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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:53 - Apr 26 with 1665 viewsnice_to_michu

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:39 - Apr 26 by trampie

You are the troll not me, you want along with other red Tory types for me to be banned from this site to shut down debate, because you cant beat me in a debate, lol.

Plaid are left wing, Labour are right wing, Plaid are more old Labour than old Labour.


Don't flatter yourself, it doesn't suit you.

You aren't even debating, you are child-like in your approach to a discussion.

Trolling is for teenagers, they also have this slight hope that if they say something loud enough on social media, people will agree with them. It works on teenagers, but there aren't many on here.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:56 - Apr 26 with 1662 viewsPrivate_Partz

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:37 - Apr 26 by nice_to_michu

So my main point about how predictabie it is that, a Plaid-led Wales would all but guarantee the Tories win in Westminster for decades, is not recognised by you again.

I get it, you say it's a protest vote. That's what some SNP supporters said, and before they knew it the people they elected into power used it is a platform to bash the Labour Party at a general election, with dire consequences.

It is so obvious. It's happened in other countries too. But it has also happened here in the UK, very recently.
[Post edited 26 Apr 2016 18:38]


And you do not recognise that until Welsh Labour gets its act together and develope and govern the whole of Wales the decline will continue.
To compare us to Scotland is just not on. They have been on the verge of independence. Scottish Labour losing sight of their objectives have had a big part to play in that. Don't take my word for it, listen to the SL politicians.
Wales is different gravy. We do not have nearly enough infastructure to bring wealth to the whole country to be independent. North and South Wales are only linked by rail and road networks in England. We are completely unprepared for independence. A fact recognised by Leanne.
As for the Westminster elections. Do you honestly think Welsh voters will vote Plaid MPs in large numbers because they potentially come second or third in the WAG elections? The electorate effectively voting for an independent Wales?
I think your concerns should be more directed to the Tories gerrymandering with the political boundaries. Mine certainly are. In the meantime let's hope that Welsh and Scottish Labour politicians wake up in the meantime. I believe there are encouraging signs in Scotland. I suspect it needs to get a lot worse before Carwyn wakes from his slumbers.
[Post edited 26 Apr 2016 18:57]

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 19:00 - Apr 26 with 1651 viewstrampie

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:53 - Apr 26 by nice_to_michu

Don't flatter yourself, it doesn't suit you.

You aren't even debating, you are child-like in your approach to a discussion.

Trolling is for teenagers, they also have this slight hope that if they say something loud enough on social media, people will agree with them. It works on teenagers, but there aren't many on here.
[Post edited 26 Apr 2016 18:55]


You are trolling right now, people that get abusive often do so because they have lost the argument and that is what you are doing right now.

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 19:33 - Apr 26 with 1629 viewsnice_to_michu

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 19:00 - Apr 26 by trampie

You are trolling right now, people that get abusive often do so because they have lost the argument and that is what you are doing right now.


I sincerely apologise for calling you child-like.

I didn't realise you felt that was abusive.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 07:56 - Apr 27 with 1565 viewstrampie

Plaid produce a near 200 page manifesto, Labours is barely 20 pages with lots of pictures, perhaps Labours manifesto is just targeted at their current voters.

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:08 - Apr 27 with 1549 viewsCopperJack

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:35 - Apr 26 by acejack3065

Glyn from Big Brother doesn't seem too bright. Just saying.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/plaid-cymrus-glyn-wise-under-978455

So you hate Labour because they are too similar to the conservatives but are happy to see Plaid do a deal with the actual conservative party?

Ok then!

Remember all the nasty right wing things the Labour Party has done in Wales like capping student fees, preserving EMA, keeping privatisation out of the NHS, extending flying start, free bus passes, I could go on, and then enjoy watching Plaid, apparently a real left wing party, do a deal with the conservatives who oppose almost all of those things.


Also remember all the brilliant 'socialist' things that the apparently Left-wing Labour Party has done in Wales. Like, spend hundreds of millions on creating Cardiff Bay, St Davids, centralising tax jobs and BBC jobs in Cardiff, taking Pinewood Studios, Dr Who, PWC and many other huge companies paying massive salaries to Cardiff, building them tourist-attracting icons like the millenium centre, Wales Opera House etc, paying £15m each time they take a test match to Cardiff, redevelop Penarth Pier at the expensse of the Mumbles Pier, back the Cardiff City deal but not ours and have enough money to spend over a BILLION on a new relief road for the SE, but not enough for our city centre regeneration plans? Yet, they keep giving all this money to the SEVENTH wealthiest place in the UK. Where do you think Swansea comes on that list? Wouldn't a socialist, or even Left-wing party put some of these developments in Swansea? Or anywhere else in Wales for that matter.

I'm sorry but the early Labour Party must be turning in their graves at this sham. I want Labour out, regardless. It'd only when they realise they can't guarantee our vote that they'll start caring about us. At the moment, we're as safe a seat as you can get, so they treat us with contempt.

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 10:07 - Apr 27 with 1532 viewsacejack3065

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:08 - Apr 27 by CopperJack

Also remember all the brilliant 'socialist' things that the apparently Left-wing Labour Party has done in Wales. Like, spend hundreds of millions on creating Cardiff Bay, St Davids, centralising tax jobs and BBC jobs in Cardiff, taking Pinewood Studios, Dr Who, PWC and many other huge companies paying massive salaries to Cardiff, building them tourist-attracting icons like the millenium centre, Wales Opera House etc, paying £15m each time they take a test match to Cardiff, redevelop Penarth Pier at the expensse of the Mumbles Pier, back the Cardiff City deal but not ours and have enough money to spend over a BILLION on a new relief road for the SE, but not enough for our city centre regeneration plans? Yet, they keep giving all this money to the SEVENTH wealthiest place in the UK. Where do you think Swansea comes on that list? Wouldn't a socialist, or even Left-wing party put some of these developments in Swansea? Or anywhere else in Wales for that matter.

I'm sorry but the early Labour Party must be turning in their graves at this sham. I want Labour out, regardless. It'd only when they realise they can't guarantee our vote that they'll start caring about us. At the moment, we're as safe a seat as you can get, so they treat us with contempt.


This is tedium beyond belief. For a start what have Plaid said in their 200 page manifesto that says they are going to change anything? They launched it from the Cardiff City Stadium FFS!

Most of the Cardiff things you list were built with private money or Cardiff City council money for a start, and our council is trying to attract the same private money for our city deal. Sofia Gardens was developed with Cardiff Council money. If you want to see first class cricket back in Swansea then complain to Swansea City Council, who already built US a stadium and haven't charged us any rent.

Mumbles Pier wasn't snubbed in favour of Penarth Pier at all. Thats just a blatant lie. The problems with Mumbles pier redevelopment are all to do with land disputes, not the fact that the Welsh government won't give poor little Swansea any money.

The M4 relief road is backed by ALL major parties in Wales and will benefit all of South Wales. If you think thats investment for investments sake you need to try and drive through Newport at any time of the day that isn't 3 AM.

You do yourself no favours when you lie to try and skew your arguments to make the situation look worse than it is. No-one on this thread has said they are happy with the rate and pace of investment in Swansea and we would all like and hope to see that change in the next 5 years but taking the "chip on your shoulder" attitude to everything is completely distorting your argument.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 10:41 - Apr 27 with 1519 viewsPrivate_Partz

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 10:07 - Apr 27 by acejack3065

This is tedium beyond belief. For a start what have Plaid said in their 200 page manifesto that says they are going to change anything? They launched it from the Cardiff City Stadium FFS!

Most of the Cardiff things you list were built with private money or Cardiff City council money for a start, and our council is trying to attract the same private money for our city deal. Sofia Gardens was developed with Cardiff Council money. If you want to see first class cricket back in Swansea then complain to Swansea City Council, who already built US a stadium and haven't charged us any rent.

Mumbles Pier wasn't snubbed in favour of Penarth Pier at all. Thats just a blatant lie. The problems with Mumbles pier redevelopment are all to do with land disputes, not the fact that the Welsh government won't give poor little Swansea any money.

The M4 relief road is backed by ALL major parties in Wales and will benefit all of South Wales. If you think thats investment for investments sake you need to try and drive through Newport at any time of the day that isn't 3 AM.

You do yourself no favours when you lie to try and skew your arguments to make the situation look worse than it is. No-one on this thread has said they are happy with the rate and pace of investment in Swansea and we would all like and hope to see that change in the next 5 years but taking the "chip on your shoulder" attitude to everything is completely distorting your argument.


So you do you feel that the imbalance in investment across Wales is inevitable? In Swansea's case 35 miles of motorway makes Cardiff a much more attractive place for Private investment? Also a better class of local councillors in the SE who have attracted all this investment? This despite the best efforts of Welsh Labour to redress the balance in favour of the rest of Wales? Do you honestly believe that?
No one is disputing that it is Private investment that is the main funding for all this. It is the effort in getting the investment and the initial financial support provide by WAG is the issue. A massive imbalance between the North and South in per capita has already been highlighted by the Daily Post. I shudder to think if the comparison was made between the SE of Wales and the rest of the principality. In England there have been some efforts to move media jobs , Public Sector jobs and tourist attractions out of London and redistribute them across the rest of the country. Admittedly too little and too late as London continues to overheat. 17 years of Welsh Labour has seen no effort to redress the balance and like it or not Wales is turning into a City State as a result.
The fact that all the big parties support something does not make it right. You are not entirely correct about Brynglas as Plaid, whilst they may support and alternative, have openly said they would not support Labour in a coalition if the billion pound fiasco goes ahead.
Mumbles Pier? I seem to recall the money was there but it was lost do the failing land deals when Welsh Labour sold off massive amounts of Public land to the Private Sector at knock down prices. Hardly Socialist is it?
Five years and things will improve? Now that is Cardiff media and Welsh Labour spin. If this happens along with the North Wales City Deal and metro then fine. I will be here singing the praises of WL and asking when the are going to improve the rest of the infastructure. I would only be asking why it took them so long. I really am not holding my breath on that one
Chips on the shoulder? Ah that old one. That was used to keep everyone outside of Cardiff in their place. You don't hear that one very often now.
You and NTM are doing Wesh Labour no service as, if it carries on like this,the inevitable decline of the party will continue as more people wise up to their complacent Cardiff centric policies.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 11:19 - Apr 27 with 1510 viewsCopperJack

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 10:07 - Apr 27 by acejack3065

This is tedium beyond belief. For a start what have Plaid said in their 200 page manifesto that says they are going to change anything? They launched it from the Cardiff City Stadium FFS!

Most of the Cardiff things you list were built with private money or Cardiff City council money for a start, and our council is trying to attract the same private money for our city deal. Sofia Gardens was developed with Cardiff Council money. If you want to see first class cricket back in Swansea then complain to Swansea City Council, who already built US a stadium and haven't charged us any rent.

Mumbles Pier wasn't snubbed in favour of Penarth Pier at all. Thats just a blatant lie. The problems with Mumbles pier redevelopment are all to do with land disputes, not the fact that the Welsh government won't give poor little Swansea any money.

The M4 relief road is backed by ALL major parties in Wales and will benefit all of South Wales. If you think thats investment for investments sake you need to try and drive through Newport at any time of the day that isn't 3 AM.

You do yourself no favours when you lie to try and skew your arguments to make the situation look worse than it is. No-one on this thread has said they are happy with the rate and pace of investment in Swansea and we would all like and hope to see that change in the next 5 years but taking the "chip on your shoulder" attitude to everything is completely distorting your argument.


Utter nonsense.

Most of those developments were completed with large grants from the WAG - the Millenium Centre, for example, had £47m of Welsh Labour money - that's £41m more than they're considering offering our city centre regeneration plans.

The money has gone into the city deal, where is ours? Google anything about companies moving to Cardiff, like Pinewood, like PWC etc, it's all with 'grant from WAG'. Why don't they offer them grants to open here?

Also, if all this was done with solely private investment, then how come they only started after devolution? Massive coincidence, I'm sure.

As for Mumbles Pier, money was applied for at the same time as Penarth Pier. Ours was rejected. Funny that.

Also, notice how you glance over the fact that they sold the land in SA1, promised the money to us and then used it elsewhere in Wales.

Keep burying your head in the sand, nothing will ever change, which I'm sure you're thrilled to death about as long as we continue having a strong capital.

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 13:32 - Apr 27 with 1498 viewsKerouac

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 22:14 - Apr 27 with 1441 viewspikeypaul

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_devolution_referendum,_1997#/media/File%3A

Ironic how the area that voted against it is benefiting most

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 00:51 - Apr 28 with 1415 viewsJack_Meoff

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 13:32 - Apr 27 by Kerouac

Radio Wales now....debate, Welsh Labour taking an absolute kicking!


Labour get a mention and like the f*cking shopkeeper you appear. What an utter coincidence. How many sheckles for you, Mr Cut and Paste?

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 07:49 - Apr 28 with 1396 viewsKerouac

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 00:51 - Apr 28 by Jack_Meoff

Labour get a mention and like the f*cking shopkeeper you appear. What an utter coincidence. How many sheckles for you, Mr Cut and Paste?


What is this anti-Semite jabbering on about.

Intellectual Pygmy.




Are you a nasty anti-Semitic moron?
Vote Labour.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:07 - Apr 28 with 1379 viewsCopperJack

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 22:14 - Apr 27 by pikeypaul

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_devolution_referendum,_1997#/media/File%3A

Ironic how the area that voted against it is benefiting most


I know, there's a cruel irony there. Personally, I'd like to see it disbanded, only Cardiff has benefitted from devolution. The rest of Wales has regressed.

Kerouac, I missed the debate. What was said?

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:49 - Apr 28 with 1373 viewsjohnlangy

Am I right in saying there were only two TV leader debates ? I'm not certain if I missed any. I ask because, when I saw this one was in Cardiff as well as the ITV one last week my immediate reaction was how stupid that is of the programme makers and politicians. Why was one not in North Wales because the audience there would have different priorities. Health and education would be similar but the attitude to infrastructure spend, for example, would be different.

If you didn't see it infrastructure spend had a reasonable hearing in last night's debate. The big question was about the M4 relief road. Labour and the Conservatives have stated categorically they will go ahead with the most expensive option whereas Plaid, Lib Dems and UKIP have said they'd take a cheaper option and invest the money saved around the rest of Wales. So what we'll have, in this example, is Labour being supported by the Conservatives to get their plans through.

And, even though the audience must have been predominantly from the Cardiff area, when one of the leaders said it made no sense to commit the whole budget to one road scheme in the South East that brought a big round of applause.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 10:24 - Apr 28 with 1363 viewsCopperJack

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:49 - Apr 28 by johnlangy

Am I right in saying there were only two TV leader debates ? I'm not certain if I missed any. I ask because, when I saw this one was in Cardiff as well as the ITV one last week my immediate reaction was how stupid that is of the programme makers and politicians. Why was one not in North Wales because the audience there would have different priorities. Health and education would be similar but the attitude to infrastructure spend, for example, would be different.

If you didn't see it infrastructure spend had a reasonable hearing in last night's debate. The big question was about the M4 relief road. Labour and the Conservatives have stated categorically they will go ahead with the most expensive option whereas Plaid, Lib Dems and UKIP have said they'd take a cheaper option and invest the money saved around the rest of Wales. So what we'll have, in this example, is Labour being supported by the Conservatives to get their plans through.

And, even though the audience must have been predominantly from the Cardiff area, when one of the leaders said it made no sense to commit the whole budget to one road scheme in the South East that brought a big round of applause.


Cheers Langy. Even they can see how ridiculous this is. Be quite funny for all the anti-Tory, donkey voting Labour supporters if they needed the help of the Conservatives to get these plans through. Think it illustrates how far from socialist Welsh Labour is.

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 10:37 - Apr 28 with 1360 viewsplasjack

I was under the impression that if Labour put a monkey up as a candidate it would win in Wales, well i happen to like monkeys.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 13:02 - Apr 28 with 1338 viewsWingstandwood

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:49 - Apr 28 by johnlangy

Am I right in saying there were only two TV leader debates ? I'm not certain if I missed any. I ask because, when I saw this one was in Cardiff as well as the ITV one last week my immediate reaction was how stupid that is of the programme makers and politicians. Why was one not in North Wales because the audience there would have different priorities. Health and education would be similar but the attitude to infrastructure spend, for example, would be different.

If you didn't see it infrastructure spend had a reasonable hearing in last night's debate. The big question was about the M4 relief road. Labour and the Conservatives have stated categorically they will go ahead with the most expensive option whereas Plaid, Lib Dems and UKIP have said they'd take a cheaper option and invest the money saved around the rest of Wales. So what we'll have, in this example, is Labour being supported by the Conservatives to get their plans through.

And, even though the audience must have been predominantly from the Cardiff area, when one of the leaders said it made no sense to commit the whole budget to one road scheme in the South East that brought a big round of applause.


Thanks for that information also! Well its a case of f#ck off Welsh Conservatives and their sister party Welsh Labour a.k.a Red Tories i.e. they both want to partake/continue with disgusting social injustice and funding inequality.

I am not going to vote Labour purely on the basis that they're not the Tories. So therefore they only deserve the unconditional loyalty of the thickest of donkey voters! Hey SW Wales donkey voting thickos?......Morriston Hospital still has an atrocious car parking system after donkey's years of Labour governance but at least you can go to bed rest assured (you're that thick to be!) that Welsh Labour has sh#t on us/you to prioritise a white elephant (£60 million from WAG) opera house fifty or so miles away.......Mugs! Mugs!....Mugs!

Argus!

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 13:58 - Apr 28 with 1314 viewsnice_to_michu

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 13:02 - Apr 28 by Wingstandwood

Thanks for that information also! Well its a case of f#ck off Welsh Conservatives and their sister party Welsh Labour a.k.a Red Tories i.e. they both want to partake/continue with disgusting social injustice and funding inequality.

I am not going to vote Labour purely on the basis that they're not the Tories. So therefore they only deserve the unconditional loyalty of the thickest of donkey voters! Hey SW Wales donkey voting thickos?......Morriston Hospital still has an atrocious car parking system after donkey's years of Labour governance but at least you can go to bed rest assured (you're that thick to be!) that Welsh Labour has sh#t on us/you to prioritise a white elephant (£60 million from WAG) opera house fifty or so miles away.......Mugs! Mugs!....Mugs!


Pure class again from Trampie
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 14:31 - Apr 28 with 1295 viewsjohnlangy

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 13:02 - Apr 28 by Wingstandwood

Thanks for that information also! Well its a case of f#ck off Welsh Conservatives and their sister party Welsh Labour a.k.a Red Tories i.e. they both want to partake/continue with disgusting social injustice and funding inequality.

I am not going to vote Labour purely on the basis that they're not the Tories. So therefore they only deserve the unconditional loyalty of the thickest of donkey voters! Hey SW Wales donkey voting thickos?......Morriston Hospital still has an atrocious car parking system after donkey's years of Labour governance but at least you can go to bed rest assured (you're that thick to be!) that Welsh Labour has sh#t on us/you to prioritise a white elephant (£60 million from WAG) opera house fifty or so miles away.......Mugs! Mugs!....Mugs!


No problem.

Something else I forgot to mention. During the infrastructure section, when Carwyn was talking about Labour plans for infrastructure spend he talked about their plans for Metros. There's the one for the Valleys into Cardiff (they've been talking about this for a couple of years) and the one for the North East (which they've talked about for the last few weeks, coincidentally in the run up to the election). But his actual statement was 'and of course the Metro proposals we have for the South East, Swansea and the North East'.

Have any of you heard any mention previously from Labour about a Metro for Swansea because I haven't. Now, all of a sudden, with a week to the election he mentions it. Do you think they're finally getting the message about investment ? Do you think it's simply a desperate gamble to try to turn some voters back to their side ? It certainly sounds it to me.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 14:50 - Apr 28 with 1283 viewsCopperJack

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 14:31 - Apr 28 by johnlangy

No problem.

Something else I forgot to mention. During the infrastructure section, when Carwyn was talking about Labour plans for infrastructure spend he talked about their plans for Metros. There's the one for the Valleys into Cardiff (they've been talking about this for a couple of years) and the one for the North East (which they've talked about for the last few weeks, coincidentally in the run up to the election). But his actual statement was 'and of course the Metro proposals we have for the South East, Swansea and the North East'.

Have any of you heard any mention previously from Labour about a Metro for Swansea because I haven't. Now, all of a sudden, with a week to the election he mentions it. Do you think they're finally getting the message about investment ? Do you think it's simply a desperate gamble to try to turn some voters back to their side ? It certainly sounds it to me.


Well, apparently Mike Hedges has looked at this thread and, I know some AMs have received a few emails, so hopefully they're beginning to get the message. Voting them out so they have to give us stuff to get back into office would be a huge step forward. At the moment I'd take it with several thousand grams of salt, probably just a pre-election ploy to win over the voters - like the £6m which they may, or indeed may not, give to Swansea's city centre plans. Also, coincidentally, brought up a fortnight before the election.

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 21:14 - Apr 28 with 1235 viewstrampie

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 13:58 - Apr 28 by nice_to_michu

Pure class again from Trampie


Trampie is trampie and trampie only, you seem to think that all the people that think that Labour are Red Tories must be the same person. lol.
It is a widely held view that Labour are Red Tories if you knew anything about politics you would know that.

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 21:18 - Apr 28 with 1228 viewsacejack3065

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 21:14 - Apr 28 by trampie

Trampie is trampie and trampie only, you seem to think that all the people that think that Labour are Red Tories must be the same person. lol.
It is a widely held view that Labour are Red Tories if you knew anything about politics you would know that.


Are you even old enough to vote in this election?
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 21:42 - Apr 28 with 1221 viewsWingstandwood

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 21:14 - Apr 28 by trampie

Trampie is trampie and trampie only, you seem to think that all the people that think that Labour are Red Tories must be the same person. lol.
It is a widely held view that Labour are Red Tories if you knew anything about politics you would know that.


Well said Trampie! The fact is I have a suspicion that the individuals whom have had a dig at both me and you are?........Indeed frustrated Tories only pretending to be Labour! No doubt p#ssed off because Welsh Labour have muscled into their territory and stolen Tory ideas. The morale of some Tories must be pretty low bearing in mind Welsh Labour has out-Toried them!!!!

Tory-Thatcher-Boy (Google it..... this is unbelievable!) Nicolas Edwards M.P became a leading figure for the campaign for a permanent home for the Welsh National Opera to be in Cardiff during the 1990's. What happens?
The cheeky bast#rds of Welsh Labour Red Tory Party only then went out and stole Tory-Thatcher-Boy's idea and spent over £60 million of assembly money to do so!

Argus!

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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 21:50 - Apr 28 with 1209 viewstrampie

The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 21:42 - Apr 28 by Wingstandwood

Well said Trampie! The fact is I have a suspicion that the individuals whom have had a dig at both me and you are?........Indeed frustrated Tories only pretending to be Labour! No doubt p#ssed off because Welsh Labour have muscled into their territory and stolen Tory ideas. The morale of some Tories must be pretty low bearing in mind Welsh Labour has out-Toried them!!!!

Tory-Thatcher-Boy (Google it..... this is unbelievable!) Nicolas Edwards M.P became a leading figure for the campaign for a permanent home for the Welsh National Opera to be in Cardiff during the 1990's. What happens?
The cheeky bast#rds of Welsh Labour Red Tory Party only then went out and stole Tory-Thatcher-Boy's idea and spent over £60 million of assembly money to do so!


Yes I agree Wingstandwood.

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