| James Maclean. again on 19:21 - Jul 20 with 2417 views | exiledclaseboy |
I love it when we get into NI on here. So much passion, so many apparent vested interests and probably not an Irishman or woman among us. MacLean's entitled to his view, whether some of us find it distasteful or not. It may make him a hypocrite, but he's far from alone in that.
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| James Maclean. again on 19:30 - Jul 20 with 2395 views | snork44 |
| James Maclean. again on 19:21 - Jul 20 by exiledclaseboy |
I love it when we get into NI on here. So much passion, so many apparent vested interests and probably not an Irishman or woman among us. MacLean's entitled to his view, whether some of us find it distasteful or not. It may make him a hypocrite, but he's far from alone in that.
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I agree with you, but let's be honest MacLean is just again acting like an attention seeking knob. If you live in a foreign country at least have the courtesy to respect the country you live in or the people you live with. I live in the United States and I respect the flag and the Anthem of this country. I may not sing the Anthem, but I do stand when it is played. |  |
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| James Maclean. again on 19:32 - Jul 20 with 2394 views | trampie |
| James Maclean. again on 19:16 - Jul 20 by Groo |
It was split because the majority of the Northern Irish in 1920 were unionists and would not support a united Ireland |
Which of course happens in trouble spots across the World, the age old question is, is that ok ?
Immigrants being in the majority in certain areas, often not in a country as a whole, it could happen in areas in England where Immigrants and descendants of Immigrants that might have a different religion, culture, language, way of life etc become the majority. |  |
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| James Maclean. again on 19:41 - Jul 20 with 2378 views | trampie |
| James Maclean. again on 19:30 - Jul 20 by snork44 |
I agree with you, but let's be honest MacLean is just again acting like an attention seeking knob. If you live in a foreign country at least have the courtesy to respect the country you live in or the people you live with. I live in the United States and I respect the flag and the Anthem of this country. I may not sing the Anthem, but I do stand when it is played. |
He was born and brought up in the UK (according to the powers that be) and lives in the UK.
As regards America it was British was it not (large parts of it anyway) and the subjects disrespected the old country and the crown, one consistent way of looking at it is MacLean and the American colonialists were very similar in some respects as regards their attitude to Britain. | |
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| James Maclean. again on 19:52 - Jul 20 with 2348 views | Groo |
| James Maclean. again on 19:32 - Jul 20 by trampie |
Which of course happens in trouble spots across the World, the age old question is, is that ok ?
Immigrants being in the majority in certain areas, often not in a country as a whole, it could happen in areas in England where Immigrants and descendants of Immigrants that might have a different religion, culture, language, way of life etc become the majority. |
Who knows what the future may bring.
The whole of the British Isles (and yes Ireland is part of that) has been subjugated at some point or the other, Ireland has suffered since Henry II, when Ireland was split into many small kingdoms and one king who was pushed out, fled to Britain, married off his daughter to a lord in Pembrokeshire and took aid from Henry II to get his lands back.
Or Henry VIII and Elizabeth, who had to fight rebellions there started by Catholic pretenders supported from Spain.
Williams of Orange and his wars in Ireland, he was actually fighting the deposed James II.
The Irish gentry pushed out in 1700's and 1800's to make way for English absentee landlords and the rise of Industry and Protestant landowners in the North.
It's all history and the people who live where they do have no power to make it as it was.
The fact was that in 1920 the Northern section was a Protestant area and the mainly agricultural South Catholic. They did not want to be part of the new Ireland, your answer would have been to force them, great. |  |
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| James Maclean. again on 20:03 - Jul 20 with 2317 views | londonlisa2001 |
He was born in the UK, brought up in the UK, of UK parents, hates the UK and what it stands for, disrespects the flag of the UK and has openly supported past terrorist attacks on the UK.
Good job he's not brown isn't it. |  | | |
| James Maclean. again on 20:07 - Jul 20 with 2311 views | exiledclaseboy |
| James Maclean. again on 20:03 - Jul 20 by londonlisa2001 |
He was born in the UK, brought up in the UK, of UK parents, hates the UK and what it stands for, disrespects the flag of the UK and has openly supported past terrorist attacks on the UK.
Good job he's not brown isn't it. |
Oof. Bloody good point. | |
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| James Maclean. again on 20:10 - Jul 20 with 2301 views | yescomeon |
| James Maclean. again on 19:52 - Jul 20 by Groo |
Who knows what the future may bring.
The whole of the British Isles (and yes Ireland is part of that) has been subjugated at some point or the other, Ireland has suffered since Henry II, when Ireland was split into many small kingdoms and one king who was pushed out, fled to Britain, married off his daughter to a lord in Pembrokeshire and took aid from Henry II to get his lands back.
Or Henry VIII and Elizabeth, who had to fight rebellions there started by Catholic pretenders supported from Spain.
Williams of Orange and his wars in Ireland, he was actually fighting the deposed James II.
The Irish gentry pushed out in 1700's and 1800's to make way for English absentee landlords and the rise of Industry and Protestant landowners in the North.
It's all history and the people who live where they do have no power to make it as it was.
The fact was that in 1920 the Northern section was a Protestant area and the mainly agricultural South Catholic. They did not want to be part of the new Ireland, your answer would have been to force them, great. |
I know the north wanted to remain under British rule but so did the majority in the south until the execution of those involved in the Easter uprising. I think things would have worked out better if Ireland was unified and I base that more or less on the thinking that it couldn't really have gone any worse and not much more. |  |
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| James Maclean. again on 20:14 - Jul 20 with 2290 views | londonlisa2001 |
| James Maclean. again on 20:07 - Jul 20 by exiledclaseboy |
Oof. Bloody good point. |
I'm looking forward to reading all the messages of support and understanding from the anti English nationalists on here the next time one of those pesky Moslems tries something on. | | | |
| James Maclean. again on 20:37 - Jul 20 with 2244 views | felixstowe_jack |
I wonder why England always get the blame for any trouble in NI. It was mass migration between Scotland and NI which led to a large protestant population in NI and likewise a large Catholic population in Glasgow, who still don't like each other. The Orange order and the Catholics just hate each other on Scotland and NI. | |
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| James Maclean. again on 20:55 - Jul 20 with 2209 views | Neath_Jack |
Bald men arguing over a couple of combs. |  |
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| James Maclean. again on 21:03 - Jul 20 with 2182 views | trampie |
More like two ugly women arguing over a loaf of bread in a supermarket because its just started to snow. [Post edited 20 Jul 2015 21:05]
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| James Maclean. again on 22:26 - Jul 20 with 2084 views | waynekerr55 |
| James Maclean. again on 20:03 - Jul 20 by londonlisa2001 |
He was born in the UK, brought up in the UK, of UK parents, hates the UK and what it stands for, disrespects the flag of the UK and has openly supported past terrorist attacks on the UK.
Good job he's not brown isn't it. |
Or living in the 1970s / 80s before 'brown' people were a threat to 'freedom' and 'democracy' 😨 |  |
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| James Maclean. again on 22:44 - Jul 20 with 2060 views | Kilkennyjack |
| James Maclean. again on 20:03 - Jul 20 by londonlisa2001 |
He was born in the UK, brought up in the UK, of UK parents, hates the UK and what it stands for, disrespects the flag of the UK and has openly supported past terrorist attacks on the UK.
Good job he's not brown isn't it. |
Well wiki says he was born in Derry in 1989. First played for sunderland in 2011.
His actions were should have followed our welsh players in Team GB where Bellers, joey, Taylor and captain Giggs all showed quiet respect - but did not sing it. That reflects the fact that its the anthem of the England national team of course.
By way - when the americans declared their freedom from the british crown the famous declaration of independence was signed by 56 people of which 16 were welsh - and the largest ethnic group.
Perch - i hope you get the help you need. |  |
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| James Maclean. again on 22:51 - Jul 20 with 2048 views | londonlisa2001 |
| James Maclean. again on 22:44 - Jul 20 by Kilkennyjack |
Well wiki says he was born in Derry in 1989. First played for sunderland in 2011.
His actions were should have followed our welsh players in Team GB where Bellers, joey, Taylor and captain Giggs all showed quiet respect - but did not sing it. That reflects the fact that its the anthem of the England national team of course.
By way - when the americans declared their freedom from the british crown the famous declaration of independence was signed by 56 people of which 16 were welsh - and the largest ethnic group.
Perch - i hope you get the help you need. |
Whether you like it or not, Derry or Londonderry according to preference is in the UK, therefore, my point stands.
I personally believe that people should show respect to any anthem - if he views it as 'foreign' then fine - don't sing it. I don't sing it. | | | |
| James Maclean. again on 23:19 - Jul 20 with 2012 views | Aquinas |
| James Maclean. again on 19:21 - Jul 20 by exiledclaseboy |
I love it when we get into NI on here. So much passion, so many apparent vested interests and probably not an Irishman or woman among us. MacLean's entitled to his view, whether some of us find it distasteful or not. It may make him a hypocrite, but he's far from alone in that.
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I have no problem with him turning away from the flag. But i'd probably get annoyed if Abu Hamza played for WBA and turned away from the flag because i'm a bit of a hypocrite. |  | | |
| James Maclean. again on 23:20 - Jul 20 with 2012 views | trampie |
GSTQ and the union jack does not represent lots of Welsh people, lots of Welsh will never sing GSTQ or wave the union jack. | |
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| James Maclean. again on 23:59 - Jul 20 with 1983 views | ScoobyWho |
| James Maclean. again on 09:24 - Jul 20 by Darran |
He's no more pathetic than most Nats,none of them mind milking off the country they hate. |
Thing is he is a sympathiser of the IRA - who killed over 100 Welshmen serving in the UK armed forces over some 35 years. If this situation continues to offer Mcalean challenging political thoughts he should maybe rethink where he earns his thousands of pounds every week.
I can see this causing him a load of serious grief this season if he continues to publicly do this. |  |
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| James Maclean. again on 00:03 - Jul 21 with 1973 views | trampie |
MacLean no doubt has always been paid in pounds sterling. | |
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| James Maclean. again on 00:07 - Jul 21 with 1968 views | ScoobyWho |
| James Maclean. again on 00:03 - Jul 21 by trampie |
MacLean no doubt has always been paid in pounds sterling. |
A very good point ( again ) But I do think this could all come back in a bad way sooner than some would think, it's all well and good doing it when he has millions in the bank and a modicum of safety in his current domain. However, there are far too many nutters out there for him to be in a position for this to not come back severely and bite him at some point.
To many it is very disrespectful. | |
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| James Maclean. again on 00:16 - Jul 21 with 1961 views | trampie |
He seems genuine in his beliefs whether people like us agree with him or not, he is for real in that respect and I doubt If he cares too much about consequences as he seems to be passionate. | |
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| James Maclean. again on 00:48 - Jul 21 with 1942 views | Banosswan |
| James Maclean. again on 19:21 - Jul 20 by exiledclaseboy |
I love it when we get into NI on here. So much passion, so many apparent vested interests and probably not an Irishman or woman among us. MacLean's entitled to his view, whether some of us find it distasteful or not. It may make him a hypocrite, but he's far from alone in that.
Isn't nationalism of all kinds ultimately ugly? |
Nationalism yes, National identity no. It's when these two get mixed up that we end up with problems. |  |
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| James Maclean. again on 10:29 - Jul 21 with 1857 views | Highjack |
just think of the billions of people over the last few millennia who have been killed, hurt or have suffered because of imaginary lines on a map? Yet we still have idiots in the 21st century who think it's the be all and end all of everything. |  |
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| James Maclean. again on 14:06 - Jul 21 with 1801 views | snork44 |
| James Maclean. again on 10:29 - Jul 21 by Highjack |
just think of the billions of people over the last few millennia who have been killed, hurt or have suffered because of imaginary lines on a map? Yet we still have idiots in the 21st century who think it's the be all and end all of everything. |
All MacLean needed to do was face the flag and not sing or bow his head,if the other foreign players who represent West Bromwich Albion can do that, I am sure this jumped up jerk can do the same! But what the attention seeking prick did was to turn away and show himself up to be the absolute tosser which he is! He like Joey Barton thinks he is more intelligent than he really is. This is not about nationalism or his feelings about the troubles, he has his view and he is entitled to it. This is about respect for the country you live in and for the fans that pay to watch you play. [Post edited 22 Jul 2015 4:26]
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| James Maclean. again on 14:23 - Jul 21 with 1796 views | Groo |
I read that although he is Northern Irish, he recieved permission to play for the Republic of Ireland.
Under what reason, I couldn't see a reference to either parent or grandparent being referenced as being from the Republic of Ireland | |
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