| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour 18:04 - Mar 5 with 5430 views | trampie |
Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour, that is what Andrew Neil was saying to the lovely Leanne on a clip I seen the other day, although she said she wouldn't accept that she was all smiles and seemed to be flattered.
Other clips on at least two separate occasions had Neil pleading with the lovely Leanne to speak Welsh to him, the do it, do it now, type of pleading, I say oi butt leave our valley girls alone.  |  |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 16:30 - Mar 6 with 1062 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 16:22 - Mar 6 by dgt73 |
Welsh people should learn to speak Welsh. The reason they don't probably laziness. |
I'm sure that most if not all did learn.
Some of us can't remember much anymore of course if we haven't lived in Wales for 30 years - not much call to use it. |  | | |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 16:36 - Mar 6 with 1059 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 15:38 - Mar 6 by Lohengrin |
A believer in conspiracy theories too? 
Are you genuinely a Plaid supporter? While I appreciate the party may well have changed somewhat over the years, become a far broader church than was historically the case, surely you must still find yourself in the small minority? Moreover your continual referral to a "class struggle," anathema to earlier generations of Plaid activists, must place you firmly in a minority of a minority. You seem, at least to me, to have very little in you of which nationalists are made. |
Lohengrin is it ever possible for us to have a socialist government at some point in the future if we are part of the Union and ruled from Westminster ?
Adam Price said about himself '''I was a socialist before I was a nationalist'' [is he a nationalist at all ?].
Is Leanne Wood a nationalist ?, it all depends on what ones definition of what a nationalist is I suppose, too me she is as far removed from being a nationalist [apart from wanting what's best for her country/people] as you can get.
You are on my case Lohengrin, I have nothing to hide mind you, the reason I have started to describe the main Westminster parties as Brit Nats is because if anybody are nationalists and show nationalist tendencies [immigration policies, war mongering etc etc] its the main Westminster parties, I now believe that you yourself recognises that also by your questioning and observations of my position.
Like you say Lohengrin Plaid has changed over the years and like I said its been socialist for decades now and has gone even more so in that direct with the membership electing Leanne Wood as its leader.
Modern Plaid seems to me to be the home of Welsh socialists these days and seem to be the biggest group by far and crucially seem to be in charge of the direction of the party as well.
I think Plaid is a very middle of the road, gentle type party the same as the SNP, the extreme parties are the Tories/Labour/Lib-Dems[used to be middle of the road - what went wrong hey] and the UKIP's of this country, the laughable thing is the press and the ruling classes try and make out its the other way round, but anybody that follows politics [not many do] know who the extreme parties are, people can see where the parties stand on a political scale by looking at the 'political compass' site, SNP & Plaid slightly fractional left of centre, Labour and Tories are right out there on the right wing.
I blame the Machiavellian forces myself for trying to keep the status quo as it is and for trying to wrongly discredit others. [Post edited 6 Mar 2015 16:45]
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 16:40 - Mar 6 with 1052 views | skippyjack |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 16:22 - Mar 6 by dgt73 |
Welsh people should learn to speak Welsh. The reason they don't probably laziness. |
Why? Nobody speaks it.. It costs f*cking gazillions.. I'm voting UKIP anyway.. A labour government has never wanted me.. A conservative/lib dem government has never wanted me.. Maybe a UKIP party wants me.. I'm not doing it for immigration.. |  |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 16:45 - Mar 6 with 1045 views | johnlangy |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 15:00 - Mar 6 by trampie |
Plaid seem quite patriotic and seem to like to put Wales first, you would think that a lot of proud Welsh people would like that. [Post edited 6 Mar 2015 15:01]
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 17:24 - Mar 6 with 1032 views | libertine |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 15:00 - Mar 6 by trampie |
Plaid seem quite patriotic and seem to like to put Wales first, you would think that a lot of proud Welsh people would like that. [Post edited 6 Mar 2015 15:01]
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you 2 have lost me a bit,
but plaid are the only party interested in promoting small welsh business whilst being tied down by the ridiculous regulation of the EU.
which states that local government can not give a competitive advantage to a local business over one from for instance Germany.
NuLabour ( I feel sick even saying that contradiction in terms ) are a bunch of big business promoter's whos rhetorical whining employees have made such stupid comments as
"we help all business equally" which it says in the EU regulations, so why bother you moronic bunch of brainless fools, that means that your jobs are basically pointless and you should sack yourselves from them. "We help big business and small business equally", so I say why have the Welsh Assembly spent all the money on the OPening doors charter which is supposed to give a hand up to small local businesses, they say "we cannot discuss that as its nothing to do with us and anyway its only a guideline nobody is bound by it, its only how local authority "should behave"
I feel i'm going into a rant here------------------ so i'll shut up |  | | |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 17:34 - Mar 6 with 1028 views | trampie |
Plaid wouldn't be the only party that claim they are interested in promoting small Welsh businesses surely and all 3 major Westminster parties are pro Europe as far as I know [at least their leaderships anyway]. [Post edited 6 Mar 2015 17:37]
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 17:44 - Mar 6 with 1015 views | libertine |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 17:34 - Mar 6 by trampie |
Plaid wouldn't be the only party that claim they are interested in promoting small Welsh businesses surely and all 3 major Westminster parties are pro Europe as far as I know [at least their leaderships anyway]. [Post edited 6 Mar 2015 17:37]
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the point is there is a difference between saying something and actually doing something
actions speak louder than words
the reality is the big 3 eton mess are not interested in helping my little chocolate box
they want to help tescos
On another note
whay have Scotland gone SNP? | | | |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour (n/t) on 17:49 - Mar 6 with 1007 views | skippyjack |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 17:44 - Mar 6 by libertine |
the point is there is a difference between saying something and actually doing something
actions speak louder than words
the reality is the big 3 eton mess are not interested in helping my little chocolate box
they want to help tescos
On another note
whay have Scotland gone SNP? |
SNP want more wonger in their coffers.. These business parties just want money [Post edited 6 Mar 2015 18:00]
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 18:07 - Mar 6 with 992 views | libertine |
watched a docu the other night with Michael Sheen who was interviewing our Leanne, she seemed a bit sad and disappointed that most of us welsh just don't give a damn polictically, unlike our Scottish brothers.
why is this?
why do welsh see politics as boring, when its really important
it seems that even your down and outs in Scotland have an opinion on the subject, or ami just seeing things through trainspotting | | | |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 18:11 - Mar 6 with 985 views | Kilkennyjack |
Ed Milband using 'One Nation' as a slogan and campaigning with the Tory party in Scotland. A sell out that will never be forgotten - with a price to pay now, in terms of the SNP surge. Dont vote for posh Eton boys who know nothing of Wales and care less. Vote for the lovely Leanne and shake the b@st@rds up a bit. Wales must have equal funding to scotland rather than Barnett. That alone is an extra billion pounds every single year to kick start WAles. Somebody needs to bat for Wales. |  |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 18:15 - Mar 6 with 982 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 17:44 - Mar 6 by libertine |
the point is there is a difference between saying something and actually doing something
actions speak louder than words
the reality is the big 3 eton mess are not interested in helping my little chocolate box
they want to help tescos
On another note
whay have Scotland gone SNP? |
Scotland is like Wales left leaning, SNP are the only game in town for left leaning up there but in Wales the electorate are yet to realise that Plaid is the only game in town for left leaning here, there are other parties available as you well know libertine but I choose my words advisably when saying only game in town at this point in time. [Post edited 6 Mar 2015 18:16]
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 18:22 - Mar 6 with 974 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 18:07 - Mar 6 by libertine |
watched a docu the other night with Michael Sheen who was interviewing our Leanne, she seemed a bit sad and disappointed that most of us welsh just don't give a damn polictically, unlike our Scottish brothers.
why is this?
why do welsh see politics as boring, when its really important
it seems that even your down and outs in Scotland have an opinion on the subject, or ami just seeing things through trainspotting |
Historically the Welsh are very politically minded, Scotland have just had an independence referendum and a realisation that Labour and Tories bat for the same side these days, Wales has not had that realisation yet, although its a fact the general public in Wales that are not overly interested in politics don't realise it, yet ! | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 18:23 - Mar 6 with 971 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 18:11 - Mar 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Ed Milband using 'One Nation' as a slogan and campaigning with the Tory party in Scotland. A sell out that will never be forgotten - with a price to pay now, in terms of the SNP surge. Dont vote for posh Eton boys who know nothing of Wales and care less. Vote for the lovely Leanne and shake the b@st@rds up a bit. Wales must have equal funding to scotland rather than Barnett. That alone is an extra billion pounds every single year to kick start WAles. Somebody needs to bat for Wales. |
Exact Kilkenny.  | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 19:37 - Mar 6 with 939 views | libertine |
Mr Trampie,
Iam stretched between the green vote and the Plaid vote.
I really like Plaid and wish that Dr dai would get back involved as he is a great guy passionate socialist who is well educated and would make a great back up for Our Leanne.
It really saddens me that the grey vote in Wales is solid Labour, why I ask are you voting for labour? Well son if you don't those tory b@stards will get in then you'll see why.
can you give me one reason why you are voting labour besides the fact that you hate thatcher for what shes done to the country?
No son but if you vote for them hippes its a wasted vote, so as a result it goes on we've got a plastic tory party in charge of wales, but how do you educate people, not that I know better than anyone else but why don't the grey vote open their eyes,
they are the silence of the lambs, I have more respect for a Tory who believes in what hes doing than a sheep.
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 23:02 - Mar 6 with 908 views | trampie |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 19:37 - Mar 6 by libertine |
Mr Trampie,
Iam stretched between the green vote and the Plaid vote.
I really like Plaid and wish that Dr dai would get back involved as he is a great guy passionate socialist who is well educated and would make a great back up for Our Leanne.
It really saddens me that the grey vote in Wales is solid Labour, why I ask are you voting for labour? Well son if you don't those tory b@stards will get in then you'll see why.
can you give me one reason why you are voting labour besides the fact that you hate thatcher for what shes done to the country?
No son but if you vote for them hippes its a wasted vote, so as a result it goes on we've got a plastic tory party in charge of wales, but how do you educate people, not that I know better than anyone else but why don't the grey vote open their eyes,
they are the silence of the lambs, I have more respect for a Tory who believes in what hes doing than a sheep.
That's just made me think of a great Plaid campaign poster |
Quite libertine, I don't know why the old fogies in Wales vote for Labour, its voting for a right wing party just like the Tories.
They must be in a time warp and think they are voting for a 'workers party' with social justice policies or something, its sad, I don't want to call people that claim to be 'socialist' but vote NuLabour thick, but they are thick if they claim to know about politics and claim to be a socialist yet still vote for NuLabour.
I don't know what can be done, i'm only a voter but I will tell posters on message boards like this one that Labour are a Tory party [they don't call them the red Tories for nothing], in Scotland they are getting if not got the message, I watched Question Time [until a few weeks ago I had not seen it for donkeys years] this week and it was from Glasgow [I could hardly understand them talking - no doubt they would not understand me also] but the non politician woman on the panel said in her lifetime Scotland had always been left leaning [same in Wales luv] and a person in the audience said to the Labour person something along the lines of 'you might be slightly to the left of the Tories but you are to the right of the people of Scotland'.
Another person said to Labour something along the lines of 'you sided with the Tories over the 'No' vote, you got too close to them the people wont forgive you'.
SNP are set to fill the void left by old Labour from 30 years ago, The Welsh have not caught up yet to fill old Labours void in Wales as NuLabour are in that place at the moment, will it be 5 years or will it be 10 years before Labour in Wales is rejected as a right wing party ?, in Scotland the polls and pundits seem to think the SNP are going to obliterate Labour that its going to be an absolute beat down, we will see.
The young are far more supportive of Plaid and the SNP policies whenever i've read detailed articles about it, perhaps Wales will have to wait for the old mining Labour voters to die off before we can have a left leaning party back in the driving seat in Wales. [Post edited 7 Mar 2015 10:34]
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 23:56 - Mar 6 with 914 views | perchrockjack |
Language is primarily a means of communication.
80 per cent of Wales has English as mother tongue. In some cities far higher, in parts of some cities probably 100 per cent.
Unemployment is the same whatever language you use.
English is a world language and we need to perfect that first. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 00:06 - Mar 7 with 906 views | lifelong |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 23:56 - Mar 6 by perchrockjack |
Language is primarily a means of communication.
80 per cent of Wales has English as mother tongue. In some cities far higher, in parts of some cities probably 100 per cent.
Unemployment is the same whatever language you use.
English is a world language and we need to perfect that first. |
Apparently 1.7 million people living in London don't use English as their first language with many 10's of thousands of them unable to speak English at all. |  | | |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 00:10 - Mar 7 with 904 views | perchrockjack |
Thats s vis they re bloody foreigners mun.
G night roger la | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 00:14 - Mar 7 with 903 views | lifelong |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 00:10 - Mar 7 by perchrockjack |
Thats s vis they re bloody foreigners mun.
G night roger la |
Like all the English living in Wales, bloody foreigners, should be made to speak Welsh.  | | | |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 00:14 - Mar 7 with 902 views | trampie |
'perchrockjack' some Welsh people speak better Queens English than the English, Huw Edwards at the Beeb being a point in case, chief presenter for the corporation, Royal weddings, Olympic ceremonies, Elections and the Evening news and he is Welsh born and bred and went to school in Wales and his first job was in Wales and he was born into a Welsh speaking family and he still talks proper English like, init butt . [Post edited 7 Mar 2015 0:20]
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 06:05 - Mar 7 with 877 views | Kilkennyjack |
So almost every country in the world operates successfully with two languages but not Cymru ? English for business as the world language and the local language sits happily alongside it. Thats normal. Digitalisation means the old cost arguements are dead. Look inside yourself and try and find the kindness that values our ancient language and recognises how incredible it is that it has survived being next door to the all powerful english language. It is a treasure in a european context and how any Cymro can wish its demise is astonishing . Aye divide and conquer still working away but our young people have their eyes wide open now. Wales can have both languages. Its a joy not a burden. | |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 12:42 - Mar 7 with 842 views | waynekerr55 |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 06:05 - Mar 7 by Kilkennyjack |
So almost every country in the world operates successfully with two languages but not Cymru ? English for business as the world language and the local language sits happily alongside it. Thats normal. Digitalisation means the old cost arguements are dead. Look inside yourself and try and find the kindness that values our ancient language and recognises how incredible it is that it has survived being next door to the all powerful english language. It is a treasure in a european context and how any Cymro can wish its demise is astonishing . Aye divide and conquer still working away but our young people have their eyes wide open now. Wales can have both languages. Its a joy not a burden. |
Or we could raise the bar and expect to learn 3 or 4 languages like other less fortunate countries do. |  |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 17:56 - Mar 7 with 803 views | libertine |
I was talking to a head in the catholic school in west cross.
He said its a nightmare hes having catholic immigants from Asian countries who cannot speak English and now hes been told that hes got to get their welsh language up to scratch aswell as teaching them English.
Richard burton Anthony Hopkins our Dylan all brilliant passionate orators | | | |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 09:16 - Mar 8 with 776 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 16:40 - Mar 6 by skippyjack |
Why? Nobody speaks it.. It costs f*cking gazillions.. I'm voting UKIP anyway.. A labour government has never wanted me.. A conservative/lib dem government has never wanted me.. Maybe a UKIP party wants me.. I'm not doing it for immigration.. |
Yeah, UKIP will sort you out, Skip. Kinell. |  |
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| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 19:18 - Mar 8 with 737 views | Lohengrin |
| Plaid more old old Labour than old Labour on 09:16 - Mar 8 by exiledclaseboy |
Yeah, UKIP will sort you out, Skip. Kinell. |
Clase, I was showing my pal this thread earlier. A Nuffield College graduate, he says it's one of the funniest things he's read. I told him that while I couldn't be certain I couldn't say for sure that much of it was intended to be satire he was doubled over.
Trampie, he ranks you up there with a young Peter Cook. Take that as the compliment he intended it to be. |  |
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