| Ken Livingstone 14:02 - Apr 28 with 21446 views | Darran |
C*nt,end of.
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| Ken Livingstone on 12:01 - May 3 with 1222 views | Kerouac |
| Ken Livingstone on 06:52 - May 3 by Humpty |
I'm not interested with where the quotes came from Bluey. I'm interested whether they're true or not.
And after looking into about half of them I got bored and realised they are all true. Nobody disputes what was said. Many pathetic justifications are made for ethnic cleansing and unambiguous racism.
Nobody is saying those quotes are not true. Just trying to justify them.
If you have any evidence that these quotes are not true, please provide it.
The world view of Mona Baker has f*ck all to do with this. And you know it. Are these quotes true Bluey?
Like this one.
There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that
Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.
And my particular favourite. If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel This chap thinks the death of ten thousansd Jewish children would be worth anything that would help his political aims. Not a view I share. Bluey? He'll complain about what website I found it on.
We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!
Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories
That's from Netanyahu. In 1989. Man who would become Prime minister of Israel.
Bluey, it doesn't matter where I got my information from. It's true and it's ugly.
Zionism is an ugly, racist, succesful attempt to steal other peoples land.
Am I now an antisemite? [Post edited 3 May 2016 7:03]
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The Jews' homeland is Israel.
They were driven out of there in large numbers firstly by the Romans and later by local Arabs.
Not all of the Jews left though and Israel (particularly Jerusalem) has been continually inhabited by Jewish people.....although an abused minority under their Islamic overlords
The British sought to undermine the Ottoman empire (the Turks) and supported Arab nationalism to achieve the break up of the Ottoman empire.
This was successful and after the First World War Britain found itself with an interest in modern Iraq (centred around oil) and British Palestine.
Arab Muslims regularly attacked Jews in British Palestine before the restoration of Israel.
This sort of violence against Jews had beeen going on for a 1000+ years.
They did it because Mohammed had done it and because of what he had written about Jews in his book.
They did it because they hate Jews.
The question was what would follow British governance of British Palestine.
The Palestinian Arab leader 'The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem' wanted to become part of a "greater Syria" and envisaged Jordan and the Lebanon forming part of the same state.
By this time some Jews who called themselves 'Zionists' were arguing that the Jews were suffering and treated as second class citizens in Russia, Eastern Europe, Germany/Central Europe, Turkey and all of the other Arab states.
They argued that it was time the Jewish people returned to their homeland. They argued that the restoration of Israel was the only way to achieve security for their fellow Jews.
The League of Nations settled the issue in 1922 giving Great Britain the mandate for Palestine for the purpose of making a Jewish national home there.
The British did a deal with neighbouring Arab nationalists.....they would support rising Jewish immigration into Palestine if we supported the founding of independent Arab states.
This obviously upset the majority Palestinian Arabs who began to increase their attacks on the local Jews....chopping up women and children in some instances. Attacking temples and burning Jewish religious books.
The combination of the following factors drove accelerated Jewish immigration into Palestine between 1921-1941;
1) The treatment of the Jews living in British Palestine
2) The treatment of Jews across the middle east. (they began to pour in from Turkey and Iraq who couldn't kick them out fast enough. Neighbouring Syria's Jews were a scapegoat for the Arabs defeat in the Franco-Syrian war and so many relocated to Palestine...they also came from Iran, the Yemen and others.)
3) The League of Nations British mandate of 1922
4) The rising hostility towards Jews in Central and Eastern Europe.
5) The Communists coming to power in Russia
6) The Nazi party's ascent to power in 1930s Germany
In particular the flight of German Jews to Palestine saved thousands and thousands of lives....given that Germany murdered 6 million Jews in cold blood during WWII.
One of the things that defines a Jew hater....or 'anti-semite' if you will....is the desire to hold them to higher standards than you would hold anyone else.
There is a lot of that in the Muslim world, the British Labour party, the left in general and the far right.
I am of the left but I support Israel and it's right to exist.
It was not, as some would have it, "a bad idea to begin with"....it was entirely necessary.
Open question for all.
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| Ken Livingstone on 13:01 - May 3 with 1178 views | Kerouac |
| Ken Livingstone on 08:29 - May 3 by sherpajacob |
How does that make him anti Semitic?
He is stating facts from history. |
Have you ever read Mein Kampf?
He didn't go "mad" in 1941.
Ever read Mein Kampf (published July 18th, 1925)?
http://www.mosaisk.com/auschwitz/Adolf-Hitler-about-the-Jews.php
https://whistlinginthewind.org/2014/02/22/reading-mein-kampf/
Some History;
"The Nazi genocide and ethnic cleansing efforts did not begin as a specific plan to gas Jews and others in concentration camps, but rather evolved over time, beginning with systematic persecution aimed in part at encouraging Jewish emigration from Germany to other countries. It grew from spontaneous murders to planned massacres of Jewish communities, to the establishment of an industrial apparatus for the efficient, wholesale slaughter of a people.
In recognition of the evolving nature of the genocide, the date most frequently associated with the start of the Holocaust is January 30, 1933: This is when Adolf Hitler was appointed German chancellor, setting in motion what would become the Nazi genocide against the Jews. The end of the Holocaust is usually thought to be May 8, 1945, or VE (Victory in Europe) Day, when the Allies formally accepted Germany’s unconditional surrender, ending World War II on the Continent, although fighting continued in the Far East.
When does persecution become genocide?
A major turning point in Nazi policy toward Jews was the coordinated attacks by the Sturmabteilung (or SA, the original paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party) against Jews and Jewish institutions and businesses throughout Germany and Austria on November 9-10, 1938 — an event known as Kristallnacht or the Night of the Broken Glass, due to the large amount of shattered windows at Jewish properties in its aftermath. At least 91 Jews were killed in the violence, and 30,000 were arrested and interned in concentration camps (but not extermination camps). Over 900 synagogues and 7,000 Jewish businesses were severely damaged or destroyed.
Kristallnacht marked the transition of the Nazi policy vis-a-vis Jews from social ostracism, abrogation of legal rights and economic boycotts, to organized physical violence including murder. As such, some consider the November ‘38 pogrom as marking the actual beginning of the Holocaust — the date when anti-Jewish persecution in Germany began moving toward genocide.
Mass killings of Jews became commonplace following the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. Death squads called Einsatzgruppen, formed at the order of Reinhard Heydrich, director of the Reich Main Security Office at the time, were tasked with murdering Jewish civilians and Communist Party officials with the help of local citizens. Historians estimate that between June 1941 and May 1943, these roaming death squads killed over 1 million Jews.
Industrial-scale murder of Jews, known as the Final Solution, was approved by the senior Nazi leadership on January 20, 1942 at the Wannsee Conference, held just outside Berlin. At the meeting, called by Heydrich, he presented the plan to transport Jews from Eastern and Western Europe to extermination camps located in Poland.
While the fall of the Nazi regime and its surrender on May 8, 1945 is usually the date given as the end of the Holocaust — it did not mark the end of organized killings of Jews in Europe. Hundreds of Jews were killed across Poland by Polish locals after the war had ended. In the most of infamous of these events, on July 4, 1946, over 40 Jews were killed in the Polish city of Kielce, in a massacre incited by Polish communist authorities with elements among the local population participating."
How on earth could anyone describe Hitler as a "supporter of Zionism"?
"Zionism : is a nationalist and political movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel (roughly corresponding to Palestine, Canaan or the Holy Land). Zionism emerged in the late 19th century in central and eastern Europe as a national revival movement, in reaction to anti-Semitic and exclusionary nationalist movements in Europe. Soon after this most leaders of the movement associated the main goal with creating the desired state in Palestine, then an area controlled by the Ottoman Empire.
Until 1948, the primary goals of Zionism were the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel, ingathering of the exiles, and liberation of Jews from the antisemitic discrimination and persecution that was experienced by their diaspora. Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism continues primarily to advocate on behalf of Israel and address threats to its continued existence and security." | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 13:23 - May 3 with 1146 views | Lohengrin |
"Open question for all.
Pre-Israel, if you were in their shoes, would you have not sought to do the same? "
I think you're going to have to define who "they" are first of all, Kerouac. Are the Jews a race or a religion in your view? For the sake of argument would you regard a Jew from 1890s Odessa and one from let's say Bethel or Jericho as being kindred? To all intents and purposes culturally and ethnically monovular from the Black Sea to the Dead Sea?
There's quite a lot hinging on your answer to that. If you're asking were eastern European Jewry right to want to flee persecution then the answer is naturally yes, of course; but if you're saying that they had the "Right" to dispossess an ancient community then I'd imagine that's where many would demur. [Post edited 3 May 2016 14:12]
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| Ken Livingstone on 14:14 - May 3 with 1108 views | Kerouac |
| Ken Livingstone on 13:23 - May 3 by Lohengrin |
"Open question for all.
Pre-Israel, if you were in their shoes, would you have not sought to do the same? "
I think you're going to have to define who "they" are first of all, Kerouac. Are the Jews a race or a religion in your view? For the sake of argument would you regard a Jew from 1890s Odessa and one from let's say Bethel or Jericho as being kindred? To all intents and purposes culturally and ethnically monovular from the Black Sea to the Dead Sea?
There's quite a lot hinging on your answer to that. If you're asking were eastern European Jewry right to want to flee persecution then the answer is naturally yes, of course; but if you're saying that they had the "Right" to dispossess an ancient community then I'd imagine that's where many would demur. [Post edited 3 May 2016 14:12]
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They are definitely a religion.
There is a high degree of genetic similarities (as there aren't many converts....they don't force people to convert you see....and traditions of both patrilineality and matrilineality).
I prefer to call them "a people", with shared cultural and religious traditions. They also have their own language.
(Tramp should support their cause  )
Every people has a right to exist, they were the only people dispersed across the earth in that manner....chased off their land. They went back and took what was theirs. Fought for their scrap of land and I am fine with that.
It didn't have to descend into violence. It was the Arabs attacking the Jews in the early days....as they had done with impunity for centuries.
It's interesting isn't it that a little cult started in south west Arabia spreads itself across the world using violence and unspeakable cruelty, but they can't stand that the Jews came and took their bit of land back.
They don't like that, portion of them even still hanker after Andalucia.
Where are the tears and the outrage for the millions of Hindus murdered by, largely Arabs....when are they going to hand Pakistan back?
What about all the Greek Orthodox Christians kicked out of Turkey?
What about various African tribes?
There were 500,000 Palestinian Arabs originally. The population of Cardiff.
The land was poor, barren.
Their own leader wanted to be part of a Greater Syria which incorporated Jordan and Lebanon.
It didn't have to be like this.
They could have migrated over the border to Jordan or Syria.
They could have accepted the Israeli state and worked to secure their rights within it as a minority.
They could have accepted a 2 state solution.
It is like this because the Arab world is so very bitter that the worm has turned.
Fukk 'em. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 14:59 - May 3 with 1086 views | Kerouac |
| Ken Livingstone on 22:25 - May 2 by trampie |
Haven't got the foggiest idea what that post of yours is all about, can you just give a straight answer ???
What did Ken say that was anti-Semitic ?
As regards you talking about the Welsh being anti-Semitic, what about the Jews - do they like the Welsh ?, do they all support Welsh devolution, Welsh independence and the Welsh language ?, things cut both ways don't they. |
"things cut both ways don't they."
Yes they do Tramp......and remind me, what have the Muslim Palestinian Arabs ever done for Wales?
Seems to me that we have more in common with the Jews....but by your own logic perhaps we should both keep our noses out as should Ken Livingstone, Ken Loach, Corbyn, McDonnell and their crew....THAT IS UNLESS WE ARE GOING TO HOLD THE MUSLIM ARABS IN THE REGION TO THE SAME HIGH STANDARDS WE OBVIOUSLY EXPECT FROM ISRAEL. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 15:24 - May 3 with 1077 views | Kerouac |
| Ken Livingstone on 08:20 - May 3 by trampie |
Hamburg to Haifa line breaking the British blockade, ship or ships apparently flying both the St of David and the Nazi flag.
Zionists wanted their own state and Hitler's Nazi's were apparently happy to support that policy at one point in time against British interest, both lots went on to fight and kill our people, one lot in the second world war and the other lot in terrorist attacks against the British mandate of Palestine.
Noting the Zionists and Hitlers Nazi's had a common interest at one point of time is somehow anti-Semitic is it ?
So historical things that happen we cant mention them anymore, is that the case ?, because it certainly is beginning to look that way.
What has Ken said that is anti-Semitic ? |
Re: the Jews disatisfaction at our failure to keep our promises....
10-15 years earlier;
http://www.mideastweb.org/mandate.htm
Those Nazi's, they were all about helping the Jews weren't they.....Christ al-fukking-mighty!
The Zionists made a deal with the Nazi party whereby the Germans would receive payment for the safe delivery of German Jews to Palestine.
They were saving the lives of their fellow Jews from monsters.....Hitler didn't approve of this policy at first and had outlined exactly what he would like to do to Jews in Mein Kampf in 1925.
By the way, I am mentioning "historical things that happen", it's just when you are talking about a period of history where 6 million Jews were murdered you had bloody well better get your facts straight.
Regarding Ken, his anti-semitism and the tolerance of these attitudes by the Labour party.
Bye-bye Ken!
Bye-bye Labour party! | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 15:31 - May 3 with 1074 views | Lohengrin |
"Seems to me that we have more in common with the Jews"
There you go, you've just answered your own question. I cannot second-guess what Trampie's response would have been but I'd say that many would regard Israelis in many ways as transplanted Europeans. They expect more of them because they are more like ourselves. It's a form of racialism if you like, an instinctive one.
I used to know an old boy who had been at Belsen a day or so after the camp had been taken. "Bloody awful!" was his verdict but what made it far worse, at least in his estimation, was the fact that the Germans are so very much like ourselves. The cruelty of it all baffled him.
I feel sure there is a lot of the same sense of disappointment, for want of a better adjective, at play when we see the occupied territories being flailed. I'm certain of it. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 17:35 - May 3 with 1033 views | blueytheblue |
Apologies, Humpty, had a kitten needing emergency surgery.
Anyway, Mona Barkers wourld view has everything to do with it. Her hatred of Israel has led her on campaigns agisnt Israeli scientists irrespective of their world views...
But anyway. From the page you linked to...
1. "We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
Baker even gives a citation for the quote. Sadly... it was a misqoute.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion
We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption – proven throughout all our activity in the Land – that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs.
Letter to his son Amos (5 October 1937), as quoted in Teveth, Shabtai, Ben Gurion: The Burning Ground; and Karsh, Efraim (2000), Fabricating Israeli History: The 'New Historians'; this has been extensively misquoted as "[We] must expel Arabs and take their places" after appearing in this form in Morris, Benny (1987), The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947—1949, Cambridge University Press, p. 25.
So Baker provided a quote from a source that had misquoted in the first instance.
2. "There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
They key to that quote is to read the quote. "They see but one thing"... quoting from the perspective of an Arab. Baker and others like to see that as some kind of groundbreaking admission...
3. I've no love for some of Meir or Dyan's comments. Most of those comments were due to being products of the world environment at the time.
4. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
Source for that was a leaked document to a paper - not been able to find anything that confirms or denies the validity of the leaked document.
5. "[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."
Quoted by Baker with a snarky comment, a quote taken from a newpaper - and not a direct quote. Can't find an accurate source on that one.
6. "[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs"
Actual speech in the Knesset was...
"The children of Israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents."
At no point was "Palestinians" used. The speech was in the context of a terrorist attack that killed some children... Kapeliouk's quote was not accurate. Baker does zero research on that score.
Sadly I have to go out; I don't deny some of the quotes were accurate. I've found numerous from about ten minutes research that weren't.
Baker seems to have gathered her list by looking around, seeing X was printed in an article, online or in a book and thus clearly must be accurate as it matches her world view. She seems to have none no research into the validity of comments. Surprising that, for a scientist whose world is based upon facts and evidence. |  |
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| Ken Livingstone on 18:00 - May 3 with 1022 views | sherpajacob |
| Ken Livingstone on 23:03 - May 2 by trampie |
What did he say that was anti-Semitic ? |
Nothing |  |
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| Ken Livingstone on 18:55 - May 3 with 994 views | blueytheblue |
Apart from the whole bit that anti-semites hate all Jews not just Israeli Jews... meaning hate of Israeli Jews is ok, just not Israeli Arabs et al... | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 19:05 - May 3 with 982 views | sherpajacob |
| Ken Livingstone on 18:55 - May 3 by blueytheblue |
Apart from the whole bit that anti-semites hate all Jews not just Israeli Jews... meaning hate of Israeli Jews is ok, just not Israeli Arabs et al... |
Can you show the specific words he used that say that.
Not doubting you, just I haven't seen them in anything I've read. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 19:16 - May 3 with 968 views | NeathJack |
| Ken Livingstone on 18:55 - May 3 by blueytheblue |
Apart from the whole bit that anti-semites hate all Jews not just Israeli Jews... meaning hate of Israeli Jews is ok, just not Israeli Arabs et al... |
Here's the actual full quote which has a little context:
"Literally I’ve been a member for 47 years I’ve never heard anyone say anything antisemitic. I’ve heard a lot of criticism of Israel. If I was to criticise the South African government as riddled with corruption you wouldn’t say I was racist — you’d say I was being critical of that government.
I think blurring these two things undermines the importance of antisemitism because a real antisemite doesn’t just hate the Jews in Israel, they hate their Jewish neighbours in Golders Green or Stoke Newington, it’s a physical loathing."
The point being made is hating what the Israeli state is doing is not anti-semetic. |  | | |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:19 - May 3 with 965 views | sherpajacob |
Sorry again bluey, which specific words used by livingstone in that full transcript are anti-Semitic? | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 19:20 - May 3 with 963 views | blueytheblue |
Criticism of Israel isn't anti-semitic - or at least not always.
Livingstone specifically refers to Israeli Jews. The Israeli Arabs, Christians et al are ok, just those Jews, right? So you can have a specific race in a specific nation but it's not anti-semitic at all.
He used a crass generalisation... so Israeli scientists working on medical treatments are to be hated too? Are those Jews who protest against their government also to be hated too and it's ok?
Given his previous "concentration camp guard" comments it's odd people even want to give Livingstone the benefit of the doubt. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 19:23 - May 3 with 959 views | NeathJack |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:20 - May 3 by blueytheblue |
Criticism of Israel isn't anti-semitic - or at least not always.
Livingstone specifically refers to Israeli Jews. The Israeli Arabs, Christians et al are ok, just those Jews, right? So you can have a specific race in a specific nation but it's not anti-semitic at all.
He used a crass generalisation... so Israeli scientists working on medical treatments are to be hated too? Are those Jews who protest against their government also to be hated too and it's ok?
Given his previous "concentration camp guard" comments it's odd people even want to give Livingstone the benefit of the doubt. |
He may have used a sledgehammer to crack a nut, so to speak, but it's plainly obvious to even the most blinkered the point he was trying to make, even if. like yourself, they refuse to admit it. | | | |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:27 - May 3 with 954 views | blueytheblue |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:23 - May 3 by NeathJack |
He may have used a sledgehammer to crack a nut, so to speak, but it's plainly obvious to even the most blinkered the point he was trying to make, even if. like yourself, they refuse to admit it. |
It's plainly obvious to even the most blinkered exactly what he meant. When he was defending Naz Shah's comments as not anti-semitic when even Shah herself had apologised for them, that speaks volumes. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 19:40 - May 3 with 940 views | Lohengrin |
"Given his previous "concentration camp guard" comments it's odd people even want to give Livingstone the benefit of the doubt. "
I recall that earlier incident with Livingstone you're talking about. He accused the startled journalist of being a Sonderkommando because he was Jewish and worked for The Mail. An Infantile jibe at Lord Rothermere's short-lived support for The Blackshirts all the way back in 1934. I got the reference immediately but by the horrified look on the journalist's face he didn't have the first idea what the daft bugger was on about. I doubt many would have. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 20:04 - May 3 with 913 views | sherpajacob |
| Ken Livingstone on 19:20 - May 3 by blueytheblue |
Criticism of Israel isn't anti-semitic - or at least not always.
Livingstone specifically refers to Israeli Jews. The Israeli Arabs, Christians et al are ok, just those Jews, right? So you can have a specific race in a specific nation but it's not anti-semitic at all.
He used a crass generalisation... so Israeli scientists working on medical treatments are to be hated too? Are those Jews who protest against their government also to be hated too and it's ok?
Given his previous "concentration camp guard" comments it's odd people even want to give Livingstone the benefit of the doubt. |
Again sorry to go all paxman.
Please quote the specific statement which is anti-Semitic. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 20:05 - May 3 with 908 views | blueytheblue |
| Ken Livingstone on 20:04 - May 3 by sherpajacob |
Again sorry to go all paxman.
Please quote the specific statement which is anti-Semitic. |
Already been answered. You might not like or want to believe the answer, but it's been answered. | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 20:09 - May 3 with 901 views | sherpajacob |
| Ken Livingstone on 20:05 - May 3 by blueytheblue |
Already been answered. You might not like or want to believe the answer, but it's been answered. |
by who and when? | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 20:19 - May 3 with 886 views | Kerouac |
| Ken Livingstone on 20:04 - May 3 by sherpajacob |
Again sorry to go all paxman.
Please quote the specific statement which is anti-Semitic. |
What do you want as proof?
a quote saying "I hate Jews I do!"?
Carry on defending him as you are demonstrating the problem the Labour party has got.
- McDonnell, editor of the 'Morning Star' when it used to print anti-semitic articles and cartoons regularly.
- Corbyn sharing platforms with all kinds of Islamic terrorist supporters and apologists.
- Corbyn's son's dodgy stuff on the internet
- Young Labour female Muslims complaining they can't get selected in seats where there are large Islamic constituencies because the Muslim elders forbid it and have things stitched up with the local Labour party.
- Postal ballot fraud, mostly committed by Labour members who are Muslims
- Naz Shah admitting she wished Israelis could be exiled to the States in the days when she didn't have to watch what she said.
- Ken Livingstone's long history of not just criticising Israel but sticking the knife in regarding what took place in Nazi Germany in our grandfather's generation.
- and his latest "Hitler supported Zionism" in defence of Shah's comments
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| Ken Livingstone on 20:22 - May 3 with 879 views | sherpajacob |
| Ken Livingstone on 18:55 - May 3 by blueytheblue |
Apart from the whole bit that anti-semites hate all Jews not just Israeli Jews... meaning hate of Israeli Jews is ok, just not Israeli Arabs et al... |
" .....meaning hate of Israeli Jews is ok, just not Israeli Arabs et al... "
except he doesn't actually say that, does he? | |
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| Ken Livingstone on 20:25 - May 3 with 870 views | sherpajacob |
| Ken Livingstone on 20:19 - May 3 by Kerouac |
What do you want as proof?
a quote saying "I hate Jews I do!"?
Carry on defending him as you are demonstrating the problem the Labour party has got.
- McDonnell, editor of the 'Morning Star' when it used to print anti-semitic articles and cartoons regularly.
- Corbyn sharing platforms with all kinds of Islamic terrorist supporters and apologists.
- Corbyn's son's dodgy stuff on the internet
- Young Labour female Muslims complaining they can't get selected in seats where there are large Islamic constituencies because the Muslim elders forbid it and have things stitched up with the local Labour party.
- Postal ballot fraud, mostly committed by Labour members who are Muslims
- Naz Shah admitting she wished Israelis could be exiled to the States in the days when she didn't have to watch what she said.
- Ken Livingstone's long history of not just criticising Israel but sticking the knife in regarding what took place in Nazi Germany in our grandfather's generation.
- and his latest "Hitler supported Zionism" in defence of Shah's comments
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so which specific statement is it then?
I'm not defending him, I just want to know what Livinsgtone said in all the full transcripts that is anti semitic.
The independent has quoted everything he said.
somebody please cut and paste the bit that is anti-Semitic. [Post edited 3 May 2016 20:28]
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