| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean 12:48 - Apr 26 with 6565 views | libertine |
can someone clarify simply how our country is being run ?
Is it a conlib - labour -- whatever council your in run government,
and if so does it make any difference who's at the top
there seems to be a lot of confusion, would this then mean that Wales has been labour for a long time???
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 12:53 - Apr 26 with 5325 views | exiledclaseboy |
The UK government is currently run by the Con/Libdem coalition.
The UK parliament some years ago decided to devolve responsibility for some issues to the Welsh and Scottish governments and the Northern Ireland Executive.
The Welsh government can only legislate on issues devolved to it by the UK parliamnt and spend money allocated to it by the UK parliament.
The Welsh government is currently run by Labour, as is Swansea City council.
That's about the basics of it. |  |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 12:59 - Apr 26 with 5312 views | libertine |
so clasey if we blame the welsh situation on the tories then its not altogether true as we have made our own decisions?
not a lot of people know this!
so the barnet formula would obviously give the welshgovernment more money as Leanne says.
Why would any welsh person not want this? | | | |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 13:00 - Apr 26 with 5311 views | yescomeon |
Home rule would make things easier |  |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 13:04 - Apr 26 with 5305 views | exiledclaseboy |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 12:59 - Apr 26 by libertine |
so clasey if we blame the welsh situation on the tories then its not altogether true as we have made our own decisions?
not a lot of people know this!
so the barnet formula would obviously give the welshgovernment more money as Leanne says.
Why would any welsh person not want this? |
No, it's not altogether fair to blame the Tories for all of Wales's ills at all. But it's important to remember that Wales can only spend money allocated to it by the UK government. So if that's reduced, the Welsh government's spending power is also reduced. The Welsh government (as far as I know) has no power at the moment to raise or borrow any money of its own. But the Welsh government decides how to spend the money allocated to it by the UK government in the areas it has responsibility for.
I believe Plaid's view is that the Barnett formula underfunds Wales in comparison to Scotland Northern Ireland. | |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 13:26 - Apr 26 with 5265 views | Dull1Thomas |
Spot on.
Part of the reason Wales gets a reduced figure is the Assembly / Senedd is because it can get money from EU grants ... which it appears to do quite successfully (there again so can any 'region' of the UK ,e.g. North East, Cornwall).
Comments from UKIP that Wales would get an increase to the fair funding recommended in the 'revised Barnet formula' would still be a disadvantage to Wales as it would not reflect any increase in funding allocated to English regions (I believe NI & Scotland would be the same as Wales).
Wales would also lose access to EU grants and it is doubtful that the economy would continue to perform well outside the EU (business really doesn't believe it is a good idea at all as the market is well regulated, easy to access, provides protection from wild fluctuations, defends workers and businesses from predatory practices used world wide but most of all the World spends vas amounts of money in the UK in order to gain access to the EU.
It is also worth looking back to the last time Wales was ruled completely by a right wing Westminster government.
Massively worse off than any country in the UK and on par with only the NE and tip of the SW of England. Farmers went out of business on a massive scale having believed Tatcher and taken out loans they couldn't repay when the economy and orders went down and bank rates shot up, the coal industry was decimate for political reason (and as a result the UK's electrify needs have to be met by more foreign fuel), steel went the same way and we were told there is no such thing as society when communities were dismissed like something you step in outside the Liberty when SWP have the GGs out.
Labour in Wales may not have the answers and some things may look on the surface to be not as good as in England but history shows we'd be a hell of a lot worse off with right wing politicians ruling from London.
Apologies for the rant - but I have to have a hobby! |  |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:01 - Apr 26 with 5231 views | libertine |
so then guys,
how is each council given its funding is it down to its population or its demographics/poverty-wealth ratio.
and what actually is this Barnett formula and why don't labour councillors want it raised?
what powers do wales have then/
lots of questions I know | | | |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:36 - Apr 26 with 5191 views | exiledclaseboy |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:01 - Apr 26 by libertine |
so then guys,
how is each council given its funding is it down to its population or its demographics/poverty-wealth ratio.
and what actually is this Barnett formula and why don't labour councillors want it raised?
what powers do wales have then/
lots of questions I know |
Welsh councils are funded by a mixture of Welsh government grants and Council Tax receipts. The amount of the grant depends on demographics, including population size.
I have no idea how the Barnett Formula works.
The Welsh government is responsible for the following:
Those subjects are:
Agriculture, fisheries, forestry and rural development
Ancient monuments and historic buildings
Culture
Economic development
Education and training
Environment
Fire and rescue services and promotion of fire safety
Food
Health and health services
Highways and transport
Housing
Local government
Public administration
Social welfare
Sport and recreation
Tourism
Town and country planning
Water and flood defence
Welsh language | |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:44 - Apr 26 with 5180 views | tomdickharry |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 13:00 - Apr 26 by yescomeon |
Home rule would make things easier |
Don't mention that to Plaid, that's a subject not spoken about. | | | |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:44 - Apr 26 with 5180 views | libertine |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:36 - Apr 26 by exiledclaseboy |
Welsh councils are funded by a mixture of Welsh government grants and Council Tax receipts. The amount of the grant depends on demographics, including population size.
I have no idea how the Barnett Formula works.
The Welsh government is responsible for the following:
Those subjects are:
Agriculture, fisheries, forestry and rural development
Ancient monuments and historic buildings
Culture
Economic development
Education and training
Environment
Fire and rescue services and promotion of fire safety
Food
Health and health services
Highways and transport
Housing
Local government
Public administration
Social welfare
Sport and recreation
Tourism
Town and country planning
Water and flood defence
Welsh language |
so clasey does that mean that we are allowed to support local welsh business? as our economic development is down to us?
I tried to read a summary of the Barnett and was lost after 3 lines | | | |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:48 - Apr 26 with 5169 views | yescomeon |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:44 - Apr 26 by tomdickharry |
Don't mention that to Plaid, that's a subject not spoken about. |
Thought plaid and lib dems were quite open about wanting home rule | |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:49 - Apr 26 with 5168 views | exiledclaseboy |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:44 - Apr 26 by libertine |
so clasey does that mean that we are allowed to support local welsh business? as our economic development is down to us?
I tried to read a summary of the Barnett and was lost after 3 lines |
What do you mean by "support local Welsh businesses"? | |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:50 - Apr 26 with 5162 views | exiledclaseboy |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:48 - Apr 26 by yescomeon |
Thought plaid and lib dems were quite open about wanting home rule |
He's getting home rule and independence confused. | |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 14:57 - Apr 26 with 5147 views | LeonisGod |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 12:59 - Apr 26 by libertine |
so clasey if we blame the welsh situation on the tories then its not altogether true as we have made our own decisions?
not a lot of people know this!
so the barnet formula would obviously give the welshgovernment more money as Leanne says.
Why would any welsh person not want this? |
I thought everyone knows the distinction between UK govt and the Assembly. In a nutshell If there's too little money is the Tory/Lib Dem fault, if it's not spent wisely is Labour's fault.
I can't understand why anyone in Wales wouldn't support a party like Plaid at the general election. Their policies are irrelevant as they will never be in a position to implement them in Westminster. But the more nationalists fighting for us the better. If people don't like their policies or don't think they'd be good enough in a lead role then just don't vote for them in the Assembly or council elections, which are the only levels where they could be in charge. |  | | |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 15:01 - Apr 26 with 5143 views | Brynmill_Jack |
I think it means this should be on the JNF board |  |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 18:42 - Apr 26 with 5046 views | londonlisa2001 |
Barnett is pretty easy.
It just allocates public expenditure between England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
It was brought in to recognise the additional administration and power brought in by gradual devolution (from 1979 onwards).
At the moment, the way it breaks down is that for every 97p spent in England per head, Wales gets £1.10 (with Scotland getting £1.15 and Northern Ireland £1.24). They are all per head figures, so those amounts get multiplied up by the population (so obviously England overall gets much more than the others, simply due to the population. But England get less per head).
It is unfair on Wales as it gets less per head than either Scotland or Northern Ireland, but is even more unfair on England.
It doesn't take any account of things like poverty or how much it costs to deliver services in rural areas rather than urban areas (the sorts of things people keep banging on about including the SNP who are disingenuous on the whole thing as it works massively in their favour).
Most of the things that are moaned about (health, education etc) are devolved completely to Wales, so are in control of the Labour administration (and previously the Labour / Plaid coalition). The Conservatives /Lib Dems only run the health service and education in England (people can make their own decisions about how it compares with Wales, and when people do, they should bear in mind that Wales gets more money per head than England due to Barnett).
What the UK government does decide that has such an impact is raising money (so tax etc) and overall spending levels (Wales can choose to some extent how it allocates its budget and can do so differently to England). It also decides things like welfare. | | | |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 20:57 - Apr 26 with 4976 views | Highjack |
The Welsh assembly are in charge of such vital life issues such as coracle licenses and carrier bag charges.
You currently pay them £54000 a year. It's going up £10000 (18% pay rise) next year.
All aboard the gravy train. Choo choo! |  |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 20:59 - Apr 26 with 4974 views | jacaranda |
Isn't devovle the opposite of evolve? | | | |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 20:59 - Apr 26 with 4974 views | exiledclaseboy |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 20:57 - Apr 26 by Highjack |
The Welsh assembly are in charge of such vital life issues such as coracle licenses and carrier bag charges.
You currently pay them £54000 a year. It's going up £10000 (18% pay rise) next year.
All aboard the gravy train. Choo choo! |
Ah your "coracle licences" joke. You haven't used it for a while. 
PS - "licence" is a noun, "license" is a verb. Just saying like. | |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 21:36 - Apr 26 with 4946 views | Highjack |
It's not a joke! I tuned into AM/PM once and they were genuinely debating it for around an hour.  | |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 21:39 - Apr 26 with 4939 views | Highjack |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 20:59 - Apr 26 by exiledclaseboy |
Ah your "coracle licences" joke. You haven't used it for a while.
PS - "licence" is a noun, "license" is a verb. Just saying like. |
Oh come on, it's very rare I make spelling erors Mr Pendantick. | |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 20:08 - Apr 27 with 4845 views | libertine |
people don't know what it means, most people think that we are being run by tories but we are not!
I'm talking about local business as I've got one, but due to council guidelines it means that if you had 2 businesses selling exactly the same thing the same price no difference at all, except one business was based in Swansea and one in Birmingham then you could not support the local Swansea one as the EU will not allow it.
Its a stupid law designed to stop protectionism but it does not work. | | | |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 22:16 - Apr 28 with 4770 views | ItchySphincter |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 20:08 - Apr 27 by libertine |
people don't know what it means, most people think that we are being run by tories but we are not!
I'm talking about local business as I've got one, but due to council guidelines it means that if you had 2 businesses selling exactly the same thing the same price no difference at all, except one business was based in Swansea and one in Birmingham then you could not support the local Swansea one as the EU will not allow it.
Its a stupid law designed to stop protectionism but it does not work. |
Devolution is Nationalism-lite. Complete and utter toss, especially when the English decide they want to be devolved and collect and spend their own taxes on themselves, then us and Scotland will be well and truly dicked. The flawed Barnett formula will become obsolete. |  |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 07:09 - Apr 29 with 4740 views | Kilkennyjack |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 22:16 - Apr 28 by ItchySphincter |
Devolution is Nationalism-lite. Complete and utter toss, especially when the English decide they want to be devolved and collect and spend their own taxes on themselves, then us and Scotland will be well and truly dicked. The flawed Barnett formula will become obsolete. |
The same processes that was voted for twice by the welsh people. Its a way of being grown up and making your own decisions. A good thing - unless you think welsh people are too dull to run their own affairs...? |  |
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| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 08:54 - Apr 29 with 4707 views | ItchySphincter |
| is wales run by labour or conservative and what does devolved mean on 07:09 - Apr 29 by Kilkennyjack |
The same processes that was voted for twice by the welsh people. Its a way of being grown up and making your own decisions. A good thing - unless you think welsh people are too dull to run their own affairs...? |
I never voted for the assembly and no, I wouldn't trust the Welsh politicians to govern us and run our affairs. | |
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