| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 18:04 - Nov 25 with 720 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 23:25 - Nov 24 by Lohengrin |
Aside from the occasional lame duck political appointee The Lords perform an essential constitutional role, which is more than can be said for The WAG. |
It may very well be essential within the constitution but change the constitution I say and get rid of them.
I don't like the way the political parties run things but at least they are elected by us voters. |  | |  |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 21:31 - Nov 25 with 682 views | Kilkennyjack |
When people talk of people being fed up with politics then i think that pretty much explains the sad rise of the dreadful and seemingly quite bonkers UKIP party. Contrast that with the recent turn out in Scotland at 84% including 16 year olds. It engaged the ordinary people and SNP membership on election day was 25,000 - and is now over 90,000. I hope we in wales and the english regions understand that the only way to address the massive london bias is by devolution. At the end of the day, the welsh people need to step forward and make their own decisions. The only alternative seems to be the current failed model of wales, with wales ever more reliant on handouts from london, that is not a sustainable model in the current world. We need to step forward like our celtic cousins. The thatcher styled cosy world of post war westminster only politics is very dead. |  |
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| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 11:52 - Nov 26 with 646 views | Catullus |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 21:31 - Nov 25 by Kilkennyjack |
When people talk of people being fed up with politics then i think that pretty much explains the sad rise of the dreadful and seemingly quite bonkers UKIP party. Contrast that with the recent turn out in Scotland at 84% including 16 year olds. It engaged the ordinary people and SNP membership on election day was 25,000 - and is now over 90,000. I hope we in wales and the english regions understand that the only way to address the massive london bias is by devolution. At the end of the day, the welsh people need to step forward and make their own decisions. The only alternative seems to be the current failed model of wales, with wales ever more reliant on handouts from london, that is not a sustainable model in the current world. We need to step forward like our celtic cousins. The thatcher styled cosy world of post war westminster only politics is very dead. |
So you'd have us swap Westminster for the Welsh government, give them full control.
And just what has our devolved government done for most of Wales? Cardiff and the south east has done pretty well, the rest of us have been left to rot.
And all this anger in Scotland about Westminster and how it mistreats them, they get more funding per head than any other part of the UK. If anything, here in Wales, we should be angry about the Scots and their greed.
UKIP has risen because very many people are fed up of the lies that emanate from our main political parties. You call UKIP bonkers, but is it any less bonkers to carry on with an obviously broken 2/3 party system where they all look after each other?
I have a feeling that if enough people genuinely want to leave the EU, the Tory machine will win through in the end. I think it's possible that Labour and Libdems will suffer badly. The Tories probably will lose seats too, but not enough to make a difference.
Despite Cameroons words, a Tory/UKIP coalition looks ever more possible.
And I still say the AM's should vote to not accept this pay rise. We are still in hard times, most people haven't had a decent rise for years, let alone 18%. Hell, most people won't have had 18% in total over the last ten years! definitely not when the cost of living is factored. We have nearly all fallen behind, why should our Am's be different. | |
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| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 12:16 - Nov 26 with 640 views | Batterseajack |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 17:33 - Nov 24 by Jackfath |
All of it does. It sickens me. Why oh why isn't there a leader who the public can believe in, someone to rid us all of the complete lies and cover ups we have to endure?
Who will save this country? |
Russell Brand? | | | |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 12:19 - Nov 26 with 638 views | Catullus |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 12:16 - Nov 26 by Batterseajack |
Russell Brand? |
I'd rather follow Thatcher than Brand. All that he says is contrived, made up BS. If he's so against the system, if he's so against wealth and power, why doesn't he give his fortune to charity and let the homeless live in his big houses......because he's a hypocrite pure and simple.
How much does a ticket to his show cost? | |
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| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 12:39 - Nov 26 with 633 views | perchrockjack |
Sadly the likes of Brand are all over the media.
Spouting socialist dogma , the poor, the oppressed, the downtrodden, yet Brand would not wipe his shoes on any of "us" and as for living on a modest wage--really. Its the fundamental of all champagne socialists or those ,like BENN,seeing it as a sort of crusade against the very people who made the families rich and privileged | |
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| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 16:23 - Nov 26 with 603 views | exiledclaseboy |
At the risk of swimming against the tide and leaving aside the PR disaster which a pay rise for AMs would be at a time when everyone else in the public sector is getting zip, is £60k per year really all that much to pay people who are responsible for deciding how to spend billions of pounds of public money? I know civil servants in Swansea earning that much and more. |  |
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| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 16:57 - Nov 26 with 580 views | Jackfath |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 16:23 - Nov 26 by exiledclaseboy |
At the risk of swimming against the tide and leaving aside the PR disaster which a pay rise for AMs would be at a time when everyone else in the public sector is getting zip, is £60k per year really all that much to pay people who are responsible for deciding how to spend billions of pounds of public money? I know civil servants in Swansea earning that much and more. |
How much they get paid is not the point. The point is that they are getting a whopping rise when the rest of us can forget it and told to tighten belts and continual cuts whilst still having to raise standards in every aspect of public sector jobs.
It's a joke, surely. |  |
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| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 16:59 - Nov 26 with 579 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 16:57 - Nov 26 by Jackfath |
How much they get paid is not the point. The point is that they are getting a whopping rise when the rest of us can forget it and told to tighten belts and continual cuts whilst still having to raise standards in every aspect of public sector jobs.
It's a joke, surely. |
Yes I agree with that. As a message it would be a particularly stupid thing to do at the moment. | |
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| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 20:01 - Nov 26 with 550 views | waynekerr55 |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 16:23 - Nov 26 by exiledclaseboy |
At the risk of swimming against the tide and leaving aside the PR disaster which a pay rise for AMs would be at a time when everyone else in the public sector is getting zip, is £60k per year really all that much to pay people who are responsible for deciding how to spend billions of pounds of public money? I know civil servants in Swansea earning that much and more. |
Does that include their 'expenses' ECB? |  |
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| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 20:04 - Nov 26 with 549 views | waynekerr55 |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 16:59 - Nov 26 by exiledclaseboy |
Yes I agree with that. As a message it would be a particularly stupid thing to do at the moment. |
In line with their 'thinking' or lack of it (the political classes both in the Senedd and Westminster) | |
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| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 20:33 - Nov 26 with 543 views | Swanzay |
Test the water at 18%, face backlash end up with around 10% is probably the plan, no doubt, then they can say the people had a 'sort of victory and we took on board public view'.
Totally unethical in the current climate, The Senedd are a complete joke apart from all things Cardiff related. |  | | |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 20:38 - Nov 26 with 535 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 20:01 - Nov 26 by waynekerr55 |
Does that include their 'expenses' ECB? |
No. Expenses is a different matter entirely. I'm in favour of increasing the basic wage and cutting expenses right back. Same for Wesminster MPs too. | |
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| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 20:40 - Nov 26 with 531 views | waynekerr55 |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 20:38 - Nov 26 by exiledclaseboy |
No. Expenses is a different matter entirely. I'm in favour of increasing the basic wage and cutting expenses right back. Same for Wesminster MPs too. |
True. It's a joke how detached they are from reality | |
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| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 11:33 - Nov 27 with 493 views | Catullus |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 20:38 - Nov 26 by exiledclaseboy |
No. Expenses is a different matter entirely. I'm in favour of increasing the basic wage and cutting expenses right back. Same for Wesminster MPs too. |
But if powers are devolved from Westminster, do MP's deserve a rise, or should a cut be considered?
And on your point about civil servants, ECB, do they deserve in excess of £60,000?
I have seen the NHS pay scales and the rises at the top end are quite alarming! Especially given that consultants do a lot of private work to supplement an already very large income.
When you consider that a hospital would soon stop functioning without the lower paid staff, is the disparity really fair? | |
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| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 18:18 - Nov 27 with 446 views | johnlangy |
There is another very good argument for MP's (or AM's) being paid a lot more.
When I was working there was no way I could have afforded to be an MP (I never wanted to but just making a point). If I had left my job in computing and been an MP for 5 years and then been voted out my skills would have been completely out of date and the amount I would have earned would not have made up for it. So I just couldn't afford to do it. Now, if MP's were paid, say, £150 k a year then it may have been different.
As things stand the only people who can afford it are people who are rich,at least well off, or maybe at the start of their working life so they've got no career yet to lose . It's a bit of a generalisation I know and someone will come back and say what about so and so. But how many times have you heard the complaint that all they are is a bunch of posh boys. Multi millionaires in their own right or maybe Mammy and Daddy are. And, unsurprisingly, they are completely out of touch with 'normal' people and their lives.
Would Westminster be so out of touch if the mix was more 'normal' ? | | | |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 18:28 - Nov 27 with 438 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 11:52 - Nov 26 by Catullus |
So you'd have us swap Westminster for the Welsh government, give them full control.
And just what has our devolved government done for most of Wales? Cardiff and the south east has done pretty well, the rest of us have been left to rot.
And all this anger in Scotland about Westminster and how it mistreats them, they get more funding per head than any other part of the UK. If anything, here in Wales, we should be angry about the Scots and their greed.
UKIP has risen because very many people are fed up of the lies that emanate from our main political parties. You call UKIP bonkers, but is it any less bonkers to carry on with an obviously broken 2/3 party system where they all look after each other?
I have a feeling that if enough people genuinely want to leave the EU, the Tory machine will win through in the end. I think it's possible that Labour and Libdems will suffer badly. The Tories probably will lose seats too, but not enough to make a difference.
Despite Cameroons words, a Tory/UKIP coalition looks ever more possible.
And I still say the AM's should vote to not accept this pay rise. We are still in hard times, most people haven't had a decent rise for years, let alone 18%. Hell, most people won't have had 18% in total over the last ten years! definitely not when the cost of living is factored. We have nearly all fallen behind, why should our Am's be different. |
The answer to the first line is yes. What's wrong with that.
Whether you like the way Labour runs the Assembly or not (I don't) at least they were elected by Welsh votes. And, if we don't like the way they run the Assembly it's in our hands to vote them out. We can't blame anyone else. We have virtually no say in who the UK government is because there are 17 times more English voters than Welsh ones.
The question 'what has our devolved government done for most of Wales' has been argued many times. Labour do what they do, they get voted back in, they carry on doing what they do.
It's not going to stop until we put a stop to it. It's us that has put them there and it's in our hands to kick them out. | | | |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 19:53 - Nov 27 with 425 views | Flashberryjack |
| Welsh Assembly pay rise on 16:23 - Nov 26 by exiledclaseboy |
At the risk of swimming against the tide and leaving aside the PR disaster which a pay rise for AMs would be at a time when everyone else in the public sector is getting zip, is £60k per year really all that much to pay people who are responsible for deciding how to spend billions of pounds of public money? I know civil servants in Swansea earning that much and more. |
Swansea civil servants earning £60,000 a year, they must be worth it. |  |
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