| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread 20:33 - Apr 7 with 83310 views | exiledclaseboy |
About time we had one and it's got the word "official" in the title so that makes all the difference. If a mod wants to sticky it, feel free.
I seem to remember that five years ago (on the old, better Planet Swans) we got to nearly 100 pages and then another 60odd with the "aftermath" thread. They were good fun but there were more posters then and we were all a bit more tolerant of others' views. Let's try to be nice to each other, eh.
Anyway, best site for opinion polls is this one in my experience:
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
Polls are so tight the only conclusion is that the Tories and Labour are head to head nationwide. Can't put a whisker between them.
Tories need about 39-40% for an overall majority. Labour will probably get one on 36-37%. God bless our ridiculous voting system.
So, enjoy yourselves. I'll start with a prediction. Labour to win most seats but slightly fewer votes than the Tories and end up forming some kind of minority government with support from various parliamentary lefties on a vote by vote basis. And then all of a sudden many Tory supporters will discover that they've always hated first past the post and can't understand why we perpetuate a system under which the party which more people voted for than any other can lose the election. It'll be quite funny and lead to calls for a proper voting system. Which everyone will forget about in six months when all the fuss has died down.
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 22:23 - Apr 25 with 1882 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 14:46 - Apr 25 by trampie |
Leanne looking very regal yesterday on the box, she was interviewed by Allegra Stratton in a lovely setting, the Newsnight's political editor apparently said of Leanne that she is ''A very admirably modest politician'', bet she doesn't say that about many other politicians.
There was clips of Leanne trying to coach Allegra over and over so the interviewer could say Cymru, it seemed like her Cambridge education didn't do her much good in that instance. lol. [Post edited 25 Apr 2015 20:25]
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I doubt very much whether she said "a very admirably modest politician" as English seems to be her first language.
Fancy not learning Welsh at Cambridge eh? Elitist bitch... |  | | |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 22:32 - Apr 25 with 1872 views | Cottsy |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 20:39 - Apr 25 by trampie |
As the loose alliance of progressive parties have been saying:-
Vote Plaid in Wales
Green in England
And SNP in Scotland.
Its the way forward.  |
Vote Plaid in Wales
Green in England
SNP in Scotland
And have a Conservative government in Westminster |  |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 23:13 - Apr 25 with 1857 views | Gundog |
I am a local businessman and I will
be voting for the party that is taking this country
forwards ie the conservatives .
If I here the fecking word AUSTERITY any more by Plaid fecking Gumtree
or that fecking tawat Willyband who wants to take Britain back to the Scargale era
and that Nationalist twast Herr Stergeon who wants to destroy any nuclear defensive
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 00:10 - Apr 26 with 1844 views | perchrockjack |
At least Tommy is honest and proves my point.
Plenty people ,good people vote conservative.
To suggest otherwise is skank | |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 10:27 - Apr 26 with 1764 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 22:32 - Apr 25 by Cottsy |
Vote Plaid in Wales
Green in England
SNP in Scotland
And have a Conservative government in Westminster |
Exactly. | |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 14:16 - Apr 26 with 1711 views | tomdickharry |
Conservatives beginning to pull ahead the polls, gap will widen when more and more Conservatives return to the fold,the worse thing that happened to the Labour Party in recent times is the emergence if the SNP as the major party in Scotland. Wonder who the new leader of the Labour Party will be after the election. | | | |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 14:29 - Apr 26 with 1701 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 14:16 - Apr 26 by tomdickharry |
Conservatives beginning to pull ahead the polls, gap will widen when more and more Conservatives return to the fold,the worse thing that happened to the Labour Party in recent times is the emergence if the SNP as the major party in Scotland. Wonder who the new leader of the Labour Party will be after the election. |
The polls have been static. Various Labour leads, various Conservative leads, all within the margin of error. Neck and neck. No ones pulled ahead. | |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 14:43 - Apr 26 with 1695 views | Uxbridge |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 22:32 - Apr 25 by Cottsy |
Vote Plaid in Wales
Green in England
SNP in Scotland
And have a Conservative government in Westminster |
Why? Theres no feasible way a minority Conservative govt would make it past the Queens speech. |  |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:19 - Apr 26 with 1667 views | libertine |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 14:11 - Apr 25 by Uxbridge |
So it's backward to vote as your parents did, but it's logical to vote the opposite just to be different? |
yes it is backward,
if your voting for a party that your parents used to vote for because it represented them in its socialist values,
but it is no longer socialist its almost right wing.
Same thing with the tories voting for tories when they are skint and believe david Cameron is just like them.
on the Andy Marr show this Morning it showed that Boris and re ed went to the same school,
these 2 have nothing in common with any of us on here, they probably had a bet during infant fox hunting lessons, when the horses were being watered
"Take that" Millipants (as Boris bloods young Ed with a sopping wet foxes tail)
Damn you Bwowiss you may be better than me at fox hunting, but I bwet you I can beet you at politicts, hell yes! |  | | |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:38 - Apr 26 with 1655 views | Cottsy |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 14:43 - Apr 26 by Uxbridge |
Why? Theres no feasible way a minority Conservative govt would make it past the Queens speech. |
Because if the left vote is split it's more likely to deliver more Tory seats rather than extra seats for Plaid/Greens. | |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:40 - Apr 26 with 1654 views | Cottsy |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:19 - Apr 26 by libertine |
yes it is backward,
if your voting for a party that your parents used to vote for because it represented them in its socialist values,
but it is no longer socialist its almost right wing.
Same thing with the tories voting for tories when they are skint and believe david Cameron is just like them.
on the Andy Marr show this Morning it showed that Boris and re ed went to the same school,
these 2 have nothing in common with any of us on here, they probably had a bet during infant fox hunting lessons, when the horses were being watered
"Take that" Millipants (as Boris bloods young Ed with a sopping wet foxes tail)
Damn you Bwowiss you may be better than me at fox hunting, but I bwet you I can beet you at politicts, hell yes! |
Did Boris go to Haverstock Comp? I always thought he went to Eton. | |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:48 - Apr 26 with 1646 views | Lohengrin |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 14:29 - Apr 26 by exiledclaseboy |
The polls have been static. Various Labour leads, various Conservative leads, all within the margin of error. Neck and neck. No ones pulled ahead. |
I'd not put too much credence in pollsters. Not an exact science, is it? It's nigh on impossible to gauge which way some forty million or so are going to vote by extrapolating the intentions expressed by a few hundred or even a few thousand that are canvassed. |  |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:53 - Apr 26 with 1639 views | Uxbridge |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:19 - Apr 26 by libertine |
yes it is backward,
if your voting for a party that your parents used to vote for because it represented them in its socialist values,
but it is no longer socialist its almost right wing.
Same thing with the tories voting for tories when they are skint and believe david Cameron is just like them.
on the Andy Marr show this Morning it showed that Boris and re ed went to the same school,
these 2 have nothing in common with any of us on here, they probably had a bet during infant fox hunting lessons, when the horses were being watered
"Take that" Millipants (as Boris bloods young Ed with a sopping wet foxes tail)
Damn you Bwowiss you may be better than me at fox hunting, but I bwet you I can beet you at politicts, hell yes! |
If the former is backward then the latter, for effectively the same reason, is equally so. That was my point. | |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:57 - Apr 26 with 1631 views | Uxbridge |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:38 - Apr 26 by Cottsy |
Because if the left vote is split it's more likely to deliver more Tory seats rather than extra seats for Plaid/Greens. |
Hardly. The Tories wont be increasing their seats in the Celtic fringe due to resurgent nationalists. Difficult to see where the Greens will have that sort of impact too. | |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:57 - Apr 26 with 1631 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:48 - Apr 26 by Lohengrin |
I'd not put too much credence in pollsters. Not an exact science, is it? It's nigh on impossible to gauge which way some forty million or so are going to vote by extrapolating the intentions expressed by a few hundred or even a few thousand that are canvassed. |
Well they pretty much always get it right and advertisers, not to mention political parties in this case, spend millions according to the work they do. | |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 17:05 - Apr 26 with 1626 views | Lohengrin |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:57 - Apr 26 by exiledclaseboy |
Well they pretty much always get it right and advertisers, not to mention political parties in this case, spend millions according to the work they do. |
Was it you that mentioned '92 earlier in the thread? I seem to recall all indicators pointing to a Labour cake-walk. | |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 17:11 - Apr 26 with 1622 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 17:05 - Apr 26 by Lohengrin |
Was it you that mentioned '92 earlier in the thread? I seem to recall all indicators pointing to a Labour cake-walk. |
Yes it's in there somewhere in among the pointless nationalist navel gazing. Everyone who doubts the polls refers to 1992 where they did get it badly wrong, 23 years ago, where they were predicting either a hung parliament or a small Labour majority which turned out to be a small Tory majority. Not since though. Of course it's not an exact science but they don't just interview a couple of thousand people and assume everyone else will go the same way either. What the national polls aren't telling us this time though is the effect of the SNP, which has pretty much single-handedly killed Labour's chance of a majority just as UKIP has with the Tories chances.
I'm sure you'll be here on 8 May to say "I told you so" if the polls don't change and the result is unexpected. [Post edited 26 Apr 2015 17:14]
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 17:16 - Apr 26 with 1611 views | exiledclaseboy |
The two faces of The Sun.
English coverage of the SNP manifesto:
Same day in the Scotland edition:
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 18:29 - Apr 26 with 1570 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:19 - Apr 26 by libertine |
yes it is backward,
if your voting for a party that your parents used to vote for because it represented them in its socialist values,
but it is no longer socialist its almost right wing.
Same thing with the tories voting for tories when they are skint and believe david Cameron is just like them.
on the Andy Marr show this Morning it showed that Boris and re ed went to the same school,
these 2 have nothing in common with any of us on here, they probably had a bet during infant fox hunting lessons, when the horses were being watered
"Take that" Millipants (as Boris bloods young Ed with a sopping wet foxes tail)
Damn you Bwowiss you may be better than me at fox hunting, but I bwet you I can beet you at politicts, hell yes! |
they didn't go to the same school.
Ed went to Haverstock Comp in Chalk Farm and Boris went to Eton.
Ed went to the same school as Marlon Harewood and John Barnes - perhaps they went infant fox hunting together?
They did both go to Oxford although to different colleges (but were there at the same time, as was Cameron). | | | |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 19:50 - Apr 26 with 1537 views | trampie |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 22:23 - Apr 25 by WarwickHunt |
I doubt very much whether she said "a very admirably modest politician" as English seems to be her first language.
Fancy not learning Welsh at Cambridge eh? Elitist bitch... |
Check her twitter account, top of the pile at the moment, it shows a pic of her and the lovely Leanne and with her saying 'really enjoyed interviewing Leanne Wood' and then going on to describe Ms Wood as "a very admirably modest politician". |  |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 19:58 - Apr 26 with 1528 views | trampie |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 22:10 - Apr 25 by Gundog |
God help us if Miliband and the nationalists get to grip on this country.
We are on the right way to economic recovery now, the last thing Britain needs now
is this shower of shit driving us back to the past. |
Back to having our general rubbish picked up weekly and not fortnightly, back to having all our street lights switched on and not just every other light, back to having many public libraries and swimming pools you mean, back to small communities having their own school, police station and post office you mean, back to a time when we paid taxes and had services in return that is what the country would get in the long term if the social justice parties get in, but not if Miliband gets in, he and his party are just another Tory party. [Post edited 26 Apr 2015 20:00]
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 20:04 - Apr 26 with 1515 views | trampie |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 22:32 - Apr 25 by Cottsy |
Vote Plaid in Wales
Green in England
SNP in Scotland
And have a Conservative government in Westminster |
More or less the same difference as the alternative is the Red Tories, there is little difference between the Red or the Blue Tories, both austerity parties, vote anti austerity, vote for the people not for the bankers, did I say bankers ?....hmm. | |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 20:12 - Apr 26 with 1500 views | trampie |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 23:13 - Apr 25 by Gundog |
I am a local businessman and I will
be voting for the party that is taking this country
forwards ie the conservatives .
If I here the fecking word AUSTERITY any more by Plaid fecking Gumtree
or that fecking tawat Willyband who wants to take Britain back to the Scargale era
and that Nationalist twast Herr Stergeon who wants to destroy any nuclear defensive
capabilities that Britain has. |
The Conservatives are and have been taking the country backwards at a rate of knots along with their NuLabour friends, its a race to the bottom with those two parties, look after the top 1% at the expense of the 99%, I see figures out recently are showing the rich in the UK are getting richer, much richer, when the amount of people using foodbanks reached a million people last year. | |
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| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 20:30 - Apr 26 with 1481 views | libertine |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 16:40 - Apr 26 by Cottsy |
Did Boris go to Haverstock Comp? I always thought he went to Eton. |
as I said I infant fox hunting classes
Boris smirked knowing what everyone thinks of himself a posh tory spoilt tw@ and said he went to the same school as me but you won't here him say that.
in other words i'm a posh tory tw@ and so is he | | | |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 20:34 - Apr 26 with 1476 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The Official Planet Swans General Election 2015 Thread on 19:58 - Apr 26 by trampie |
Back to having our general rubbish picked up weekly and not fortnightly, back to having all our street lights switched on and not just every other light, back to having many public libraries and swimming pools you mean, back to small communities having their own school, police station and post office you mean, back to a time when we paid taxes and had services in return that is what the country would get in the long term if the social justice parties get in, but not if Miliband gets in, he and his party are just another Tory party. [Post edited 26 Apr 2015 20:00]
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You are blaming the wrong people Trampie.
We get our rubbish collected every week here (normal and recycling) and free pick up of all garden waste every week as well.
Also have no issue with street lighting, several public libraries, including a brand spanking new one in Shepherds Bush and a new public swimming pool has just been opened a couple of miles down the road.
Oh, and I have a Labour local authority and less public money per head is spent here than where you are.
And we have policemen walking around (they've been put back onto the streets rather than in cars) - we even have two on horseback that trot past every day (for strange reasons). Have a local post office and a big one not far away and I live next door to a thriving state primary school.
The difference (or one of them) I suspect, is that most of the services I have outlined are provided by the council outsourcing to private companies, not keeping services in house. And we possibly have higher council tax although I don't know. The other difference of course, is that I live in an incredibly highly populated area which has a lot of downsides but the density of population does also have advantages as well.
From what you have said on here, you want to have all the good bits of living somewhere with a far higher quality of life, but also want exactly the same services as I get and to pay no more. In my mind, that's not particularly 'just' either. | | | |
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