| Jeremy Corbyn 12:42 - Jul 24 with 105806 views | CountyJim |
I'm going to vote for him was going to go with Burnham but the amount of crap he's put up with and with dignity
He's a man of principal don't share his views on the monarch but we all have different points of view
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:00 - Jul 28 with 2000 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 08:54 - Jul 28 by WarwickHunt |
Are 50% of kids bright enough for a traditional university education?
No - however, inflated A level results, dumb "degrees", upgraded courses and lowering standards are doing their best to accommodate this fanciful " inclusive" bollox.
Anyone fancy a degree in surfing at the "University" of Plymouth?
F*ck. My. Eyes. |
Beat me to it. What's wrong with higher apprenticeships? Nothing but there aren't enough kids with skills to help our high end engineering firms. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:04 - Jul 28 with 1997 views | WarwickHunt |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:00 - Jul 28 by waynekerr55 |
Beat me to it. What's wrong with higher apprenticeships? Nothing but there aren't enough kids with skills to help our high end engineering firms. |
Look on the bright side - there's loads of semi-literate f*ckwits with Media Studies degrees working in coffee shops. |  | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:09 - Jul 28 with 1989 views | Cottsy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 16:55 - Jul 27 by londonlisa2001 |
There are almost twice as many people in this country who own their own homes compared with those that rent.
This is the problem. All of the fairytale economics are based on an absolute absence of fact. To listen to people like Corbyn, the vast majority of the population are in low paid work or are out of work, struggling to pay the rent to a git of a private landlord, or are in social housing. It's just not true. The majority are (as has been described on here) the squeezed middle - people that earn too much for benefits / housing allowances etc, who own their own houses and are constantly being told that they are 'rich' and should 'pay their fair share'.
That is why Corbyn won't stand a chance if he gets in by the way. |
There are almost twice as many people in this country who own their own homes compared with those that rent... at the moment.
Long term is that going to be the case?
More and more young people are being priced out of home ownership, even at a time when borrowing costs have been consistently low, due to a combination of over inflated house prices, low and stagnant wages, living in accommodation with extortionate rents making saving for a deposit impossible and a lack of available housing stock among a myriad of other factors.
A majority of young people now see home ownership as unattainable and the number of people living at home is growing and the ages of people living at home are getting higher.
Far from fairytale economics there is a housing problem in this country and Jeremy Corbyn is the only person at the moment putting forward long term policies to address it.
And its not fairytale economics to suggest that large numbers of the working population are in low paid work because its true. The majority of the working population earn less than the UK average, the majority are earning less than £20000 a year and most new jobs coming on the market are around £10000 a year less than the UK annual salary.
Yes the middle is being squeezed but they are being squeezed by the austerity economics of this government. Its this government that is putting the pressure on those in the middle by suppressing wages and stifling growth.
Jeremy Corbyn isn't calling for those in the 'middle' to carry more of the burden but for the massive corporations that evade paying billions of pounds in the tax, the extremely wealthy who evade paying tax every year and increasing the tax rate for those earning over £150000 back to 50p. And lets be fair if you are earning £150k a year any attempts to label yourself as either in the middle or squeezed are insulting. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:16 - Jul 28 with 1979 views | perchrockjack |
Warwick makes a very good point re courses at Uni.
My daughter was considered very bright and for the last two years of schooling was harangued almost every term to go to University - like her brother did.
However ,she didn't fancy it preferring to go out there into the maelstrom and get stuck into work from an early age.
She s 29 ,has her own business ,has savings and no debt .
Financially able to have kids but chooses not to until her and partner both think they can manage with one wage and bring the kid up in a comfortable home.
Makes me proud anyway.
Fees?,nah KEEP THEM and discourage kids from taking these meaningless courses of banality that are totally unfit for the work place. University is ,lets face it, for the first two years, a massive pissup |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:24 - Jul 28 with 1970 views | yescomeon |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 23:07 - Jul 27 by londonlisa2001 |
Only if we also scrap the arbitrary notion that 50% of the population should go to university. Are there 50% of all jobs that require a university education? |
University has become a big money making industry now. In the 3 cities I studied, Swansea, Bangor and Lancaster the cities would be in real trouble as it's the only thing pumping money into the local economy. Less UK students means more Chinese students to make up for the money lost. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:29 - Jul 28 with 1968 views | yescomeon |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 08:54 - Jul 28 by WarwickHunt |
Are 50% of kids bright enough for a traditional university education?
No - however, inflated A level results, dumb "degrees", upgraded courses and lowering standards are doing their best to accommodate this fanciful " inclusive" bollox.
Anyone fancy a degree in surfing at the "University" of Plymouth?
F*ck. My. Eyes. |
Plymouth is an extremely good University in my field, and no my field is not surfing. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:48 - Jul 28 with 1956 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:16 - Jul 28 by perchrockjack |
Warwick makes a very good point re courses at Uni.
My daughter was considered very bright and for the last two years of schooling was harangued almost every term to go to University - like her brother did.
However ,she didn't fancy it preferring to go out there into the maelstrom and get stuck into work from an early age.
She s 29 ,has her own business ,has savings and no debt .
Financially able to have kids but chooses not to until her and partner both think they can manage with one wage and bring the kid up in a comfortable home.
Makes me proud anyway.
Fees?,nah KEEP THEM and discourage kids from taking these meaningless courses of banality that are totally unfit for the work place. University is ,lets face it, for the first two years, a massive pissup |
Spoken like a true Tory perchy .
Let's keep the fee's
Fack em all |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:52 - Jul 28 with 1948 views | perchrockjack |
Is that necessarily a bad thing tommy. If so, why?
Should I change my will
Should I be a Labour man | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:11 - Jul 28 with 1942 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:04 - Jul 28 by WarwickHunt |
Look on the bright side - there's loads of semi-literate f*ckwits with Media Studies degrees working in coffee shops. |
But can they do a mean Americano?
Seriously though the qualification reforms are going to radically reform post 16 education. Very few colleges will deliver A levels and it looks like the employers are going to have a bigger say in qualifications. Add to that the potential that the lowest 50% of universities are likely to not be eligible for student loans and it could be the end of the pointless qualification gravy train | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:18 - Jul 28 with 1937 views | Cottsy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:52 - Jul 28 by perchrockjack |
Is that necessarily a bad thing tommy. If so, why?
Should I change my will
Should I be a Labour man |
Its a bad thing because it makes university unattainable for those from low wage families.
I think that the 50% of people going to university is nonsense, by the way, and there should be more accessible routes in to industries such as engineering through good quality apprenticeships but with massive cuts in the FE sector where are the skills to support apprenticeships going to come from? | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:23 - Jul 28 with 1929 views | perchrockjack |
No Cottsy, I was of course referring to tommy s post vis a vis "good tory".
FOOK ME, how many times . Nobody, no political party owns my soul. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:26 - Jul 28 with 1919 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:23 - Jul 28 by perchrockjack |
No Cottsy, I was of course referring to tommy s post vis a vis "good tory".
FOOK ME, how many times . Nobody, no political party owns my soul. |
Indeed I know your a free spirit Perch , much like myself . | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:40 - Jul 28 with 1917 views | irememberivor |
As a good old fashioned socialist I have been totally disenfranchised since Blair became leader of the Labour Party and turned it into Conservative Lite.
I feel that I would rather side with Corbyn and risk the political wildernesss than have a real stab at power with Burnham, Cooper and Kendall, because with any of those candidates, should Labour achieve power, it will be just more of the same.
The argument should not be "power at all costs" for the Labour Party, because any principled party has a set of standards and ethics which shouldn`t be for sale. It is up to any political party, surely, to try to convince the electorate to their cause, rather than a "what do you want? We`ll give it to you" policy.
I firmly believe that Corbyn is the best bet for Labour in the long term. I doubt whether the party will be elected in the next election, but if Corbyn can sell the country his principled views, then who knows.
I was around in the early eighties, when the Labour Party under Michael Foot last went to the left. That was a disaster, no doubt. But I think it`s different now. I believe that there is a genuine feeling in the country against power-hungry career politicians (why else would Nigel Farage have seemed so attractive to so many?).
Corbyn is clearly a person of principle, and there`s not many politicians that you can say that about. | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:49 - Jul 28 with 1910 views | perchrockjack |
Its possible that Corbyn is as you describe and its his principles that bother me as they ve been voted against for a long time. He s an anacronsim and appeals, no doubt, to people brought up LABOUR in the industrial heartlands.
If he were a Liverpool MP, TRUST ME, he d be immortalised.
Frankly, he scares the crap out of me and one of the few to make me consider leaving this island to live.
I remember Lord Stansgate s priniciples too and they were equally divisive. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:58 - Jul 28 with 1907 views | irememberivor |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:49 - Jul 28 by perchrockjack |
Its possible that Corbyn is as you describe and its his principles that bother me as they ve been voted against for a long time. He s an anacronsim and appeals, no doubt, to people brought up LABOUR in the industrial heartlands.
If he were a Liverpool MP, TRUST ME, he d be immortalised.
Frankly, he scares the crap out of me and one of the few to make me consider leaving this island to live.
I remember Lord Stansgate s priniciples too and they were equally divisive. |
Corbyn`s obviously got a job on his hands convincing you then, perchrockjack. | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 11:10 - Jul 28 with 1917 views | perchrockjack |
An impossible job ,mate.
I would love to meet him though on a one to one.
In his favour, I would much prefer to meet him than Millband,Blair,Harmon,Balls,Cooper and the rest of the careerist polytechnic socialists who kid us all- or try to.
Its just different ideologies, which can be dangerous if exercised in many countries still | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 11:30 - Jul 28 with 1910 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 10:18 - Jul 28 by Cottsy |
Its a bad thing because it makes university unattainable for those from low wage families.
I think that the 50% of people going to university is nonsense, by the way, and there should be more accessible routes in to industries such as engineering through good quality apprenticeships but with massive cuts in the FE sector where are the skills to support apprenticeships going to come from? |
I'm for less places and more quality.
I am concerned about the loss of maintenance grants. Maybe these can return in a slimmed down world of courses in HE | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 12:57 - Jul 28 with 1862 views | jackonicko |
"Jeremy Corbyn isn't calling for those in the 'middle' to carry more of the burden but for the massive corporations that evade paying billions of pounds in the tax, the extremely wealthy who evade paying tax every year and increasing the tax rate for those earning over £150000 back to 50p. And lets be fair if you are earning £150k a year any attempts to label yourself as either in the middle or squeezed are insulting. "
I agree with all your comments on the housing crisis in this country. An issue that Governments have ignored for a generation now, Labour and Tory.
But your last paragraph ignores basic economic reality that says if you put the marginal percentage rate too high, you actually lower the overall tax rate. All the available data globally suggests 40-45p / £ maximises the overall revenue generated.
Recent history in the UK also shows this. Since the top rate was reduced to 45p, tax receipts have actually increased in the UK, both in absolute terms and in proportion to overall tax take. |  | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 13:06 - Jul 28 with 1850 views | WarwickHunt |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 12:57 - Jul 28 by jackonicko |
"Jeremy Corbyn isn't calling for those in the 'middle' to carry more of the burden but for the massive corporations that evade paying billions of pounds in the tax, the extremely wealthy who evade paying tax every year and increasing the tax rate for those earning over £150000 back to 50p. And lets be fair if you are earning £150k a year any attempts to label yourself as either in the middle or squeezed are insulting. "
I agree with all your comments on the housing crisis in this country. An issue that Governments have ignored for a generation now, Labour and Tory.
But your last paragraph ignores basic economic reality that says if you put the marginal percentage rate too high, you actually lower the overall tax rate. All the available data globally suggests 40-45p / £ maximises the overall revenue generated.
Recent history in the UK also shows this. Since the top rate was reduced to 45p, tax receipts have actually increased in the UK, both in absolute terms and in proportion to overall tax take. |
Makes for a shit slogan though... | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 13:29 - Jul 28 with 1827 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 13:06 - Jul 28 by WarwickHunt |
Makes for a shit slogan though... |
What do we want?
A sensibly applied marginal tax rate that maximises revenue for HM Treasury while ensuring those who can afford to pay a bit more do so.
When do we want it?
Whenever you can find the necessary parliamentary time to amend the required legislation.
As slogans go, it's a winner I reckon. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 13:38 - Jul 28 with 1818 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 08:29 - Jul 28 by dailew |
All benefits have some reasoning behind them.
"The majority are (as has been described on here) the squeezed middle - people that earn too much for benefits / housing allowances etc, who own their own houses " is wrong. Hopelessly wrong.
Make up 30% at max (and some of these will rent).
Yet you have the cheek to accuse me of "distorting the facts". |
So by your reckoning, 10% are at the top, 30% are actually the middle (some of whom rent) and the remaining 60% are all the impoverished benefit reliant renters that were being referred to...
About 65% of houses are owner occupied by the way so God knows who is living in them. Maybe those pensioners who are all receiving benefits (every single one of them), so perhaps we should take them straight back out of the impoverished renters category, or doesn't that fit the story? | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 13:45 - Jul 28 with 1804 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:09 - Jul 28 by Cottsy |
There are almost twice as many people in this country who own their own homes compared with those that rent... at the moment.
Long term is that going to be the case?
More and more young people are being priced out of home ownership, even at a time when borrowing costs have been consistently low, due to a combination of over inflated house prices, low and stagnant wages, living in accommodation with extortionate rents making saving for a deposit impossible and a lack of available housing stock among a myriad of other factors.
A majority of young people now see home ownership as unattainable and the number of people living at home is growing and the ages of people living at home are getting higher.
Far from fairytale economics there is a housing problem in this country and Jeremy Corbyn is the only person at the moment putting forward long term policies to address it.
And its not fairytale economics to suggest that large numbers of the working population are in low paid work because its true. The majority of the working population earn less than the UK average, the majority are earning less than £20000 a year and most new jobs coming on the market are around £10000 a year less than the UK annual salary.
Yes the middle is being squeezed but they are being squeezed by the austerity economics of this government. Its this government that is putting the pressure on those in the middle by suppressing wages and stifling growth.
Jeremy Corbyn isn't calling for those in the 'middle' to carry more of the burden but for the massive corporations that evade paying billions of pounds in the tax, the extremely wealthy who evade paying tax every year and increasing the tax rate for those earning over £150000 back to 50p. And lets be fair if you are earning £150k a year any attempts to label yourself as either in the middle or squeezed are insulting. |
I completely agree with you about the problems caused by lack of housing.
I also agree that a large number are in low paid work. But that was not my point.
Re the numbers you quote - well it depends on what you mean by average of course. The indicator that matters (because it's not distorted by a tiny number who earn millions) is the median salary. That stands at about £22k last time I saw it published. That means that half of those earning earn more and half less. That, by definition, means that it cannot possibly be true to say that the majority of the UK population earn less than £20k per year since half of the population earn over £22k per year. People either side of that are what I refer to as the 'middle'.
In London by the way, that figure is about £35k, so people on £40k are on an average wage for the population. And yet those are being regarded as 'rich' (it was the cut off used for mansion tax for example).
On the point about the top rate - well increasing the rate to 50% has been shown to reduce the tax take so why do it other than punishment? That's just stupid politics. | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 13:48 - Jul 28 with 1799 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 09:24 - Jul 28 by yescomeon |
University has become a big money making industry now. In the 3 cities I studied, Swansea, Bangor and Lancaster the cities would be in real trouble as it's the only thing pumping money into the local economy. Less UK students means more Chinese students to make up for the money lost. |
You only have to look at Swansea Bay and also the plans for SA1 to know how much money is sloshing around universities. | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 14:06 - Jul 28 with 1773 views | WarwickHunt |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 13:29 - Jul 28 by exiledclaseboy |
What do we want?
A sensibly applied marginal tax rate that maximises revenue for HM Treasury while ensuring those who can afford to pay a bit more do so.
When do we want it?
Whenever you can find the necessary parliamentary time to amend the required legislation.
As slogans go, it's a winner I reckon. |
Only if it's written in stone... | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 15:02 - Jul 28 with 1733 views | trampie |
Corbyn cannot be a real socialist otherwise he would not be in the modern Labour party which is a Tory party, therefore Corbyn must be considered a fraud just like the rest of Labour, they are traitors to the working class and the poor, looking at the big picture it will be a bad result for the left UK wide if Corbyn gets elected. |  |
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