| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour 18:04 - Mar 5 with 5431 views | trampie |
Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour, that is what Andrew Neil was saying to the lovely Leanne on a clip I seen the other day, although she said she wouldn't accept that she was all smiles and seemed to be flattered.
Other clips on at least two separate occasions had Neil pleading with the lovely Leanne to speak Welsh to him, the do it, do it now, type of pleading, I say oi butt leave our valley girls alone.  |  |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 18:59 - Mar 5 with 1672 views | Kilkennyjack |
Lovely leanne is lovely .... |  |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 19:10 - Mar 5 with 1663 views | Badgeman |
Leanne gives me... |  |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 22:01 - Mar 5 with 1612 views | Lohengrin |
She seemed flattered because Neil told her Plaid was now so unrecognisable that when he looks at her he sees Bessie Braddock? 
If you just heard something behind you, Trampie, it's probably the ghost of Lewis Valentine's heart breaking. |  |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 22:24 - Mar 5 with 1594 views | trampie |
Bessie was involved in flooding a Welsh valley to keep Liverpool in water wasn't she ?, as regards Valentine if he was alive today he would need to accept that South Walians make up the bulk of the population and now its one of our girls turn to run the gig. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 23:03 - Mar 5 with 1580 views | Kilkennyjack |
Correct Trampie - times have changed. Plaid is no longer the party of preachers and teachers, and Leanne herself is proof of that. Leanne is a welsh learner, not a welsh speaker. With labour taking direction from out of touch London labour, then only leanne will stand up for wales and the welsh people. Plus she is lovely as we all know ..... | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 23:16 - Mar 5 with 1570 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 23:03 - Mar 5 by Kilkennyjack |
Correct Trampie - times have changed. Plaid is no longer the party of preachers and teachers, and Leanne herself is proof of that. Leanne is a welsh learner, not a welsh speaker. With labour taking direction from out of touch London labour, then only leanne will stand up for wales and the welsh people. Plus she is lovely as we all know ..... |
Exactly Kilkenny. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 23:41 - Mar 5 with 1555 views | perchrockjack |
I'm really quite proud not to have got involved in commenting on the very welshie politician but it seems she s like a puppy that nobody can kick |  |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 09:15 - Mar 6 with 1508 views | trampie |
Just seen Plaids new party political broadcast and its very good, very modern and with it, a young man telling his parents i've got something to tell you, i'm voting Plaid the other parties don't turn me on, I used to pretend i'm Labour type of line was very good I thought.
Then there was an office scene which I was not so keen on, but it finished off with a young lady showing her Gran a tattoo which I also thought was good. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 11:27 - Mar 6 with 1491 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 09:15 - Mar 6 by trampie |
Just seen Plaids new party political broadcast and its very good, very modern and with it, a young man telling his parents i've got something to tell you, i'm voting Plaid the other parties don't turn me on, I used to pretend i'm Labour type of line was very good I thought.
Then there was an office scene which I was not so keen on, but it finished off with a young lady showing her Gran a tattoo which I also thought was good. |
You've been completely hoodwinked, old son! I saw that Trampie and I'll tell you what I took from it: however much you would like to see Plaid in the guise of a transformed left-socialist movement the members of its policy directorate clearly have other ideas and still cleave to the party's traditional founding philosphy.
"To cut business rates completely for small business." That's not a new idea from Plaid that's to restate an old theme with new voices. It's pure Maurrassisme and the philosophy of Pays Réel for 2015.
I was fortunate enough many years ago to have been afforded access to the Lewis/Hamm correspondence from the '50s. You obviously know who Saunders Lewis is, Trampie, but do you know of Jeffrey Hamm? He was Mosley's private secretary and hailed from Ebbw Vale. The correspondence covered a range of topics of shared interest but the exchange with special piquance here was that which addressed how small traders and artisans could survive and thrive in the face of chain stores and big business. Their conclusion? "To cut business rates completely for small business."
Is your Leanne cognisant of any of this? I suspect not. Was there any intent to reassure Plaid's traditional, educated base that there are those behind the scenes who haven't lost sight of where the Party came from? I'm inclined think there was. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 12:21 - Mar 6 with 1465 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 11:27 - Mar 6 by Lohengrin |
You've been completely hoodwinked, old son! I saw that Trampie and I'll tell you what I took from it: however much you would like to see Plaid in the guise of a transformed left-socialist movement the members of its policy directorate clearly have other ideas and still cleave to the party's traditional founding philosphy.
"To cut business rates completely for small business." That's not a new idea from Plaid that's to restate an old theme with new voices. It's pure Maurrassisme and the philosophy of Pays Réel for 2015.
I was fortunate enough many years ago to have been afforded access to the Lewis/Hamm correspondence from the '50s. You obviously know who Saunders Lewis is, Trampie, but do you know of Jeffrey Hamm? He was Mosley's private secretary and hailed from Ebbw Vale. The correspondence covered a range of topics of shared interest but the exchange with special piquance here was that which addressed how small traders and artisans could survive and thrive in the face of chain stores and big business. Their conclusion? "To cut business rates completely for small business."
Is your Leanne cognisant of any of this? I suspect not. Was there any intent to reassure Plaid's traditional, educated base that there are those behind the scenes who haven't lost sight of where the Party came from? I'm inclined think there was. |
Cut business rates hey !, a plan for small traders and artisans to survive and thrive in the face of chain stores and big business, you say.
Plaids economic advisor and policy directorate on the ball again by the look of it, as they seem to be a party with a plan, last time looking after war veterans and pensioners did not seem to be a vote winner but we will see what they come up with this time .
You need to create wealth first Lohengrin before you can spread it, I thought you would have realised that one . | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 12:36 - Mar 6 with 1450 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 12:21 - Mar 6 by trampie |
Cut business rates hey !, a plan for small traders and artisans to survive and thrive in the face of chain stores and big business, you say.
Plaids economic advisor and policy directorate on the ball again by the look of it, as they seem to be a party with a plan, last time looking after war veterans and pensioners did not seem to be a vote winner but we will see what they come up with this time .
You need to create wealth first Lohengrin before you can spread it, I thought you would have realised that one . |
Just had a Pauline conversion, have you? Where's your socialism evaporated to all of a sudden? Welcome to the Third Way!  | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 13:11 - Mar 6 with 1435 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 12:36 - Mar 6 by Lohengrin |
Just had a Pauline conversion, have you? Where's your socialism evaporated to all of a sudden? Welcome to the Third Way! |
Create the wealth and then spread the wealth across society as a whole its not rocket science, I hope we can have that kind of society once more, unfortunately Brit Nats parties [Labour, Tories, Kippers, Libs] want to create wealth and put it all in the pockets of the top 1%. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 13:18 - Mar 6 with 1434 views | dgt73 |
Why would anyone support PC who want independence, but want to stay in the EU. |  |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 13:33 - Mar 6 with 1424 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 13:11 - Mar 6 by trampie |
Create the wealth and then spread the wealth across society as a whole its not rocket science, I hope we can have that kind of society once more, unfortunately Brit Nats parties [Labour, Tories, Kippers, Libs] want to create wealth and put it all in the pockets of the top 1%. |
Not rocket science and most certainly NOT socialism. Plaid are turning again to the petite bourgeoisie as agents of economic resurgence; turning back because that's where they emerged from, that strata of society which regarded "the left" with undisguised loathing. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 13:34 - Mar 6 with 1422 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 13:18 - Mar 6 by dgt73 |
Why would anyone support PC who want independence, but want to stay in the EU. |
Jobs and security, did you not see 'The Great European Disaster Movie' the other day - scary stuff if the EU breaks up or we are not in it.
Wales a sovereign nation within Europe and the UN, its the way forward for our great little proud nation.
One of the many problems with some followers of the Brit Nats parties is they are isolationist, they don't want to be part of the world community, having said that as far as I know officials for the 3 established Brit Nats parties are still for Europe, think the Kippers are the only ones that want out [they change their minds about everything all the time so who knows, don't think they know themselves half the time what they stand for]. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 14:17 - Mar 6 with 1396 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 13:33 - Mar 6 by Lohengrin |
Not rocket science and most certainly NOT socialism. Plaid are turning again to the petite bourgeoisie as agents of economic resurgence; turning back because that's where they emerged from, that strata of society which regarded "the left" with undisguised loathing. |
Pressed the 'up' button instead of the quote button then.
Plaid was seen decades ago as a petite bourgeoisie party for the intelligencia and has evolved into a left of centre party with very strong socialist principles.
Plaid have been 'socialist' for decades and decades and decades, they now have a socialist Queen to top things off, a real socialist Queen [oops she would not like me using the word Queen, me bad] who is red through and through.
They need to break out from their Welsh speaking, rural and dare I say slightly up market in some cases heartlands and start to make in roads into the English speaking industrial towns and valleys of South Wales, fighting for Welsh identity and language has attracted many in the North and West but offering 'socialist' policies might attract many in the valleys in time, once they realise NuLabour are traitors to the working class, im not talking about this election but elections in years to come, if Plaid can dominate Y Fro and Welsh Wales then it wont matter about British Wales as regards getting a majority [im sure you are aware Y Fro gymraeg - Welsh speaking Wales, Welsh Wales - industrial towns and valleys and British Wales - Little England, Vale possibly and the borders], Y Fro and Welsh Wales are the two most closely linked out of the 3 entities - Neath/Port Talbot coming up trumps big time in the devolution winning referendum as you know].
May not be apparent this time but seeds are being sowed for a Welsh 'socialist' or if you prefer since that name is outdated, a Welsh social justice future as opposed to the dog eat dog banker run capitalism that seems to be favoured by Brit Nats particularly in England. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 14:37 - Mar 6 with 1379 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 14:17 - Mar 6 by trampie |
Pressed the 'up' button instead of the quote button then.
Plaid was seen decades ago as a petite bourgeoisie party for the intelligencia and has evolved into a left of centre party with very strong socialist principles.
Plaid have been 'socialist' for decades and decades and decades, they now have a socialist Queen to top things off, a real socialist Queen [oops she would not like me using the word Queen, me bad] who is red through and through.
They need to break out from their Welsh speaking, rural and dare I say slightly up market in some cases heartlands and start to make in roads into the English speaking industrial towns and valleys of South Wales, fighting for Welsh identity and language has attracted many in the North and West but offering 'socialist' policies might attract many in the valleys in time, once they realise NuLabour are traitors to the working class, im not talking about this election but elections in years to come, if Plaid can dominate Y Fro and Welsh Wales then it wont matter about British Wales as regards getting a majority [im sure you are aware Y Fro gymraeg - Welsh speaking Wales, Welsh Wales - industrial towns and valleys and British Wales - Little England, Vale possibly and the borders], Y Fro and Welsh Wales are the two most closely linked out of the 3 entities - Neath/Port Talbot coming up trumps big time in the devolution winning referendum as you know].
May not be apparent this time but seeds are being sowed for a Welsh 'socialist' or if you prefer since that name is outdated, a Welsh social justice future as opposed to the dog eat dog banker run capitalism that seems to be favoured by Brit Nats particularly in England. |
Let me get this straight then, Trampie. What you're telling me is that somewhere deep within a recess of Marine Chambers there is a team of Machiavellian political alchemists at work trying to conjure a future socialist utopia via the advancement of markedly anti-socialist policies?
Have a cup of tea, son. Put your feet up for a bit. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 14:47 - Mar 6 with 1368 views | dgt73 |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 13:34 - Mar 6 by trampie |
Jobs and security, did you not see 'The Great European Disaster Movie' the other day - scary stuff if the EU breaks up or we are not in it.
Wales a sovereign nation within Europe and the UN, its the way forward for our great little proud nation.
One of the many problems with some followers of the Brit Nats parties is they are isolationist, they don't want to be part of the world community, having said that as far as I know officials for the 3 established Brit Nats parties are still for Europe, think the Kippers are the only ones that want out [they change their minds about everything all the time so who knows, don't think they know themselves half the time what they stand for]. |
Lol. Wasn't that film party funded by the EU. In other words just an expensive piece of propaganda, paid for out of people's taxes. As a Welshman I'd never vote for PC as they stand for everything i hate. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 14:48 - Mar 6 with 1365 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 14:37 - Mar 6 by Lohengrin |
Let me get this straight then, Trampie. What you're telling me is that somewhere deep within a recess of Marine Chambers there is a team of Machiavellian political alchemists at work trying to conjure a future socialist utopia via the advancement of markedly anti-socialist policies?
Have a cup of tea, son. Put your feet up for a bit. |
Machiavellian you say, like the British State secret service and Newspaper owners and editors with an agenda, I think people in Plaid over the years have been aware of Machiavellian tactics Lohengrin. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 15:00 - Mar 6 with 1352 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 14:47 - Mar 6 by dgt73 |
Lol. Wasn't that film party funded by the EU. In other words just an expensive piece of propaganda, paid for out of people's taxes. As a Welshman I'd never vote for PC as they stand for everything i hate. |
Plaid seem quite patriotic and seem to like to put Wales first, you would think that a lot of proud Welsh people would like that. [Post edited 6 Mar 2015 15:01]
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 15:38 - Mar 6 with 1325 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 14:48 - Mar 6 by trampie |
Machiavellian you say, like the British State secret service and Newspaper owners and editors with an agenda, I think people in Plaid over the years have been aware of Machiavellian tactics Lohengrin. |
A believer in conspiracy theories too? 
Are you genuinely a Plaid supporter? While I appreciate the party may well have changed somewhat over the years, become a far broader church than was historically the case, surely you must still find yourself in the small minority? Moreover your continual referral to a "class struggle," anathema to earlier generations of Plaid activists, must place you firmly in a minority of a minority. You seem, at least to me, to have very little in you of which nationalists are made. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 15:56 - Mar 6 with 1311 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 15:00 - Mar 6 by trampie |
Plaid seem quite patriotic and seem to like to put Wales first, you would think that a lot of proud Welsh people would like that. [Post edited 6 Mar 2015 15:01]
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Trampie - the thing I dislike about some of your posts is your repeated assertions or at least insinuations, that people who don't support Plaid, or agree with Welsh independence or similar, are not as proud to be Welsh as you are.
It's the same thread of argument often used by the Welsh language movement - that people who don't speak Welsh or who don't speak Welsh as their first language even, are somehow 'less Welsh' or less patriotic.
You make constant reference to that sort of thinking on here.
Some of us may be just as proudly, indeed, rabidly Welsh as you are - however, we may have a genuine belief that it is better for the country of Wales to remain a full and equal part of a strong UK. Supporting Plaid does not make you a better Welsh person, it just means that you have different views on how Wales can do better. | | | |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 16:05 - Mar 6 with 1306 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 15:56 - Mar 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Trampie - the thing I dislike about some of your posts is your repeated assertions or at least insinuations, that people who don't support Plaid, or agree with Welsh independence or similar, are not as proud to be Welsh as you are.
It's the same thread of argument often used by the Welsh language movement - that people who don't speak Welsh or who don't speak Welsh as their first language even, are somehow 'less Welsh' or less patriotic.
You make constant reference to that sort of thinking on here.
Some of us may be just as proudly, indeed, rabidly Welsh as you are - however, we may have a genuine belief that it is better for the country of Wales to remain a full and equal part of a strong UK. Supporting Plaid does not make you a better Welsh person, it just means that you have different views on how Wales can do better. |
Assertions and Insinuations Lisa, you have the total wrong end of the stick. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 16:07 - Mar 6 with 1294 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 16:05 - Mar 6 by trampie |
Assertions and Insinuations Lisa, you have the total wrong end of the stick. |
It genuinely comes across like that Trampie.
But if you don't mean to imply that, then it's fine. I just resent the implication that's all - I wasn't trying to argue about it. | | | |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 16:22 - Mar 6 with 1284 views | dgt73 |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 15:56 - Mar 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Trampie - the thing I dislike about some of your posts is your repeated assertions or at least insinuations, that people who don't support Plaid, or agree with Welsh independence or similar, are not as proud to be Welsh as you are.
It's the same thread of argument often used by the Welsh language movement - that people who don't speak Welsh or who don't speak Welsh as their first language even, are somehow 'less Welsh' or less patriotic.
You make constant reference to that sort of thinking on here.
Some of us may be just as proudly, indeed, rabidly Welsh as you are - however, we may have a genuine belief that it is better for the country of Wales to remain a full and equal part of a strong UK. Supporting Plaid does not make you a better Welsh person, it just means that you have different views on how Wales can do better. |
Welsh people should learn to speak Welsh. The reason they don't probably laziness. | |
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