was influenced by the crowd as those muppets on MOTD suggested, but I do believe he was trying to even it up. Of course, he could have saved all the nonsense by just not giving either penalty.
I noticed one of you mentioned Walters coming on however most Stoke fans believe that it was Geoff Cameron who changed the game for us. We missed Glenn Whelan in midfield and in the first half, you were waltzing through and really should have been out of sight. Once Cameron came on with about 20 minutes to go, we looked a more solid outfit again. It gave N'Zonzi the freedom to push up and Cameron was only player to effectively deal with Bony as we saw in the build-up to the goal. He certainly made the difference in my opinion.
For what it's worth, it may come as little consolation but in my opinion you're by far the best team to come to the Britannia this season. In fact, excluding Man City, you're the best team we've played this season. Yes, we lost to Villa, Leicester and Sunderland but all three of those games involved a shit tonne of luck for them and none for us. Yesterday, you played far better than all three of those and the game simply involved some luck for us and not much for you with you missing your chances, especially the Sigurdsson which had us behind the goal in disbelief.
You're not going down, I wouldn't worry about that.
Good luck for the season and hopefully see you at the away game! :) |
That's pretty much how I see it. Sticking Cameron on and in front of Bony was a game changer, which we then compounded by dropping Bony deeper when Gomis came on. It played right into your hands. Walters has always caused us problems too - he's very good at coming in from those wide right positions.
Re. pens. I'd argue our was and yours wasn't by the letter of the law. Bony was clearly impeded, Moses wasn't (I don't think anywhere in the Laws of the Game does it mention that just contact is reason to award a foul). But, in terms of what is normally given, ours normally wouldn't be and your type often is! So to some extents both should be put down to those instances that sometimes go for you and sometimes against.
Biggest frustration for me is that we failed to finish you off when on top in the first half and the first 10 mins of the second. After that it was pretty much one way traffic as we sat off and failed to adjust to your changes (which is becoming a worrying pattern for us). | | | |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:46 - Oct 20 with 741 views | Lord_Bony |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:14 - Oct 20 by _ |
Firstly, you wouldn't want to be welcome on here. That's not how your boys operate and fair play to you all.
You definitely, 100% influenced the ref into giving that pen. It was impressive in fairness and there's not many grounds that can do that. It's something, you, us and Cardiff have in common. We've all had some good battles over the years.
The thing with our pen is a little more cut and dried for my liking. Yes, you and Hughes can argue as much as you like about that sort of stuff going on - but that was a pretty clear example of when these sorts of pens are given - and they are, just not very often. The ref was standing 4 yards away and Shawcross gave him no option. Oliver knew that he would be hung out to dry if he "didn't" give it.
Look, it goes on, it will again and i'm pretty sure nothing much will change - but, the sheer blatant ones will get punished and that was sheer blatant.
3 points for you and as much as you say we are the best side you've played - well, I would believe you if you were talking about the first half hour perhaps. Certainly not the rest. |
This really.
Most DEFINATLEY the Stoke fans put Oliver under pressure booing and shouting at his every decision after the first penalty.also Mark Hughes kicking off in the technical area and arguing with officials and all the theatrics was distracting for the ref.
Unfortunatley,for us he bottled it and was looking for a chance to even things up...and quickly.
Not many teams can drum up that kind of pressure onto a ref...it did influence his decision.
We need video replay like in rugby as bad decisions can have a MASSIVE effect on a clubs relegation status at the end of the season. [Post edited 20 Oct 2014 11:50]
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:50 - Oct 20 with 732 views | StokeFan |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:39 - Oct 20 by LeonisGod |
That's pretty much how I see it. Sticking Cameron on and in front of Bony was a game changer, which we then compounded by dropping Bony deeper when Gomis came on. It played right into your hands. Walters has always caused us problems too - he's very good at coming in from those wide right positions.
Re. pens. I'd argue our was and yours wasn't by the letter of the law. Bony was clearly impeded, Moses wasn't (I don't think anywhere in the Laws of the Game does it mention that just contact is reason to award a foul). But, in terms of what is normally given, ours normally wouldn't be and your type often is! So to some extents both should be put down to those instances that sometimes go for you and sometimes against.
Biggest frustration for me is that we failed to finish you off when on top in the first half and the first 10 mins of the second. After that it was pretty much one way traffic as we sat off and failed to adjust to your changes (which is becoming a worrying pattern for us). |
You certainly lost something when Gomis came on. He doesn't have the physical presence of Bony who really needs to be your main man. | | | |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:55 - Oct 20 with 715 views | perchrockjack |
The Brittania is akin to the old Elland Rd whereby the "everyone hates it and we don't care" attitude is king.
Arsenal had that too.
No question Stoke fans have a chip on shoulders as they re seen as unfashionable and from a part of the world where an average southern fan would have no idea as to where to point to on a map.
Its a great old club ,one with fantastic heritage and home to one of the greatest of all. | |
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 12:00 - Oct 20 with 707 views | Dr_Winston |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:50 - Oct 20 by StokeFan |
You certainly lost something when Gomis came on. He doesn't have the physical presence of Bony who really needs to be your main man. |
Problem is Wilf had a stinker.
I can understand trying to slot him in behind Gomis if you want to play them both, but that basically butchered us in midfield. We didn't have the depth to experiment (which it was) yesterday.
We had a fairly frugal summer so there should be cash in reserve if needs be. As per usual Leon's absence has been pinpointed as our major problem, but the issues go deeper for me. There's not enough strength or experience in reserve, even if Ki has done well in that role.
Will concur with the earlier belief that two new fullbacks and a big, nasty DM are needed come Jan. [Post edited 20 Oct 2014 12:02]
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 12:13 - Oct 20 with 664 views | Phil_S |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:10 - Oct 20 by Brynmill_Jack |
Ok overreaction! But I think we've made a dreadful mistake in not replacing Leon (who we knew would be out for a good while) and Ben kept Taylor out of the side for a reason last season. And Rangel is thirty feckin two for crying out loud. In short all 3 positions should have been reinforced.
So no we won't get relegated this season but I was kind of hoping for better than merely "avoiding relegation". |
Without a doubt we need strengthening in those positions but I have seen nothing this season so far (and bear in mind more than 20% of it has gone) to suggest that we will merely avoid relegation (which sounds as if it will be tight)
Think anywhere between 8th and 14th is where we will end up - a view that hasn't varied since August 1st | | | |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 12:24 - Oct 20 with 647 views | LeonisGod |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 12:00 - Oct 20 by Dr_Winston |
Problem is Wilf had a stinker.
I can understand trying to slot him in behind Gomis if you want to play them both, but that basically butchered us in midfield. We didn't have the depth to experiment (which it was) yesterday.
We had a fairly frugal summer so there should be cash in reserve if needs be. As per usual Leon's absence has been pinpointed as our major problem, but the issues go deeper for me. There's not enough strength or experience in reserve, even if Ki has done well in that role.
Will concur with the earlier belief that two new fullbacks and a big, nasty DM are needed come Jan. [Post edited 20 Oct 2014 12:02]
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Wilf was instrumental in our good stuff first half. He only had a stinker once Hughes had sussed him out and put Cameron on him. We needed to be more clever then.
Spot on regarding lack of depth. Oh for JdG or (a fit and liked) Canas now. | | | |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 12:40 - Oct 20 with 610 views | _ |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 11:50 - Oct 20 by StokeFan |
You certainly lost something when Gomis came on. He doesn't have the physical presence of Bony who really needs to be your main man. |
He needs to be given a real chance as he has different attributes to Bony. He's a lot more mobile for one and can pass defenders much easier.
It wasn't so much him coming on, it was him coming on for a midfielder as we can't play with him and Bony together. It's not as if we haven't tried either - Monk got slaughtered for the pre-season game trying it and once or twice since.
Trouble we've got is we didn't expect to have Bony this season so it's cost us re-enforcing areas more important to us. | |
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| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 12:54 - Oct 20 with 562 views | A_Fans_Dad |
I still think both Wilf & Sigi were tired from the internationals and all the travelling, they certainly weren't as sharp as usual and faded completely even before Stoke's subs.
Routs was also not very effective either.
Could this be a classic case of the "Manager of the Month" curse?
As for the Defense, GM told the Club what was needed at the start of the Transfer period, they didn't supply it so what can we and they expect? | | | |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 12:59 - Oct 20 with 549 views | _ |
| Monk Feeling 'Cheated' By Penalty Decision on 12:54 - Oct 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
I still think both Wilf & Sigi were tired from the internationals and all the travelling, they certainly weren't as sharp as usual and faded completely even before Stoke's subs.
Routs was also not very effective either.
Could this be a classic case of the "Manager of the Month" curse?
As for the Defense, GM told the Club what was needed at the start of the Transfer period, they didn't supply it so what can we and they expect? |
It's a little worrying also when Wilf gets robbed a few times he feels the need to go making awful tackles.
he needs to be managed a lot more this season, I feel. He needs to get his mind properly back on Swansea and forget anything else, the African Cup of Nations or any prospective move. This has to be Monk's job to get his mind right and back on track. | |
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