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Jeremy Corbyn 12:42 - Jul 24 with 104784 viewsCountyJim

I'm going to vote for him was going to go with Burnham but the amount of crap he's put up with and with dignity

He's a man of principal don't share his views on the monarch but we all have different points of view
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Jeremy Corbyn on 12:55 - Aug 11 with 2142 viewsGehbeHindert_Bosman

Jeremy Corbyn on 13:18 - Aug 9 by acejack3065

I'll vote for anyone who promises to sort out the railways. Privatisation has been one long p*ss take.


This.

Nobosy wants to see us knocking out Trabants and Ladas and but feck me the day that the rail network is put back in public hands I will spunk on my season ticket and post it to John Major. It's been an unmitigated disaster from start to finish. Have you seen the fare tables for the last 25 years against the rate of inflation? Dick Turpin couldn't have done a better job of robbing folk. Also, while we are at it get a load of that freight off the roads back on the rails. A few objectors to the extra night-time noise? feck 'em. They'll get used to it. The sheer volume of clowns, especially EU types, watching DVDs and driving monstertrucks up and down our crowded motorways keeps me awake at night as well.
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Jeremy Corbyn on 15:49 - Aug 11 with 2088 viewswaynekerr55

Jeremy Corbyn on 12:55 - Aug 11 by GehbeHindert_Bosman

This.

Nobosy wants to see us knocking out Trabants and Ladas and but feck me the day that the rail network is put back in public hands I will spunk on my season ticket and post it to John Major. It's been an unmitigated disaster from start to finish. Have you seen the fare tables for the last 25 years against the rate of inflation? Dick Turpin couldn't have done a better job of robbing folk. Also, while we are at it get a load of that freight off the roads back on the rails. A few objectors to the extra night-time noise? feck 'em. They'll get used to it. The sheer volume of clowns, especially EU types, watching DVDs and driving monstertrucks up and down our crowded motorways keeps me awake at night as well.


Whilst I'm not doubting that far far too much of the train fares have gone in bonuses and dividends, didn't the railways suffer decades of neglect under public ownership?

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Jeremy Corbyn on 15:51 - Aug 11 with 2087 viewswaynekerr55

Jeremy Corbyn on 12:14 - Aug 11 by epaul

Wow, he's scum for wanting to see a fairer society, which means help for the poor and vunerable, yet the Tories are blatantly targeting these people, wow


They do say opposites attract and I love how you n Perchy are great mates despite being poles apart in your political beliefs!

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Jeremy Corbyn on 17:34 - Aug 11 with 2044 viewsCottsy

Jeremy Corbyn on 15:49 - Aug 11 by waynekerr55

Whilst I'm not doubting that far far too much of the train fares have gone in bonuses and dividends, didn't the railways suffer decades of neglect under public ownership?


The problem with the debate around nationalising the railways is that people, like our comrade on the Wirral, always bring up the bad old days of British Rail as if that is the only way that a publicly owned railway can be operated.

They always conveniently ignore that the East Coast line was taken back into public ownership in 2009 and had higher customer satisfaction rates than any other provider, took less subsidies than any of the private companies and returned more money to the treasury while also investing in the infrastructure of the line.

This government made it a priority to put this profitable, national asset back into private ownership because in their wisdom they believe it is better for Richard Branson to get even richer at the tax payers expense because of choice or competition or something.

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Jeremy Corbyn on 18:31 - Aug 11 with 2021 viewsGehbeHindert_Bosman

You'd have thought that with Jimmy Saville proclaiming that "This is The Age of the Train" that as Britain's Chief Officer of Paedophile Procurement to the political establishment and senior public figures that he, of all people, would have been able to get some investment.

Case studies show that the railways coukd run at a profit. The trouble is Labour are obsessed with nationalisation and Tories with privitisation. The result is inevitable. A feckin mess that nobody ever sorts out. The rail.privitisation is particularly galling as with many things GB has given the World we can't organise a w@nk in a brothel with our own inventions. In the 90s it was a trophy privitisation of a gvt in decline keen to reverse the 1948 Act. Upgrades to Diesel and Electrification had put a strain on fhe coffers for sure but any sane and rational gvt post Glasnost would have diverted the billions from scaling down our nuclear deterrent into something we could be proud of as a nation but no...

Much better to subsidise a bunch of privateer cants to really feck it all up and dissappear over the horizon with OUR cash. We still have a broken flush of a railway network at roughly 3 times the relative cost to the punter. B
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Jeremy Corbyn on 19:32 - Aug 11 with 1986 viewsperchrockjack

Paul is a good man. We be had fall outs but he s sincere so I respect that even though his views are anathema to me.

Too many tattoos and too thin but a decent guy.

Terrible shag though and poor singer

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Jeremy Corbyn on 19:37 - Aug 11 with 1983 viewsexiledclaseboy

Jeremy Corbyn on 09:58 - Aug 11 by perchrockjack

Ran well? Didnt say they were.

Me? Not aimed at you.

Essentially ? Now that s rather hard to define.

Rates were becoming exorbitant.

Anyway..

Jeez bandwagon rolls along and will be huge in Wales and the North, very attractive to many


You didn't say they were ran (sic) well? No. But you did say that utilities would cost more if they were now in public ownership. Guesswork at best.

Not aimed at me? Fine. Buy you said that public ownership is a "mantra for MANY on here" (my emphasis). Just responding to your point.

Essentially is easy to define in that context. It's used to emphasise the basic, intrinsic nature of something or someone. So I'm saying that council tax is basically the same as rates, a tax charged according to a national and fairly arbitrary property valuation.
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Jeremy Corbyn on 20:47 - Aug 11 with 1940 viewsPrivate_Partz

Jeremy Corbyn on 17:34 - Aug 11 by Cottsy

The problem with the debate around nationalising the railways is that people, like our comrade on the Wirral, always bring up the bad old days of British Rail as if that is the only way that a publicly owned railway can be operated.

They always conveniently ignore that the East Coast line was taken back into public ownership in 2009 and had higher customer satisfaction rates than any other provider, took less subsidies than any of the private companies and returned more money to the treasury while also investing in the infrastructure of the line.

This government made it a priority to put this profitable, national asset back into private ownership because in their wisdom they believe it is better for Richard Branson to get even richer at the tax payers expense because of choice or competition or something.


For Public Sector ownership to succeed there has to be the will to do it in the first place. It was not the case with British Rail. Hammered by Beecham when car was king it was left to rot. Look at the other side of the coin. DB in Germany . An example to all railways worldwide but even they can't make a success of Arriva under our system. Like all organisations it needs investment and it is very likely to work under public ownership without the need for the duplicity of competing organisations and the need to pay a divi to shareholders. Same applies to all essential transport and utilities. Without competition the national utilities must benchmark their performances, learn from, and set an example where applicable, to all such organisations world wide. It can work and when it does it benefits all. Not just the privileged few.
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Jeremy Corbyn on 21:22 - Aug 11 with 1910 viewsLohengrin

Jeremy Corbyn on 20:47 - Aug 11 by Private_Partz

For Public Sector ownership to succeed there has to be the will to do it in the first place. It was not the case with British Rail. Hammered by Beecham when car was king it was left to rot. Look at the other side of the coin. DB in Germany . An example to all railways worldwide but even they can't make a success of Arriva under our system. Like all organisations it needs investment and it is very likely to work under public ownership without the need for the duplicity of competing organisations and the need to pay a divi to shareholders. Same applies to all essential transport and utilities. Without competition the national utilities must benchmark their performances, learn from, and set an example where applicable, to all such organisations world wide. It can work and when it does it benefits all. Not just the privileged few.
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Don't you mean Richard Beeching?

Something of a multi-tasker he may well have been but I doubt the chemist Beecham had much to do with rolling stock.

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Jeremy Corbyn on 21:54 - Aug 11 with 1891 viewsperchrockjack

Not just railways though.
Seriously, state control..in 2015.its something countries are turning away from.
Russia had it, so did China and both economic powerhouses dumped it.

It's an outdated concept.

Jeez will rekindle the spirit of rebellion in labour voters and drag the poor vulnerable and feckless out if the pub/betting shop/McDonald's to vote which is why I've changed my mind.
This kunt is dangerous

People have short memories and seem to be prone to the sepia coloured days of labour s good years.

If you want to make money, be self reliant and self sufficient, beware.

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Jeremy Corbyn on 22:24 - Aug 11 with 1866 viewsCottsy

Jeremy Corbyn on 21:54 - Aug 11 by perchrockjack

Not just railways though.
Seriously, state control..in 2015.its something countries are turning away from.
Russia had it, so did China and both economic powerhouses dumped it.

It's an outdated concept.

Jeez will rekindle the spirit of rebellion in labour voters and drag the poor vulnerable and feckless out if the pub/betting shop/McDonald's to vote which is why I've changed my mind.
This kunt is dangerous

People have short memories and seem to be prone to the sepia coloured days of labour s good years.

If you want to make money, be self reliant and self sufficient, beware.


The French and German state owned rail companies seem to be doing okay, the German state owned company is even being subsidised by British taxpayers while Welsh rail users fares also go to support publicly owned railways in Germany.

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Jeremy Corbyn on 22:29 - Aug 11 with 1862 viewsperchrockjack

What is successful in other countries might not work here.

With us exiting nato, binning trident, have to say I'm glad I'm not young.

All corbyns policies have been seen as disasters in many countries.


Finally, it's one thing to spout stuff that old time lefties love but quite another to implement.

Anyway, we disagree,

Off to Swansea tomorrow so need a good night sleep as it's always tough time for me.

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Jeremy Corbyn on 22:42 - Aug 11 with 1851 viewsCottsy

Jeremy Corbyn on 22:29 - Aug 11 by perchrockjack

What is successful in other countries might not work here.

With us exiting nato, binning trident, have to say I'm glad I'm not young.

All corbyns policies have been seen as disasters in many countries.


Finally, it's one thing to spout stuff that old time lefties love but quite another to implement.

Anyway, we disagree,

Off to Swansea tomorrow so need a good night sleep as it's always tough time for me.


But it does work in this country as the East Coast line proved, a profitable, award winning service with high customer satisfaction worked successfully for 5 years until it was sold off to make a small number of people very rich at our expense.

Also, isn't what's happening and working well in a Western European country a better indicator of what could and can work in this country rather than using Russia or China as an example?
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Jeremy Corbyn on 02:56 - Aug 12 with 1771 viewsPrivate_Partz

Jeremy Corbyn on 21:22 - Aug 11 by Lohengrin

Don't you mean Richard Beeching?

Something of a multi-tasker he may well have been but I doubt the chemist Beecham had much to do with rolling stock.


Thanks for correcting me . Was a bit pished when I did that one. The name got lost in the sands of time. Bet you disagree with me though on the sediment, I mean sentiment. ;-)
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Jeremy Corbyn on 09:44 - Aug 12 with 1721 viewstrampie

Corbyn has been reported as saying he would be happy to work with Plaid.

Corbyn is clearly in the wrong party.

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Jeremy Corbyn on 09:50 - Aug 12 with 1770 viewsPrivate_Partz

Jeremy Corbyn on 09:44 - Aug 12 by trampie

Corbyn has been reported as saying he would be happy to work with Plaid.

Corbyn is clearly in the wrong party.


:-) Nothing wrong with working with people who share your ideals. I suspect he has the same view on the Scottish Nationalists although I won't put a fiver on it as I don't know. This was a problem for the Liberal party as they shared a platform with a party that did not share their objectives. The carnage as a result is there for all to see.

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Jeremy Corbyn on 10:02 - Aug 12 with 1760 viewstrampie

Jeremy Corbyn on 09:50 - Aug 12 by Private_Partz

:-) Nothing wrong with working with people who share your ideals. I suspect he has the same view on the Scottish Nationalists although I won't put a fiver on it as I don't know. This was a problem for the Liberal party as they shared a platform with a party that did not share their objectives. The carnage as a result is there for all to see.


The laugh is Private Partz that Corbyns views on lots of topics are Plaids views and not the Labour parties views.

The Labour parties views on lots of topics are Tory views therefore it seems a fair observation to say Corbyn is in the wrong party.

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Jeremy Corbyn on 10:52 - Aug 12 with 1728 viewsacejack3065

Jeremy Corbyn on 10:02 - Aug 12 by trampie

The laugh is Private Partz that Corbyns views on lots of topics are Plaids views and not the Labour parties views.

The Labour parties views on lots of topics are Tory views therefore it seems a fair observation to say Corbyn is in the wrong party.


Say it enough times and maybe people will believe you or probably not because uh I don't know, you're talking sh*t.
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Jeremy Corbyn on 11:18 - Aug 12 with 1710 viewsCottsy

Jeremy Corbyn on 10:02 - Aug 12 by trampie

The laugh is Private Partz that Corbyns views on lots of topics are Plaids views and not the Labour parties views.

The Labour parties views on lots of topics are Tory views therefore it seems a fair observation to say Corbyn is in the wrong party.


Explain this to me please because I'm obviously a bit dense.

So the views of Jeremy Corbyn, a life long member of the Labour Party and Labour MP for over 30 years, are not those of the Labour Party but of Plaid?

Jeremy Corbyn, who is currently on course to win the Labour Party leadership as the first choice of more than 50% of the party's members, has seen party members turn up in their thousands wherever he has gone in the country, has raised over £120k from small donations averaging £20 from party members in a matter of days and has been endorsed by the 2 largest unions in the country is in the wrong party because the Labour Party's views are Tory views?

That has me stumped.

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Jeremy Corbyn on 13:08 - Aug 12 with 1662 viewswaynekerr55

Jeremy Corbyn on 11:18 - Aug 12 by Cottsy

Explain this to me please because I'm obviously a bit dense.

So the views of Jeremy Corbyn, a life long member of the Labour Party and Labour MP for over 30 years, are not those of the Labour Party but of Plaid?

Jeremy Corbyn, who is currently on course to win the Labour Party leadership as the first choice of more than 50% of the party's members, has seen party members turn up in their thousands wherever he has gone in the country, has raised over £120k from small donations averaging £20 from party members in a matter of days and has been endorsed by the 2 largest unions in the country is in the wrong party because the Labour Party's views are Tory views?

That has me stumped.


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Jeremy Corbyn on 13:53 - Aug 12 with 1625 viewsLohengrin

Jeremy Corbyn on 11:18 - Aug 12 by Cottsy

Explain this to me please because I'm obviously a bit dense.

So the views of Jeremy Corbyn, a life long member of the Labour Party and Labour MP for over 30 years, are not those of the Labour Party but of Plaid?

Jeremy Corbyn, who is currently on course to win the Labour Party leadership as the first choice of more than 50% of the party's members, has seen party members turn up in their thousands wherever he has gone in the country, has raised over £120k from small donations averaging £20 from party members in a matter of days and has been endorsed by the 2 largest unions in the country is in the wrong party because the Labour Party's views are Tory views?

That has me stumped.


Meanwhile the reality of Plaid's development centered around the intellectual ternary of blood, soil and Christ. Trampie's problem is he's taken up a ball and run; the wrong ball.
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Jeremy Corbyn on 14:09 - Aug 12 with 1611 viewstrampie

Jeremy Corbyn on 11:18 - Aug 12 by Cottsy

Explain this to me please because I'm obviously a bit dense.

So the views of Jeremy Corbyn, a life long member of the Labour Party and Labour MP for over 30 years, are not those of the Labour Party but of Plaid?

Jeremy Corbyn, who is currently on course to win the Labour Party leadership as the first choice of more than 50% of the party's members, has seen party members turn up in their thousands wherever he has gone in the country, has raised over £120k from small donations averaging £20 from party members in a matter of days and has been endorsed by the 2 largest unions in the country is in the wrong party because the Labour Party's views are Tory views?

That has me stumped.


What Ireland, Palestine, Amnesty, CND, Republican, Socialist, Morning Star ?, compare Corbyns affiliations and sympathies to leading Plaid politicians [including Plaid's leader] and tell me if there is much if any difference between them ?

Labour are Red Tories a neoliberal party that supports imperialist nations, supports the bomb, supports the monarchy and supports the right wing press.

Corbyn first became an mp in 83' Foot and his socialist manifesto, Labour became a Tory party shortly afterwards Corbyn stayed and he was by definition campaigning for the Red Tories against the likes of Plaid, so can he be trusted by the left ? and why has he been part of what many recognise as a Tory party for the last 30 years ?
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Jeremy Corbyn on 16:27 - Aug 12 with 1557 viewsCottsy

Jeremy Corbyn on 14:09 - Aug 12 by trampie

What Ireland, Palestine, Amnesty, CND, Republican, Socialist, Morning Star ?, compare Corbyns affiliations and sympathies to leading Plaid politicians [including Plaid's leader] and tell me if there is much if any difference between them ?

Labour are Red Tories a neoliberal party that supports imperialist nations, supports the bomb, supports the monarchy and supports the right wing press.

Corbyn first became an mp in 83' Foot and his socialist manifesto, Labour became a Tory party shortly afterwards Corbyn stayed and he was by definition campaigning for the Red Tories against the likes of Plaid, so can he be trusted by the left ? and why has he been part of what many recognise as a Tory party for the last 30 years ?
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I'll work through that list backwards.

Firstly, are you seriously trying to suggest that the Morning Star is the paper of Plaid Cymru? Iesu Mawr! What do you put on your cornflakes in the morning, crystal meth?

'The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party', that's what it says on the first line of my membership card. Does it explicitly say anywhere on your Plaid membership card that it is a socialist party? No? I didn't think so. Did you know that your candidate for the Assembly in Llanelli, Helen Mary Jones, said that her greatest political memory was Neil Kinnock losing the 1992 election? She must be one of those self loathing socialists that enjoys seeing the Tories in power.

JC is a republican as are many current Labour MPs and members and as many who have gone before, he has also said that abolishing the monarchy is not a priority for him. I'd be willing to bet that many in Plaid would want to keep the Queen as head of state if Wales were to become independent.

CND has long historical links to the Labour Party, even Tony Blair was once a member of Labour CND and AI probably has wide cross party support JC has recently been campaigning with Conservatives David Davis and Andrew Mitchell to free Shaker Aamer from Guantanamo Bay.

As for Palestine and Ireland, JC has always said that you need to talk to all sides to achieve peace and was proved right in terms of Ireland by the Good Friday Agreement, one of Labour's great achievements. Some on the left agree with him on these issues some don't.

Now you can keep banging on about how Plaid are the only socialist party in the village but until you realise that the Labour Party as a whole is made up of a lot more than just the Blairite fringe of the PLP and has a majority of left and centre left members and supporters then you are going to continue to look like a moron.

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Jeremy Corbyn on 16:32 - Aug 12 with 1550 viewslondonlisa2001

Jeremy Corbyn on 16:27 - Aug 12 by Cottsy

I'll work through that list backwards.

Firstly, are you seriously trying to suggest that the Morning Star is the paper of Plaid Cymru? Iesu Mawr! What do you put on your cornflakes in the morning, crystal meth?

'The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party', that's what it says on the first line of my membership card. Does it explicitly say anywhere on your Plaid membership card that it is a socialist party? No? I didn't think so. Did you know that your candidate for the Assembly in Llanelli, Helen Mary Jones, said that her greatest political memory was Neil Kinnock losing the 1992 election? She must be one of those self loathing socialists that enjoys seeing the Tories in power.

JC is a republican as are many current Labour MPs and members and as many who have gone before, he has also said that abolishing the monarchy is not a priority for him. I'd be willing to bet that many in Plaid would want to keep the Queen as head of state if Wales were to become independent.

CND has long historical links to the Labour Party, even Tony Blair was once a member of Labour CND and AI probably has wide cross party support JC has recently been campaigning with Conservatives David Davis and Andrew Mitchell to free Shaker Aamer from Guantanamo Bay.

As for Palestine and Ireland, JC has always said that you need to talk to all sides to achieve peace and was proved right in terms of Ireland by the Good Friday Agreement, one of Labour's great achievements. Some on the left agree with him on these issues some don't.

Now you can keep banging on about how Plaid are the only socialist party in the village but until you realise that the Labour Party as a whole is made up of a lot more than just the Blairite fringe of the PLP and has a majority of left and centre left members and supporters then you are going to continue to look like a moron.


The reality is not that Corbyn is a member of the wrong party according to its historical political positioning of course but that Leanne Wood and her bunch of irrelevant nutters are.

They have almost nothing in common with the ideology of Plaid.

Neither does Trampie, although he doesn't like the English much, so it's a starting point perhaps.
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Jeremy Corbyn on 16:46 - Aug 12 with 1535 viewsCottsy

Jeremy Corbyn on 16:32 - Aug 12 by londonlisa2001

The reality is not that Corbyn is a member of the wrong party according to its historical political positioning of course but that Leanne Wood and her bunch of irrelevant nutters are.

They have almost nothing in common with the ideology of Plaid.

Neither does Trampie, although he doesn't like the English much, so it's a starting point perhaps.


In fairness Trampie isn't the biggest fan of reality and chooses to live independently of it.

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