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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night 09:42 - Mar 18 with 13129 viewsjohnlangy

Excellent.
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 11:18 - Mar 18 with 3236 viewsBrynmill_Jack

What did she say?

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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 12:24 - Mar 18 with 3203 viewsjohnlangy

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 11:18 - Mar 18 by Brynmill_Jack

What did she say?


It was the 'Free Speech' programme at 8.00 pm. She was quizzed by audience members for 20 minutes (after Nicola Sturgeon and Natalie Bennett).

Best to use catch up TV to see it. Too much to write down and remember.
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 13:24 - Mar 18 with 3170 viewsLohengrin

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 12:24 - Mar 18 by johnlangy

It was the 'Free Speech' programme at 8.00 pm. She was quizzed by audience members for 20 minutes (after Nicola Sturgeon and Natalie Bennett).

Best to use catch up TV to see it. Too much to write down and remember.


Too much to remember? I can probably help you out there. "We are a socialist party." "If push came to shove I'd vote Labour."

Arglwydd, sut oedd yn dod i hyn?

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 13:55 - Mar 18 with 3148 viewsCountyJim

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 13:24 - Mar 18 by Lohengrin

Too much to remember? I can probably help you out there. "We are a socialist party." "If push came to shove I'd vote Labour."

Arglwydd, sut oedd yn dod i hyn?


And the Tories would jump into bed with UKIP, your point being
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 14:20 - Mar 18 with 3129 viewsjohnlangy

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 13:24 - Mar 18 by Lohengrin

Too much to remember? I can probably help you out there. "We are a socialist party." "If push came to shove I'd vote Labour."

Arglwydd, sut oedd yn dod i hyn?


You only listened for 20 seconds ?
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 14:23 - Mar 18 with 3126 viewsjohnlangy

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 13:24 - Mar 18 by Lohengrin

Too much to remember? I can probably help you out there. "We are a socialist party." "If push came to shove I'd vote Labour."

Arglwydd, sut oedd yn dod i hyn?


And as the presenter pointedly asked the question would you vote Tory or Labour if that was your only choice I think 'if push came to shove i'd vote Labour' was a very reasonable answer.

What did you expect she'd say ?
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 14:32 - Mar 18 with 3119 viewsLohengrin

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 13:55 - Mar 18 by CountyJim

And the Tories would jump into bed with UKIP, your point being


She made the valid point that there's not enough difference between the parties, she said that politics needs to be made interesting to involve the young. Fine so far, you can't take issue with that. She then sat there and parroted out what appeared to be the minutes of the Cardiff branch of The Fabian Society!

I'm not sure what I'd witnessed? Is this a woman completely and utterly ignorant of the history of the movement she purports to lead or had I just seen the final triumph of left-entryism?

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 14:38 - Mar 18 with 3110 viewsLohengrin

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 14:23 - Mar 18 by johnlangy

And as the presenter pointedly asked the question would you vote Tory or Labour if that was your only choice I think 'if push came to shove i'd vote Labour' was a very reasonable answer.

What did you expect she'd say ?


I would have expected her to have said we are guided by our own lights, I can't forsee any situation where I would have to vitiate sound principles.

She didn't, of course. It wouldn't have occurred to her. She's there to carry Labour's bags after the election.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 14:43 - Mar 18 with 3108 viewslondonlisa2001

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 14:32 - Mar 18 by Lohengrin

She made the valid point that there's not enough difference between the parties, she said that politics needs to be made interesting to involve the young. Fine so far, you can't take issue with that. She then sat there and parroted out what appeared to be the minutes of the Cardiff branch of The Fabian Society!

I'm not sure what I'd witnessed? Is this a woman completely and utterly ignorant of the history of the movement she purports to lead or had I just seen the final triumph of left-entryism?


As you've said before, Plaid now bears little resemblance to the Plaid of even a generation ago.

Someone in a different thread mentioned Huw Edwards (BBC). Now that's the Plaid of a generation ago - well educated, academic, immersed in the history and culture of Wales, Welsh speaking, a real member of the 'Crachach' if you like. Rowan Williams is another of the same ilk.

Very little in common politically with someone like Leanne Wood who is far more 'old Labour' (even rabidly so) than Plaid. As said previously, the true 'Plaid' would no more have dreamt of insulting the Queen than they would of insulting their own Mother.

The old Plaid celebrated the culture, the language, the aspiration, the influence, the very heart, if you like, of Wales, the new Plaid seems to be more concerned with sticking one on anyone that is even remotely successful and / or English.
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 14:51 - Mar 18 with 3102 viewsLohengrin

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 14:43 - Mar 18 by londonlisa2001

As you've said before, Plaid now bears little resemblance to the Plaid of even a generation ago.

Someone in a different thread mentioned Huw Edwards (BBC). Now that's the Plaid of a generation ago - well educated, academic, immersed in the history and culture of Wales, Welsh speaking, a real member of the 'Crachach' if you like. Rowan Williams is another of the same ilk.

Very little in common politically with someone like Leanne Wood who is far more 'old Labour' (even rabidly so) than Plaid. As said previously, the true 'Plaid' would no more have dreamt of insulting the Queen than they would of insulting their own Mother.

The old Plaid celebrated the culture, the language, the aspiration, the influence, the very heart, if you like, of Wales, the new Plaid seems to be more concerned with sticking one on anyone that is even remotely successful and / or English.


In a nutshell, Lisa. It's heartbreaking to behold. The holders of nobler ideals have been displaced and left cultural Marxists in possession of the field.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 14:58 - Mar 18 with 3097 viewslondonlisa2001

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 14:51 - Mar 18 by Lohengrin

In a nutshell, Lisa. It's heartbreaking to behold. The holders of nobler ideals have been displaced and left cultural Marxists in possession of the field.


An even bigger issue is one of influence and ability to make a difference.

I dislike the SNP, but I have been told by several people that when it comes to big business, Alex Salmond is excellent in supporting the position of Scotland. Very well briefed, well read,a good grasp of the topic in hand, well reasoned, able to hold his own in meetings with people of considerable seniority and able to 'get a good deal' for the Scots.

I have heard almost exactly the reverse about Plaid (and the WAG in general).
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 15:19 - Mar 18 with 3075 viewsLohengrin

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 14:58 - Mar 18 by londonlisa2001

An even bigger issue is one of influence and ability to make a difference.

I dislike the SNP, but I have been told by several people that when it comes to big business, Alex Salmond is excellent in supporting the position of Scotland. Very well briefed, well read,a good grasp of the topic in hand, well reasoned, able to hold his own in meetings with people of considerable seniority and able to 'get a good deal' for the Scots.

I have heard almost exactly the reverse about Plaid (and the WAG in general).


I've no reason to doubt any of that.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 15:22 - Mar 18 with 3065 viewsperchrockjack

I find it hard to listen to her but when I do, its makes me weep to hear such outdated drivel such that has held Wales back for decades..
Clear evidence of this is so many on here still going on about the miners dispute. Hitheto, it was Churchill and Tonypandy ; we have to move on and appear forward looking. Its no wonder so many in the UK see us as backward and they do almost as a joke almost invisible and its why when "England" is said it means GB.

Poll: Who has left Wales and why

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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 15:56 - Mar 18 with 3050 viewslibertine

the actual difference with Plaid and the other parties is Plaid actually do things where the other parties simply say they will do things and just spout rhetorical nonsense.

This is in my personal experience, the 2 big parties are not actually interested in helping anyone, they always revert back to European legislation,

We can't help out small business The EU won't let us, "we help all business big and small" what fin nonsense Swansea council are Cardiff fans they don't give a damn about us lot. Swansea is a mess and labour doesn't want to help, they believe that they've done a good job,WTF
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 17:25 - Mar 18 with 2996 viewslondonlisa2001

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 15:56 - Mar 18 by libertine

the actual difference with Plaid and the other parties is Plaid actually do things where the other parties simply say they will do things and just spout rhetorical nonsense.

This is in my personal experience, the 2 big parties are not actually interested in helping anyone, they always revert back to European legislation,

We can't help out small business The EU won't let us, "we help all business big and small" what fin nonsense Swansea council are Cardiff fans they don't give a damn about us lot. Swansea is a mess and labour doesn't want to help, they believe that they've done a good job,WTF


what did Plaid do for Swansea when in coalition government in Wales then? I can't say I noticed some great swathe of improvements that suddenly stopped a few years ago.

And, I'm sorry, but do you realise how silly it sounds when you say things like 'Swansea council are Cardiff fans"?

What are your thoughts on the £1bn investment in Swansea Bay announced by the Tories today?
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:02 - Mar 18 with 2949 viewsKilkennyjack

For context ....well hs2 is £50 billion, London crossrail2 £20 billion to £27 billion, and Heathrow expansion about £9.7 billion. So in comparison .... Trident at £100 billion seems outrageous as well. Btw the Barnett formula costs wales £1.2 billion per annum. Makes you think.

Beware of the Risen People

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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:11 - Mar 18 with 2925 viewslondonlisa2001

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:02 - Mar 18 by Kilkennyjack

For context ....well hs2 is £50 billion, London crossrail2 £20 billion to £27 billion, and Heathrow expansion about £9.7 billion. So in comparison .... Trident at £100 billion seems outrageous as well. Btw the Barnett formula costs wales £1.2 billion per annum. Makes you think.


and the SNP think the Barnett formula should be tweaked to give more to Scotland at the expense of Wales and England. Friends eh???
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:47 - Mar 18 with 2886 viewsperchrockjack

Lisa/

The nationalist parties are a pathetic joke, a side issue ,and really they ll do anything to get votes now that the welsh speaking card has been played to death.

IT REALLY IS A WASTED VOTE

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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 21:46 - Mar 18 with 2862 viewsKilkennyjack

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:47 - Mar 18 by perchrockjack

Lisa/

The nationalist parties are a pathetic joke, a side issue ,and really they ll do anything to get votes now that the welsh speaking card has been played to death.

IT REALLY IS A WASTED VOTE


If kicking red ed's backside and returning over 40 MPs representing the will of the Scottish people is a sideshow - then yes its a sideshow. You sound like you are stuck in the post war era - circa 1950 - to me. Britain has changed and it ain't changing back any time soon. The nations and the English regions have woken up.

Beware of the Risen People

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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 22:32 - Mar 18 with 2826 viewsUxbridge

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 17:25 - Mar 18 by londonlisa2001

what did Plaid do for Swansea when in coalition government in Wales then? I can't say I noticed some great swathe of improvements that suddenly stopped a few years ago.

And, I'm sorry, but do you realise how silly it sounds when you say things like 'Swansea council are Cardiff fans"?

What are your thoughts on the £1bn investment in Swansea Bay announced by the Tories today?


There was no £1bn investment plan for Swansea Bay announced today.

Agree on the rest though. I despair of the state of politics in this country, at all levels.

Blog: Whose money is it anyway?

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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 22:34 - Mar 18 with 2820 viewsblaenaugwentjack

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:47 - Mar 18 by perchrockjack

Lisa/

The nationalist parties are a pathetic joke, a side issue ,and really they ll do anything to get votes now that the welsh speaking card has been played to death.

IT REALLY IS A WASTED VOTE


Yeah the snp need all the help they can get dont they?, The nationalists along with the greens are the only partys with something to offer just slightly radical e.g left of centre. The rest of the london based partys are singing from a very similar song sheet.
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 22:48 - Mar 18 with 2802 viewslondonlisa2001

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 22:32 - Mar 18 by Uxbridge

There was no £1bn investment plan for Swansea Bay announced today.

Agree on the rest though. I despair of the state of politics in this country, at all levels.


no - you're right - I was using shorthand really.

The commitment of Prudential and InfraRed as cornerstone investors with £100m (each) though meant that the 'missing' for it going ahead is the fixed price agreement which would be underwritten by the government. In announcing the project today, the government have effectively indicated consent in principle to the funding although there will now be a full examination of the project. (Which is what the project wanted as they wanted Ed Davey to approve before the election). The caveat however is what will happen if there is a change of government in May.
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 22:54 - Mar 18 with 2792 viewsUxbridge

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 22:48 - Mar 18 by londonlisa2001

no - you're right - I was using shorthand really.

The commitment of Prudential and InfraRed as cornerstone investors with £100m (each) though meant that the 'missing' for it going ahead is the fixed price agreement which would be underwritten by the government. In announcing the project today, the government have effectively indicated consent in principle to the funding although there will now be a full examination of the project. (Which is what the project wanted as they wanted Ed Davey to approve before the election). The caveat however is what will happen if there is a change of government in May.


Or if they stay on power. There was no real commitment today and Im pretty sceptical there will be. Hope you're right though, this could be great for the city.

Blog: Whose money is it anyway?

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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 23:02 - Mar 18 with 2788 viewslondonlisa2001

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:47 - Mar 18 by perchrockjack

Lisa/

The nationalist parties are a pathetic joke, a side issue ,and really they ll do anything to get votes now that the welsh speaking card has been played to death.

IT REALLY IS A WASTED VOTE


I disagree with you on the language point (and the fact that the rise in Nationalism is a side issue, particularly in Scotland).

I am a big supporter of the Welsh language - I believe that it a huge benefit for children to grow up bilingual (it has been proven to significantly help with language and communication skills across the board, whichever 'other' language it is as it gets kids used to the discipline of thinking in more than one language). All the research shows that it also massively helps in learning a third / fourth language.

I also believe there to be a significant inherent merit in keeping alive a language that is one of the oldest living languages in the world. The fact that most of the world speaks English shouldn't mean that no other languages are used / taught - it just means that all kids here should speak English as well (which they do).

I was taught Welsh pretty badly for only a few years in school, but I wish that I could speak it properly. My cousins (both teachers) have learnt as adults, as did my Mum. If I ever find the time (when retired perhaps), I will try to learn how to speak it as fluently as possible (even though I live in England). I would hate to see it die out - I don't have to go back too many generations in my family before you start finding people that couldn't speak any English, only Welsh!
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Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 23:05 - Mar 18 with 2786 viewslondonlisa2001

Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 22:54 - Mar 18 by Uxbridge

Or if they stay on power. There was no real commitment today and Im pretty sceptical there will be. Hope you're right though, this could be great for the city.


I am less sceptical after today as they generally avoid these big 'flagship' type announcements unless they are pretty certain of their support in principle.

I agree though - even now, the number of articles all over the internet about Swansea Bay and the history of industry in Swansea is great.
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