| Ken Livingstone 14:02 - Apr 28 with 21444 views | Darran |
C*nt,end of.
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| Ken Livingstone on 19:29 - Apr 30 with 1662 views | blueytheblue |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:12 - Apr 30 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Comical & crass
F@ck my eyes I've seen it all now . |
You probably have.
The neo-Nazis on the far right have always been comical because when it comes to it, they turn and run when confronted... arguments easily disproven. Their arguments are usually pretty crass, shot down with logic. |  |
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| Ken Livingstone on 19:40 - Apr 30 with 1649 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:29 - Apr 30 by blueytheblue |
You probably have.
The neo-Nazis on the far right have always been comical because when it comes to it, they turn and run when confronted... arguments easily disproven. Their arguments are usually pretty crass, shot down with logic. |
I don't find this very comical & crass
Neither the family's of the dead do.
You f@cking idiot
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/anders-breivik-neo-nazi-who-7795954 |  |
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| Ken Livingstone on 19:46 - Apr 30 with 1641 views | acejack3065 |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:26 - Apr 30 by blueytheblue |
Interesting; I never mentioned criticism of Israel, which is valid.
I referred to anti-semitism, a different thing.
The fact remains, you can be anti-semitic and criticise Israel. You can be non anti-semitic and criticise Israel. It beggers belief that no person who criticises Israel could be anti-semitic, so it's therefore a truism that some who criticise Israel are anti-semitic and do so out of anti-semitism. |
That's never been disputed and I said as much a few pages previous. However in your posts it's becoming apparent that you are finding it increasingly difficult to separate the left and anti semitism even though the two aren't as synonymous as you're alluding to.
That attitude isn't helpful. |  | | |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:52 - Apr 30 with 1636 views | blueytheblue |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:46 - Apr 30 by acejack3065 |
That's never been disputed and I said as much a few pages previous. However in your posts it's becoming apparent that you are finding it increasingly difficult to separate the left and anti semitism even though the two aren't as synonymous as you're alluding to.
That attitude isn't helpful. |
Nope, I've referred to far left and hard left... as in factions within the generalisation of left. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 19:54 - Apr 30 with 1631 views | blueytheblue |
Read the post.
It's pretty clear a whackjob with a gun lies well outside the boundaries of normal society... still, nice try at point scoring using deaths. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 19:58 - Apr 30 with 1611 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:54 - Apr 30 by blueytheblue |
Read the post.
It's pretty clear a whackjob with a gun lies well outside the boundaries of normal society... still, nice try at point scoring using deaths. |
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| Ken Livingstone on 19:59 - Apr 30 with 1611 views | blueytheblue |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:58 - Apr 30 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Crass & comical 👠|
Arguments of far right devotees are indeed crass and comical. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 19:59 - Apr 30 with 1611 views | acejack3065 |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:52 - Apr 30 by blueytheblue |
Nope, I've referred to far left and hard left... as in factions within the generalisation of left. |
The point still stands. I've met one or two vile individuals on the left who no doubt meet the criteria we've discussed about here. I also know plenty of splitters and Trots who are more than capable of making valid criticisms against the state of Israel without becoming anti Semitic in any way at all. | | | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 20:06 - Apr 30 with 1603 views | blueytheblue |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:59 - Apr 30 by acejack3065 |
The point still stands. I've met one or two vile individuals on the left who no doubt meet the criteria we've discussed about here. I also know plenty of splitters and Trots who are more than capable of making valid criticisms against the state of Israel without becoming anti Semitic in any way at all. |
Which was my point. Criticism of Israel is fine. There are people who criticised because they are anti-semitic.
My point has been about those who are anti-semitic - that includes those using anti-semitic tropes as casual anti-semitism. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 20:25 - Apr 30 with 1594 views | Lohengrin |
I find the term "far right" that's being bandied about an interesting one. I'd be interested in discovering what the various posters mean when they use it? |  |
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| Ken Livingstone on 05:13 - May 1 with 1523 views | Humpty |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:26 - Apr 30 by blueytheblue |
Interesting; I never mentioned criticism of Israel, which is valid.
I referred to anti-semitism, a different thing.
The fact remains, you can be anti-semitic and criticise Israel. You can be non anti-semitic and criticise Israel. It beggers belief that no person who criticises Israel could be anti-semitic, so it's therefore a truism that some who criticise Israel are anti-semitic and do so out of anti-semitism. |
I'm a vocal critic of the Israeli state as it is now Bluey.
I think it's a vile little racist state and I think it's treatment of the Palestinians under it's control is abhorrent.
I also speak out when racist oafs on here abuse anyone, including Jews and Muslims.
Am I an antisemite? I'd love to know. |  | | |
| Ken Livingstone on 09:09 - May 1 with 1498 views | blueytheblue |
| Ken Livingstone on 05:13 - May 1 by Humpty |
I'm a vocal critic of the Israeli state as it is now Bluey.
I think it's a vile little racist state and I think it's treatment of the Palestinians under it's control is abhorrent.
I also speak out when racist oafs on here abuse anyone, including Jews and Muslims.
Am I an antisemite? I'd love to know. |
I wouldn't say you were without evidence to the contrary. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 17:24 - May 1 with 1446 views | waynekerr55 |
| Ken Livingstone on 20:25 - Apr 30 by Lohengrin |
I find the term "far right" that's being bandied about an interesting one. I'd be interested in discovering what the various posters mean when they use it? |
Or indeed the term 'anti semetic'
Wasn't this term Bourne out of discrimination of people from a range of faiths within a region, not just those of Jewish descent? |  |
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| Ken Livingstone on 22:26 - May 1 with 1412 views | Kerouac |
Re: Ken Livingstone's potential ignorance of history (I'm being kind there as it is difficult to believe a man of his age, with his interest in International Politics, doesn't know all about Hitler's rise to power)
There are many people who would do well to brush up on their history before commenting on the state of Israel and passing judgement; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots
If you are curious, do read and take it all in. |  |
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| Ken Livingstone on 22:39 - May 1 with 1404 views | blueytheblue |
| Ken Livingstone on 17:24 - May 1 by waynekerr55 |
Or indeed the term 'anti semetic'
Wasn't this term Bourne out of discrimination of people from a range of faiths within a region, not just those of Jewish descent? |
Word was first coined by Wilhelm Marr. For "semite" read "Jew". It's splitting hairs with regards to the definition of semite, but the term has always almost exclusively been used for racism against Jews; mostly because Jews have burdened the brunt of it. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 05:05 - May 2 with 1358 views | Humpty |
Here's some quotes Kerouac. From the people who were actually responsible for the creation of Israel.
In fairness to them, they were much more honest that most supporters of Israel today. Who scream "Antisemite!" at anyone who criticizes Israel. Thus cheapening the word.
You will no doubt tell me that these quotes are actually wrong, or taken out of context or something. You'll still be wrong.
Here they are.
http://monabaker.com/quotes.htm | | | |
| Ken Livingstone on 05:16 - May 2 with 1357 views | Lohengrin |
This in remembrance of Sergeant Clifford Martin and Sergeant Mervyn Paice who stand post for the 214 young British soldiers murdered between November 1947 and June 1948 whose sacrifice is now forgotten. An inconvenient truth.
In grateful memory too of my grandfather, two of his brothers from the 6th Airborne Division and the other old boys from The Legion no longer with us who's experience of Palestine was first-hand and immediate.
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| Ken Livingstone on 07:42 - May 2 with 1346 views | Edmundo |
| Ken Livingstone on 15:55 - Apr 28 by Darran |
Freedom of speech?
The blokes a c*nt and he shouldn't be suspended from the Labour Party he should be suspended from a rope. |
Leave him there in the Labour party, he's doing a fine job of solidifying the Labour vote everywhereðŸ‘
He has some rather sick notions about Hitler/The Jews. I think putting him into any position of responsibility where his rants are taken seriously reflects badly on the Labour parties decision making right now. |  |
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| Ken Livingstone on 08:23 - May 2 with 1336 views | waynekerr55 |
| Ken Livingstone on 22:39 - May 1 by blueytheblue |
Word was first coined by Wilhelm Marr. For "semite" read "Jew". It's splitting hairs with regards to the definition of semite, but the term has always almost exclusively been used for racism against Jews; mostly because Jews have burdened the brunt of it. |
I know the term is widely recognised as anti Jewish, but I remember talking to a former colleague who was of Jewish heritage saying the term started in relation to an area, not a specific culture. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 09:19 - May 2 with 1325 views | Kerouac |
| Ken Livingstone on 05:05 - May 2 by Humpty |
Here's some quotes Kerouac. From the people who were actually responsible for the creation of Israel.
In fairness to them, they were much more honest that most supporters of Israel today. Who scream "Antisemite!" at anyone who criticizes Israel. Thus cheapening the word.
You will no doubt tell me that these quotes are actually wrong, or taken out of context or something. You'll still be wrong.
Here they are.
http://monabaker.com/quotes.htm |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Safed_riots | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 09:32 - May 2 with 1318 views | Lohengrin |
| Ken Livingstone on 08:23 - May 2 by waynekerr55 |
I know the term is widely recognised as anti Jewish, but I remember talking to a former colleague who was of Jewish heritage saying the term started in relation to an area, not a specific culture. |
It has always been my understanding that the term "Semitic" applied to a group of languages rather than any race of people.
Also that Yiddish, the traditional language of central and eastern European Jewry, does not belong to the Semitic aggroup. Although I'll happily stand corrected if Bluey states otherwise? | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 10:10 - May 2 with 1300 views | blueytheblue |
| Ken Livingstone on 09:32 - May 2 by Lohengrin |
It has always been my understanding that the term "Semitic" applied to a group of languages rather than any race of people.
Also that Yiddish, the traditional language of central and eastern European Jewry, does not belong to the Semitic aggroup. Although I'll happily stand corrected if Bluey states otherwise? |
Indeed, "Semitic" does apply to a group of languages. Words do get appropriated over time - I mean "gay" used to refer to "happy".
AFAIK, Yiddish originated with the Ashkenazi Jews in Central Europe, integrating Germanic, French words into a Jewish format. So it's to Hebrew what Cockney is to English. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 10:19 - May 2 with 1294 views | blueytheblue |
| Ken Livingstone on 05:05 - May 2 by Humpty |
Here's some quotes Kerouac. From the people who were actually responsible for the creation of Israel.
In fairness to them, they were much more honest that most supporters of Israel today. Who scream "Antisemite!" at anyone who criticizes Israel. Thus cheapening the word.
You will no doubt tell me that these quotes are actually wrong, or taken out of context or something. You'll still be wrong.
Here they are.
http://monabaker.com/quotes.htm |
Ah, Mona Baker. No interest in reading quotes she provides, most already out there anyway. it's not like her world viewpoint is objective or anything. There are more than enough comments from yer Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollah et al. I'd quote those too but a tit for tat quote war is dull. Plus you'd say they were taken out of context or actually wrong of something. | |
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