| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night 09:42 - Mar 18 with 13154 views | johnlangy |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 12:09 - Mar 22 with 1437 views | trampie |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 08:35 - Mar 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Repositioning is correct. A party based on a bunch of well meaning small town lawyer types is simply not going appeal in the modern world. Like the SNP, Plaid is on a journey that allows it to step into areas now simply abandoned by New Labour. Its the labour party that has moved not their core voters. Plaid now represents the party who will put the welsh peoples interests first rather than it being a London 'after thought'. The fact that Leanne is so different to the posh boy boring bastards that are Clegg, Dai Cam, ed miliband, and that idiot Farage makes the point. Gwynfor was a conviction politician - right or wrong - and Leanne is made of similar stuff. People can relate to that. An extra £1.2 billion a year for Wales from the reform of Barnet would be a good argument to win. And thats simply insisting on equal treatment for Wales. |
Good post Kilkenny, Gwynfor was a conviction politician and Leanne is a conviction politician there are very few about, literally you can count them on one hand these days but Ms Wood up to this point has been one of them and good for her on that score. |  |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 12:17 - Mar 22 with 1432 views | trampie |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 09:29 - Mar 22 by Brynmill_Jack |
Can't fault any of that. If it were possible to unite those kinds of intellects with the social visions of Bevan it would be a party I'd certainly vote for. |
Plaid have really been lucky to have had some excellent leaders over the years, there was the founding fathers, Gwynfor [one of the greatest political people of my lifetime], Elis-Thomas when he was younger and more radical and Wigley.
Adam Price I believe is back from Harvard University and no doubt he would make another good if not great leader if he gets back on the horse. | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 12:46 - Mar 22 with 1417 views | trampie |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 09:23 - Mar 22 by Lohengrin |
I had the pleasure of meeting Gwynfor Evans on a few occasions, I'd made the effort to go see him speaking several times as he was always somebody that had something to say worth listening to. He was quite posh and rather grand in his way too, Kilkenny. Your comments above made me smile in that respect. A graduate of St John's, Oxford and a naturally talented linguist he was one of the more cerebral politicians of his generation; heartily disliked by Welsh Labour too, may I add, partly because he had very little of the back-slapping, false-bonhomie of the valleys politico claque about him. But mostly, of course, because he had the perspicacity to see Labour for the fount of hot air and empty promises it really was.
Gwynfor in his time was also the living embodiment of the elite I referred to in an earlier post on this thread. I think young Trampie rather got the wrong end of the stick in his reply because I was referring to the arising of a select group of individuals, a vanguard, or cadre if you prefer, with the commitment to stick their neck out and endure for a cause they valued more than their personal comfort and reputation. For Saunders Lewis and his friends that time came with the Penyberth fire and the subsequent trials. For Gwynfor it was his commitment to go on hunger strike if government promises made over the set-up of a Welsh language station were reneged on. Those are the actions of an elite, that's what I meant when I used the phrase earlier.
Now I don't think I'm being discourteous to Ms Wood or any of the modernisers surrounding her when I say that neither she nor they are cut from that cloth. Very few are. |
Gwynfor was an intellectual political great and it must have been an honour to meet such a person.
The Welsh elite as you call them that formed Plaid and the likes of Gwynfor would be delighted I think to have a conviction politician like Leanne as leader, South Walian valley's and a female and conviction politician too boot because the world has moved on and its a sign that Plaid is modern and moved on as well.
This is 2015 not 1925, the best route for that Welsh cultural elite to get their wish of saving the language and culture is to get a party in power that is sympathetic and not only that but a party that puts Wales first and favours social justice policies which helps the petite bourgeoisie as well as ordinary people.
You think the founding fathers wouldn't like Leanne's politics or the modern party, I think they would like modern Plaid and Leanne's politics.
Who have you voted for over the years Lohengrin ?, I have you marked down as a British Nationalist, imperialism, Monarchist, elitist, survival of the fittest, low tax, low spend type, so I would guess you would be a supporter of the Conservative and Unionist party ?
But the reason I ask is you are gushing in the praise of the men that lead Plaid in the early years, I don't know your age but would you have voted Plaid in the 20's,30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's etc if you had been able too ?
Wigley took over the Presidency from Gwynfor in 81' I think and that was the year that Plaid made community or decentralised socialism one of their aims, although they had been centre left for years before that.
Its strange that you seem to like some Plaid leaders but not Plaid, at least not the Plaid of the last 3 or 4 decades, seems contradictory and odd. | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 18:26 - Mar 22 with 1377 views | Lohengrin |
You've covered a lot of ground and taken a few odd turns in your last few posts so I'll try and answer your main points as succinctly as I can.
* Eugenics? I'm not sure where that's come from? To the best of my knowledge Plaid in the inter-war years had nothing to say on the matter, although I stand to be corrected. Most of the vocal proponents of Eugenics tended to come from the left: Lenin, Marx and The Webbs spring readily to mind.
* Would I have supported Plaid in the '20s, '30s etc... Yes in all probability I would have. One set of Great-Grandparents on my Father's side were themselves amongst the founding members of Plaid so if by dint of circumstance I had been born into an earlier generation of my family then there's the possibility I may have played some sort of an active role. I have voted Plaid in the past, also as a schoolboy I volunteered to deliver Plaid literature for the 1979 Referendum.
* Do I think the founding fathers wouldn't have liked Leanne's politics or the modern party? In all honesty if this was still 1925 and the moral absolutes of the time were prevalent then I very much doubt that Leanne Wood, Bethan Jenkins or Adam Price would have been allowed to join, not that they'd have wanted to. |  |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 19:27 - Mar 22 with 1364 views | trampie |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 18:26 - Mar 22 by Lohengrin |
You've covered a lot of ground and taken a few odd turns in your last few posts so I'll try and answer your main points as succinctly as I can.
* Eugenics? I'm not sure where that's come from? To the best of my knowledge Plaid in the inter-war years had nothing to say on the matter, although I stand to be corrected. Most of the vocal proponents of Eugenics tended to come from the left: Lenin, Marx and The Webbs spring readily to mind.
* Would I have supported Plaid in the '20s, '30s etc... Yes in all probability I would have. One set of Great-Grandparents on my Father's side were themselves amongst the founding members of Plaid so if by dint of circumstance I had been born into an earlier generation of my family then there's the possibility I may have played some sort of an active role. I have voted Plaid in the past, also as a schoolboy I volunteered to deliver Plaid literature for the 1979 Referendum.
* Do I think the founding fathers wouldn't have liked Leanne's politics or the modern party? In all honesty if this was still 1925 and the moral absolutes of the time were prevalent then I very much doubt that Leanne Wood, Bethan Jenkins or Adam Price would have been allowed to join, not that they'd have wanted to. |
Eugenics came from the right with Roosevelt, Hoover, Hitler and Churchill linked with it.
You mentioned European higher culture the book that Hitler said was his bible (written by an American), showed the Welsh in a different group to the English, the civilised intellectual group and you was talking about Welsh elitism and culture in the 1920's , so you seemed to be making that link.
I dont think Plaid was linked with eugenics in any shape or form but others at the time were including some just over the border, Plaid once again being the nice party hey.
You delivered leaflets as a schoolboy is it, leafets with the aim of breaking up the British State by the look of it, was you politically abused as a youngster young Lohengrin ?, because you seem to be on the other side of the fence these days .I reckon im the same age as you and you called me young trampie, I can see why now. LOL.
You a Plaid voter in the past and now you have given your age away you voted for a socialist party at the time you voted, a separatist socialist party, I never, but there again you have been gushing about some old Plaid ideals and leaders so i had to ask you whats going on.
Me ive stayed loyal to my principles and always voted on the left only changing party once, 30 odd years ago.
Leanne, Bethan and Adam are all young in political terms and all 'red', this is where Plaid have been for donkeys years, you need to get with the programme young Lohengrin its not 1925 anymore.  [Post edited 22 Mar 2015 19:47]
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 22:00 - Mar 22 with 1357 views | Lohengrin |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 19:27 - Mar 22 by trampie |
Eugenics came from the right with Roosevelt, Hoover, Hitler and Churchill linked with it.
You mentioned European higher culture the book that Hitler said was his bible (written by an American), showed the Welsh in a different group to the English, the civilised intellectual group and you was talking about Welsh elitism and culture in the 1920's , so you seemed to be making that link.
I dont think Plaid was linked with eugenics in any shape or form but others at the time were including some just over the border, Plaid once again being the nice party hey.
You delivered leaflets as a schoolboy is it, leafets with the aim of breaking up the British State by the look of it, was you politically abused as a youngster young Lohengrin ?, because you seem to be on the other side of the fence these days .I reckon im the same age as you and you called me young trampie, I can see why now. LOL.
You a Plaid voter in the past and now you have given your age away you voted for a socialist party at the time you voted, a separatist socialist party, I never, but there again you have been gushing about some old Plaid ideals and leaders so i had to ask you whats going on.
Me ive stayed loyal to my principles and always voted on the left only changing party once, 30 odd years ago.
Leanne, Bethan and Adam are all young in political terms and all 'red', this is where Plaid have been for donkeys years, you need to get with the programme young Lohengrin its not 1925 anymore. [Post edited 22 Mar 2015 19:47]
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* What book written by an American? You're not talking about Henry Ford, are you? Good God almighty! Listen I'll tell you as a straight fact, whether you like it or not, Eugenics in Britain was largely, though not exclusively, championed by the left. It's a matter of indisputable public record. I've already mentioned The Webbs, how deep do you want to go? Harold Laski founder of The Left Book Club was an ardent advocate, as was William Beveridge, father of the welfare state. Keynes was Director of the Eugenics Society for years for goodness sake and you'll find editorials and leader-articles in both The Guardian and The New Statesman during the inter-war years that would make your toes curl read at this remove.
* As far as delivering the leaflets goes, yes I was more than happy to do it. Our next door neighbour when I was growing up was a lifelong member of Plaid and I didn't think twice when he asked me to lend him a hand. He was a retired schoolmaster, a widower, who became one of the family, really. Like a third grandfather. He was more than that, though, he had all the time in the world on his hands and a huge collection of books. He was a scholar, an intellectual in the immediate sense and his vocation in life was to impart knowledge. By all accounts I started reading at an improbably young age and I suppose he sensed in me a kindred spirit. I must have had the best tutoring, the best possible start imaginable. By the time I went to secondary school I'd ploughed my way through Byron, Dryden, GBS, Flaubert, Ibsen, had a good handle on Proust and Blake and could probably have told you everything worth knowing about Ruskin, Morris, Cobbett or Pasternak. It wouldn't have been a Panini sticker album in my coat pocket for breaktime it would have been Gogol's Dead Souls. I had the importance of our cultural heritage drummed into me and the interconnection of our shared European literature outlined in thorough detail.
My principles haven't changed much at all, Trampie. When it comes to election time my main concern is who will help keep the gates closed to the twin threats of mob and money; stop the Barbarians from inflicting too much harm on that inheritance.
* Just one last point as regards the terrible trio (  ) if this really was 1925 the chances are they'd have all been card-carrying Communists. I can't say for sure, Trampie, but I suspect that the rather Bohemian charms of an unmarried Mother living tally with an anarchist, a girl whose idea of a fun night is to drive around Cardiff blind drunk in her pyjamas and oversize tiger-feet slippers and a very loud, very gay chap from up Ammanford way would have been lost on the generation of the Welsh Revival. I could be wrong, mind?  | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 22:53 - Mar 22 with 1335 views | trampie |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 22:00 - Mar 22 by Lohengrin |
* What book written by an American? You're not talking about Henry Ford, are you? Good God almighty! Listen I'll tell you as a straight fact, whether you like it or not, Eugenics in Britain was largely, though not exclusively, championed by the left. It's a matter of indisputable public record. I've already mentioned The Webbs, how deep do you want to go? Harold Laski founder of The Left Book Club was an ardent advocate, as was William Beveridge, father of the welfare state. Keynes was Director of the Eugenics Society for years for goodness sake and you'll find editorials and leader-articles in both The Guardian and The New Statesman during the inter-war years that would make your toes curl read at this remove.
* As far as delivering the leaflets goes, yes I was more than happy to do it. Our next door neighbour when I was growing up was a lifelong member of Plaid and I didn't think twice when he asked me to lend him a hand. He was a retired schoolmaster, a widower, who became one of the family, really. Like a third grandfather. He was more than that, though, he had all the time in the world on his hands and a huge collection of books. He was a scholar, an intellectual in the immediate sense and his vocation in life was to impart knowledge. By all accounts I started reading at an improbably young age and I suppose he sensed in me a kindred spirit. I must have had the best tutoring, the best possible start imaginable. By the time I went to secondary school I'd ploughed my way through Byron, Dryden, GBS, Flaubert, Ibsen, had a good handle on Proust and Blake and could probably have told you everything worth knowing about Ruskin, Morris, Cobbett or Pasternak. It wouldn't have been a Panini sticker album in my coat pocket for breaktime it would have been Gogol's Dead Souls. I had the importance of our cultural heritage drummed into me and the interconnection of our shared European literature outlined in thorough detail.
My principles haven't changed much at all, Trampie. When it comes to election time my main concern is who will help keep the gates closed to the twin threats of mob and money; stop the Barbarians from inflicting too much harm on that inheritance.
* Just one last point as regards the terrible trio ( ) if this really was 1925 the chances are they'd have all been card-carrying Communists. I can't say for sure, Trampie, but I suspect that the rather Bohemian charms of an unmarried Mother living tally with an anarchist, a girl whose idea of a fun night is to drive around Cardiff blind drunk in her pyjamas and oversize tiger-feet slippers and a very loud, very gay chap from up Ammanford way would have been lost on the generation of the Welsh Revival. I could be wrong, mind? |
I was referring to Madison Grant's 'Passing of the great race', didn't Hitler write to him and thank him for writing the book and called it his bible, weren't the Welsh classified as part of the Mediterranean group per his maps and distinct from our Eastern Nordic/Germanic neighbours and didn't Grant class the 'med' types as intellectual and cultural heavyweights .
You name left wingers as been interested and I named right wingers, people of their time were they not, yet the Plaid elite did not seem to be involved although you seem to note their culturally elitism/superiority.
Your neighbour was a life long Plaid supporter and a scholar and an intellectual and a schoolmaster you say, there are many in Plaid like that, perhaps that is why they are said to be the party of the Welsh intelligentsia by some.
Yet the party is a socialist party (national trait of the Welsh or just co-incidence ?), the word socialist might be outdated now, social justice im told is the new phrase these days.
In 1925 you say, its 2015 the three you mention are at the heart of the party which has evolved from being nothing more than a pressure group to a fully fledged political entity. [Post edited 22 Mar 2015 23:22]
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 23:15 - Mar 22 with 1327 views | perchrockjack |
Fair play loh, astounding articulacy there. Makes mevfeelmdirty for not studying at school as I should but all I wanted to do was play music and hang about with pretty girls.
Shallow as feck.
Principles I had ,to a degree, but they re vastly overated as a means to feed your family and can lead to much painful soul searching along the way.
I read the beans and wanted to have Dennis the menace for a brother.
Pansy potter was my wet dream material. Pure filth | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 01:02 - Mar 23 with 1309 views | Humpty |
Fair play to both Trampie and Lohengrin. Superb political discourse. Much nicer than they usual childish bollocks that is the favoured norm on here.
BTW, Lohengrin does wish it was 1925. |  | | |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 09:47 - Mar 23 with 1284 views | perchrockjack |
I just hope Ms Wood buys her self a decent outfit for TV and hopefully she ll not buy t in Primark and has a little elocution | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 19:39 - Mar 30 with 1191 views | trampie |
The lovely Leanne just needs to look as nice as ever, do her girly smile and just answer the questions in the leaders debate, nothing more. | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 19:57 - Mar 30 with 1189 views | Lohengrin |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 19:39 - Mar 30 by trampie |
The lovely Leanne just needs to look as nice as ever, do her girly smile and just answer the questions in the leaders debate, nothing more. |
I've got a question for her: As leader of I'r Blaid what the f***in' Hell does she think she's doing donating money to The Communist Party?????
She's a disgrace!  | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:27 - Mar 30 with 1162 views | trampie |
There is a difference to being leader of I'r Blaid and not being leader of I'r Blaid and being an individual, the lovely Leanne has written articles for various left wing publications and spoken at left wing rallies, she is a red Rhondda rebel, she is for real, she was voted in as leader and embraced by the petite bourgeoisie Plaid faithful knowing full well that her politics are on the left, I have told you over and over that Plaid Cymru are a left of centre party and have been for decades and decades it was the direction they moved in from the early days, it seems that some people need to get with the programme and get up to date. | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:28 - Mar 30 with 1156 views | exiledclaseboy |
Has she really donated to the Communist Party? That's funny. Wonder if someone will mention it on Thursday. |  |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:33 - Mar 30 with 1149 views | Lohengrin |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:27 - Mar 30 by trampie |
There is a difference to being leader of I'r Blaid and not being leader of I'r Blaid and being an individual, the lovely Leanne has written articles for various left wing publications and spoken at left wing rallies, she is a red Rhondda rebel, she is for real, she was voted in as leader and embraced by the petite bourgeoisie Plaid faithful knowing full well that her politics are on the left, I have told you over and over that Plaid Cymru are a left of centre party and have been for decades and decades it was the direction they moved in from the early days, it seems that some people need to get with the programme and get up to date. |
The Communists aren't left of centre, they're clean off the spectrum! Moreover they are evil in a palpable sense. If that's who she is when the mask slips behind closed doors then the Social Services ought to be up to Tonypandy quick sharp and take that poor child away.
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:46 - Mar 30 with 1125 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 19:39 - Mar 30 by trampie |
The lovely Leanne just needs to look as nice as ever, do her girly smile and just answer the questions in the leaders debate, nothing more. |
That is correct :-) |  |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:55 - Mar 30 with 1116 views | trampie |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:28 - Mar 30 by exiledclaseboy |
Has she really donated to the Communist Party? That's funny. Wonder if someone will mention it on Thursday. |
Depends how far back you want to go in every leaders case ? , in Leanne's case she has been on the front line, she is for real, not a plastic public school type from the South of England that has never had a proper job as some would see it. | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 21:00 - Mar 30 with 1109 views | Lohengrin |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 20:55 - Mar 30 by trampie |
Depends how far back you want to go in every leaders case ? , in Leanne's case she has been on the front line, she is for real, not a plastic public school type from the South of England that has never had a proper job as some would see it. |
Like Cayo Evans, Millfield alumni and former officer in The South Wales Borderers who fought to put down the Communist insurgency in Malaya. People like that? | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 21:06 - Mar 30 with 1102 views | trampie |
Freedom and democracy are important to some people, keeping a left wing newspaper going as a forum for debate among the left is important, that is what we are talking about here, Leanne's politics as an individual are a good fit with Plaid's as a party. | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 21:16 - Mar 30 with 1096 views | Lohengrin |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 21:06 - Mar 30 by trampie |
Freedom and democracy are important to some people, keeping a left wing newspaper going as a forum for debate among the left is important, that is what we are talking about here, Leanne's politics as an individual are a good fit with Plaid's as a party. |
I'm not having any of that. None at all. Don't pretend that Communism can be equated with freedom and democracy. If your Leanne's politics are those of a communist then words fail me in all honesty.
Plaid are a Nationalist party. That's the philosophy they were founded to promote and it still was the last time I checked, I don't care how far to the left you think they have bent. Communism seeks to destroy the very concept of nationality, there's no middle ground, no possibility of synthesis here.
She has to be made to step down. Where on earth is Dafydd Iwan? | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 21:16 - Mar 30 with 1094 views | trampie |
| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 21:00 - Mar 30 by Lohengrin |
Like Cayo Evans, Millfield alumni and former officer in The South Wales Borderers who fought to put down the Communist insurgency in Malaya. People like that? |
She wasn't born until the 70's mun. lol. | |
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| Leanne Wood on BBC3 last night on 21:18 - Mar 30 with 1090 views | exiledclaseboy |
I'm sensing a one man "Leanne Out" campaign gaining momentum here. | |
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I'm not sure what's funnier, the fact that "lovely Leanne" did this or your entirely genuine disgust and outrage. Was this a recent donation? 