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Colonial days and the natives 20:10 - Aug 28 with 11470 viewsperchrockjack

Seeing that African countries seem to be basket cases with people looking to do anything to escape, I ask the question.

Were they better off under colonial rule

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Colonial days and the natives on 18:36 - Aug 29 with 1891 viewsFlashberryjack

Colonial days and the natives on 18:30 - Aug 29 by dgt73

Don't forget Stalin - the biggest mass killer in history - all in the name of socialism.


That doesn't count.......no British involvement see.

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Colonial days and the natives on 18:37 - Aug 29 with 1886 viewsexiledclaseboy

I've never seen so many straw men in one thread. Hilarious fair play.

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Colonial days and the natives on 18:41 - Aug 29 with 1874 viewsFlashberryjack

Colonial days and the natives on 18:37 - Aug 29 by exiledclaseboy

I've never seen so many straw men in one thread. Hilarious fair play.


I agree.

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Colonial days and the natives on 19:09 - Aug 29 with 1821 viewsLord_Bony

Colonial days and the natives on 18:30 - Aug 29 by dgt73

Don't forget Stalin - the biggest mass killer in history - all in the name of socialism.


Why oh why is starling brouvht up in ghese thread . He wAs ntthat bad surely. A little misundersood maybe but whi isn't?

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Colonial days and the natives on 19:13 - Aug 29 with 1805 viewsLohengrin

Colonial days and the natives on 18:20 - Aug 29 by Humpty

Which tribes were Eric Griffith-Jones and Sir Evelyn Baring members of Loh? As they were corresponding about Britain's torture practices in the detention camps Britain had set up? The British colonial tribe?

Have times changed? Think on this: how much do you REALLY think the man in the street would care if ISIS terrorists were similarly treated? Forget all about the etiquette and parameters of decent behaviour, the public facade of propriety, deep-down how many do you think would be saying "good enough for them?" Be honest.

Many on here would support it Loh. I wouldn't myself. Call me a silly old liberal but I don't think female detainees should ever be raped with bottles of boiling water. Ever. Especially by a country that likes to call itself civilised. Tree hugging tw*t that I am.


Well as you probably know Griffith-Jones and Baring were Attorney-General and Governor of Kenya, respectively. Neither had a role in counter-insurgency activities, per se.

It's easy to look back all these years later and say how awful; easy to say because it really was awful but you have to face the facts that the Kenyan Highlands were not and are not the fields of Blenheim. There was no code of European chivalry regulating the conduct of the protagonists, this was Africa. Tribal warfare there is marked by genocidal violence, stoked by ancient enmity. It's the unpalatable truth.

I've no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the white officers of native troops chose to look the other way; blood-letting for the sake of "morale" would have been the rationale, but it's not true to say that these were "Britain's torture practices," as you have. This sort of depravity had gone on long before our arrival and continues long after our departure.
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An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Colonial days and the natives on 19:19 - Aug 29 with 1793 viewsperchrockjack

North Korea is democratic, people s Republic , now that means all the basic tenets of socialism, eg, common ownership are manifest in that regime.

Also Albania was a closed to all outsiders state until 1992, another socialist state.

Getting the drift?

But it's not my idea of socialism I hear you opine.

Well, it's pure socialism .

Anyway,glad you re able to understand my unintelligible crap.

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Colonial days and the natives on 20:05 - Aug 29 with 1747 viewsMillJack

Colonial days and the natives on 17:45 - Aug 29 by perchrockjack

It took me 50 yrs to realise I might not be right all the time.

We all bullshite but look in the mirror and the truth, which is humpy, you're morphing into a very unpleasant poster unable to avoid unpleasantness.

You also misquote or simply ignore posts you can't answer to.


I d have a rest now leave this thread alone.

British colonialist did bad things but as regards India, for example, speak to an Indian and you lol find they respect us for introducing many things to their country they stlll adhere to.

For bad, read about Leopold the murderious pig of a Belgian king.


"You also misquote or simply ignore posts you can't answer to."

I can't have been the only person to spot the incredible irony in that statement surely?
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Colonial days and the natives on 21:08 - Aug 29 with 1690 viewssherpajacob

To be fair to perch he makes a compelling argument that we are indeed the master race.

As a result we have fair territorial claims to bring the African nations and peoples ( to save time let's just call them untermenshen ) under our control and protection.

We could even use the extra "living space" in africa to accommodate the expanding uk population.

To help the poor refugees fleeing conflict, lets purpose build some camps for them. Phrases at the entrance gates like work will make you free will help them appreciate how well they are being treated.

Perch should put all his philosphies, in a book to help convert those deniers of UK superiority in all these matters. He could call it something like "my struggle" with chapters entitled strength through joy and a new world order.

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Colonial days and the natives on 21:29 - Aug 29 with 1666 viewsMillJack

Colonial days and the natives on 21:08 - Aug 29 by sherpajacob

To be fair to perch he makes a compelling argument that we are indeed the master race.

As a result we have fair territorial claims to bring the African nations and peoples ( to save time let's just call them untermenshen ) under our control and protection.

We could even use the extra "living space" in africa to accommodate the expanding uk population.

To help the poor refugees fleeing conflict, lets purpose build some camps for them. Phrases at the entrance gates like work will make you free will help them appreciate how well they are being treated.

Perch should put all his philosphies, in a book to help convert those deniers of UK superiority in all these matters. He could call it something like "my struggle" with chapters entitled strength through joy and a new world order.


"Perch should put all his philosophies, in a book....."

Apparently he's planning on starting one but he's run out of crayons.
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Colonial days and the natives on 21:56 - Aug 29 with 1642 viewsJack_Meoff

Colonial days and the natives on 21:08 - Aug 29 by sherpajacob

To be fair to perch he makes a compelling argument that we are indeed the master race.

As a result we have fair territorial claims to bring the African nations and peoples ( to save time let's just call them untermenshen ) under our control and protection.

We could even use the extra "living space" in africa to accommodate the expanding uk population.

To help the poor refugees fleeing conflict, lets purpose build some camps for them. Phrases at the entrance gates like work will make you free will help them appreciate how well they are being treated.

Perch should put all his philosphies, in a book to help convert those deniers of UK superiority in all these matters. He could call it something like "my struggle" with chapters entitled strength through joy and a new world order.


Fair play, your last paragraph is gold...

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.

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Colonial days and the natives on 06:00 - Aug 30 with 1567 viewsHumpty

Colonial days and the natives on 20:05 - Aug 29 by MillJack

"You also misquote or simply ignore posts you can't answer to."

I can't have been the only person to spot the incredible irony in that statement surely?


You should have seen one earlier. It started with "You should see a psychiatrist" and ended with "You always insult people".

With not a hint of irony. The man couldn't even spell it.

Never mind though. I won't go screaming for help because I'm being picked on. I'm not like that.
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Colonial days and the natives on 06:16 - Aug 30 with 1566 viewsHumpty

Colonial days and the natives on 08:39 - Aug 29 by dgt73

What a load of shi:t. You have to be the most boring person on this forum.


You know when you say "What a load of shit." What do you actually mean?

What I say isn't true? I hope so because I'll piss you off with a load of facts if you fancy it.

No?
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Colonial days and the natives on 06:42 - Aug 30 with 1560 viewsHumpty

Colonial days and the natives on 19:13 - Aug 29 by Lohengrin

Well as you probably know Griffith-Jones and Baring were Attorney-General and Governor of Kenya, respectively. Neither had a role in counter-insurgency activities, per se.

It's easy to look back all these years later and say how awful; easy to say because it really was awful but you have to face the facts that the Kenyan Highlands were not and are not the fields of Blenheim. There was no code of European chivalry regulating the conduct of the protagonists, this was Africa. Tribal warfare there is marked by genocidal violence, stoked by ancient enmity. It's the unpalatable truth.

I've no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the white officers of native troops chose to look the other way; blood-letting for the sake of "morale" would have been the rationale, but it's not true to say that these were "Britain's torture practices," as you have. This sort of depravity had gone on long before our arrival and continues long after our departure.
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Loh, I quoted a letter where Griffith-Jones discusses the torture policy of the UK with Baring. UK officials talking about how torture should be carried out in UK detention camps. It's quite specific what they want to be done. Don't beat them in various organs etc.

Don't tell me that it was nothing to do with British torture practices. It was.
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Colonial days and the natives on 08:45 - Aug 30 with 1542 viewsperchrockjack

Now you really are worrying me

Incredible.


and a capital p


6.42 Why? At work, then work, cant sleep then relax and get off here

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Colonial days and the natives on 09:06 - Aug 30 with 1534 viewsJackSomething

Colonial days and the natives on 21:08 - Aug 29 by sherpajacob

To be fair to perch he makes a compelling argument that we are indeed the master race.

As a result we have fair territorial claims to bring the African nations and peoples ( to save time let's just call them untermenshen ) under our control and protection.

We could even use the extra "living space" in africa to accommodate the expanding uk population.

To help the poor refugees fleeing conflict, lets purpose build some camps for them. Phrases at the entrance gates like work will make you free will help them appreciate how well they are being treated.

Perch should put all his philosphies, in a book to help convert those deniers of UK superiority in all these matters. He could call it something like "my struggle" with chapters entitled strength through joy and a new world order.


Heh. Someone will have to explain this to him if he's going to get it though.

You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.

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Colonial days and the natives on 09:15 - Aug 30 with 1521 viewsKilkennyjack

Colonial days and the natives on 21:08 - Aug 29 by sherpajacob

To be fair to perch he makes a compelling argument that we are indeed the master race.

As a result we have fair territorial claims to bring the African nations and peoples ( to save time let's just call them untermenshen ) under our control and protection.

We could even use the extra "living space" in africa to accommodate the expanding uk population.

To help the poor refugees fleeing conflict, lets purpose build some camps for them. Phrases at the entrance gates like work will make you free will help them appreciate how well they are being treated.

Perch should put all his philosphies, in a book to help convert those deniers of UK superiority in all these matters. He could call it something like "my struggle" with chapters entitled strength through joy and a new world order.


Quality stuff !

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Colonial days and the natives on 10:39 - Aug 30 with 1479 viewsperchrockjack

Quality alright.

third person jibes, no capitals and utterly off topic.

REALLY, you re quite laughable and remind me of Les DAWSON and Roy Barrowclough


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Colonial days and the natives on 11:39 - Aug 30 with 1457 viewsJackSomething

Colonial days and the natives on 10:39 - Aug 30 by perchrockjack

Quality alright.

third person jibes, no capitals and utterly off topic.

REALLY, you re quite laughable and remind me of Les DAWSON and Roy Barrowclough



Told you. Whoosh!

You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.

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Colonial days and the natives on 13:32 - Aug 30 with 1419 viewstrampie

Perch and dtg play the English led British state and the Empire is great card but when challenged about blood and soil and nationalist traits they go quiet, its been said the Romans noted how quick the Celts were to learn compared to 'others', Normans apparently married Welsh of equal standing but not 'others', a book Hitler apparently called his 'bible' noted the Welsh as being in the civilised group via maps.
Perch and dgt like to try and put across how great GB is but when pressed on a more detailed look at the different peoples of these islands, they don't like it then, oh no, I wonder if its because they don't see themselves as belonging to the highest order ?
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Colonial days and the natives on 19:41 - Aug 30 with 1361 viewsLohengrin

Colonial days and the natives on 06:42 - Aug 30 by Humpty

Loh, I quoted a letter where Griffith-Jones discusses the torture policy of the UK with Baring. UK officials talking about how torture should be carried out in UK detention camps. It's quite specific what they want to be done. Don't beat them in various organs etc.

Don't tell me that it was nothing to do with British torture practices. It was.


What you've done, Hump, is quote a partial section of a single missive culled from what is an absolutely vast archive bereft of context and, crucially, omitting the response.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Colonial days and the natives on 23:10 - Aug 30 with 1322 viewsperchrockjack

In other words ignored what was posted .


Figures

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Colonial days and the natives on 06:52 - Aug 31 with 1270 viewsHumpty

Colonial days and the natives on 19:41 - Aug 30 by Lohengrin

What you've done, Hump, is quote a partial section of a single missive culled from what is an absolutely vast archive bereft of context and, crucially, omitting the response.


I would of withdrawn from Kenya. When your existence in the country depends on torturing people it's time to f*ck off.
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Colonial days and the natives on 07:00 - Aug 31 with 1266 viewsHumpty

Colonial days and the natives on 23:10 - Aug 30 by perchrockjack

In other words ignored what was posted .


Figures


You're so f*cking thick that you don't deserve a response. You're not a c*cksucker though. That's just debased. No excuse for it is there?
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Colonial days and the natives on 07:38 - Aug 31 with 1257 viewsdgt73

Colonial days and the natives on 07:00 - Aug 31 by Humpty

You're so f*cking thick that you don't deserve a response. You're not a c*cksucker though. That's just debased. No excuse for it is there?


Why don't you Fcukoff - no one cares if someone had their balls cut off- we just beat Man utd and that's all i care about today.

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Colonial days and the natives on 09:47 - Aug 31 with 1227 viewsperchrockjack

You need help hump.

Honest Son.

Are you in another time zone as posting I the death hours is a worry.

NOW, back to topic...

Were they or weren't they?

lts a simple question

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