| Surprised 23:07 - Feb 11 with 3310 views | whiterock |
Question time in Llanelli and no sign of Peter Hain
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| Surprised on 23:27 - Feb 11 with 1936 views | jackrabbit |
What a boring panel. That Leanne Wood woman could bore for Europe or Uw-rope as she it. Predictable questions, predictable audience responses - mention 'baling out the bankers' and get a round of applause. Farage is the only one that doesn't spout platitudes. What is the point of that comedian - no not Carwyn, the other one - on the panel? Oops, here he goes playing the race card - discussing controlling our borders is apparently scaremongering. I'm off to bed. |  | | |
| Surprised on 00:08 - Feb 12 with 1886 views | Banosswan |
| Surprised on 23:27 - Feb 11 by jackrabbit |
What a boring panel. That Leanne Wood woman could bore for Europe or Uw-rope as she it. Predictable questions, predictable audience responses - mention 'baling out the bankers' and get a round of applause. Farage is the only one that doesn't spout platitudes. What is the point of that comedian - no not Carwyn, the other one - on the panel? Oops, here he goes playing the race card - discussing controlling our borders is apparently scaremongering. I'm off to bed. |
We have no variety in Welsh politics basically. |  |
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| Surprised on 00:30 - Feb 12 with 1860 views | Vinnie |
| Surprised on 23:27 - Feb 11 by jackrabbit |
What a boring panel. That Leanne Wood woman could bore for Europe or Uw-rope as she it. Predictable questions, predictable audience responses - mention 'baling out the bankers' and get a round of applause. Farage is the only one that doesn't spout platitudes. What is the point of that comedian - no not Carwyn, the other one - on the panel? Oops, here he goes playing the race card - discussing controlling our borders is apparently scaremongering. I'm off to bed. |
I thought exactly the same and while I'm sure Leanne Wood is a nice girl,she lives in bloody cuckoo land. | | | |
| Surprised on 07:08 - Feb 12 with 1775 views | Edmundo |
| Surprised on 00:30 - Feb 12 by Vinnie |
I thought exactly the same and while I'm sure Leanne Wood is a nice girl,she lives in bloody cuckoo land. |
A certain lack of quality in the political choices in Wales. It's not surprising really, a land that's been labour controlled for so long, just looks like a place that is devoid of free thinking and confidence.
Maybe another few decades of this will firmly entrench us is the bottom of the European League 😉 |  |
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| Surprised on 07:39 - Feb 12 with 1747 views | Kilkennyjack |
Firstly lovely Leanne was again brilliant. A journo type guy on twitter said her voice was 'audio chocolate'. The Red Rhondda Republican Rebel take a bow.
Farage was the golf club bore as usual. Uninformed, and still 'the pound shop Enoch Powell'. A joke.
Tory boy Crabb, old Carwyn, and the comedian did ok.
I thought it was a good mix covering the senedd, westminster, and brussels.
And before we all agree welsh politics is shite, its worth remembering that in the last century, 2 of the 3 greatest orators in westminster were welsh - lloyd george and nye. The other being churchill of course. Maybe we are not so dull after all. |  |
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| Surprised on 08:42 - Feb 12 with 1680 views | Lohengrin |
| Surprised on 07:39 - Feb 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Firstly lovely Leanne was again brilliant. A journo type guy on twitter said her voice was 'audio chocolate'. The Red Rhondda Republican Rebel take a bow.
Farage was the golf club bore as usual. Uninformed, and still 'the pound shop Enoch Powell'. A joke.
Tory boy Crabb, old Carwyn, and the comedian did ok.
I thought it was a good mix covering the senedd, westminster, and brussels.
And before we all agree welsh politics is shite, its worth remembering that in the last century, 2 of the 3 greatest orators in westminster were welsh - lloyd george and nye. The other being churchill of course. Maybe we are not so dull after all. |
LLoyd George wasn't dubbed "The Wizard" for nothing he is rightly acknowledged as being one of the twentieth century's greatest orators but Aneurin Bevan was nowhere near that elite bracket. He was good value because of the outrageous things he'd say not because of the style of his delivery. Have you heard him? The high-pitch, the stammer: that's not the instrument of a rhetorician. Labour's best speaker, well ILP anyway, of the last century was a Scot, James Maxton.
Churchill wasn't a great public speaker by any stretch of the imagination, being able to deliver a radio script well isn't the same thing at all. His delivery was ponderous and he completely lacked the adroitness or confidence to perform extempore. The mauling he took in the Commons from Mosley in the '20s are legendary. |  |
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| Surprised on 13:57 - Feb 12 with 1580 views | Nookiejack |
What was quite interesting was that all panel members seemed to think imposition of tariffs on Chinese steel was a good thing.
The panel seemed to indicate EU wanted to increase the tariffs but UK Govt had blocked this at EU.
China has built up too much capital investment (switching after 2008 crash - from an export led economy to one based on capital investment). From this overproduction in steel not likely to go away and steel prices likely to be low for considerable time.
Surprised one of the panelists didn't make counter 'free trade' argument including that cheap Chinese steel could actually be good for rest of UK economy - however you do then wipe out steel industry in South Wales and rest of UK.
UK steel industry also seemed to be paying more for its energy than international competitors - due to cost of renewable energy (which is obviously another debate). (Would Swansea's tidal lagoon increase or decrease electricity prices?)
I suppose this steel example supports one of the criticisms that Karl Marx made about capitalist system - tendency to build up over capacity at certain points in economic cycle - causing boom and bust.
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| Surprised on 13:59 - Feb 12 with 1576 views | Lohengrin |
| Surprised on 13:57 - Feb 12 by Nookiejack |
What was quite interesting was that all panel members seemed to think imposition of tariffs on Chinese steel was a good thing.
The panel seemed to indicate EU wanted to increase the tariffs but UK Govt had blocked this at EU.
China has built up too much capital investment (switching after 2008 crash - from an export led economy to one based on capital investment). From this overproduction in steel not likely to go away and steel prices likely to be low for considerable time.
Surprised one of the panelists didn't make counter 'free trade' argument including that cheap Chinese steel could actually be good for rest of UK economy - however you do then wipe out steel industry in South Wales and rest of UK.
UK steel industry also seemed to be paying more for its energy than international competitors - due to cost of renewable energy (which is obviously another debate). (Would Swansea's tidal lagoon increase or decrease electricity prices?)
I suppose this steel example supports one of the criticisms that Karl Marx made about capitalist system - tendency to build up over capacity at certain points in economic cycle - causing boom and bust.
No easy answers. |
Muddled thinking there from Dead Wood seeing as she's a member of No Borders.  | |
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| Surprised on 14:27 - Feb 12 with 1533 views | dailew |
Apparently he was off filming a new Tango advert. |  |
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| Surprised on 14:29 - Feb 12 with 1528 views | Groo |
Is Peter Hain a footballer then? Unsure why this is on the football forum. |  |
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| Surprised on 17:10 - Feb 12 with 1445 views | Edmundo |
| Surprised on 08:42 - Feb 12 by Lohengrin |
LLoyd George wasn't dubbed "The Wizard" for nothing he is rightly acknowledged as being one of the twentieth century's greatest orators but Aneurin Bevan was nowhere near that elite bracket. He was good value because of the outrageous things he'd say not because of the style of his delivery. Have you heard him? The high-pitch, the stammer: that's not the instrument of a rhetorician. Labour's best speaker, well ILP anyway, of the last century was a Scot, James Maxton.
Churchill wasn't a great public speaker by any stretch of the imagination, being able to deliver a radio script well isn't the same thing at all. His delivery was ponderous and he completely lacked the adroitness or confidence to perform extempore. The mauling he took in the Commons from Mosley in the '20s are legendary. |
I'm sure those politicians will be helping Wales loads in the coming elections.......could be interesting!
CURRENTLY we have very few quality politicians in Wales, representing us and fighting our corner.
Whether in Wales or Westminster name us a few Welsh MPs who currently represent us and who look out for us a country and us as a region within Wales? | |
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| Surprised on 10:22 - Feb 14 with 1256 views | trampie |
| Surprised on 00:08 - Feb 12 by Banosswan |
We have no variety in Welsh politics basically. |
You don't know Leanne Woods politics or Plaids if you think that. |  |
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| Surprised on 10:26 - Feb 14 with 1250 views | trampie |
| Surprised on 00:30 - Feb 12 by Vinnie |
I thought exactly the same and while I'm sure Leanne Wood is a nice girl,she lives in bloody cuckoo land. |
I see your thinking reportedly turning down 23K for being leader and now wanting to turn down a 10k pay rise in your mind relates to living in cuckoo land.
I take it you prefer politicians that would milk the job ? | |
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| Surprised on 10:49 - Feb 14 with 1230 views | trampie |
| Surprised on 17:10 - Feb 12 by Edmundo |
I'm sure those politicians will be helping Wales loads in the coming elections.......could be interesting!
CURRENTLY we have very few quality politicians in Wales, representing us and fighting our corner.
Whether in Wales or Westminster name us a few Welsh MPs who currently represent us and who look out for us a country and us as a region within Wales? |
Swansea votes Brit Nat, no Brit Nat is going to look after Wales or Swansea. | |
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| Surprised on 12:05 - Feb 14 with 1207 views | Lohengrin |
| Surprised on 10:49 - Feb 14 by trampie |
Swansea votes Brit Nat, no Brit Nat is going to look after Wales or Swansea. |
What about those Brit Nats that relocated the DVLA to Swansea and The Royal Mint to Cardiff? Damn those pesky blighters with their secure career opportunities and pension provision... | |
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| Surprised on 12:19 - Feb 14 with 1192 views | trampie |
| Surprised on 12:05 - Feb 14 by Lohengrin |
What about those Brit Nats that relocated the DVLA to Swansea and The Royal Mint to Cardiff? Damn those pesky blighters with their secure career opportunities and pension provision... |
Yes Swanzy and Kaardiff Brit Nat enclaves that vote Brit Nat and get sweetners back, no wonder Glyndwr burned them both to the ground. | |
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| Surprised on 12:35 - Feb 14 with 1177 views | Lohengrin |
| Surprised on 12:19 - Feb 14 by trampie |
Yes Swanzy and Kaardiff Brit Nat enclaves that vote Brit Nat and get sweetners back, no wonder Glyndwr burned them both to the ground. |
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| Surprised on 12:37 - Feb 14 with 1175 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Surprised on 08:42 - Feb 12 by Lohengrin |
LLoyd George wasn't dubbed "The Wizard" for nothing he is rightly acknowledged as being one of the twentieth century's greatest orators but Aneurin Bevan was nowhere near that elite bracket. He was good value because of the outrageous things he'd say not because of the style of his delivery. Have you heard him? The high-pitch, the stammer: that's not the instrument of a rhetorician. Labour's best speaker, well ILP anyway, of the last century was a Scot, James Maxton.
Churchill wasn't a great public speaker by any stretch of the imagination, being able to deliver a radio script well isn't the same thing at all. His delivery was ponderous and he completely lacked the adroitness or confidence to perform extempore. The mauling he took in the Commons from Mosley in the '20s are legendary. |
Kinnock was a fantastic orator too. |  |
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| Surprised on 12:39 - Feb 14 with 1172 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Surprised on 12:05 - Feb 14 by Lohengrin |
What about those Brit Nats that relocated the DVLA to Swansea and The Royal Mint to Cardiff? Damn those pesky blighters with their secure career opportunities and pension provision... |
They centralised in the former case rather than relocated. | |
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| Surprised on 12:42 - Feb 14 with 1169 views | Lohengrin |
| Surprised on 12:39 - Feb 14 by exiledclaseboy |
They centralised in the former case rather than relocated. |
How was it done previously? Was it a case of the different licencing functions being undertaken at several locations, presumably around London? | |
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| Surprised on 12:44 - Feb 14 with 1163 views | trampie |
| Surprised on 12:35 - Feb 14 by Lohengrin |
Aren't you getting a bit long in the tooth for this sort of carry-on? |
Truth hurts does it. lol | |
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| Surprised on 12:45 - Feb 14 with 1161 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Surprised on 12:42 - Feb 14 by Lohengrin |
How was it done previously? Was it a case of the different licencing functions being undertaken at several locations, presumably around London? |
Local authorities used to issue both driving licences and register vehicles. They weren't very good at it either, hence the centralisation. | |
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| Surprised on 12:49 - Feb 14 with 1156 views | Lohengrin |
| Surprised on 12:37 - Feb 14 by exiledclaseboy |
Kinnock was a fantastic orator too. |
I'd say that Kinnock has probably been Labour's best stump orator during my lifetime, Clase.
Another I'd have loved to have seen perform would have been Arthur "AJ" Cook, the old Miner's Federation leader. My grandfather saw him several times and by all accounts he was seldom less than mesmerizing. Like a passionate and convinced revivalist preacher he could set the rostrum ablaze. I love all that. | |
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| Surprised on 12:52 - Feb 14 with 1144 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Surprised on 12:49 - Feb 14 by Lohengrin |
I'd say that Kinnock has probably been Labour's best stump orator during my lifetime, Clase.
Another I'd have loved to have seen perform would have been Arthur "AJ" Cook, the old Miner's Federation leader. My grandfather saw him several times and by all accounts he was seldom less than mesmerizing. Like a passionate and convinced revivalist preacher he could set the rostrum ablaze. I love all that. |
I'd tend to agree with you about Kinnock. He was Labour leader when I first joined up as a radical-ish teen. Scargill was also a fantastic, rabble rousing speaker.
Is it too much of a stretch to opine that most great speakers tend to come from the left? | |
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| Surprised on 13:04 - Feb 14 with 1122 views | trampie |
Gwynfor was a good speaker. | |
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