| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES 16:40 - Dec 8 with 13650 views | johnlangy |
I've created a petition in www.care2.com on the above subject. If you go into the website and enter the petition title 'Invest in the Rest of Wales, not just Cardiff' in the search field the petition will come up.
Sign if you agree and pass on to all your email contacts. If you're on Facebook send it to all your 'friends'. Use any social media outlet you can think of. |  | | |  |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 20:26 - Jan 9 with 1568 views | ymaohyd |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 19:28 - Jan 9 by CopperJack |
Marvellous, what did you say? Bravo! Action will change things, well done. |
Highlighted the disparity in funding between Cardiff and Swansea.
I love to visit Cardiff and it makes me proud that Wales has such a fine capital, but come on!
Vote Plaid this year and make a difference, please!!!! |  |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 08:37 - Jan 10 with 1527 views | CopperJack |
Bravo. I've just emailed my AM and Leanne Wood. The more of us that create a fuss, the better chance we have of securing a better future for Swansea.
When Carwyn responds with his usual rhetoric about loving Swansea, and how much they've invested here (he'll mention the hospital, the Bay Campus and the city centre), here are some items which you may want to use from my email to Leanne/Julie -
Nearly 20 years of wanton neglect has left many people in Swansea feeling increasingly bitter about Wales, devolution and the Welsh Government — myself included. A list of gripes include, of course, the latest announcement that over £500m of Welsh taxpayer money will be spent on a new ‘city deal’ for Cardiff. Not only is this a staggering sum of money for an already regenerated part of Wales, but I haven’t heard any similar announcements made for the Swansea Bay city deal which was discussed around the same time that Cardiff’s city deal first came to fruition.
When Carwyn Jones, for example, made his recent visit to the city, he was questioned on Swansea Sound about the need for greater parity in investment between the two cities. The response espoused the same rhetoric heard all too often, that Welsh Labour loves Swansea and that it has invested in Morriston Hospital, the Swansea Bay Campus and the city centre. Whilst the Swansea Bay Campus is indeed a flagship for the area, I think you’ll agree that it is hardly comparable in scope with the vast investment Cardiff has received for St David’s, Cardiff Bay, the new City Deal, the Millenium Centre, bringing the Ashes to Cardiff, all of which must’ve cost well over £1 billion.
Furthermore, the investment in the city centre, as is my understanding, is being done entirely without Welsh Government investment, and that the Welsh Government only contributed a portion of the cost towards the new Bay Campus. Also, the regeneration of Morriston Hospital, whilst indeed is highly impressive, is hardly comparable to St David’s & Cardiff Bay for generating tourism and wealth for the city.
My fear is that Swansea is becoming economically barren. It isn’t just the large developments, but regularly I, among many others, read how the Welsh Government has paid a substantial sum to the likes of PWC, Pinewood Studios, BBC Wales etc. to open new developments in Cardiff. As I’m sure you can appreciate, these places create an abundance of well-paying, lucrative jobs — the type that Swansea sorely needs. Whilst the BBC in England, for example, has studios in the second city of Birmingham, as well as in cities such as Manchester, a similar development for Swansea seems wholly unlikely.
Public resentment, it would seem, is coupled with the lack of tangible investment into the city to create either high-paying jobs, tourist attractions of the calibre of the Millenium Centre, or indeed contribute towards the regeneration of the woeful city centre. The announcement several years back that the Welsh Government had spent the money specifically earmarked for SA1 caused further outcry, as I’m sure you’ll remember, but not a great deal of surprise. I believe money was also denied for regenerating Mumbles Pier and instead, granted to Penarth Pier — again, a decision met with dismay, but not surprise by many. | |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 09:23 - Jan 10 with 1519 views | johnlangy |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 08:37 - Jan 10 by CopperJack |
Bravo. I've just emailed my AM and Leanne Wood. The more of us that create a fuss, the better chance we have of securing a better future for Swansea.
When Carwyn responds with his usual rhetoric about loving Swansea, and how much they've invested here (he'll mention the hospital, the Bay Campus and the city centre), here are some items which you may want to use from my email to Leanne/Julie -
Nearly 20 years of wanton neglect has left many people in Swansea feeling increasingly bitter about Wales, devolution and the Welsh Government — myself included. A list of gripes include, of course, the latest announcement that over £500m of Welsh taxpayer money will be spent on a new ‘city deal’ for Cardiff. Not only is this a staggering sum of money for an already regenerated part of Wales, but I haven’t heard any similar announcements made for the Swansea Bay city deal which was discussed around the same time that Cardiff’s city deal first came to fruition.
When Carwyn Jones, for example, made his recent visit to the city, he was questioned on Swansea Sound about the need for greater parity in investment between the two cities. The response espoused the same rhetoric heard all too often, that Welsh Labour loves Swansea and that it has invested in Morriston Hospital, the Swansea Bay Campus and the city centre. Whilst the Swansea Bay Campus is indeed a flagship for the area, I think you’ll agree that it is hardly comparable in scope with the vast investment Cardiff has received for St David’s, Cardiff Bay, the new City Deal, the Millenium Centre, bringing the Ashes to Cardiff, all of which must’ve cost well over £1 billion.
Furthermore, the investment in the city centre, as is my understanding, is being done entirely without Welsh Government investment, and that the Welsh Government only contributed a portion of the cost towards the new Bay Campus. Also, the regeneration of Morriston Hospital, whilst indeed is highly impressive, is hardly comparable to St David’s & Cardiff Bay for generating tourism and wealth for the city.
My fear is that Swansea is becoming economically barren. It isn’t just the large developments, but regularly I, among many others, read how the Welsh Government has paid a substantial sum to the likes of PWC, Pinewood Studios, BBC Wales etc. to open new developments in Cardiff. As I’m sure you can appreciate, these places create an abundance of well-paying, lucrative jobs — the type that Swansea sorely needs. Whilst the BBC in England, for example, has studios in the second city of Birmingham, as well as in cities such as Manchester, a similar development for Swansea seems wholly unlikely.
Public resentment, it would seem, is coupled with the lack of tangible investment into the city to create either high-paying jobs, tourist attractions of the calibre of the Millenium Centre, or indeed contribute towards the regeneration of the woeful city centre. The announcement several years back that the Welsh Government had spent the money specifically earmarked for SA1 caused further outcry, as I’m sure you’ll remember, but not a great deal of surprise. I believe money was also denied for regenerating Mumbles Pier and instead, granted to Penarth Pier — again, a decision met with dismay, but not surprise by many. |
Spot on. We need to keep reminding people with detail like this. | | | |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 18:20 - Jan 12 with 1470 views | johnlangy |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 17:37 - Jan 3 by CopperJack |
Brilliant, Langy. Well done. Let us know what they have to say, I imagine they'll have some vitriolic response because they probably (sadly) associate us with them up the road. Still, as you say, hopefully this will help boost things. I fear the current response will generate next to no impact.
It's sad because so many people on here have complained about the lack of funding Swansea (and the rest of Wales) receives, yet so many actually seem willing to do anything about it - something as small as attaching a signature to an online petition. |
There's been a few responses now on Red Passion, most to sign, one giving a direct link to the petition and another a link to the article in the Daily Post about the disparity in funding.
And one who made some disparaging remarks. I replied politely (honestly). | | | |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 09:11 - Jan 13 with 1442 views | CopperJack |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 18:20 - Jan 12 by johnlangy |
There's been a few responses now on Red Passion, most to sign, one giving a direct link to the petition and another a link to the article in the Daily Post about the disparity in funding.
And one who made some disparaging remarks. I replied politely (honestly). |
There's none so blind as those who will not see.
At least it's ticking on. Assembly Elections in May, need a big push before then.
Still awaiting a reply from both Julie & Leanne. I'll keep you informed - although it's been about 4 days now.
If we don't kick up a fuss now and they're voted in for another 4/5 years, that's another 4/5 years of poverty for Swansea. | |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 10:59 - Jan 13 with 1427 views | Private_Partz |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 08:37 - Jan 10 by CopperJack |
Bravo. I've just emailed my AM and Leanne Wood. The more of us that create a fuss, the better chance we have of securing a better future for Swansea.
When Carwyn responds with his usual rhetoric about loving Swansea, and how much they've invested here (he'll mention the hospital, the Bay Campus and the city centre), here are some items which you may want to use from my email to Leanne/Julie -
Nearly 20 years of wanton neglect has left many people in Swansea feeling increasingly bitter about Wales, devolution and the Welsh Government — myself included. A list of gripes include, of course, the latest announcement that over £500m of Welsh taxpayer money will be spent on a new ‘city deal’ for Cardiff. Not only is this a staggering sum of money for an already regenerated part of Wales, but I haven’t heard any similar announcements made for the Swansea Bay city deal which was discussed around the same time that Cardiff’s city deal first came to fruition.
When Carwyn Jones, for example, made his recent visit to the city, he was questioned on Swansea Sound about the need for greater parity in investment between the two cities. The response espoused the same rhetoric heard all too often, that Welsh Labour loves Swansea and that it has invested in Morriston Hospital, the Swansea Bay Campus and the city centre. Whilst the Swansea Bay Campus is indeed a flagship for the area, I think you’ll agree that it is hardly comparable in scope with the vast investment Cardiff has received for St David’s, Cardiff Bay, the new City Deal, the Millenium Centre, bringing the Ashes to Cardiff, all of which must’ve cost well over £1 billion.
Furthermore, the investment in the city centre, as is my understanding, is being done entirely without Welsh Government investment, and that the Welsh Government only contributed a portion of the cost towards the new Bay Campus. Also, the regeneration of Morriston Hospital, whilst indeed is highly impressive, is hardly comparable to St David’s & Cardiff Bay for generating tourism and wealth for the city.
My fear is that Swansea is becoming economically barren. It isn’t just the large developments, but regularly I, among many others, read how the Welsh Government has paid a substantial sum to the likes of PWC, Pinewood Studios, BBC Wales etc. to open new developments in Cardiff. As I’m sure you can appreciate, these places create an abundance of well-paying, lucrative jobs — the type that Swansea sorely needs. Whilst the BBC in England, for example, has studios in the second city of Birmingham, as well as in cities such as Manchester, a similar development for Swansea seems wholly unlikely.
Public resentment, it would seem, is coupled with the lack of tangible investment into the city to create either high-paying jobs, tourist attractions of the calibre of the Millenium Centre, or indeed contribute towards the regeneration of the woeful city centre. The announcement several years back that the Welsh Government had spent the money specifically earmarked for SA1 caused further outcry, as I’m sure you’ll remember, but not a great deal of surprise. I believe money was also denied for regenerating Mumbles Pier and instead, granted to Penarth Pier — again, a decision met with dismay, but not surprise by many. |
Well said CJ. A truly excellent post. I think we need a website called something like WAG Watch. Where we can put all the points you have raised there and more to highlight the sham that is Welsh Labour and the complete disservice it is doing to the rest of Wales. We need forums where posters can highlight the imbalances in relation to their respective areas. The names of all responsible politicians can be listed in their respective areas to give users the opportunity to take their representatives to task. I am sure SWEP would tap in to such a site particularly as they now surprisingly seem to be prepared to highlight how Swansea is now almost completely ignored as compared to Cardiff.
Apologies. I am full of ideas the moment without doing any spadework.
Whatever I plan to become a one man pressure group in the next couple of years once my Grandad duties ease a bit.
Well done Copper and Langy. If our local politicians had half your enthusiasm this area would be in a much better place now :-) [Post edited 13 Jan 2016 11:01]
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 11:06 - Jan 13 with 1420 views | costalotta |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 08:37 - Jan 10 by CopperJack |
Bravo. I've just emailed my AM and Leanne Wood. The more of us that create a fuss, the better chance we have of securing a better future for Swansea.
When Carwyn responds with his usual rhetoric about loving Swansea, and how much they've invested here (he'll mention the hospital, the Bay Campus and the city centre), here are some items which you may want to use from my email to Leanne/Julie -
Nearly 20 years of wanton neglect has left many people in Swansea feeling increasingly bitter about Wales, devolution and the Welsh Government — myself included. A list of gripes include, of course, the latest announcement that over £500m of Welsh taxpayer money will be spent on a new ‘city deal’ for Cardiff. Not only is this a staggering sum of money for an already regenerated part of Wales, but I haven’t heard any similar announcements made for the Swansea Bay city deal which was discussed around the same time that Cardiff’s city deal first came to fruition.
When Carwyn Jones, for example, made his recent visit to the city, he was questioned on Swansea Sound about the need for greater parity in investment between the two cities. The response espoused the same rhetoric heard all too often, that Welsh Labour loves Swansea and that it has invested in Morriston Hospital, the Swansea Bay Campus and the city centre. Whilst the Swansea Bay Campus is indeed a flagship for the area, I think you’ll agree that it is hardly comparable in scope with the vast investment Cardiff has received for St David’s, Cardiff Bay, the new City Deal, the Millenium Centre, bringing the Ashes to Cardiff, all of which must’ve cost well over £1 billion.
Furthermore, the investment in the city centre, as is my understanding, is being done entirely without Welsh Government investment, and that the Welsh Government only contributed a portion of the cost towards the new Bay Campus. Also, the regeneration of Morriston Hospital, whilst indeed is highly impressive, is hardly comparable to St David’s & Cardiff Bay for generating tourism and wealth for the city.
My fear is that Swansea is becoming economically barren. It isn’t just the large developments, but regularly I, among many others, read how the Welsh Government has paid a substantial sum to the likes of PWC, Pinewood Studios, BBC Wales etc. to open new developments in Cardiff. As I’m sure you can appreciate, these places create an abundance of well-paying, lucrative jobs — the type that Swansea sorely needs. Whilst the BBC in England, for example, has studios in the second city of Birmingham, as well as in cities such as Manchester, a similar development for Swansea seems wholly unlikely.
Public resentment, it would seem, is coupled with the lack of tangible investment into the city to create either high-paying jobs, tourist attractions of the calibre of the Millenium Centre, or indeed contribute towards the regeneration of the woeful city centre. The announcement several years back that the Welsh Government had spent the money specifically earmarked for SA1 caused further outcry, as I’m sure you’ll remember, but not a great deal of surprise. I believe money was also denied for regenerating Mumbles Pier and instead, granted to Penarth Pier — again, a decision met with dismay, but not surprise by many. |
Excellent post !
Also like the idea of a website "WAG Watch" although we may have to change the acronym WAG for obvious reasons.
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 14:05 - Jan 13 with 1391 views | CopperJack |
Cheers both. Absolutely, what we need is activism, not apathy. Public apathy has allowed to us to get to our current predicament. As with any political change, it's action that will get results.
Need people signing, and sharing that petition, and emailing their AM, and other politicians to keep voicing our disapproval. Make the parties fight for our vote. | |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 16:42 - Jan 13 with 1373 views | johnlangy |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 14:58 - Jan 9 by trampie |
As regards Plaid investment they would no doubt share it around Wales, their heartlands are far away from Cardiff in Welsh terms in largely rural areas, they are also a social justice party and believe in equality so with them in charge no doubt they would make sure every area has its fair share.
As regards them getting in, unfortunately the Welsh Labour party and the press in Wales has ensured that wont happen as they have used scaremongering tactics and been disingenuous towards Plaid for decades, they won't take Plaid on in a debate on policies but will just try and discredit and belittle them and this is backed up by the media.
Thatcher won the war as regards seeing off socialist policies by appealing to peoples greed and turning tax into a dirty word and the unionists have won the war as regards painting Plaid as something they are not in Wales [not the case in Scotland as the SNP are doing well].
As regards Plaid, they don't help themselves as they are too nice, they don't want to offend anyone mainly because of the press waiting for any opportunity to blacken their name, they should be constantly attacking their rivals but they don't do it, they just say these are our policies.
I heard a story that Plaid won control of a large council back in the day, a Labour stronghold, all the areas that needed council investment were Labour wards, Plaid poured money into those deprived areas the areas that were not so badly off had voted Plaid, come the next local elections the one time Labour voters that had finally decided to vote Plaid thought 'hang about' those in the next village had their village hall done out and we had nothing and so on, so they went back to voting Labour and the poor areas that did well out of Plaid continued to vote Labour as they had always done so Labour got back in with ease [never under estimate villagism in Wales, Wales is very tribal].
So that is an issue for Plaid if they ever do well, should they stick to their principles and divert resources to where its needed or look after the areas were the people voted for them when other areas might be more needy, the Conservatives are well known for looking after their own.
Plaid can be to idealistic and principled for their own good sometimes.
Do you think I should advise them johnlangy ?, if so I would advise attack,attack,attack other parties policies and if they get in I would tell them not to change their principles but just to remember who voted for them [its only what the Conservatives do].
PS I'm hearing a Plaid Government would match the Cardiff deal for Swansea, apparently they want to spread prosperity to all corners of Wales. [Post edited 9 Jan 2016 15:21]
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Re Trampie's last paragraph. In another thread someone mentioned the old WDA. They said that it was far better than the current arrangement for spreading investment around Wales because the people running it were from ALL parts of Wales so they fought for, and got, their area's fair share.
In the news today Plaid have announced that, if they were to form the next government they would set up a new version of the WDA. This would, hopefully put right the problems we are speaking about.
I think it's fair to say that Plaid WON'T be the next government (in spite of our efforts  ). But, it's a certainty that Labour are going to lose some seats to UKIP in the election so they won't have a majority. They'll still be the biggest party but they'll have to ask another party to form a coalition and that party will be Plaid. We know they won't ask the Conservatives or UKIP and the Lib Dems won't have enough seats so it has to be Plaid (this is how I see it panning out).
So, the more votes that Plaid get the better to put them in a strong position to implement the changes they want to make should this coalition happen. I know most of you aren't natural Plaid voters but I think it's fair to say that the only way things are likely to change is if Plaid get a say as part of the government. | | | |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 08:55 - Jan 14 with 1340 views | CopperJack |
Response from Leanne:
Thank you so much for taking the time to write to me with such detailed comments. I agree with many of the points that you make, especially with regards to the neglect of Swansea and, indeed, other parts of Wales.
I’ve been keen to highlight the geographical inequalities within our country as well as the actions of the Welsh Government, which exacerbates that — like for example, their decision to a spend its entire borrowing capacity on a new stretch of the M4 around Newport https://www.partyof.wales/news/2014/07/17/plaid-cymru-rejects-financial-reckless
We often struggle to make sure people hear these statements. Such are the weaknesses in the Welsh media.
Warmest regards,
Leanne.
Still not had a response from Julie James yet. | |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 09:53 - Jan 14 with 1328 views | johnlangy |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 08:55 - Jan 14 by CopperJack |
Response from Leanne:
Thank you so much for taking the time to write to me with such detailed comments. I agree with many of the points that you make, especially with regards to the neglect of Swansea and, indeed, other parts of Wales.
I’ve been keen to highlight the geographical inequalities within our country as well as the actions of the Welsh Government, which exacerbates that — like for example, their decision to a spend its entire borrowing capacity on a new stretch of the M4 around Newport https://www.partyof.wales/news/2014/07/17/plaid-cymru-rejects-financial-reckless
We often struggle to make sure people hear these statements. Such are the weaknesses in the Welsh media.
Warmest regards,
Leanne.
Still not had a response from Julie James yet. |
Brilliant. An open invitation for a response back to Leanne to say forget about the Cardiff media, use the Swansea media. It's only a struggle to get the points across because the Cardiff media aren't interested in the message. And neither are most of the readers of the Western Mail because the current investment approach benefits them.
As I said before, by using the EP for her message she'd be preaching to more people because of the higher circulation of the EP compared with the Western Mail. And she'd also be preaching to people who would recognize, and be converted by, the argument about lack of investment.
And she'd be guaranteed banner headlines. | | | |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 19:47 - Jan 14 with 1263 views | trampie |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 19:13 - Jan 14 by CopperJack |
If by 'Brit Nat Tory' you mean I'm not a xenophobic parochial Welshman who wants independence based on nothing more than an irrational hatred of England, then yes, I'm a Brit Nat Tory.
That's what I've never comprehended about the divisiveness of Welsh Nationalists (similar to Scottish nationalists). They think that if you're proud to be British then you must be an upper-class monacle-wearing Tory who lauds Thatcherism. It's that sort of rhetoric which is why nobody takes nationalism seriously.
But yes, I'm happy to vote for any party which offers to improve my life/circumstances (as we all should be). No party should be given a vote based on what people think they do or don't stand for. That's how we get one-party states like Scotland where they choose their governance based on their irrational hatred of England. If Plaid commit to distributing the nation's wealth and helping to regenerate Swansea, then they will have my vote any day. |
Plaid have English candidates there is no xenophobia on their part the xenophobic is displayed by others towards them, hence the Brit Nats belittling and name calling and the bias press coverage.
It is Brit Nat Tory trait to vote for what is best for oneself, people should vote for what is best for the country but that is a utopian view. |  |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 19:59 - Jan 14 with 1257 views | CopperJack |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 19:47 - Jan 14 by trampie |
Plaid have English candidates there is no xenophobia on their part the xenophobic is displayed by others towards them, hence the Brit Nats belittling and name calling and the bias press coverage.
It is Brit Nat Tory trait to vote for what is best for oneself, people should vote for what is best for the country but that is a utopian view. |
The whole ethos of Plaid is, traditionally, anti-English, and anti-British. That to me is xenophobic. The press don't give them coverage, not because of xenophobia, but because they don't have enough political clout. Are they also xenophobic against the Green Party? No, they're just not a large enough party to merit the same coverage.
And again, that is entirely wrong. Why do people vote Labour? A whole host of reasons, but some do include: being on benefits (which are easier to access under Labour), being a low income earner (Tax credits etc), traditionally they tax higher income earners (benefitting lower income earners). I agree that people should vote for the best for the country, but very few vote for that utopian viewpoint.
Anyway, the point I was making is, you can be proud to be British without automatically being a Thatcherite. Not that it matters, but the way things stand at the moment, I wouldn't vote for Labour or the Tories. 1 is too left, 1 is too right. Labour can't be trusted with defence or the economy, and the Tories (since the last election) have set about introducing widescale machiavellian reforms.
Now, back to the original point. If Leanne & Plaid are willing to help Swansea, then yes, absolutely I'll vote for them. I want the people of Swansea to have the city they deserve, not the city which devolution has so far granted them. With the Assembly Elections looming in May, now is the time. Have you written to your Labour AM to voice your discontent? Even if it's just to say, you're embarrassed about the way that they have neglected Swansea and you'll forthwith be voting for Plaid? | |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 20:25 - Jan 14 with 1249 views | trampie |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 19:59 - Jan 14 by CopperJack |
The whole ethos of Plaid is, traditionally, anti-English, and anti-British. That to me is xenophobic. The press don't give them coverage, not because of xenophobia, but because they don't have enough political clout. Are they also xenophobic against the Green Party? No, they're just not a large enough party to merit the same coverage.
And again, that is entirely wrong. Why do people vote Labour? A whole host of reasons, but some do include: being on benefits (which are easier to access under Labour), being a low income earner (Tax credits etc), traditionally they tax higher income earners (benefitting lower income earners). I agree that people should vote for the best for the country, but very few vote for that utopian viewpoint.
Anyway, the point I was making is, you can be proud to be British without automatically being a Thatcherite. Not that it matters, but the way things stand at the moment, I wouldn't vote for Labour or the Tories. 1 is too left, 1 is too right. Labour can't be trusted with defence or the economy, and the Tories (since the last election) have set about introducing widescale machiavellian reforms.
Now, back to the original point. If Leanne & Plaid are willing to help Swansea, then yes, absolutely I'll vote for them. I want the people of Swansea to have the city they deserve, not the city which devolution has so far granted them. With the Assembly Elections looming in May, now is the time. Have you written to your Labour AM to voice your discontent? Even if it's just to say, you're embarrassed about the way that they have neglected Swansea and you'll forthwith be voting for Plaid? |
The whole ethos of Plaid is not anti English or anti British their opponents say things like that to discredit them that is why its difficult for them to become the biggest party, there is such a thing as English for Plaid.
Plaid has been the second biggest party in the country in the past [they only stand in Wales so I am obviously only referring to Wales] yet you would not have known that from the media coverage within Wales.
Labour are a right wing party just like the Tories, see the political compass site, Plaid/SNP very middle of the road, yet again the press spin something totally different and the population believe what they are told.
I don't have a Labour AM [or MP or council come to that]. | |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 20:37 - Jan 14 with 1240 views | CopperJack |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 20:25 - Jan 14 by trampie |
The whole ethos of Plaid is not anti English or anti British their opponents say things like that to discredit them that is why its difficult for them to become the biggest party, there is such a thing as English for Plaid.
Plaid has been the second biggest party in the country in the past [they only stand in Wales so I am obviously only referring to Wales] yet you would not have known that from the media coverage within Wales.
Labour are a right wing party just like the Tories, see the political compass site, Plaid/SNP very middle of the road, yet again the press spin something totally different and the population believe what they are told.
I don't have a Labour AM [or MP or council come to that]. |
Who is your AM?
I disagree. Labour are about as left now as they've been probably since the 70s. Nuclear disarmament, print more money without the financial credit to support it - effectively causing hyperinflation, re-nationalise industries. The shadow chancellor has voiced his admiration for Chairman Mao.
Again, couldn't disagree more. Saunders Lewis, who set the party up, was vehemently anti-British. He attacked a British military base, he urged Welsh men not to fight the Nazis and believed that Welshmen shouldn't fight for Britain. The whole ethos of nationalism is, by its very definition, divisive and something I want nothing to do with.
I agree that election coverage in Wales is highly partisan, but then everything in our media is. Look at how they cover everything good which happens in Cardiff, as being good for Wales. I'm going to leave it here because I don't want to detract from the main reason for this thread - the petition.
Hopefully ymaohyd gets a response soon from Carywn. More fuss we cause going into the Assembly elections the better, otherwise, it's another 4/5 years of neglect. | |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 21:10 - Jan 14 with 1226 views | trampie |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 20:37 - Jan 14 by CopperJack |
Who is your AM?
I disagree. Labour are about as left now as they've been probably since the 70s. Nuclear disarmament, print more money without the financial credit to support it - effectively causing hyperinflation, re-nationalise industries. The shadow chancellor has voiced his admiration for Chairman Mao.
Again, couldn't disagree more. Saunders Lewis, who set the party up, was vehemently anti-British. He attacked a British military base, he urged Welsh men not to fight the Nazis and believed that Welshmen shouldn't fight for Britain. The whole ethos of nationalism is, by its very definition, divisive and something I want nothing to do with.
I agree that election coverage in Wales is highly partisan, but then everything in our media is. Look at how they cover everything good which happens in Cardiff, as being good for Wales. I'm going to leave it here because I don't want to detract from the main reason for this thread - the petition.
Hopefully ymaohyd gets a response soon from Carywn. More fuss we cause going into the Assembly elections the better, otherwise, it's another 4/5 years of neglect. |
All the political types in power around here tend to be Plaid.
Labour have a left wing leader but their mp's are nearly all red Tories.
Its the same dilemma Irish patriots faced, do you join alongside a group of imperialists that had fought your country for years and invaded it, to fight another group of imperialists ?, that is the way they would have seen it.
They could have taken the view of 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' but they didn't, they remained neutral.
All the press that I am aware of in Wales is basically anti Plaid.
The only way you are going to change the status quo is to vote Plaid and I've nothing to do with Plaid, i'm only a voter, so you might be making a mistake if you think my views are representative of Plaids, I'm just a Welsh sports fan who says it as it is.  | |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 12:15 - Jan 15 with 1186 views | johnlangy |
An extract from Plaid's 'Economic Vision' for Wales.
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For devolution to work for the whole of Wales, we cannot allow investment to be concentrated in one corner of the country at the expense of other areas. Prosperity must be delivered to all parts of Wales by spreading investment to deliver an all-Wales recovery. So alongside the establishment of a new Investment Commission, we will introduce a Regional Renewal Bill that will enshrine in law a requirement on our Welsh Government to ensure that investment benefits all parts of our nation. This will, incidentally, fit in with our proposal for the future of local government in Wales, where we’re advocating the bringing together of our current local authorities to work together across regions, with economic development an obvious function on which they can cooperate on a regional level, much as is currently being developed with the North Wales Economic Ambition Board, and the city regions of the south, but in a way that is replicated Wales-wide.
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 13:33 - Jan 15 with 1172 views | CopperJack |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 12:15 - Jan 15 by johnlangy |
An extract from Plaid's 'Economic Vision' for Wales.
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For devolution to work for the whole of Wales, we cannot allow investment to be concentrated in one corner of the country at the expense of other areas. Prosperity must be delivered to all parts of Wales by spreading investment to deliver an all-Wales recovery. So alongside the establishment of a new Investment Commission, we will introduce a Regional Renewal Bill that will enshrine in law a requirement on our Welsh Government to ensure that investment benefits all parts of our nation. This will, incidentally, fit in with our proposal for the future of local government in Wales, where we’re advocating the bringing together of our current local authorities to work together across regions, with economic development an obvious function on which they can cooperate on a regional level, much as is currently being developed with the North Wales Economic Ambition Board, and the city regions of the south, but in a way that is replicated Wales-wide.
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Sounds good to me. Enough to get my vote.
Still haven't had a reply from Julie James, 7 days later. How's the petition coming? | |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 14:43 - Jan 15 with 1198 views | johnlangy |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 13:33 - Jan 15 by CopperJack |
Sounds good to me. Enough to get my vote.
Still haven't had a reply from Julie James, 7 days later. How's the petition coming? |
Numbers are creaping up slowly. 241 as of now. Not good but we can't force people to sign. I would, though, have hoped for more interest to be shown seeing as everyone who posts on these threads seem to agree completely with the need for the spread of investment.
All we can do is keep going .  | | | |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 15:04 - Jan 15 with 1185 views | CopperJack |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 14:43 - Jan 15 by johnlangy |
Numbers are creaping up slowly. 241 as of now. Not good but we can't force people to sign. I would, though, have hoped for more interest to be shown seeing as everyone who posts on these threads seem to agree completely with the need for the spread of investment.
All we can do is keep going . |
Very true. But like you say, is disappointing considering all the hypocrites who complain about Cardiff getting everything, and aren't even willing to sign a petition to help change it.
Like you say, we'll just keep on and hopefully people will actually want to change their city for the better...eventually, | |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 15:33 - Jan 18 with 1106 views | CopperJack |
Two weeks later and no reply from Julie James. Speaks volumes. Anyone else had any responses? | |
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| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 09:49 - Jan 19 with 1090 views | johnlangy |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 15:33 - Jan 18 by CopperJack |
Two weeks later and no reply from Julie James. Speaks volumes. Anyone else had any responses? |
I mentioned a while ago that i'd emailed Leanne directly on the 9th Jan. I had a response on the 12th from an admin person thanking me for the mail and assuring me that it would be passed on to Leanne. I've not heard any more but the reply to your mail covered it anyway. | | | |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 10:45 - Jan 19 with 1078 views | CopperJack |
| PETITION AGAINST UNFAIR WAG FUNDING IN WALES on 09:49 - Jan 19 by johnlangy |
I mentioned a while ago that i'd emailed Leanne directly on the 9th Jan. I had a response on the 12th from an admin person thanking me for the mail and assuring me that it would be passed on to Leanne. I've not heard any more but the reply to your mail covered it anyway. |
No response from JJ is a shambles. I'll send another email soon.
Any news from Carywn Ymaohyd? | |
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